Modern Horizons Spoilers

[Fox]

If nothing else it looks like both tokens are told to die by a single trigger, so a single Stifle keeps both on board.

[Scott]

Galerider Sliver and Heart Sliver in one

https://i.imgur.com/yIukRko.jpg

[Glass House]

https://i.imgur.com/pNqF2T4.png
Underwhelming, but here for the sake of completeness.
Oh wow. I was expecting red to get the short end of the stick but I think they didn't even get any stick at all.


Galerider Sliver and Heart Sliver in one

https://i.imgur.com/yIukRko.jpg
This, on the other hand, is super sweet.

[Michael Keller]

https://i.imgur.com/pNqF2T4.png
Underwhelming, but here for the sake of completeness.

Seems awful.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I'm curious myself: have any pilots of 2-color, basics-playing decks that run additional off-color fetches (I'm assuming that'll be the first place Prismatic Vista would slot in) goldfished with Prismatic Vista to see how it feels? re: being able to fetch basics more reliably vs. sometimes not having the option of duals or basics

Looking at you, Miracles, U/R Delver, Stoneblade, Sneak & Show, Maverick, Reanimator, Deadguy, B/G Nic Fit, and G/W Enchantress players.

Yeah, but if you're running four fetches you're now probably going to run fewer just for that odd time you encounter spyglass

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Calling them all force was bad too. It's like admitting the other four we a mistake. When they did the double pitch cycle they weren't all called the same.

[Scott]

Yeah, but if you're running four fetches you're now probably going to run fewer just for that odd time you encounter spyglass

I'm talking about 2-color decks that run 4 perfect fetches and additional off-color fetches.

For example, a U/R Delver deck that runs 4 Scalding Tarn, 3 Island, 1 Mountain, 2 Volcanic Island, and 4 fetches like Flooded Strand and Bloodstained Mire.

In a deck like that, you're keeping the 4 Scalding Tarn, but deciding between replacing any of the Flooded Strand and Bloodstained Mire with Prismatic Vista.

[Purple Blood]

https://i.imgur.com/pNqF2T4.png
Underwhelming, but here for the sake of completeness.

Does this make burn any faster? It could produce more T3 kills. This is basically Fireblast for Modern.

[GenghisTom]

Does this make burn any faster? It could produce more T3 kills. This is basically Fireblast for Modern.

The free cast mode doesn't allow the player to attack with the tokens. If you want to attack with them you'll have to pay 3 mana and cast on your own turn.

[mistercakes]

i think it's actually a decent card. it might not make the cut for legacy, but being able block some guys when you're tapped out could be fine. might be playable with some other cards that help them stick around, or maybe deal some damage upon entering play.

i'm pretty okay with 6 damage for 3 mana. again, prob not good enough legacy, but i think it will find some play.

[Purple Blood]

The free cast mode doesn't allow the player to attack with the tokens. If you want to attack with them you'll have to pay 3 mana and cast on your own turn.

Wow I didn't catch that. That's pretty special. So its basically an offensive card that can only be used defensively. Makes no sense.

[sco0ter]

Wow I didn't catch that. That's pretty special. So its basically an offensive card that can only be used defensively. Makes no sense.

Agreed. Pretty dumb design failure.

[Megadeus]

The only upside I really see is that you can tap out for a Planeswalker and this can kind of protect it until your next untap.

[Barook]

Holy shit, they printed an upgraded, one-sided E-Plague with legs. :eek:

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/plagueengineer.jpg

[Dice_Box]

Human, I'm naming Human. A lot.

[Megadeus]

Fuckin A. This set is fucking nuts

[Barook]

Human, I'm naming Human. A lot.
It's also great vs Elves as they have a significantly harder time to kill a creature than an enchantment. Bonus points for protecting it with Mom to make them cry bitch tears.

Other good targets are Elemental (Young Pyromancer, if there are too many), Goblin tokens from EtW, or Merfolk to kill TNN.

I can see it replacing Orzhov Pontiff in Wb D&T due to a stronger body, easier casting cost and longer-lasting effect to keep the board clear, even if it can't catch everything in one go.

[jmlima]

Fuckin A. This set is fucking nuts

Players of Modern disagree:

https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/806312-modern-horizons-discussion-thread?page=23

(but, aside eldrazi winter, when have they agreed with anything?)

[Dice_Box]

Wow. That salt.

It's a set full of sweet cards and only has two walkers, so it's going to be fucking sick as a limited format. Maybe we just like the throwbacks it has more? But really, this and War? RnD has been on fire.

[Smuggo]

Players of Modern disagree:

https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/806312-modern-horizons-discussion-thread?page=23

(but, aside eldrazi winter, when have they agreed with anything?)

They seem to be upset that the set isn't just allowing them to play legacy with shocklands.

[Matsu]

https://i.imgur.com/TK5Vsfa.jpg

Hexdrinker
level 3-7 pro instant
level 8+ pro everything

If translation correct.
As a Nic Fit player i am pretty hyped for the head of Progenitus :D

[Barook]

:3::g: (which is splitable) for a 4/4 with pro instants is pretty good, considering pretty much all spot removal spells (aside from Edicts) are instants. DIY Mini-Progenitus is just the icing on the cake.

