Modern Horizons Spoilers

[kinda]

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/morophontheboundless.jpg

It's no Anuba Grunt, but it works with Didgeridoo.

Yes and Preeminent captain :cool:.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

That combos with fist of suns, right? Make the cost equal to WUBRG and then reduce it by WUBRG to 0?

[BenBleiweiss]

That combos with fist of suns, right? Make the cost equal to WUBRG and then reduce it by WUBRG to 0?

Yes, this works.

[rufus]

That combos with fist of suns, right? Make the cost equal to WUBRG and then reduce it by WUBRG to 0?

Bringer tribal incoming.

[mistercakes]

hope the red pitch isn't another act of treason or another attack phase.

[rufus]

hope the red pitch isn't another act of treason or another attack phase.

Considering the theme is "on the opponent's turn" that's unlikely.

[whienot]

I'm calling Volcanic Fallout, possibly without the uncounterable clause.

Add a damage can't be prevented clause, and this has my vote. Because Cave-In already exists.

[Dice_Box]

Add a damage can't be prevented clause, and this has my vote.
Fuck you TNN!

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Considering the theme is "on the opponent's turn" that's unlikely.

Instead of exiling a card, you get a card from exile to give an opponent an extra combat.

(extra combat was the coldsnap pitch spell, no?)

[whienot]

@Dice_Box Exactly. Red could use something besides, uh, Mogg Infestation to handle that blight.

[Dice_Box]

Instead of exiling a card, you get a card from exile to give an opponent an extra combat.

(extra combat was the coldsnap pitch spell, no?)

Fury? Yea, 2 cards though.

[Barook]

Fuck you TNN!
Considering the set has ~40 different non-evergreen keywords according to Maro, I hope we get the equivalent to Sulfur Element for blue creatures. It would decimate TNN, Snapcaster, unflipped Delvers (2x also kills flipped ones), Clique and Strix. But we never get nice things. :frown:

[PirateKing]

It still surprises me that a damage cannot be prevented sweeper hasn't been printed yet. Again, if it was pitchable, even better.

[Dice_Box]

Seeing the writing on the wall, likely won't happen now either. We will get a black pitch will neg shit and red will go on having sweet fuck all to deal with a resolved TNN.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7COaqKU8AEQvvQ.jpg

While likely not good enough for Legacy, is this some sort of combo piece with Carrion Feeder/recurring Zombies?

[Erdvermampfa]

Contrary to most other cards you try to hype here, this IS good enough for Legacy...

[Dice_Box]

Contrary to most other cards you try to hype here, this IS good enough for Legacy...
Seeing as the other card he posted is a shoe in for Lands I'd say cut him some slack.

[BenBleiweiss]

Contrary to most other cards you try to hype here, this IS good enough for Legacy...

Once again - not trying to hype anything. Trying to post up cards that are getting spoiled, haven't been posted up here, and might be interesting for Legacy. I think hype would look more like "OH MY GOD THIS CARD IS GOING TO REVOLUTIONIZE LEGACY BUY YOUR PLAYSET NOW OR YOU'LL REGRET IT ZOMBIE HYYYYYYYYPE TRAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIN!"

[H]

While likely not good enough for Legacy, is this some sort of combo piece with Carrion Feeder/recurring Zombies?

Carrion Feeder, Gravecrawler and Bridge From Below would let you draw 2 cards (and lose 2 life) for :b:.

[Barook]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7COaqKU8AEQvvQ.jpg

While likely not good enough for Legacy, is this some sort of combo piece with Carrion Feeder/recurring Zombies?
Gravecrawler + sac outlet (either Carrion Feeder or Goblin Bombardment) is probably the to-go combo with it. Bridge from Below is also a possibility.

Hard to say if that's going to be good enough for Legacy, but it does seem quite strong. Most removal that kills it is still a 2-for-1 as it replaces itself.

Edit: This + Gravecrawler + Phyrexian Altar is a DIY Bargain. That's worth pointing out since Zombardment lists already run Altar now. This could help to find combo pieces for infinite Zombies or infinite damage.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7COaqKU8AEQvvQ.jpg

While likely not good enough for Legacy, is this some sort of combo piece with Carrion Feeder/recurring Zombies?

Not...exactly. I think this will do it's job in modern though. It's interesting, I'll probably play it in Modern.

[bruizar]

I'm calling the red spell to be a fork



I wouldn't get my hopes up about a red Misdirection.

WotC can't get away from their red = direct damage design mantra. Pyrokinesis variant that can also hit planeswalkers would also fit the bill, though, both as a callback to a popular card and as a direct damage card.

White isn't particularly strong in terms of pitch cards. Another thing that might be possible is a variant of Teferi's Protection to stop one-shot bullshit, but that seems rather unlikely.

Edit: Fact or Fiction got reprinted. Nifty reprint right there.

I designed this card a long time ago:


Pitchfork
Instant
2RR
You may exile a red card from your hand instead of paying its mana cost. Copy target instant or sorcery spell, except that the copy is red. You may choose new targets for the copy.

"Pitchforks are better than Plowshares" - Greenfinger, Goblin Gardener


I'm hoping the gods have listened

[bruizar]

Completely forgot about that one, you're right.


Let's assume the rest of the cycle is used for police cards, some ideas:
Black:
- an Unmask variant (probably needs some retooling because WotC doesn't like instant discard)
- yet another GY hoser
- a creature kill spell


Nah man, the black one will be a free reanimate for anything under 3CC. i'll call it, Force from the Grave

[Megadeus]

Nah man, the black one will be a free reanimate for anything under 3CC. i'll call it, Force from the Grave

Instant speed unearth? What's the best way to abuse that?

[bruizar]

There are not and this myth needs to die.

it's a myth called promissory estoppel

[bruizar]

Instant speed unearth? What's the best way to abuse that?

Probably a value play for tempo, getting back a Snapcaster Mage (which offsets the exiled card), or Eternal Witness (though that is better with unearth) or Laboratory Maniac.

I think it would be a very safe card to print.

[Barook]

Diabolic Edict got a reprint, just after they printed a better version last set. :rolleyes:

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/fistsofflame.jpg

This could do some fun stuff with Dreadhorde Arcanist and Brainstorm/Faithless Looting:

T2: Arcanist
T3: Draw from draw step, land, Brainstorm, Fists of Flame, +5/+0 to Arcanist, swing, recycle Fist of Flame +6/+0, hitting for 12 while generating card advantage. Scary, given how Arcanist is already taking the format by storm.

or

T3: Draw from draw step, land, Faithless Looting, dump big spell, Fists of Flame, +4/+0 to Arcanist, swing, play any spell with a CMC up to 5 for free with Arcanist.

[bruizar]

T3: Draw from draw step, land, Faithless Looting, dump big spell, Fists of Flame, +4/+0 to Arcanist, swing, play any spell with a CMC up to 5 for free with Arcanist.

Hatred

[Barook]

Hatred
But then you're playing Hatred. That card hasn't been good since ages.

Just generating some value with Fists of Flame is probably good enough, as you can bring back anything with a CMC of 3 (like K Command) over the course of the game with Arcanist. Since Fists are replacing themselves, the card should be rarely dead as long as you can protect your creature.

[Mr. Safety]

Gravecrawler + sac outlet (either Carrion Feeder or Goblin Bombardment) is probably the to-go combo with it. Bridge from Below is also a possibility.

Hard to say if that's going to be good enough for Legacy, but it does seem quite strong. Most removal that kills it is still a 2-for-1 as it replaces itself.

Edit: This + Gravecrawler + Phyrexian Altar is a DIY Bargain. That's worth pointing out since Zombardment lists already run Altar now. This could help to find combo pieces for infinite Zombies or infinite damage.

Here i am, sitting here thinking that this is a cute card with Cabal Therapist while you build your own Yawgmoth's Bargain. Pfft, whatever, lol. Do you think this will make the cut for zombardment?

[rufus]

....
This could do some fun stuff with Dreadhorde Arcanist and Brainstorm/Faithless Looting:
...

In modern people are going to try it with Baral/Electromancer and Jeskai Ascendancy.

[Barook]

Do you think this will make the cut for zombardment?
No idea, I don't play Zombardment. But this card seems almost tailor-made for it (although, most likely, it was made with some kind of Aristrocrats deck in mind).

[BenBleiweiss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546134726490980363/580332346813841421/image0.jpg

Force of Despair

If it’s not your turn, you may exile a black card from your hand rather than pay this spell’s mana cost. Destroy all creatures that entered the battlefield this turn

[Megadeus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546134726490980363/580332346813841421/image0.jpg

Force of Despair

If it’s not your turn, you may exile a black card from your hand rather than pay this spell’s mana cost. Destroy all creatures that entered the battlefield this turn
Am I the only one that thinks this card kind of blows?

[H]

Huh, a Black pseudo-Cradle to Grave wrath. This is actually rather interesting, but ultimately I think it just doesn't have enough utility. Except maybe vs something like Elves.

[mistercakes]

Cool vs elves as mentioned, but also a good out vs empty the warrens. Looks like a sb card at best, also kills true name.

