New format 'Premodern' if you have not heard about it!!

[covetousrat]

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/pre-modern-a-constructed-format/

http://premodernmagic.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/premodernMTG/

[sco0ter]

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/pre-modern-a-constructed-format/

http://premodernmagic.com/

It's quite similar to the Ancient (https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Ancient) format. Do we need yet another format?

[covetousrat]

It's quite similar to the Ancient (https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Ancient) format. Do we need yet another format?

Never heard of that but Premodern is currently gaining more players. There was a tourney recently around 30 players

[Barook]

Kinda reminds me of the old Extended, except without Duals.

[covetousrat]

Kinda reminds me of the old Extended, except without Duals.

Yeah nostalgic extended era without the duals and FOWs. Lots of viable old type 2 decks as well and extended

[H]

I doubt it is a coincidence that this topic was started right after another was posted in the "Casual section" here:


Hello all,

I don't know if this news has gotten over here yet, but Middle School is a new format that we have been developing for the past 1.5 years or so in our play group and that eternal central has decided to make official!
EC: Middle School (http://www.eternalcentral.com/introducing-middle-school/)

It covers a similar group of sets to premodern, but some slight differences (middle school includes portal, starter, and allows the promo sets like the world championships decks, the PT decks, book promos, and anthologies in addition to the formally standard legal "normal" sets). It is similar to but not identical to old versions of extended, and legacy.

If you have any interest or questions feel free to post here. I know there is going to be a presence at EW this year.

Here are the differences in the two Banned lists, along with the EC format allowing the Portal sets (which I kind of don't agree with them on).

Middle School bans:
Dark Ritual
Imperial Seal
Lion’s Eye Diamond
Tinker
Yawgmoth’s Bargain

Premodern bans:
Earthcraft
Entomb
Force of Will
Frantic Search
Grim Monolith
Mystical Tutor
Necropotence
Show and Tell
Tendrils of Agony
Time Spiral
Worldgorger Dragon

[covetousrat]

I doubt it is a coincidence that this topic was started right after another was posted in the "Casual section" here:



Here are the differences in the two Banned lists, along with the EC format allowing the Portal sets (which I kind of don't agree with them on).

Middle School bans:
Dark Ritual
Imperial Seal
Lion’s Eye Diamond
Tinker
Yawgmoth’s Bargain

Premodern bans:
Earthcraft
Entomb
Force of Will
Frantic Search
Grim Monolith
Mystical Tutor
Necropotence
Show and Tell
Tendrils of Agony
Time Spiral
Worldgorger Dragon

I came across Premodern after reading the article about 'Middle school' from themanadrain.com link. Actually i like them both. However i prefer to have one major format instead of two smaller ones. I have cross posted on reddit.com/mtglegacy and gotten quite a few replies there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/comments/9sxcxy/new_format_premodern_if_you_have_not_heard_about/

In the end i do not mind either Premodern or Middle School. Was hoping it to garner more players as Vintage and Legacy has gotten very stale.

[H]

In the end i do not mind either Premodern or Middle School. Was hoping it to garner more players as Vintage and Legacy has gotten very stale.

My apologizes, didn't mean to have my post seem accusatory. Just letting people know that there are "competing" ideas for formats of this nature, is all I was trying to do. Frankly, I like EC's more, mainly because Force is legal, even if I don't like that the Portal sets are legal. Plus, Necropotence!

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I'm making a new format called "Kitchen table" where everything is legal and everyone shows up with two decks that can only share basic lands and before each event players vote out the decks they don't like. Also spending more than 10 bucks on a card is frowned upon you tryhard.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Meh... All this stuff reminds me of Tiny Leaders and Frontier. Old School is unique because it's players are crazy and like having a sandbox with a bouncer at the entrance checking wallets.

[H]

Meh... All this stuff reminds me of Tiny Leaders and Frontier. Old School is unique because it's players are crazy and like having a sandbox with a bouncer at the entrance checking wallets.

Well, the biggest difference of course is the question of, "who wants this?"

So, where Tiny Leaders and Frontier seem to offer little of what people generally want, the "nostalgia formats" seem to offer something that straight casual and current competitive formats do not.

[MorphBerlin]

I think this format has a chance to strive because of the nostalgia factor. But I really wonder how long a closed format can really be interesting.

[H]

I think this format has a chance to strive because of the nostalgia factor. But I really wonder how long a closed format can really be interesting.

Well, Old School is as closed as can be, but people still seem to enjoy it. I think the Nostalgia factor, combined with the "relative" unpredictable nature of the formats as they are somewhat high variance, means that it probably has a good bit of replay value. Not only that, but clever use of the Banned list can really shake the meta-game up without necessarily breaking the format in doing so.