[mistercakes]

Human, I'm naming Human. A lot.

I'm naming. Merfolk... Or rogue. Or both.

[joven]

They seem to be upset that the set isn't just allowing them to play legacy with shocklands.

Really? If they want that, then they should strive to make No-RL-Legacy a thing instead of trying to change Modern or Legacy.
I would still expect that a lot of Modern players will be sad when suddenly a lot of the childish combos aren't viable anymore because of the new countermagic.

[Mr. Safety]

Seems awful.

EDIT: regarding Force of Rage

Ehhh...it's not great, but it likely will serve a specific role: this thing can kill Tarmogoyfs while not being dead otherwise. The rate is still pretty good, it's a Ball Lightning split over 2 bodies. Designed for Modern, not legacy.

[Mr. Safety]

https://i.redd.it/4bthgtmi00031.png
Serendib + one-shot Bazaar activation? This card is weird.

This will singlehandedly unite Vengevine and Hollow One. It's better than Cathartic Reunion because it's a creature to help trigger Vengevines. I'm on board with this janky stuff. It makes me want to get brewing for modern:

4x Insolent Neonate
4x Birds of Paradise
4x Bazaar Trademage
4x Vengevine
4x Hollow One
4x Burning-Tree Emissary
4x Reckless Bushwhacker
3x Hooting Mandrills

4x Faithless Looting
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Izzet Charm

4x Scalding Tarn
4x Wooded Foothills
1x Misty Rainforest
2x Steam Vents
2x Stomping Ground
1x Breeding Pool
1x Forest
1x Island
1x Mountain
1x Desolate Lighthouse

[Mr. Safety]

Really? If they want that, then they should strive to make No-RL-Legacy a thing instead of trying to change Modern or Legacy.
I would still expect that a lot of Modern players will be sad when suddenly a lot of the childish combos aren't viable anymore because of the new countermagic.

I love this post, I bolded the best part. While this is definitely a source of salt it's also the reason many players hate the format/haven't bought in yet. Unavoidable one-sided bullshit isn't a path to a healthy format.

As a sometimes modern player this set has done more to motivate me to get into the format more than anything else, save the first Modern Masters set. And that set was what made me (foolishly) sell out of legacy staples to buy into modern.

[H]

They seem to be upset that the set isn't just allowing them to play legacy with shocklands.

Maybe I wasn't reading what was said correctly, but it seemed to me to be something of the "opposite" sentiment. They seem to want a slow, highly interactive format made out of Modern. I'd guess the "ideal" there is some sort of "Standard" version of Modern? Where everything is slow, nothing is all that powerful and it's like a "Rock'em Sock'em Robots" match?

It doesn't really make any sense, because part of the allure of "non-rotating formats" is getting to play the "best of the best" cards, which is necessarily a constrictive exercise in and of itself. And a byproduct of that will naturally be some level of "uninteractive" play, because of the dyanamic spread. Which, as far as I understand it, is actually one of the "allures" of Modern, how it's sort of a "Wild West" where all sorts of things can "go."

[Megadeus]

I'm naming. Merfolk... Or rogue. Or both.

Plague Engineer making Merfolk Rogue. Sick. Almost as good as the guy locally playing Maverick who named Cat Wizard with his Cavern. I wonder what card he was about to cast?

[H]

Plague Engineer making Merfolk Rogue. Sick. Almost as good as the guy locally playing Maverick who named Cat Wizard with his Cavern. I wonder what card he was about to cast?

Should have went with Sand or Brushwagg. N00bs.

Speaking of which, why hasn't there been a Brushwagg in this set yet? :mad:

[PirateKing]

Speaking of which, why hasn't there been a Brushwagg in this set yet? :mad:

Changelings brah, 'sall good

Modern players getting upset over this set is just icing on what is an exciting set. Lots of cards to make lots of decks with.

[H]

Changelings brah, 'sall good

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. :rolleyes:

Give me my legitimate birthright of a "Creature - Sand Brushwagg" which they woefully deprived us of in Amonkhet, without the bullshit, k, plz, thx. :wink:

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

The new Cat Lord gives +2/+1, just proving the point that all kings are evil.

[Mr. Safety]

Modern players getting upset over this set is just icing on what is an exciting set.

Come now, we aren't all pathetic losers...I mean I am, but don't judge them all by me...lol. I think this might, might actually inspire some Legacy players to diversify into modern. If this set doesn't do it, nothing will short of Legacy being dissolved as a format.

[Bithlord]

Ehhh...it's not great, but it likely will serve a specific role: this thing can kill Tarmogoyfs while not being dead otherwise. The rate is still pretty good, it's a Ball Lightning split over 2 bodies. Designed for Modern, not legacy.

I'm having trouble seeing how a ball lightning split over 2 bodies is passable, even for legacy (edit: meant to say even for modern). Free mode can never be used to attack, and as a removal spell, I'd rather just have two bolts.

It's a solid "do nothing, dollar bin if that" card.