[Mr. Safety]

Am I the only one that thinks this card kind of blows?

Nope. The upside of removal vs. countermagic is that removal can be saved until it's relevant. This is a removal spell with the restriction of a counterspell. It would be good against decks that play multiple threats a turn, but that isn't typical in any format really. I suppose it could be good against D&T and Goblins in legacy, but forcing yourself into card disadvantage against decks with inherent card advantage? Yeah, good luck with that. EDIT: even as a sideboard card it seems too narrow.

I think 'blows' is too generous.

[H]

Nope. The upside of removal vs. countermagic is that removal can be saved until it's relevant. This is a removal spell with the restriction of a counterspell.

I think 'blows' is too generous.

Well, I think that is a sort of false analog there. I mean, indeed, in a sense, if you are looking to stop one creature then yes, this sucks vs. a traditional counter. However, the "utility" of this spell is in cases like vs. Elves or Empty or something else, where you can catch multiple creatures. I'm not saying this card is great, just that I don't think it is terrible. It's just a niche card, which, is different to me.

[Fox]

Pretty funny against Flickerwisp/DnT stuff. Beware of your local Pox players. :cool:

[Megadeus]

Don't they just vial on your turn and then if you tapped down your card has no text? Doesn't even do anything to the Collected Company decks in modern because they just Coco on your turn.

[PirateKing]

It strikes me as a unexpectedly strong pivot from rewarding you for playing on your opponent's turn with alternate casting to pretty much exclusively playing on your opponent's turn.
There are lots of games where the blue and green one will be hardcast, but this one seems much more unlikely.

It isn't just an old card stuffed into this cycle's templating though, so that's something at least

[Fox]

Don't they just vial on your turn and then if you tapped down your card has no text? Doesn't even do anything to the Collected Company decks in modern because they just Coco on your turn.

Probably, but it does stop some of the hardcast Flickerwisp lines. It's probably about as effective as Rock the Croc (Bontu's Last Reckoning). Is this new card an instant if hardcast?

[Smuggo]

http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/brr-modern-horizons.jpg?x96163

Trample, Haste

Whenever Lightning Skelemental deals combat damage to a player, that player discards two cards.

At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Lightning Skelemental.


Hnngggg, dat art!

[Mr. Safety]

Well, I think that is a sort of false analog there. I mean, indeed, in a sense, if you are looking to stop one creature then yes, this sucks vs. a traditional counter. However, the "utility" of this spell is in cases like vs. Elves or Empty or something else, where you can catch multiple creatures. I'm not saying this card is great, just that I don't think it is terrible. It's just a niche card, which, is different to me.

It was only part of the analysis. The other part is the card disadvantage. If you are attempting to deal with multiple creatures, lets say you at least want to get 2 creatures with this 'niche' card, then you are getting a 2-for-2. This isn't bad, but as I said you are facing decks with inherent card advantage (Elves has Glimpse, D&T has SFM/Recruiter, and Goblins has Matron/Ringleader.) It's already going to be hard to keep up with their 2-for-1's already and this card puts you even further behind. If you hardcast it (reasonable at 3 mana) it should be fine, but to do that in a reasonable amount of time against those decks is pushing the boundaries.

While I don't think it is terrible in design I think it will be poor in practice. It seems like a trap card outside of extremely niche decks like Manaless Dredge. Once it lands in niche decks it becomes part of the plan to work around what they have available. I guess I'll slow roll my threats to ensure you always 2-for-1 yourself, or in best case it's an inefficient removal spell at 3 mana (by legacy and modern standards.)

I think the real issue is the floor is high enough to be testable, but the ceiling isn't high enough to make the cut.

[H]

While I don't think it is terrible in design I think it will be poor in practice. It seems like a trap card outside of extremely niche decks like Manaless Dredge.

Well, I actually think it's a rather "poor" design and it's really quite limited in a way that severely hurts it's playability. That said, I guess this is a way that some sort of Black but non-Blue deck could try to "not lose" to Sneak and Show or Elves, but in the end, it's still not great (because in the case of GBrand, they likely draw 14). But it isn't really terrible, but it's also really not very good.

So, I think we essentially agree, except I find a tiny amount of utility, where you don't. In the end, it's unlikely to see much play in Legacy.

[Mr. Safety]

Well, I actually think it's a rather "poor" design and it's really quite limited in a way that severely hurts it's playability. That said, I guess this is a way that some sort of Black but non-Blue deck could try to "not lose" to Sneak and Show or Elves, but in the end, it's still not great (because in the case of GBrand, they likely draw 14). But it isn't really terrible, but it's also really not very good.

So, I think we essentially agree, except I find a tiny amount of utility, where you don't. In the end, it's unlikely to see much play in Legacy.

Well stated, and we're just speculating anyways. I could be completely wrong and it could be an excellent card.

I think they were worried it would be too powerful so they gave it the 'entered this turn' clause. This is again just speculation, but I think they were planning on the ceiling being 'you get a 2-card payout out of your 2 card cost.' In legacy's higher threshold of power we expect more than that.

[Fox]

Force of Despair probably would have been more interesting if it was 2-3cmc (+pitch option) and made a No Mercy effect. [also kills TNN]

[morgan_coke]

Am I the only one who thinks this exists as an answer to stuff like Through the Breach/Goryo's?

It's relevant in Legacy for the same reasons, but this set was primarily designed for modern. And there it does answer a lot of "haste kill" plans, whether that be Titan/Illharg/Emrakul, or whatever.

[H]

Am I the only one who thinks this exists as an answer to stuff like Through the Breach/Goryo's?

It's relevant in Legacy for the same reasons, but this set was primarily designed for modern. And there it does answer a lot of "haste kill" plans, whether that be Titan/Illharg/Emrakul, or whatever.

I mean, on one hand, you are likely right, but on the other, it's not a very good solution.

Because if they put in GBrand, they likely draw 7, 14 cards, so they actually 14-2 you. If they put in Worldspine, they get 15 power. So, it could stop you from dying right now, but likely not in the long term.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

it's a myth called promissory estoppel

I, too, read that article that ignored the fact they already printed cards on the reserved list.

[Dice_Box]

Please take all talk of the Reserve list to another thread. Options of really shitty threads that no one gives a fuck about (so you can post shit there) include B/R and Bitching about buyouts (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?16162-Official-Bitching-About-Prices-Buyouts-and-Reprints-Thread) thread.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Diabolic Edict got a reprint, just after they printed a better version last set. :rolleyes:
Geth's Verdict is about a decade old at this point, thank you very much!


Here i am, sitting here thinking that this is a cute card with Cabal Therapist while you build your own Yawgmoth's Bargain. Pfft, whatever, lol. Do you think this will make the cut for zombardment?
I think it's good enough there. Especially if they're still playing that WB enchantment.


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546134726490980363/580332346813841421/image0.jpg

Force of Despair

If it’s not your turn, you may exile a black card from your hand rather than pay this spell’s mana cost. Destroy all creatures that entered the battlefield this turn
Maybe if it hit planeswalkers.
Or if you cast it on your turn you could kill anything. White and Red have their work cut out for them if they want to be worse than this.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Lightning Skelemental
BRR
Skeleton Elemental
6/1 Trample Haste
When Lightning Skelemental deals damage to a player that player discards two cards.
This is a card!

[jmlima]

And now, the goose is loose in modern. (I think this set safely turns modern into legacy-lite)

[Dice_Box]

Red just needs to do unpreventable damage and it's gold. At least in my eyes. Gets around Mum and TNN. That would be fine.

White, a 3 mana Swords that you can cast for free wouldn't suck. Seeing as the decks that most often play with Swords either use their lands as a control element to attack others land base, or they are trying to hold up other interaction.

[joven]

And now, the goose is loose in modern. (I think this set safely turns modern into legacy-lite)

And I'd guess most Modern players won't like it.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

And I'd guess most Modern players won't like it.

If they give us dyrexian phrednought I'll be happy.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/images/daily/en_eD1XSaEDDs.png

Ok, THIS one I'm excited about - an entire CYCLE of enemy-color Horizon Canopy!

[Bithlord]

what decks in Legacy would actually want these over other options, though?

[Dice_Box]

what decks in Legacy would actually want these over other options, though?
Land's makes use of Canopy already as a draw effect sometimes. Having the ability to switch to GU is not nothing. But it's not a home run.

[BenBleiweiss]

what decks in Legacy would actually want these over other options, though?

I can imagine hyper-aggressive decks (Burn) would especially consider the Red ones, with Fireblast being the only drawback to running them.

[Barook]

with Fireblast being the only drawback to running them.
And Price of Progress.

Those are going to be more relevant in Modern. For Legacy, we might see fringe uses here and there.

[Dice_Box]

And Price of Progress.

Those are going to be more relevant in Modern. For Legacy, we might see fringe uses here and there.
God yes, that GB one is going into The Rock for one. Burn will run the RW one. The RU one will get a hell of a lot of traction too.

[Mr. Safety]

God yes, that GB one is going into The Rock for one. Burn will run the RW one. The RU one will get a hell of a lot of traction too.