[Ace/Homebrew]

I really wonder how long a closed format can really be interesting.
This.

Meta-shifting through ban-list management has proven unpopular (see Modern from conception through Eldrazi).

[MorphBerlin]

Well, Old School is as closed as can be, but people still seem to enjoy it. I think the Nostalgia factor, combined with the "relative" unpredictable nature of the formats as they are somewhat high variance, means that it probably has a good bit of replay value. Not only that, but clever use of the Banned list can really shake the meta-game up without necessarily breaking the format in doing so.

I know that Old School is popular right now but the question is will it also be in 1, 2 or 5 years? I personaly doubt that but time will tell. I personaly have not played it so take that opinion is mainly gut feeling. You have to remember that the nostalgia facot in 93/94 is insanly high. I mean for msot people those are the cooles card in magic. I am not sure it will be the same for the rest of premodern sets.

There is not much ban management in 93/94 right? I could see it for premodern though.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I'm making a new format called "Percentage" it's an exclusive format for only the most skilled players where only cards that cost over $100 are allowed. Players end up with shitty decks using niche staples off the reserve list and moxen. The appeal is whatever people see in 93/94.

[H]

I know that Old School is popular right now but the question is will it also be in 1, 2 or 5 years? I personaly doubt that but time will tell. I personaly have not played it so take that opinion is mainly gut feeling. You have to remember that the nostalgia facot in 93/94 is insanly high. I mean for msot people those are the cooles card in magic. I am not sure it will be the same for the rest of premodern sets.

There is not much ban management in 93/94 right? I could see it for premodern though.

I don't know. Maybe? Somewhat? Probably? I mean we can't really tell. 5 years ago did we think anyone would still be playing Vintage? Maybe. But they still do.

I think there are a number of people that started Magic too late to really own Power, so Old School is largely off the table, but did play Extended in the old days. How numerous are those people? I have no idea.


I'm making a new format called "Percentage" it's an exclusive format for only the most skilled players where only cards that cost over $100 are allowed. Players end up with shitty decks using niche staples off the reserve list and moxen. The appeal is whatever people see in 93/94.

I like it. But only if we play in super-upscale locations, wearing tuxedos.

[Phoenix Ignition]

But I really wonder how long a closed format can really be interesting.

This is a great point but honestly if it doesn't grow big enough to become sanctioned I'll probably never have the chance to play it in person. That's the threshold you have to hit.

[bruizar]

format fragmentation maeks the community fall apart.

[Lemnear]

I know that Old School is popular right now but the question is will it also be in 1, 2 or 5 years? I personaly doubt that but time will tell.

The format is the most stupid one in MTG history simply because it's a solved one without any chance for a new card influx or metagame change other than those resulting by hypothetical bannings. It's a pure nostalia trip for people with too much money,

[niv]

I have to say, Premodern is actually pretty fun. I know a lot of folks don't like the notion of a 'closed format', but it's worth trying out, as most of the cards not reserved are pretty cheap and the banlist makes the format feel rather fresh compared to legacy (no FoW and BS is really something...). Certainly worth a shot if you're looking for something a little different.

[Humphrey]

what about the premature format, where the game ends after 5 turns?

[non-inflammable]

i want a format where you can only play one artist but relentless rats, rat colony and shadowborn apostle are the only banned cards,
while basic lands can be from any artist...

i've never researched how feasible this format is, but considering how often stuff gets printed or reprinted, it's possible to get new "art" at any time.
maybe research which artists are still doing magic cards to make a deck?

[Mr Miagi]

You should give premodern a try, it's a nice refreshing casual format. Nice looking and full of beautiful old powerhouses. Ban list is pretty reasonable too. I hope to see some sidevents at major tournaments :wink:

[H]

i want a format where you can only play one artist but relentless rats, rat colony and shadowborn apostle are the only banned cards,
while basic lands can be from any artist...

i've never researched how feasible this format is, but considering how often stuff gets printed or reprinted, it's possible to get new "art" at any time.
maybe research which artists are still doing magic cards to make a deck?

There is already a format, Vintage Artist Constructed, but in that format it includes Basic and Non Basic Lands needing to also be the same artist.

[non-inflammable]

There is already a format, Vintage Artist Constructed, but in that format it includes Basic and Non Basic Lands needing to also be the same artist.

hot damn! i've been wanting this for at least a decade. gotta do some research to find those lands!

[mistercakes]

There is already a format, Vintage Artist Constructed, but in that format it includes Basic and Non Basic Lands needing to also be the same artist.