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/JMbPBYE.jpg

Surprisingly decent, honestly.

[Bosque]

The new Cat Lord gives +2/+1, just proving the point that all kings are evil.

The flavor text for this is great, serious callback to mirage block.

[rufus]

...
It's a solid "do nothing, dollar bin if that" card.

Mostly, I agree. It's slightly better than ball lighting in some situations since it can be copied as a spell, flashed back, cost reduced by Baral/Electromancer, and counts for Arclight Phoenix.

Maybe it was originally possible to attack after pitching for the elementals but it got castrated by development.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Red:
- It will involve damage because WotC can't design red cards worth shit. My money is on a emergency sweeper, aka a Cave-In variant.

If only!

[Ace/Homebrew]

Plague Engineer making Merfolk Rogue. Sick. Almost as good as the guy locally playing Maverick who named Cat Wizard with his Cavern. I wonder what card he was about to cast?
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/89/a5/39/89a539c9d0e7c2c75bbbc53b8888f6d9.jpg

[ReAnimator]

https://i.imgur.com/JMbPBYE.jpg

Surprisingly decent, honestly.

First turn off of a Mox Diamond seems insane. Pings down a ton of relevant creatures, recycles cycle lands or wastelands. This is Incredibly strong.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://twitter.com/MagicOnline/status/1131968108594384897

Not 100% sure how to host the image. This card is really interesting.

Unbound Flourishing
G2, Enchantment
Whenever you cast a permanent spell with a mana cost that contains X, double the value of X.

Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell OR activate an ability, if that spell's mana cost or that ability's activation cost contains X, copy that spell or ability. You may choose new targets for the copy.

[H]

https://twitter.com/MagicOnline/status/1131968108594384897

Not 100% sure how to host the image. This card is really interesting.

Unbound Flourishing
G2, Enchantment
Whenever you cast a permanent spell with a mana cost that contains X, double the value of X.

Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell OR activate an ability, if that spell's mana cost or that ability's activation cost contains X, copy that spell or ability. You may choose new targets for the copy.

I got you fam.

https://i.imgur.com/ZV1G0g5.png

[morgan_coke]

I really, really like the "Loam or Ping" two mana planeswalker. Tibalt looks at that guy and just cries salty tears of sadness.

[H]

First turn off of a Mox Diamond seems insane. Pings down a ton of relevant creatures, recycles cycle lands or wastelands. This is Incredibly strong.

Yeah, the more I think about this card, the more I like it. Kind of hope it's price isn't bucu-bucu dollars...

[rufus]

...

Not 100% sure how to host the image. This card is really interesting.

Unbound Flourishing
G2, Enchantment
Whenever you cast a permanent spell with a mana cost that contains X, double the value of X.

Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell OR activate an ability, if that spell's mana cost or that ability's activation cost contains X, copy that spell or ability. You may choose new targets for the copy.

My jank senses are tingling, but how many X cards there that are good without it?

[Barook]

First turn off of a Mox Diamond seems insane. Pings down a ton of relevant creatures, recycles cycle lands or wastelands. This is Incredibly strong.
It's a one-time use per turn CoW that can be damaged, but only costs 2 mana. The alternate modes just make it even better.

Assuming you can ult in a grindy game, things are becoming ugly for your opponent. Loam with Retrace is just bullshit².

[H]

My jank senses are tingling, but how many X cards there that are good without it?

Being in Green gets you GSZ or the new Finale of Devastation.

Permanents though are mostly not Green though, Walking Ballista, Hangerback Walker, Endless One (I guess). Can't think of any activated abilities that get run, maybe that new Arkbow?

[BenBleiweiss]

My jank senses are tingling, but how many X cards there that are good without it?

In General (cards relevant to Legacy in Bold)

SPELLS/CREATURES WITH X
Astral Cornocopia
Banefire
Blazing Shoal
Bonfire of the Damned
Braingeyser
Breakthrough
Chalice of the Void (Nooooo!)
Chord of Calling
Conflagrate
Death Cloud
Decree of Justice (on both ends)
Dominate
Earthquake
Endless One
Epic Experiment
Finale of Devastation (All 5 of them, because X > 10)
Firecat Blitz
Genesis Hydra
Genesis Wave
Green Sun's Zenith
Grenzo, Dungeon Garden
Hangarback Walker
Hurricane
Hydroid Krasis
Increasing Confusion
Kaervek's Torch
Logic Knot
Martial Coup
Mikaeus, the Lunarch
Mind Twist
Mistcutter Hydra
New Frontiers
Nissa, Steward of Elements
Nourishing Shoal
Postmortem Lunge
Profane Command
Pull from Tomorrow
Quarantine Field
Rakdos's Return
Rally the Ancestors
Recall
Repeal
Reshape
Rolling Earthquake
Sealed Fate
Shining Shoal
Sickening Shoal
Skeletal Scrying
Sphinx's Revelation
Squall Line
Stir the Grave
Stroke of Genius
Subterranean Tremors
Torment of Hailfire
Ugin's Conjurant
Uncage the Menagerie
Vastwood Hydra
Villainous Wealth
Walking Ballista
Wargate
Weird Harvest
Whir of Invention
Wildest Dreams

[PirateKing]

My mind went to Candelabra and it's Magus version as well.
Always thought a GSZ for Magus of the Candelabra with 12-post & Primeval Titan would be fun.