I just want to echo this post, I think you're spot on. These will replace some number of the fastlands (Spirebluff Canal, Blooming Marsh, etc.) to round out mana-bases in modern. With GB focusing so much on Tireless Tracker they now have an even better value/draw engine.

I'm still crossing my fingers for cycle lands like Tranquil Thicket et al.

[rufus]

what decks in Legacy would actually want these over other options, though?

If you like you can think of these as cycling lands that have the drawback that they cost a land drop to cycle, but the up side that they come into play untapped, and that you can cycle them after using them as a land. I don't know how well it would work out in practice, but running 23 lands with 3 of these instead of 22 might be a way to mitigate flood/screw concerns. Trading life for tempo is often a good move in magic.

So we would expect these to have potential in decks that develop additional land drops (i.e. lists that run Manabond or Exploration) and ones that have trouble finding land/action balance (i.e. fast aggro).

These look really solid to me, but the fetch/dual stuff is stronger for reliable fixing. So these are probably more for 1 or 2 color decks where that's not so much of an issue and where the free shuffle + brainstorm/ponder isn't as big of a deal.

[Poron]

not fetchable, shock lands are still the second best duals around

[Cire]

Munitions Expert BR
Creature - Goblin
Flash
When Munitions Expert enters the battlefield, you may have it deal damage to target creature or planeswalker equal to the number of Goblins you control.
1/1

Wizards really want Goblins to be a thing again

[Mr Miagi]

It's a very bad topdeck card and becomes irrelevant very quickly... doesn't help you deal with creatures already on board... Bad card.

Modern elves already have Ezuri who will just regenerate everybody else..

[H]

not fetchable, shock lands are still the second best duals around

Yeah, I mean, they are meant (especially in Legacy) to be utility lands, not replacement Duals.


Munitions Expert BR
Creature - Goblin
Flash
When Munitions Expert enters the battlefield, you may have it deal damage to target creature or planeswalker equal to the number of Goblins you control.
1/1

Wizards really want Goblins to be a thing again

It's only really a (bad) Modern version of Gempalm Incinerator so yeah, they are trying to make Goblins a thing, in Modern.

[Captain Hammer]

what decks in Legacy would actually want these over other options, though?

A bunch of them. Being able to turn your mana flood into extra cards is incredibly useful.

Landtrips will see play in legacy. Decks can play 23 lands where 4 of them are these and not have to worry about getting mana screwed or mana flooded. More likely they will see play as 1-2 ofs in a bunch of legacy decks.

[Finn]

This is a card!

Re: lightning skelemental, I may be blind. But I do not see the part about sacrificing it at turn’s end. They could not be that high, could they?

[H]

Re: lightning skelemental, I may be blind. But I do not see the part about sacrificing it at turn’s end. They could not be that high, could they?

No, that clause is there, it would be sacrificed "at the beginning of the next End Step."

[Barook]

A bunch of them. Being able to turn your mana flood into extra cards is incredibly useful.

Landtrips will see play in legacy. Decks can play 23 lands where 4 of them are these and not have to worry about getting mana screwed or mana flooded. More likely they will see play as 1-2 ofs in a bunch of legacy decks.
D&T could already do that and they ran 1-2 copies at most. The life loss stacks up, even in decks that don't require life payments otherwise. And it's especially bad in multiples.

[H]

D&T could already do that and they ran 1-2 copies at most. The life loss stacks up, even in decks that don't require life payments otherwise. And it's especially bad in multiples.

Granted, I am a no one, with no results to speak of, but I always found the life loss from Canopy a massive liability in D&T because there are far more times where one needs to stabilize, in my experience, at a low life total, vs. times where exchanging a land-drop and "two" mana for a "cylce effect" is worth it. Again, strictly my opinion and I don't have any metrics to back that up.

[Megadeus]

I played it as a one of in Maverick and it was fine. I think decks like GB Rock and Dead guy love these though. Not that those decks are remotely viable because they aren't blue

[H]

I played it as a one of in Maverick and it was fine. I think decks like GB Rock and Dead guy love these though. Not that those decks are remotely viable because they aren't blue

Well, where it actually does fix mana, by offering access to both colors, the needle definitely moves. In a mono-color deck, to me, they are worse than basics in most cases.

[Barook]

I played it as a one of in Maverick and it was fine.
Maverick has KotR to fetch it, though. Big difference.

[Megadeus]

Maverick has KotR to fetch it, though. Big difference.

Right. It was just to turn KOTR into a draw. I think non blue decks that couldnt use canopy for fixing will play these in some number

[maharis]

I played it as a one of in Maverick and it was fine. I think decks like GB Rock and Dead guy love these though. Not that those decks are remotely viable because they aren't blue

This is probably the best printing DGA has had in years.

Canopy has always been a great card hamstrung by a few things:
-Lack of GW decks
-U+G/W decks having other draw engines available
-G decks tending toward land toolboxes (depths, maverick) squeezing out room
-W decks (D&T, stompy variants) running either a ton of other non-basics or cards like Ancient Tomb

The color combination matters. This taps for B on turn 1 so you can IoK/TS with it, then hymn them, then deploy a liliana. You can get the life back with equipment, or lifelink creatures, or whatever. You aren't leaning so heavily on Bob to draw extra cards. (Speaking of which, playing 4x life-sucking lands is the definition of greatness at any cost). I'm super excited to work with it.

Similarly RW getting this kind of effect is nuts but R is getting a lot of draw these days.

[morgan_coke]

One place the black force would really shine in Legacy that isn't getting mentioned much is vs. Dredge. They can do their "make a bunch of dudes" plan, and you can wipe the board on their turn. Same with Phoenix decks. I think this card is better/has more uses that it's getting credit for.

[maharis]

One place the black force would really shine in Legacy that isn't getting mentioned much is vs. Dredge. They can do their "make a bunch of dudes" plan, and you can wipe the board on their turn. Same with Phoenix decks. I think this card is better/has more uses that it's getting credit for.

trouble with that is all their dudes turn into more dudes thanks to bridge. I think black force is basically sb reanimator hate but it still gets duressed. too bad they didn't think of something else but hey, what can you do

[H]

trouble with that is all their dudes turn into more dudes thanks to bridge. I think black force is basically sb reanimator hate but it still gets duressed. too bad they didn't think of something else but hey, what can you do

Yeah, the trouble is, vs Reanimator they likely still get value off whatever they brought back. And vs. Phoenix or Dredge, they likely just do it all again next turn.

[rufus]

... I think this card is better/has more uses that it's getting credit for.

Is there any tap out aggro deck that could use it to stop the opponent from stabilizing?

<sarcasm>Is it there to enable twin unbans?</sarcasm>

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/3kfzvcg0ulz21.jpg

Not Legacy playable, but this is such a mish-mash of abilities.

[H]

Not Legacy playable, but this is such a mish-mash of abilities.

Well, it does make Thopter Found/Sword of the Meek go infinite (in fact, actually, infinite in two ways). I like it for EDH, but 4 mana is a ton for a competitive format.

[Dice_Box]

Ok. Fuck it. Time to settle in and build U Stax.

At the very least that's a card in Modern Whir.

[H]

Ok. Fuck it. Time to settle in and build U Stax.

At the very least that's a card in Modern Whir.

You can even do stuff like (not in Modern) tap your Winter/Static Orb as well. I enjoy the very "Johnny" nature of this card.

The "Timmy" me realizes full well that 4 mana in Blue is just JTMS territory in Legacy though.

[Dice_Box]

Yea, you can play better Blue cards, but it's Stax. If you wanted to play good cards you would play something better, like Nourishing Lich.

[H]

Yea, you can play better Blue cards, but it's Stax. If you wanted to play good cards you would play something better, like Nourishing Lich.

I get it. I just realized as well that since this thing goes infinite and makes infinite mana with ThopterSword, you can literally play your entire deck and make as many tokens as you want, plus as much life as you want. Pure nonsense, I love it.

[Gheizen64]

Collected conjuring look playable in some jank list, collected company for spells sounds abusable. Suspend spells, tinker for vintage, show and tell for legacy etc...

[Michael Keller]

https://i.redd.it/3kfzvcg0ulz21.jpg

Not Legacy playable, but this is such a mish-mash of abilities.

Temporal Aperture!

[H]

Collected conjuring look playable in some jank list, collected company for spells sounds abusable. Suspend spells, tinker for vintage, show and tell for legacy etc...

I'm not sure how much it matters, but you can cast Overmaster and Show and Tell off of it. But I think it's likely still not good enough at 4 mana.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

I like it for EDH, but 4 mana is a ton for a competitive format.

Well it kinda cost 3! You can tap the construct.

[H]

Well it kinda cost 3! You can tap the construct.

Man, I really dislike that sort of line of reasoning. Like, we could say that Gilded Lotus kind of costs 2. But that is really nonsense. In fact, that is the whole reason why Grim Monolith is worth the amount of money that it is and sees the play that it does, where you'd never see anyone trying to cast a Gilded Lotus in Legacy.

It really bothers me when people try to talk about 5-mana Teferi like that. It's just not the way an evaluation of CMC really works in a cogent manner.