I think theres some unglued cards that hate on artists.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I have an idea for a new format: It's basically 93/94 but you can keep the cards in the binder and people skip the step of playing and just vote on whose collection is the least accessible.

[merfolkotpt]

I have a new idea for a format, it is where you see other people having fun, and then you complain about it.:smile:

In all honesty, I don't like old school, but part of that is because my nostalgia kicks in around the pre-modern/middle school era. The formats seem fun, pretty cheap, and worth my time. If it doesn't seem like your thing, by all means, play legacy, or standard, or pauper or modern.

[H]

I have an idea for a new format: It's basically 93/94 but you can keep the cards in the binder and people skip the step of playing and just vote on whose collection is the least accessible.

I like this one too, because I don't have time to play much any more, so I think I can make a good run at a top 8 here.


I have a new idea for a format, it is where you see other people having fun, and then you complain about it.:smile:

So, we call this format MTGTheSource.com, right? :wink:

[Phoenix Ignition]

I have a new idea for a format, it is where you see other people having fun, and then you complain about it.:smile:


So Modern?

[matunos]

Instead of another almost-but-not-exactly eternal format with an arbitrary cutoff point that's almost-but-not-exactly Modern's, I propose a format I like to call "Unreserved": it's Legacy minus any of the cards on the Reserved List.

(I don't claim this as a unique invention of mine, surely this has already been thought of by others.)

[covetousrat]

This is probably my favorite format now ahead of Vintage/ Legacy. Feels so different and interactive. Most of all its nostalgic and cheap format.

[Lord Seth]

It seems a bit odd for a format called "Premodern" to skip over the earliest sets (it starts at 4th Edition/Ice Age), but maybe it's to skip over the really expensive stuff.

Some of the bans on this don't make sense to me, though. Without Progenitus, Emrakul, Griselbrand, and Omniscience in the format, why is Show and Tell banned? Also, why is Brainstorm banned? While I'm of the opinion Legacy would be getter off without it, the "cantrip cartel" isn't as strong as in this format (no Ponder or Preordain), and while the fetchland+Brainstorm combo is still around, it's weakened due to the lack of fetchable dual lands, plus the fact you only get 5 fetchlands.

What's the combo that got Flash banned? I know Flash-Hulk is crazy, but Protean Hulk isn't legal. Is there an older combo with it I'm unaware of?

[covetousrat]

It seems a bit odd for a format called "Premodern" to skip over the earliest sets (it starts at 4th Edition/Ice Age), but maybe it's to skip over the really expensive stuff.

Some of the bans on this don't make sense to me, though. Without Progenitus, Emrakul, Griselbrand, and Omniscience in the format, why is Show and Tell banned? Also, why is Brainstorm banned? While I'm of the opinion Legacy would be getter off without it, the "cantrip cartel" isn't as strong as in this format (no Ponder or Preordain), and while the fetchland+Brainstorm combo is still around, it's weakened due to the lack of fetchable dual lands, plus the fact you only get 5 fetchlands.

What's the combo that got Flash banned? I know Flash-Hulk is crazy, but Protean Hulk isn't legal. Is there an older combo with it I'm unaware of?

Flash + Academy Rector + Bargain

[H]

It seems a bit odd for a format called "Premodern" to skip over the earliest sets (it starts at 4th Edition/Ice Age), but maybe it's to skip over the really expensive stuff.

It's not just that, it's largely made to "simulate" what was once Extended. Which, really, it's just a sort of unified Extended, where nothing actually rotated out.

[ahg113]

I like it. But only if we play in super-upscale locations, wearing tuxedos.

Question about the tuxedo, do they have to bespoke, or can they be off the rack?

[H]

Question about the tuxedo, do they have to bespoke, or can they be off the rack?

Depends. Do you have Alpha/Beta power?

[Ephemeron]

Question about the tuxedo, do they have to bespoke, or can they be off the rack?

If you have to ask, you probably didn't get the super secret invite in the first place.

[meffeo]

Built B/G Rock because of Spiritmonger, Terravore, and Pernicious Deed. Sweet af.

[Mr Miagi]

I already built all decks from their page (and more), loving it :smile: Will post some pics in Pimp thread when i get the time.

[covetousrat]

European Premodern Championship with 43 players!! 7 Different archtypes in top 8. Premodern is growing extremely fast from each event.

http://premodernmagic.com/blog/the-european-championships-2018/?fbclid=IwAR2tNVtybLUeULR8b6JHxUgWrouPH03R12oLWcjWoZaz-4FqNQS1Nf9F6qQ

[slayjay]

A short report of mine of the first german pre modern championship. Enjoy!

http://premodernmagic.com/blog/turbo-oathing-the-german-premodern-championship/