[BenBleiweiss]

EFFECTS WITH X (Legacy Relevant ones in BOLD)
Blast Zone
Cabal Interrogator
Candelabra of Tawnos
Citanul Flute
Crypt Rats
Deepfire Elemental
Floodwater Dam
Geth, Lord of the Vault
Gorilla Shaman
Helix Pinnacle
Helm of Obedience
Hex Parasite
Illusionary Mask
Kessig Wolf Run
Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero
Magus of the Candelabra
Mishra's Helix
Nebuchandnezzar
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Orcish Settlers
Panoptic Mirror
Plaguebearer
Snake Basket
Soul Foundry
Venifact Bottle
Vivien's Arkbow
War Tax

[Rascalyote]

It's also great vs Elves as they have a significantly harder time to kill a creature than an enchantment. Bonus points for protecting it with Mom to make them cry bitch tears.

Other good targets are Elemental (Young Pyromancer, if there are too many), Goblin tokens from EtW, or Merfolk to kill TNN.

I can see it replacing Orzhov Pontiff in Wb D&T due to a stronger body, easier casting cost and longer-lasting effect to keep the board clear, even if it can't catch everything in one go.

Rogue to kill TNN, as that also kills bitterblossom tokens ;3.

This card and Wren seems insane.

[mistercakes]

Plague Engineer making Merfolk Rogue. Sick. Almost as good as the guy locally playing Maverick who named Cat Wizard with his Cavern. I wonder what card he was about to cast?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/c1/06/bcc106c8dfaa88542b5d36cf9ac96347.jpg

[mistercakes]

I got you fam.

https://i.imgur.com/ZV1G0g5.png

not sure if useful,

tezzeret the seeker

painter's servant + grindstone + 3 mana = mill opponent.
mesmeric orb + basalt monolith = mill yourself
rings of brighthearth + grim monolith or basalt monolith = infinite colorless mana.
trinisphere + winter orb + soft lock

i'm sure there's a lot more, but those are the ones i could think of without too much effort.

[H]

not sure if useful,

tezzeret the seeker

painter's servant + grindstone + 3 mana = mill opponent.
mesmeric orb + basalt monolith = mill yourself
rings of brighthearth + grim monolith or basalt monolith = infinite colorless mana.
trinisphere + winter orb + soft lock

i'm sure there's a lot more, but those are the ones i could think of without too much effort.

I don't think it works for Tezz's ability, because it says X in a circle, that is Gereric Mana cost, not just an X.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/insurd20g7031.jpg

Also, the new Green mythic doesn't work with Planeswalkers (the symbol on the card is a mana activation, not a generic X like the first one on the card)

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/11xsv33cg7031.png
Ok, THIS one might have legs.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/luovrkg4h7031.png

Well then

[H]

Well then

Poor Disenchant, replaced by something with that bad of art...

Even Naturalize has better art.

[Barook]

Green just got an upgraded Naturalize. And adding colors to Disenchant does nothing. I just don't see the benefit of this, even if it makes sense as a hybrid card.

The blue charm is interesting, altough UUU is pretty tough. What are good targets to steal? Vial? Delver? Tapped Moms? Moxen? Noble Hierarch?

[Wilkin]

Green just got an upgraded Naturalize. And adding colors to Disenchant does nothing. I just don't see the benefit of this, even if it makes sense as a hybrid card.

The blue charm is interesting, altough UUU is pretty tough. What are good targets to steal? Vial? Delver? Tapped Moms? Moxen? Noble Hierarch?

Marit lage token

[Qweerios]

Green just got an upgraded Naturalize. And adding colors to Disenchant does nothing. I just don't see the benefit of this, even if it makes sense as a hybrid card.

The blue charm is interesting, altough UUU is pretty tough. What are good targets to steal? Vial? Delver? Tapped Moms? Moxen? Noble Hierarch?

I think the most obvious target is Marrit Lage, with the usual UR cards like Delver, Pteramander and Lavaman. Otherwise it's a Counterspell when you're ahead and a Divination when you need something.

[rufus]

Green just got an upgraded Naturalize. And adding colors to Disenchant does nothing. I just don't see the benefit of this, even if it makes sense as a hybrid card.

The blue charm is interesting, altough UUU is pretty tough. What are good targets to steal? Vial? Delver? Tapped Moms? Moxen? Noble Hierarch?

Wurmcoil tokens aren't terrible. Does it usefully mess with LED?

[Bithlord]

Green just got an upgraded Naturalize.

The rules text is literally identical to naturalize, how did green get an upgrade?

[Barook]

The rules text is literally identical to naturalize, how did green get an upgrade?
Return to Nature from WAR is strictly better than Naturalize.

[PirateKing]

The rules text is literally identical to naturalize, how did green get an upgrade?

Return to Nature from WAR

[Bithlord]

Return to Nature from WAR

Gotcha. I thought the reference was to the newly spoiled card and was confused.