[Captain Hammer]

D&T could already do that and they ran 1-2 copies at most. The life loss stacks up, even in decks that don't require life payments otherwise. And it's especially bad in multiples.

Exactly my point. Even a slow controllish deck like mono white DnT runs 1-2 copies. These lands will show up as 1-2s in a bunch of decks that couldnt run Horizon Canopy.

Low curve aggressive decks like Burn will likely play more, 2-4 copies.

[rufus]

Collected conjuring look playable in some jank list, collected company for spells sounds abusable. Suspend spells, tinker for vintage, show and tell for legacy etc...

They tried really hard to make "self-combo" impossible since it only hits sorceries.

To hit two sorceries in 6 cards, you'd need more than 20 in the deck... so you're looking at around 24-28 sorceries total. I'm sure you can find 6 useful sorceries with cmc<=3. I'm less sure that you can find 4 mana without getting countered.

[morgan_coke]

They tried really hard to make "self-combo" impossible since it only hits sorceries.

To hit two sorceries in 6 cards, you'd need more than 20 in the deck... so you're looking at around 24-28 sorceries total. I'm sure you can find 6 useful sorceries with cmc<=3. I'm less sure that you can find 4 mana without getting countered.

It triggers Phoenix by itself. You could also grab double stone rain/molten rain.

[sco0ter]

morgan_coke, I am sure you love that upgrade to Astral Slide! :smile:

Astral Drift 2W
Enchantment

Whenever you cycle Astral Drift or cycle another card while Astral Drift is on the battlefield, you may exile target creature. If you do, return that creature to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.

Cycling 2W

[Barook]

Brainstorm could be used to set something up for Collected Conjuring. At one point there should be a critical mass of cards to cast the zero mana Suspend cards reliably.

As for Urza, what kind of title is "Lord High Artificer"? It sounds weird as hell.

[Megadeus]

Brainstorm could be used to set something up for Collected Conjuring. At one point there should be a critical mass of cards to cast the zero mana Suspend cards reliably.

As for Urza, what kind of title is "Lord High Artificer"? It sounds weird as hell.

That was his title in The Brothers War I believe

[Barook]

Spore Frog got reprinted.

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/scourallpossibilities.jpg

A more expensive Preordain with Flashback. Probably too expensive for normal cantrip decks, but maybe something for decks that run Chalice? :really:

[morgan_coke]

Spore Frog got reprinted.

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/scourallpossibilities.jpg

A more expensive Preordain with Flashback. Probably too expensive for normal cantrip decks, but maybe something for decks that run Chalice? :really:

Isn't that just a worse version of Discovery//Dispersal?

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://i.redd.it/3kfzvcg0ulz21.jpg

Not Legacy playable, but this is such a mish-mash of abilities.

He's not wearing his glasses! How can he see without his glasses!?

[Michael Keller]

He's not wearing his glasses! How can he see without his glasses!?

Because he was going to be an acrobat.

[Barook]

A fixed Mom has been printed:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7IHlLKWwAAsAlb.jpg

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

A fixed Mom has been printed:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7IHlLKWwAAsAlb.jpg

Really not happy to see Mom in modern.
But at least it's not a human.
Though I am pleased it hits colorless now.
And in legacy I'm the opposite of pleased it hits colorless, but not really worried about 8 mom.dec
Oh it's a 1/2, because of course it is, lol.

[Gruul]

She doesn't die to Dread of Night and its hateful cousins, and helps against Eldrazi, while Mom is like the first card to cut in that specific MU.
She doesn't target herself, doesn't benefit from Cavern on Humans but benefits on Kor.

Did I miss something ?

Oh yes, the art is beautiful, I mean it's Seb.

[PirateKing]

New mom can't target herself, but isn't Legendary. Hopefully nobody will play multiples.

[TsumiBand]

God fucking fucking fucking fucking dammit, a viable Mom one-off in Modern and me without a card pool to build anything worth a damn. I just need Modern printings of Ancient Tomb and Exalted Angel to relive my favorite Legacy times in Modern. Turn 1 Mom, turn 2 upside-down card, turn 3 Top 8

[Fox]

That was his title in The Brothers War I believe

Lord High Artificer of Yotia [think Yotian Soldier]. Urza gets to work on Thran stuff, Mishra works on Phyrexian stuff.

Before the brothers go their separate ways, there was a competition to be Lord High Artificer [Urza won] and gets, among other things, the Thran Tome upon which Dominaria Karn's +1 is modeled. Thran Tome has the info to build the Weatherlight/Legacy Weapon, and good magic lore ends with Freylise sets off the Pernicious Deed.

[morgan_coke]

morgan_coke, I am sure you love that upgrade to Astral Slide! :smile:

Astral Drift 2W
Enchantment

Whenever you cycle Astral Drift or cycle another card while Astral Drift is on the battlefield, you may exile target creature. If you do, return that creature to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.

Cycling 2W

Yeah, that's a huge upgrade, I'm pretty pumped.

[Matsu]

A fixed Mom has been printed:



The 1/2 is a little unprofessional, they did not learn their lesson from DRS.
No goblin lackey in Modern :frown:

New burn spell

Fire Breath
2R
Enchantment
When it enters the battlefield, each opponent gains 10 life.

Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a verse counter on it, then it deals damage equal to the number of verse counters on it to target player or planeswalker.

can you abuse this in legacy?

[Poron]

Sulfuric Vortex? Solidarity finisher?

[Echelon]

With a Sulfuric Vortex it takes 6 instants/sorceries (that don't do damage) to kill your opponent. One could do just about the same with 6/7 Bolts (or Fireblast/PoP etc.). I'm guessing it's more efficient to just straightup burn your opponent to 0...

[mistercakes]

it's a good option in ruby storm and potentially sb option in ANT. you don't have to cast all the spells in the same turn. doing some kind of past in flames loop doesn't even require a kill card at the end. (flashing back PiF to deal 8 or 10 damage is pretty sick.)

[Poron]

well you have to consider the cantrip/control part of it. When a you chain a cantrip and a Brainstorm deals 3 damages, it’s definitely good.

UR control material. too bad that’s not even a deck

[Poron]

if he stays at 20 that kills in 6 spells. We can do that while cantripping/countering and so on

Sort of Pyromancer 5-8. Totally prefer the latter.

[Humphrey]

Yeah, I mean, they are meant (especially in Legacy) to be utility lands, not replacement Duals.



It's only really a (bad) Modern version of Gempalm Incinerator so yeah, they are trying to make Goblins a thing, in Modern.


little late to the party, but this goblin is not a worse gempalm.

depending on your build its better actually.

-its base damage is 1 on an empty board (gempalm 0)
-it can be played with vial (huge plus actually)
-it can be played with cavern mana (although since it needs 2 different colors, its pretty neutral)
-brings a body into play straight away

I like it a lot

on top, with matron being reprinted, all we need now is ringleader (and mayybe lackey) Winstigator build is probably good enough.

the moment vial gobs becomes a thing in modern im completly gone :D

[Fox]

Guys c'mon now, Fire Breath is totally meant to be played with Kavu Predator and False Cure.

[Scott]

Regrowth reprinted for Modern and the White pitch card is:


Force of Virtue :1::w::w:

Enchantment

If it's not your turn, you may exile a white card from your hand instead of paying this card's mana cost.

Flash.

Creatures you control get +1/+1

And maybe a friend for Goblin Welder in Imperial Painter?

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/273/601/636941167224332898.png

[Matsu]

if he stays at 20 that kills in 6 spells. We can do that while cantripping/countering and so on

Sort of Pyromancer 5-8. Totally prefer the latter.


You need an attack step with Pyromancer.

[Megadeus]

Regrowth reprinted for Modern and the White pitch card is:



And maybe a friend for Goblin Welder in Imperial Painter?

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/273/601/636941167224332898.png
As a painter player, I'm intrigued. Now mono red can maybe have a good enough tutor engine that I don't feel dumb for not running ETutor

[jmlima]

...White and Red have their work cut out for them if they want to be worse than this.

White says 'Hold my beer red.'


if not your turn, exile white card instead of paying its cmc.

flash

Creatures you control get +1+1.

[Matsu]

White says 'Hold my beer red.'


if not your turn, exile white card instead of paying its cmc.

flash

Creatures you control get +1+1.

I am really disappointed with the White Force.
I think +1/+1 is not a enough for modern, an additional Lifelink or First strike or both will be better.

[mrjumbo03]

^It's an enchantment. So it's a flash Glorious Anthem.

[joven]

Why would a Glorious Anthem with Flash that can be pitched during opponent's turn be a card for Modern?? What did WotC think? It seems lazy, just a filler for the cycle.

[Fox]

Why would a Glorious Anthem with Flash that can be pitched during opponent's turn be a card for Modern?? What did WotC think? It seems lazy, just a filler for the cycle.

Probably more throwing a bone to legacy DnT who want to overreact to Dread of Night.

[Dice_Box]

Why would a Glorious Anthem with Flash that can be pitched during opponent's turn be a card for Modern?? What did WotC think? It seems lazy, just a filler for the cycle.
With Mum as well, I think its a way to get a deck like DnT going while having options against Humans or Spirits. At this point Modern has almost everything it needs to get a cheep (Clone) of DnT running.