[Megadeus]

It's a naturalize that can be found off of glittering wish! Found out how it's gonna be played

[whienot]

Return to Nature from WAR is strictly better than Naturalize.

Naturalize is unaffected by Gloom. :tongue:

[Barook]

Naturalize is unaffected by Gloom. :tongue:
So is Return to Nature.

[Matsu]

https://i.imgur.com/JMbPBYE.jpg

Surprisingly decent, honestly.

This, turn one in 4C Loam or Lands, maybe in some Red Maverick variants will be amazing and if you add Tireless tracker. Oh Boy.

This set is surprisingly cool.

[Barook]

This, turn one in 4C Loam or Lands, maybe in some Red Maverick variants will be amazing and if you add Tireless tracker. Oh Boy.

This set is surprisingly cool.
With T1 Mox Diamond, it should be quite easy to get a T2 Wastelock going.

[Fox]

This, turn one in 4C Loam or Lands, maybe in some Red Maverick variants will be amazing and if you add Tireless tracker. Oh Boy.

This set is surprisingly cool.

Between this card and Cindervines, Thresh has all it needs to finally drop Goyf and become one with the trolling. Much better fits in the Delver shell imo.

[Qweerios]

Between this card and Cindervines, Thresh has all it needs to finally drop Goyf and become one with the trolling. Much better fits in the Delver shell imo.

I completely agree. Hexdrinker is another one I feel surpasses Goyf and Ptera for Thresh!

[Zombie]

Just a note, unless I'm misunderstanding Hexdrinker, you have to be able to protect it until you get the level ups resolved, since those are normal activated abilities and use the stack so it's not quite a turbo-Mongoose even if it is probably good for taking Goyf's job.

[Purple Blood]

Maybe I wasn't reading what was said correctly, but it seemed to me to be something of the "opposite" sentiment. They seem to want a slow, highly interactive format made out of Modern. I'd guess the "ideal" there is some sort of "Standard" version of Modern? Where everything is slow, nothing is all that powerful and it's like a "Rock'em Sock'em Robots" match?

It doesn't really make any sense, because part of the allure of "non-rotating formats" is getting to play the "best of the best" cards, which is necessarily a constrictive exercise in and of itself. And a byproduct of that will naturally be some level of "uninteractive" play, because of the dyanamic spread. Which, as far as I understand it, is actually one of the "allures" of Modern, how it's sort of a "Wild West" where all sorts of things can "go."

Think there's a balance between the speed of Standard (which as an aside is actually pretty fun right now) and what has occurred in Modern over the last X amount of years which pretty much amounts to a linear format where decks get the ban hammer multiple times a year because defensive strategies cannot keep up with the power level.

[whienot]

So is Return to Nature.

My mistake. There's herp in my derp.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/bzx7ma0of8031.png

[Final Fortune]

This set is starting to feel like Urza's Saga all over again, I can't believe how many outright good cards are being released at once and there are cards left to go ...

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Just a note, unless I'm misunderstanding Hexdrinker, you have to be able to protect it until you get the level ups resolved, since those are normal activated abilities and use the stack so it's not quite a turbo-Mongoose even if it is probably good for taking Goyf's job.

This is correct.

[Fox]

Sometimes you just want to know what is going on over at R&D. You want to make a Sword of "Truth and Justice." You know it will be played by Vial decks. You have Sword that gives Proliferate...in a deck with Vial....so that they can cheat out uncastable cmcs. This is "Truth and Justice" how exactly. It's fascinating.

[Lava Snacks]

This set is starting to feel like Urza's Saga all over again, I can't believe how many outright good cards are being released at once and there are cards left to go ...

I was legit just about to post: make the art and frame more aesthetic, and overlooking the lack of a cool single setting and story, and this feels like Urza's Saga.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/lessermasticore.jpg

Vial? Although at an activation cost of :4:, it competes with Walking Ballista.

Edit: Aside from being Pro Miracles, what are applications for the new sword? I feel like between Thrummingbird, Guildpact Informant, Grateful Apparition and this, there might be a critical mass reached to support cards like Parallax Wave/Tide, Tangle Wire or just good ol' Walking Ballista. Supercharging Planeswalkers or Jitte might also work.

[Qweerios]

Just a note, unless I'm misunderstanding Hexdrinker, you have to be able to protect it until you get the level ups resolved, since those are normal activated abilities and use the stack so it's not quite a turbo-Mongoose even if it is probably good for taking Goyf's job.

It's also a 2/1 on T1 in a Delver deck so it can dish out some damage quickly. Having to spend another 3 mana to make it a 4/4 Mongoose is pretty reasonable. The super TNN mode is relevant in a board stall.

[Barook]

Between Scrapyard Recombiner and Sword of Truth of Justice, isn't that a major boost to Hardened Scales Affinity?

[Pittplayer]

I'm loving Modern Horizons, maybe the best MTG set since Time Spiral. I love the power level, I love the creativity, I love all the call backs to older cards/sets. I just have one request WOTC. Just one thing to make this set the complete love letter to MTG that it should be. Can I get a new Smallpox type card for my Pox deck? If WOTC is going to make any more Pox type cards, it has to be in a non-standard set. Come on Wizards...

[Matsu]

https://i.redd.it/bzx7ma0of8031.png

I call it. This card will go in every Robots deck in all formats.
This with ballista, ravager, hardened scale, all the modular crits. Omg, it might push Legacy Steel Stompy and Modern Green Robots over the top. I do not know anything about the Vintage meta, but with Workshops it is even better. Mono Brown is coming back :cool:

I am curious if Goblins will adapt Sling Gang lieutenant in their shell as a way to gun dont your opponent bypassing the attack step.

This set starts to be one of the best set since i restarted playing MtG in Khans. Like many people mentioned, it reminds me my Favorite set and block, Urza's Saga. They should release a special edition of this with the old layout just for the Lulz. That will be amazing.

edit: I just realize the Sword has protection from D&T, KotR, Delver and TNN. Super strong.

[Final Fortune]

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/lessermasticore.jpg

Vial? Although at an activation cost of :4:, it competes with Walking Ballista.

Edit: Aside from being Pro Miracles, what are applications for the new sword? I feel like between Thrummingbird, Guildpact Informant, Grateful Apparition and this, there might be a critical mass reached to support cards like Parallax Wave/Tide, Tangle Wire or just good ol' Walking Ballista. Supercharging Planeswalkers or Jitte might also work.

That card is a wet dream for Stompy decks and if there isn't a Deep Anal powered Madness deck waiting to happen then I will be damned.

[sco0ter]

That card is a wet dream for Stompy decks and if there isn't a Deep Anal powered Madness deck waiting to happen then I will be damned.

I combos and curves nicely with Trash for Treasure and Goblin Welder.:smile:

[Barook]

New Sword:

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/swordofsinewandsteel.jpg

Not too shabby.

[Fox]

I would not want to get Mind Slaver'd with that sword. :laugh:

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I really hope they didn't waste five rares on a new cycle of swords.

[Megadeus]

I really hope they didn't waste five mythics on a new cycle of swords.

Fixed that for you. Yeah curious if they'll just throw in a full sword cycle or slowly trickle them in. Also this is maybe good? The protections are pretty good, but the abilities seem useless somewhat often

[Final Fortune]

The allied swords have a lot of relevant protections to them vs the metagame, I mean G/W vs BANT and U/B vs Grixis should be decent with even marginal abilities?

[filln]

Fixed that for you. Yeah curious if they'll just throw in a full sword cycle or slowly trickle them in. Also this is maybe good? The protections are pretty good, but the abilities seem useless somewhat often

The full cycle of swords will not be in this set: https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/185134627078/can-we-expect-the-full-allied-sword-of-and

[MGB]

Wow. So much to unpack in this set.

[apple713]

Seeing this set is the first time that ive ever really considered getting into modern. Apparently wotc can still produce good cards, they’ve just chosen not to for like 15 years.

I think

Morophon, the Boundless

Is one of the underrated cards feom the set. Im really psyched about it, and I think it had alot of potential, just not sure how to abuse it. It’s a very high cmc for legacy but can easily be cheated into play with a goblin lackey or something. Didgeridoo even. Maybe with 2 and 3 cmc humans that dont have generic mana in costs.

[Lava Snacks]

Apparently wotc can still produce good cards, they’ve just chosen not to for like 15 years.

Imagine if Hasbro hadn't bought WotC in 1999.

[Pittplayer]

If they keep up the standards set by War of the Spark and Modern Horizons I may start buying packs again.

[Scott]

Only notable because it's a new storm card even though it's the top notch of the Storm Scale. Maybe one day we'll get a new dredger in a non-Standard set.

Instant
You gain 3 life.
Storm

https://wx3.sinaimg.cn/large/9d895ea2gy1g3flrcncmtj207d0aajwr.jpg

[MechTactical]

you guys psyched me into preordering two boxes! shame on you! :laugh:

[bruizar]

If they keep up the standards set by War of the Spark and Modern Horizons I may start buying packs again.

i bought 3 boxes, first time since mercadian masques

[mrjumbo03]

Only notable because it's a new storm card even though it's the top notch of the Storm Scale. Maybe one day we'll get a new dredger in a non-Standard set.

Instant
You gain 3 life.
Storm

https://wx3.sinaimg.cn/large/9d895ea2gy1g3flrcncmtj207d0aajwr.jpg

This just hoses storm. You just wait for them to get to lethal tendrils, and use their storm count to your advantage.

[Poron]

Blue had Stifle and counters
White Abeyance Chant Silence and Canonist
Black all the discard in the world
Red Eidolon and Pillar

Finally green gets his answer to Storm

[mistercakes]

Now I can finally see on a lich deck again. 4 shoal, and 4 of this card. :-D

[Gheizen64]

Only notable because it's a new storm card even though it's the top notch of the Storm Scale. Maybe one day we'll get a new dredger in a non-Standard set.