[Mr. Safety]

Why would a Glorious Anthem with Flash that can be pitched during opponent's turn be a card for Modern?? What did WotC think? It seems lazy, just a filler for the cycle.

I don't think it was lazy, I think it was focused. This seems to me a deliberate attempt to make {EDIT} modern BW tokens a viable deck again. That deck plays anywhere from 6-8 anthem effects, and one of the issues is whether to play token generators early or get anthems down to avoid low-level wipers like Anger of the Gods. This doesn't completely solve that with only a +1/+1 bonus, but it can be done alongside token generators in the same turn cycle. It's also a way for Martyr of Sands decks to close out games with the same upside.

[rufus]

...
New burn spell

Fire Breath
2R
Enchantment
When it enters the battlefield, each opponent gains 10 life.

Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a verse counter on it, then it deals damage equal to the number of verse counters on it to target player or planeswalker.

can you abuse this in legacy?

It takes four spells to break even (1+2+3+4=10), and another three to get to 18 (assuming some self damage) after that. So you're talking about holding on until there's three mana and then casting 5-7 spells to profit off this.

Planeswalkers tend to work better as grindy win cons these days, and storm is a better way to combo.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

It takes four spells to break even (1+2+3+4=10), and another three to get to 18 (assuming some self damage) after that. So you're talking about holding on until there's three mana and then casting 5-7 spells to profit off this.

Planeswalkers tend to work better as grindy win cons these days, and storm is a better way to combo.
Play it in storm right next to pyromancer ascension

[H]

little late to the party, but this goblin is not a worse gempalm.

depending on your build its better actually.

-its base damage is 1 on an empty board (gempalm 0)
-it can be played with vial (huge plus actually)
-it can be played with cavern mana (although since it needs 2 different colors, its pretty neutral)
-brings a body into play straight away

I like it a lot

on top, with matron being reprinted, all we need now is ringleader (and mayybe lackey) Winstigator build is probably good enough.

the moment vial gobs becomes a thing in modern im completly gone :D

Well, indeed, my initial reaction was likely a bit off, but I don't think it is "all upside" vs Incinerator, although the interaction with Vial is certainly a plus.

[rufus]

Regrowth reprinted for Modern and the White pitch card is:



And maybe a friend for Goblin Welder in Imperial Painter?

...

Seems pretty interesting as a toolbox thing. Ichor Wellspring for draw, KCI or Thopter Foundry/Sword of the Meek combos. It's a strong tutor.

[Fox]

It takes four spells to break even (1+2+3+4=10), and another three to get to 18 (assuming some self damage) after that. So you're talking about holding on until there's three mana and then casting 5-7 spells to profit off this.

Planeswalkers tend to work better as grindy win cons these days, and storm is a better way to combo.

You're really overcomplicating this: turn 2 Kavu Predator. Turn 3 Dark Rit -> play Fire Breath -> trigger on the stack: cast False Cure (trigger deal 1) -> opponent gains 10 (stack your 11 triggers) -> opponent loses 20 -> attack with 12/12 trample.

The normal usage of this card = worse than Risk Factor.

[Mr. Safety]

Guys c'mon now, Fire Breath is totally meant to be played with Kavu Predator and False Cure.

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.lOpbJhDCOEvbDH26D4koLwHaIU&w=161&h=173&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7

I'm a huge fan of Kavu Predator from back in the day, playing fun cards like Fiery Justice, Swords to Plowshares, and Grove/Fires.

[Finn]

New burn spell

Fire Breath
2R
Enchantment
When it enters the battlefield, each opponent gains 10 life.

Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a verse counter on it, then it deals damage equal to the number of verse counters on it to target player or planeswalker.

can you abuse this in legacy?
False Cure. Isn’t there a red one now that works better?

Aww crap. Ninja’d

[Matsu]

I don't think it was lazy, I think it was focused. This seems to me a deliberate attempt to make BW tokens a viable deck again. That deck plays anywhere from 6-8 anthem effects, and one of the issues is whether to play token generators early or get anthems down to avoid low-level wipers like Anger of the Gods. This doesn't completely solve that with only a +1/+1 bonus, but it can be done alongside token generators in the same turn cycle. It's also a way for Martyr of Sands decks to close out games with the same upside.

Based on my experience playing against D&T. It is not a deck that holds a huge amount of cards, to exile one of them to boost your team. A Flicker Wisp with vial is like 3 creatures and you want to hold your StP or PtE for the Big guy. If this will be "discard", not "exile" and give an extra ability to your team it will be great trap or finisher. It will definitely give a boost to the token deck which replay most of his spells or a great tool to close the game faster with D&T.
Any of the 4 mana Sorin is better then this. I think this is bulk level at the moment.

[Mr. Safety]

Based on my experience playing against D&T. It is not a deck that holds a huge amount of cards, to exile one of them to boost your team. A Flicker Wisp with vial is like 3 creatures and you want to hold your StP or PtE for the Big guy. If this will be "discard", not "exile" and give an extra ability to your team it will be great trap or finisher. It will definitely give a boost to the token deck which replay most of his spells or a great tool to close the game faster with D&T.
Any of the 4 mana Sorin is better then this. I think this is bulk level at the moment.

Sorry I was unclear, I was talking Modern not Legacy.

[morgan_coke]

Modern tokens deck LOVE that white force. A lot of the early one-drop token generators, like say.. Legion's Landing, are crap if you draw 2 of them early. Now that second one basically acts like a Dark Ritual letting you turn it into 3 mana. Same thing with say, a Path to Exile vs. a creatureless deck, or whatever.

This is by far the best pitch cycle we've ever seen. And it's not even close.

[Humphrey]

Fire Breath could in theory also work with Sulfuric Vortex (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiIhLa0n6_iAhUysKQKHXKNBD4Qjhx6BAgBEAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.starcitygames.com%2Fcatalog%2Fmagic_the_gathering%2Fproduct%2F1238968%2F1241524&psig=AOvVaw0ScKTkrSTsEUA4pOHKxGCS&ust=1558618196068830) just fine, but since it also cost 3 its just waaayyy too slow for burn.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

There's already Leyline of Punnishment, which both allows you to kill TNN and lets you play this with all upside.

[Dice_Box]

https://i.redd.it/l2gxuq3rmrz21.jpg

Avultar G
Sorcery - Uncommon
Until end of turn, target creature you control becomes a Wurm with base power and toughness 6/4.
Overload 4GG

Hey Infect...

[Poron]

yeah too bad it’s a sorcery yet you kill with an Invigorate after that

[Poron]

Modern tokens deck LOVE that white force. A lot of the early one-drop token generators, like say.. Legion's Landing, are crap if you draw 2 of them early. Now that second one basically acts like a Dark Ritual letting you turn it into 3 mana. Same thing with say, a Path to Exile vs. a creatureless deck, or whatever.

This is by far the best pitch cycle we've ever seen. And it's not even close.

Force of Will
Bounty of the hunt
Pyrokinesis
Contagion

[Barook]

I like Force of Virtue. Pumps your team and protects you sort of from common sweeper effects based on toughness. Since it sticks around, this can lead to very aggressive starts. Pitching excess legends (or bouncing one with Karakas for combat tricks) is a thing to consider.

[Dice_Box]

"You and what Army?"

https://i.imgur.com/1MymHfG.png

"Oh fuck."

[Cire]

Goblin Engineer as a tutor for Bolas' Citadel? I'm picturing a Goblin Engineer/Welder deck tutoring for and getting important artifacts into play that also runs Carverns on Goblins to protect the combo . . .

[Dice_Box]

https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/a3c24860-4b6f-43ad-a3fb-93dd19a6dee0/Planebound_Accomplice_EN.png

Suggested ways to abuse, Venser and Kaya.

[Cire]

"You and what Army?"

https://i.imgur.com/1MymHfG.png

"Oh fuck."

Oh man! And it's an old school sliver! Not whatever was in M10 !

[Dice_Box]

Oh man! And it's an old school sliver! Not whatever was in M10 !
Not quite, it still only effects your Silvers.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/mh1/en_MMup759GWk.pnghttps://media.wizards.com/2019/mh1/en_0ORaE5NgTd.pnghttps://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/a3c24860-4b6f-43ad-a3fb-93dd19a6dee0/Planebound_Accomplice_EN.png

Slivers are back! Also...Planeswalker Sneak Attack?

[Cire]

Not quite, it still only effects your Silvers.

Well look wise though :smile:

[Mr. Safety]

Fire Breath could in theory also work with Sulfuric Vortex (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiIhLa0n6_iAhUysKQKHXKNBD4Qjhx6BAgBEAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.starcitygames.com%2Fcatalog%2Fmagic_the_gathering%2Fproduct%2F1238968%2F1241524&psig=AOvVaw0ScKTkrSTsEUA4pOHKxGCS&ust=1558618196068830) just fine, but since it also cost 3 its just waaayyy too slow for burn.

It would have to be a Burn/Storm hybrid with red rituals to power out combo pieces. The nice part is the rituals aren't dead after you resolve the enchantment, they will stack up towards a lethal 'storm' count. I think at that point it's closer to Ruby Storm and you'd likely want bigger spells like Fiery Confluence to let your rituals enable more powerful effects.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/mh1/en_MMup759GWk.pnghttps://media.wizards.com/2019/mh1/en_0ORaE5NgTd.pnghttps://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/a3c24860-4b6f-43ad-a3fb-93dd19a6dee0/Planebound_Accomplice_EN.png

Slivers are back! Also...Planeswalker Sneak Attack?
I like how it gives Cascade but then there silver you Cascade into when casting it won't have Cascade.

[Mr. Safety]

Dregscape Sliver has mad synergy with Ashes of the Fallen. You can reanimate a ton of big booty value for every 2 mana. It's on curve, too. T2 Ashes, t3 Dregscape, t4 double fatty. In legacy it's going to be somewhat underwhelming, but in modern it could find a way. It can't do Emrakul or Progenitus, but there is Grizel-turd, other Eldrazi, Worldspine Wurm (pretty nice synergy), and Craterhoof Behemoth.

[Scott]

Two more slivas

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/602/200/283/636941336952883421.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/603/200/283/636941338736751011.png

[rufus]

...
Slivers are back! Also...Planeswalker Sneak Attack?

Aminatou, the Fateshifter/Venser the Sojourner jank incoming.

[Dice_Box]

Hey, DnT!

https://tcgplayer-marketing.s3.amazonaws.com/content/opengraph/MTG-Ranger-Captain-Of-Eos-MH1.png

[Barook]

I like how it gives Cascade but then there silver you Cascade into when casting it won't have Cascade.
Are you sure? You cast the cascaded slivers and it does state "sliver spells", not slivers. Not cascading any further would be totally unintuitive.

As for sneaky Planeswalkers, why not just bring out the big guns?

Edit: Ranger Captain seems like a nice way in Modern to tutor for Giver of Runes. Or anything relevant in Soul Sisters. Lack of evasion and protection is kinda underwhelming in Legacy, though.

Turning off your opponent's removal and counters for crucial turns is also nice, although I don't understand this card design. It's just two unrelated abilities mashed together.

[Dice_Box]

Are you sure? You cast the cascaded slivers and it does state "sliver spells", not slivers. Not cascading any further would be totally unintuitive.
Yea, TFS will not be on the table, so the second will not have Cascade.

[Mr. Safety]

Hey, DnT!

https://tcgplayer-marketing.s3.amazonaws.com/content/opengraph/MTG-Ranger-Captain-Of-Eos-MH1.png

Conveniently fetches up the new Mother variant.

The hype train is real with this set. It feels like when the first Modern Masters set came out, it's that exciting.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://227rsi2stdr53e3wto2skssd7xe-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Capture-4.png
Anyone have an AFFINITY for this card?

[Dice_Box]

Anyone have an AFFINITY for this card?
Come on man, you can construct a better joke than that.

[Barook]

The hype train is real with this set. It feels like when the first Modern Masters set came out, it's that exciting.
Between WAR and this, it appears that the playtest team finally pays off because they brought in seasoned players who actually know what people want/need, instead of pushing out weird shit like unplayable werewolf tribal for their FFL.

@Recombiner: Probably has the most synergy with Walking Ballista and Steel Overseer, but there a few other constructs that are also Eternal-playable. Certainly an interesting card.

[morgan_coke]

Between WAR and this, it appears that the playtest team finally pays off because they brought in seasoned players who actually know what people want/need, instead of pushing out weird shit like unplayable werewolf tribal for their FFL.

I'm still sad that they've had not one, but two werewolf sets and we've got like, half of one playable card out of it.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Are you sure? You cast the cascaded slivers and it does state "sliver spells", not slivers. Not cascading any further would be totally unintuitive.

Yes. When you cascade off The First Sliver, it's on the stack, it's static abilities do not function as per:
604.2. Static abilities create continuous effects, some of which are prevention effects or replacement effects. These effects are active as long as the permanent with the ability remains on the battlefield and has the ability, or as long as the object with the ability remains in the appropriate zone, as described in rule 112.6.

[Barook]

Yes. When you cascade off The First Sliver, it's on the stack, it's static abilities do not function as per:
604.2. Static abilities create continuous effects, some of which are prevention effects or replacement effects. These effects are active as long as the permanent with the ability remains on the battlefield and has the ability, or as long as the object with the ability remains in the appropriate zone, as described in rule 112.6.
Oh, we were talking about different things. You meant the sliver you get from casting The First Sliver itself, which can't cascade. Everything cast after it resolved should have cascade, though.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://227rsi2stdr53e3wto2skssd7xe-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Capture-4.png
Anyone have an AFFINITY for this card?

It can get Ballista and Walker, plus has modular to feed them when it eats itself later to get another.
A fun line will be to have this eat itself to search for another copy of itself.

[Cire]

Planebound Accomplice plus Will Kenrith (whom I totally forgot about) is pretty decent. 2RR and two card combo do draw 2 cards and have all your instants, sorceries and planeswalkers cost 2 less until end of turn.

[H]

Planebound Accomplice plus Will Kenrith (whom I totally forgot about) is pretty decent. 2RR and two card combo do draw 2 cards and have all your instants, sorceries and planeswalkers cost 2 less until end of turn.

You'd also get to search up a Rowan too, if you want to. Not sure she is much worth it though.

[Poron]

https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/a3c24860-4b6f-43ad-a3fb-93dd19a6dee0/Planebound_Accomplice_EN.png

Suggested ways to abuse, Venser and Kaya.

Doubling seasons and all the ultimate (Ugin and so on) that allow you to draw.
The usual red rampage package will then suffice to fuel that

[Cire]

You'd also get to search up a Rowan too, if you want to. Not sure she is much worth it though.

Quick ruling question - can you chain them? Like, can you sneak in the brother, get the sister, sneak in the sister, get another copy of the brother, repeat? If so, you can get lots of cards that way and basically eliminate all colorless mana costs of all your spells. You need a ton of mana to get it started though . . .

[maharis]

As a painter player, I'm intrigued. Now mono red can maybe have a good enough tutor engine that I don't feel dumb for not running ETutor

This seems really good in painter unless I'm missing something. Tutors both halves of the combo, enables the grindstone/painter swap trick just like Welder, can tutor silver bullets for certain MUs (grafdigger's cage, thorn off the top of my head), makes Mox Opal/artifact lands a lot better. 2 toughness, doesn't fizzle if the artifact in play is killed in response to activation. gets around chalice etc. I like it quite a bit.

[H]

Quick ruling question - can you chain them? Like, can you sneak in the brother, get the sister, sneak in the sister, get another copy of the brother, repeat? If so, you can get lots of cards that way and basically eliminate all colorless mana costs of all your spells. You need a ton of mana to get it started though . . .

I think so.


702.123f "Partner with [name]" is a variant of the partner ability. "Partner with [name]" represents two abilities. One is a static ability that modifies the rules for deck construction. Rather than a single legendary creature card, you may designate two legendary creature cards as your commander if each has a "partner with [name]" ability with the other's name. You can't designate two legendary cards as your commander if one has a "partner with [name]" ability and the other isn't the named card. The other ability represented by "partner with [name]" is a triggered ability that means "When this permanent enters the battlefield, target player may search their library for a card named [name], reveal it, put it into their hand, then shuffle their library."

It's just a trigger upon entering the battlefield, so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

[mistercakes]

Doubling seasons and all the ultimate (Ugin and so on) that allow you to draw.
The usual red rampage package will then suffice to fuel that



Some planeswalkers can be blinked right? (with their own ability) is this worth it, didn't want to look on gatherer.

[Poron]

however Show and Tell into Griselbrand is still the dumbest move ever

[H]

Some planeswalkers can be blinked right? (with their own ability) is this worth it, didn't want to look on gatherer.

Venser, the Sojourner
Aminatou, the Fateshifter
Kaya, Ghost Assassin

Are the three, I'm pretty sure. Vensor is the best, because you could keep one, then use it to keep any other 'walker you bring in, plus it actually does other relevant things and is easier to cast in case you need to.

[Fox]

Finally some nice Dreadnought/Stifle cards, even got a playable Trinket Mage with stack control (even though it's white). Also guys stop blinking PWs (the self blinkers aren't even red), this card is all about Stifle.

[Mr. Safety]

It can get Ballista and Walker, plus has modular to feed them when it eats itself later to get another.
A fun line will be to have this eat itself to search for another copy of itself.

Hardened Scales is already a centerpiece of an affinity variant in Modern, this seems to supercharge it in a big way. If Arcbound Worker is good enough for that deck than this new card will be fantastic.

[PirateKing]

You know, when Morophon, the Boundless was spoiled, the scrub in me thought "this would be really good in a Sliver deck"
Now we see The First Sliver, and the scrub in me is strong.

[H]

Hardened Scales is already a centerpiece of an affinity variant in Modern, this seems to supercharge it in a big way. If Arcbound Worker is good enough for that deck than this new card will be fantastic.