Instant
You gain 3 life.
Storm

https://wx3.sinaimg.cn/large/9d895ea2gy1g3flrcncmtj207d0aajwr.jpg

Pretty good modern sb card for burn methinks.

Also possibly with some of those "u win if u get 40 Life cards"

[chunderbucket]

How is this card better than Mindbreak Trap if you really want to hose Storm?

[Final Fortune]

How is this card better than Mindbreak Trap if you really want to hose Storm?

It isn't, but the advantage is that you can play it vs aggro decks as well so it's not as binary of a card to add to your SB.

[Megadeus]

It isn't, but the advantage is that you can play it vs aggro decks as well so it's not as binary of a card to add to your SB.

True. It's a slot that you can bring in versus storm and burn. Putting it this way makes me life it a lot more

[Poron]

You can also play it mid combo after PiF before his second round of Seizes.
You get to 30 life points and normally you do it

[Gheizen64]

Adn, esg, this, draw ur deck, you're welcome

[Fox]

This card enables multiple Sylvan Libraries on board! Only 1 life per extra card, sign me up. :cool:

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/wthw2q4y6r031.jpg

[Megadeus]

https://i.redd.it/wthw2q4y6r031.jpg

Yup. Card is dumb as hell. Makes me want to play Maverick again and just cut Stoneforges

[Matsu]

https://i.redd.it/wthw2q4y6r031.jpg

Is this card design to help Karn the great Kreator?

[Poron]

well GSZ got a great new friend there.. maverick Depths with Knigths and other stuff

[ReAnimator]

https://i.imgur.com/pyMST8a.png

Pre Phyrexian Yawgmoth! cool.

[Barook]

Yawgmoth is a pretty weird card.

WotC also finished the Talisman cycle by printing the five enemy ones. Pretty nifty.

[Fox]

Unfortunately Yawg kinda does a worse job against artifacts (Chalice specifically) than Gate to Phyrexia. The 2/4 stat line is among the most iconic in black, so that was done well. The issue is that every other ability is underwhelming (also why isn‘t it pro-white?), and over-costed on a card that already costs :2::b::b: to deploy.

As it stands, this card is a worse Archfiend of Ifnir.

[KobeBryan]

This just hoses storm. You just wait for them to get to lethal tendrils, and use their storm count to your advantage.

By the time they storm, this card will be out of your hand.

[Fox]

By the time they storm, this card will be out of your hand.

Sort of; worst case scenario they lead discard (storm =1), you fire this off gaining 6 life ~ requires at least 2 more copies of Tendrils for lethal (subtracting the +1 storm this card adds to Tendrils).

[Barook]

Kess finally got reprinted as a non-foil.

As for the green Life storm card, what about False Cure and its ilk?

Edit: Aetherflux Reservoir can be supercharged with it + a few spells as well. You would require five other spells + it to gain enough life to fire it off, though.


The 2/4 stat line is among the most iconic in black
??? :eyebrow:

[bruizar]

I'm so glad with the talisman cycle!

[ReAnimator]

another ninja

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/171/520/636945773461904487.jpg

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

How is this card better than Mindbreak Trap if you really want to hose Storm?

If they cast a second storm spell.

[Fox]

@Barook 2/4s are rather rare in black. Knowing nothing about a card other than it is mono-black and a 2/4 = it has a very black ability. These cards are never generic.

As Yawgmoth is the very definition of black, any stat line other than 2/4 would have been incorrect.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

another ninja

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/171/520/636945773461904487.jpg

Cool.
That weird ninja deck I hope uses it. Cause it's....a veldaken!? Stop everything. Burn it down. Burn it all down.

[Barook]

Isn't Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow better in most situations? That said, the effects stack, so there's that.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

How much does Orcish Oriflame cost again? 2? 4? Whatever! It costs two now, and we're calling it Goblin Oriflame. Ok? Ok.
Someone else will have to post the picture.

[joven]

How much does Orcish Oriflame cost again? 2? 4? Whatever! It costs two now, and we're calling it Goblin Oriflame. Ok? Ok.
Someone else will have to post the picture.

A strictly better print of "Orcish Orilflamme" and then naming it "Goblin Oriflamme" is discrimination against Orcs.

[ESG]

How much does Orcish Oriflame cost again? 2? 4? Whatever! It costs two now, and we're calling it Goblin Oriflame. Ok? Ok.
Someone else will have to post the picture.

It's a nice callback to the Alpha print error:

https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/en/lea/166.jpg

1R is probably what the card should've cost anyway. 3R is too steep.

[nupert]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7m-ft9X4AECtB0?format=png&name=small
Nice card. First two modes hit all opponents.

[Finn]

Only notable because it's a new storm card even though it's the top notch of the Storm Scale. Maybe one day we'll get a new dredger in a non-Standard set.

Instant
You gain 3 life.
Storm

https://wx3.sinaimg.cn/large/9d895ea2gy1g3flrcncmtj207d0aajwr.jpg

I have discovered that you can not usually fight storm by reacting to the storm spell. You have to destroy the engine that got them there.