Well, I'm not sure just based off the fact that Worker is played. I mean, maybe, but the Arcbound Worker is only in there because there aren't any better 1-drops and the deck need some sort of "velocity."

[Barook]

You know, when Morophon, the Boundless was spoiled, the scrub in me thought "this would be really good in a Sliver deck"
Now we see The First Sliver, and the scrub in me is strong.
Why not just put Morophon into play with Goblin Lackey or Warren Instigator?

[Mr. Safety]

Well, I'm not sure just based off the fact that Worker is played. I mean, maybe, but the Arcbound Worker is only in there because there aren't any better 1-drops and the deck need some sort of "velocity."

All I mean is this: if a 1-drop with modular is good enough for Hardened Scales than a 3-drop with modular that tutors up key cards is definitely going to be good enough. Tutoring Walking Balllista/Hangarback Walker while supporting those synergies will be bonkers for that deck.

[PirateKing]

Venser, the Sojourner
Aminatou, the Fateshifter
Kaya, Ghost Assassin

Are the three, I'm pretty sure. Vensor is the best, because you could keep one, then use it to keep any other 'walker you bring in, plus it actually does other relevant things and is easier to cast in case you need to.

Aminatou can't target herself, so only two.

[H]

Aminatou can't target herself, so only two.

Right, you'd need to have her in play already, then use it on some other 'walker put in, or just double activate the the Accomplice. She does allow double activation of that Planeswalker as well, but I think it' still pretty obviously worse. Even Venser is probably not "Legacy competitive" good, but I guess maybe Modern possibly?

[Purple Blood]

I'm really happy with this set so far. Seems like the new team they have really understands some things about the game. Standard is another example of the recent improvements - the format was so shitty for so long - now there are actually a nice variety of decks to play with and against. WOTC is hitting a bunch of home runs lately.


I'm still sad that they've had not one, but two werewolf sets and we've got like, half of one playable card out of it.

The whole design of flip werewolves is a flop for competitive play. You are an aggro deck that has to take a turn off in order to have your cards be useful. Just doesn't work really. They either have to get a new design in for them or give basically all of them flash.

[rufus]

Quick ruling question - can you chain them? Like, can you sneak in the brother, get the sister, sneak in the sister, get another copy of the brother, repeat? If so, you can get lots of cards that way and basically eliminate all colorless mana costs of all your spells. You need a ton of mana to get it started though . . .

Getting rituals and Past In Flames for R could help a lot with that. Or you can ramp with Chandra and Koth.

[Barook]

Getting rituals and Past In Flames for R could help a lot with that. Or you can ramp with Chandra and Koth.
Or you can just play janky four-card infinite combos (https://twitter.com/volrathxp/status/1131242334560182274)

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Thundering Djinn is unplayably expensive, but it's flavor text is definitely for us older players:

It strikes like a bolt from a brainstorm.

[Purple Blood]

Thundering Djinn is unplayably expensive, but it's flavor text is definitely for us older players:

It's potentially a monster in limited. Love the flavor text :laugh:

[Pittplayer]

Wait. Snow lands, slivers, pitch spells, Urza, actually interesting creatures, a continuation of Future Sight cycles, is someone who actually likes magic designing these cards now? This set is pretty incredible.

[Phoenix Ignition]

Crypt Rats in Modern?

Guess I'm playing a shitty deck with Swarmyard in the near future. And of course Basilisk Collar

:smile:

[Barook]

Thundering Djinn is unplayably expensive, but it's flavor text is definitely for us older players:
Whoever came up with this abortion of a flavor text deserves to be fired on the spot for sheer incompetence.

Not only because it's neither funny nor clever, but technically, you've already drawn at least four cards if you Brainstorm'ed before since the natural draw step also counts. :rolleyes:

[Scott]

74 cards spoiled so far, and I think 51 of them are new.

Rough, quick guesses, broken into two posts for exceeding the image limit. 5 Legacy cards for sure, 8 maybe, 7 maybe maybe, so 20 possible Legacy cards out of 51 new cards; pretty damn good. Not to mention noncompetitive but cool cards:

Sure-fire Legacy cards:

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/594/200/283/636940772219939253.jpeg https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/553/200/283/636939015787573225.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/569/200/283/636939791620446778.jpeg https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/601/200/283/636941167224332898.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/563/200/283/636939624603458776.png

Might be Legacy cards:

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/627/200/283/636941587703144833.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/567/200/283/636939775039559559.jpeg https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/611/200/283/636941452591790777.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/616/200/283/636941455658575407.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/584/200/283/636940587739795863.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/612/200/283/636941453817114507.png

[Scott]

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/614/200/283/636941454848451644.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/617/200/283/636941456928760067.png

Miight be Legacy cards, never know:

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/608/200/283/636941350005680277.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/272/700/200/283/636869945136760861.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/623/200/283/636941577917704890.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/598/200/283/636940965867858141.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/606/200/283/636941343549204209.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/562/200/283/636939622676847425.png https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/273/609/200/283/636941354710704631.png

[Poron]

Also the free +1/+1 flash enchantment against Dread of Night is going to see play in some
SB

[Matsu]

Scale Up
I find it weird the creature becomes 6/4. Why not 6/6? Is the 4 just so it can die to Flame slash or rending volley?

I can definitely see a Combo Red deck with the Sneak attack guy + Cloudstone curio + Chandra torch defiance / Chandra bold pyromancer = infinty mana. Weird but it is working :)
Even in legacy you can go:
turn 1 Tomb + Mox + Accomplice
turn 2 Curio + Mountain + Chandra ->GG

[Poron]

3 cards combo in a world where the best color can SnT Griselbrand without drawback.

Scale Up is definitely an infect card

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Scale Up
I find it weird the creature becomes 6/4. Why not 6/6? Is the 4 just so it can die to Flame slash or rending volley?



Just a reference to Craw Wurm

[Smuggo]

"You and what Army?"

https://i.imgur.com/1MymHfG.png

"Oh fuck."

So I'll probably play this in EDH for one week as any more and everyone in my play group will hate me.

[Zulabnar]

i think that fortunately we will not find any other no brain combo in this edition.

What we are looking for is some good GREEN card for have this color viable in legacy.

Fingers crossing.

[Poron]

every Changeling spell has just become great

[mistercakes]

oops nevermind i'm retarded. :(

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Whoever came up with this abortion of a flavor text deserves to be fired on the spot for sheer incompetence.

Not only because it's neither funny nor clever, but technically, you've already drawn at least four cards if you Brainstorm'ed before since the natural draw step also counts. :rolleyes:
Lol, it turns brainstorms into bolts you goober. That's literally what the ability does when the cards are combined.

[spirit of the wretch]

Does Scale Up work in Infect?
What I mean is, will the Wurm still keep other abilities it had before, like unblockable, or flying? And of course Infect ;)

It should, right?

[aedemiel]

Does Scale Up work in Infect?
What I mean is, will the Wurm still keep other abilities it had before, like unblockable, or flying? And of course Infect ;)

It should, right?

It does.

[Tylert]

Does Scale Up work in Infect?
What I mean is, will the Wurm still keep other abilities it had before, like unblockable, or flying? And of course Infect ;)

It should, right?

It's not written. Usually spells like that do add a line to say that the creature keeps its abilities, or looses all abilities....
My guess would be it does not keep it.

[Mr. Safety]

Anybody else digging the grizzly bear Seismic Assault? The mana would be very difficult to pull off with Seismic alongside this, but damn, that is a GR Loam/Assault deck in the making. And we already have a GR dual cycle land that exists.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Anybody else digging the grizzly bear Seismic Assault? The mana would be very difficult to pull off with Seismic alongside this, but damn, that is a GR Loam/Assault deck in the making. And we already have a GR dual cycle land that exists.
Ursinesmic Assault ala ballbreakER.dec

[Tylert]

Anybody else digging the grizzly bear Seismic Assault? The mana would be very difficult to pull off with Seismic alongside this, but damn, that is a GR Loam/Assault deck in the making. And we already have a GR dual cycle land that exists.

Isn't making a 2/2 less good than dealing 2 directly (most of the time)?

[aCatNamedBootsy]

Anybody else digging the grizzly bear Seismic Assault? The mana would be very difficult to pull off with Seismic alongside this, but damn, that is a GR Loam/Assault deck in the making. And we already have a GR dual cycle land that exists.

It could be a decent plan B out of the board for BG Depths. At least I'm willing to give it a try there.

[Michael Keller]

every Changeling spell has just become great

I’m ready for Didgeridoo. Run that shit with Karn and one in the board with some crazy shenanigans.

[Megadeus]

Isn't making a 2/2 less good than dealing 2 directly (most of the time)?

A 2/2 can deal more than 2 damage if it gets to attack twice. I just wish it made wolves instead so my Master of the Wild Hunt could fuck up some Griselbrands or Emrakuls

[jmlima]

Wait. Snow lands, slivers, pitch spells, Urza, actually interesting creatures, a continuation of Future Sight cycles, is someone who actually likes magic designing these cards now? This set is pretty incredible.

I think it would be cool if they placed this set in arena and used it as a way to enrich the MTG Arena Extended Constructed format presumably coming post-rotation...

[Dice_Box]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/mh1/en_JlpwW0gXcM.png https://media.wizards.com/2019/mh1/en_VCPTVq7eAe.png https://media.wizards.com/2019/mh1/en_YmKd8LDXha.png

This set is gold.

[H]

The Bear being a Bear and a Bear is just fantastic.

[Gheizen64]

White beast within seems nice. Would call of the herd even be played in modern nowadays?

Now they only Need to print a wasteland analogue and modern will really feel like old time Legacy. A snow variant with a snow mana activation possibly, so that it work best in mono-color decks and doesn't Simply go in 3 color tempo. I really love the new snow manland as well.

[PirateKing]

Surprised that Umezawa's Charm didn't get a last minute update to push it and make it say "Choose two. You may choose the same mode more than once."
Then it would be consistent both in flavor and oopsie power level

[ReAnimator]

White beast within seems nice. Would call of the herd even be played in modern nowadays?

Call of the Heard is Timeshifted. So it's been legal in Modern since the format's inception.

[Barook]

Lol, it turns brainstorms into bolts you goober. That's literally what the ability does when the cards are combined.
That was the intent of the flavor text, except Thundering Djinn + Brainstorm deals 4 damage, which is no Lightning Bolt. It's a flavor fail.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

That was the intent of the flavor text, except Thundering Djinn + Brainstorm deals 4 damage, which is no Lightning Bolt. It's a flavor fail.
Sure, if you want to be intentionally dense about it and ignore the fact it's +3 damage and only look at the total.

[Barook]

Sure, if you want to be intentionally dense about it and ignore the fact it's +3 damage and only look at the total.
I'm far from being the only one who has the exact problem with it if you look at social media.

I'm just hating on a shitty flavor text. And no, just references to two old, iconic cards in a poorly constructed, awful sounding sentence alone is NOT good flavor, yet people gobble it up anyway. Nostalgia shouldn't be an excuse for crap. But hey, I member! :rolleyes:

/rant

Back to topic:

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/splicersskill.jpg

That's an interesting take on splicing. Hopefully we're going to see more of that in the future.

[Mr. Safety]

I'm far from being the only one who has the exact problem with it if you look at social media.

I'm just hating on a shitty flavor text. And no, just references to two old, iconic cards in a poorly constructed, awful sounding sentence alone is NOT good flavor, yet people gobble it up anyway. Nostalgia shouldn't be an excuse for crap. But hey, I member! :rolleyes:

/rant

Back to topic:

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/splicersskill.jpg

That's an interesting take on splicing. Hopefully we're going to see more of that in the future.

Taking away the arcane sub-type might actually put some cards into the realm of 'playable'.

I predict that red = threaten, green = rampant growth, blue = boomerang but non-land, black = Coercion

EDIT: Umezawa's Charm seems to be just short of good. Flavor? Incredible. Power level? Should have gotten 'choose 2' like PirateKing said above.

[Mr. Safety]

It could be a decent plan B out of the board for BG Depths. At least I'm willing to give it a try there.

If I may, I think it would only work in the Mox Diamond/Loam lists. I play the ESG/Lotus Petal version and I wouldn't touch this for that deck with a 20 ft stick. Bitterblossom is just leagues better for that strategy.

[Smuggo]

Splice without the arcane restriction might make it playable but probably still only in EDH (where I've thus far never seen anyone splice anything in years of play).

[morgan_coke]

Man, that Generous Gift sure is a White Elephant.
...
I'll see myself out.

[rufus]

Splice without the arcane restriction might make it playable but probably still only in EDH (where I've thus far never seen anyone splice anything in years of play).

People do splice Desperate Ritual and Through the Breach occasionally.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Modern only has 16 existing bears, and there's what 4 bears on the way? That's a 25% increase in total bears.

[morgan_coke]

Modern only has 16 existing bears, and there's what 4 bears on the way? That's a 25% increase in total bears.

That's Bearly enough to take note of.

[Cire]

Modern only has 16 existing bears, and there's what 4 bears on the way? That's a 25% increase in total bears.

Also, this new common bear (is powerful or a common) is a really cute story

https://mobile.twitter.com/mtg_tower/status/1131592271026040832

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Also, this new common bear (is powerful or a common) is a really cute story

https://mobile.twitter.com/mtg_tower/status/1131592271026040832

Being birthed from your mother's corpse sounds more metal than cute to me but YMMV.

[PirateKing]

Being birthed from your mother's corpse sounds more metal than cute to me but YMMV.
Fur on the outside and darkness within

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/4bthgtmi00031.png
Serendib + one-shot Bazaar activation? This card is weird.

[itslarryyo]

Of course blue gets a 3/4 flyer for 2u.
Oh and a cool ability.

[Finn]

Makes me want to revisit Madness as a deck.

[H]

Makes me want to revisit Madness as a deck.

Also, something to consider for future implications if they expand on Hollow One's design space.

[Gheizen64]

petal, tomb, bazaar, discard two vengevines and a walla, play 2 hollow ones EZ

Add in an anger and a mountain somewhere and u got an otk

[Glass House]

https://i.redd.it/4bthgtmi00031.png
Serendib + one-shot Bazaar activation? This card is weird.

Sea Stompy with this and Hollow One?

[ronco]

Sea Stompy with this and Hollow One?

LED Dredge? Granted a bit high on the curve but if the deck stalls out this could give it a boost to get going again and also be fodder for therapy.

[Fox]

LED Dredge? Granted a bit high on the curve but if the deck stalls out this could give it a boost to get going again and also be fodder for therapy.

It’s 3x as much cost and only half as effective as Breakthrough, which they don’t play 4x iirc.

Also gonna have to take a moment to point out Squandered Resources as having way better flavor text, that they tried to rip off with Bazaar Trademage.

[the Thin White Duke]

Dude! Red juzam djinn at unc.
Thats cool.

That is all.

[Glass House]

Also gonna have to take a moment to point out Squandered Resources as having way better flavor text, that they tried to rip off with Bazaar Trademage.

It is clearly referencing Arabian Nights cards like Aladdin's Lamp, Aladdin's Ring and Flying Carpet (don't know what the scepter is supposed to be). Is it a rip off because both texts follow similar structure? Its flavor is of being in a bazaar, so of course it is going to talk about trading... And it doesn't even feature the cyclical order of Resources (he starts with sand and ends with sand), which is the entire point of that flavor text. The point of Trademage's flavor text is just to namedrop references.
So yeah, I'm not seeing any rip offs. Both texts have entirely different goals.

[KobeBryan]

https://i.redd.it/4bthgtmi00031.png
Serendib + one-shot Bazaar activation? This card is weird.

someone abuse this with riptide academy

[Gheizen64]

New mox spoiled, no casting cost, suspend 3, like lotus bloom. Think it's much worse than bloom because suspend was a better fit for a combo deck that wanted to combo out on 4 with a mana burst, but a mox on T4 is very rarely better than just drawing your fourth land. Should've had suspend 2 tbh, so it would've accellerated you from 3 to 4 mana, which is comparable to a stone/growth.

[Glass House]

New mox spoiled, no casting cost, suspend 3, like lotus bloom. Think it's much worse than bloom because suspend was a better fit for a combo deck that wanted to combo out on 4 with a mana burst, but a mox on T4 is very rarely better than just drawing your fourth land. Should've had suspend 2 tbh, so it would've accellerated you from 3 to 4 mana, which is comparable to a stone/growth.

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/moxtantalite.jpg

Here you go.

[Matsu]

Are they really pushing Blue over the top?
The picture of the mox is amazing, so bad it is suspend 3. I would like to see a different number.

[Begle1]

Are they really pushing Blue over the top?
The picture of the mox is amazing, so bad it is suspend 3. I would like to see a different number.

I don't expect anybody is ever going to actually suspend the thing... I suspect that for the decks that are going to fool around with it, the Suspend value ought as well be 7.

[Rood]

I think the basic fetchland is going to impact eternal formats drastically...you can essentially run 8 on colored fetchlands now and run a ton of basics. Wasteland is going to take a hit by this card being printed. Also the new Force looks pretty sweet. That new black instant speed sweeper is a RiP to elves/D&T possibly. I could see decks definitely using it it's awesome.

[Scott]

I think the basic fetchland is going to impact eternal formats drastically...you can essentially run 8 on colored fetchlands now and run a ton of basics. Wasteland is going to take a hit by this card being printed. Also the new Force looks pretty sweet. That new black instant speed sweeper is a RiP to elves/D&T possibly. I could see decks definitely using it it's awesome.

I'm curious myself: have any pilots of 2-color, basics-playing decks that run additional off-color fetches (I'm assuming that'll be the first place Prismatic Vista would slot in) goldfished with Prismatic Vista to see how it feels? re: being able to fetch basics more reliably vs. sometimes not having the option of duals or basics

Looking at you, Miracles, U/R Delver, Stoneblade, Sneak & Show, Maverick, Reanimator, Deadguy, B/G Nic Fit, and G/W Enchantress players.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.imgur.com/pNqF2T4.png
Underwhelming, but here for the sake of completeness.