[Dice_Box]

I have discovered that you can not usually fight storm by reacting to the storm spell. You have to destroy the engine that got them there.
I agree, but Storm in Legacy is not where I see this bring played. (or used against I mean)

Modern Storm and Modern burn will hate this. Even if it's just gain 6 life against Burn that's something. Modern Storm kills with a card that deals 1 damage per copy, this fucking kills them. This is great for Modern.

[Lord Seth]

What makes me sad about this set is how cool it would be if it were in Standard.

Also:

Is this card design to help Karn the great Kreator?In what way does it help the deck running Karn? A deck running Karn is likely to be hurt by it (as Karn grabs you artifacts, which this could turn off), and it thwarts Karn's main claim to fame, the Mycosynth Lattice combo. It's a much better card against Karn than it is with him.

[Glass House]

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/hallofheliodsgenerosity.jpg
This is sweet. Enchantress getting some love :smile:.

[Fox]

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/hallofheliodsgenerosity.jpg
This is sweet. Enchantress getting some love :smile:.

Pssh; this has UW Standstill and Parfait written all over it. Card is great; unplayable, but great. :laugh:

So what is missing in the cycle is now green and red Strongholds. Green should buy back PWs (that's fair right), and red can buy back Barb Ring. :cool:

[Poron]

Pssh; this has UW Standstill and Parfait written all over it. Card is great; unplayable, but great. :laugh:

So what is missing in the cycle is now green and red Strongholds. Green should buy back PWs (that's fair right), and red can buy back Barb Ring. :cool:

Did you guys say Counterbalance??

[bruizar]

Exsqueeze me! That land is certainly playable! Infinite turns with second chance btw. This set is crazy I can't believe they put so much juice in it.


Do we have to wait another 25 years for something crazy like this?

Check out this one. Crashing Footfalls is highly playable!
https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/273/745/636946169763501315.png


If you activate a Mutavault, does this dude cost WW?

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/273/742/636946024196208270.jpeg

[HdH_Cthulhu]

If you activate a Mutavault, does this dude cost WW?


Probably yes.

Also Werebear should reduce it buy 3? Creature — Human Bear Druid

[Tylert]

Check out this one. Crashing Footfalls is highly playable!
https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/273/745/636946169763501315.png


How can you cast htis T1? how is it better than something like hypergenesis?

Faithless looting T1, red final T2?
T1 Elf, T2 as foretold?

What would be a good shell for it? is it good if suspended on T1? i don't think so (they don't have haste because it's a spell and not a creature)

[chunderbucket]

Maybe shardless wants this. Putting bodies can be more important than drawing cards with ancestral vision, and it can't be pyroblasted.

[Megadeus]

How can you cast htis T1? how is it better than something like hypergenesis?

Faithless looting T1, red final T2?
T1 Elf, T2 as foretold?

What would be a good shell for it? is it good if suspended on T1? i don't think so (they don't have haste because it's a spell and not a creature)
If you get there new Fires of Yavimaya type card that's on standard this coming off suspend can be pretty powerful

[Tylert]

If you get there new Fires of Yavimaya type card that's on standard this coming off suspend can be pretty powerful

T1 =faithless looting discard crashing footfalls and anger.
T2 = final of promise to attack for 8.

I'm not sold on this :)

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Exsqueeze me! That land is certainly playable! Infinite turns with second chance btw. This set is crazy I can't believe they put so much juice in it.


Do we have to wait another 25 years for something crazy like this?

Check out this one. Crashing Footfalls is highly playable!
https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/273/745/636946169763501315.png


If you activate a Mutavault, does this dude cost WW?

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/273/742/636946024196208270.jpeg
Yes, and I think that's the intended goal. But if there's a good white channeling you don't have to wait until turn 3.
Also, also. Humans has so many other types that it's playable there too.
Like if your board is Hierarch and champion of the parish this guy only costs 4, add in a pirate? A monk? A wizard? I dunno, but I'd try it.

[mistercakes]

Shardless into 10 power on the board seems very good.

[Megadeus]

T1 =faithless looting discard crashing footfalls and anger.
T2 = final of promise to attack for 8.

I'm not sold on this :)

Who needs phoenixes when you have fucking rhinos.

We have Finale of Promise, Electro Dominance, Conjured Casting, and As Foretold to cast these things.

Then we have this, ancestral vision, wheel of fate, and I guess restore balance as our payoff spells. I feel like there's gotta be something you can do just casting broken spells in modern

[Fox]

I don't think you really have to find some way to cheese Crashing Footfalls into play; that's a perfectly reasonable turn 1, getting two threats on board around the same time opponents are casting PWs. It's also pretty friendly to cards like Pernicious Deed, giving you time to time to deploy the Deed and then untap & detonate before resolving spell. As far as Shardless Agent goes, I would think they'd like the Snake-Strix guy more than this.

This card is also going to create windows of resolving a PW with 2x blockers, so it probably is more at home in BUG control than tap out and jam midrange~goodstuff.

[Mr. Safety]

I don't think you really have to find some way to cheese Crashing Footfalls into play; that's a perfectly reasonable turn 1, getting two threats on board around the same time opponents are casting PWs. It's also pretty friendly to cards like Pernicious Deed, giving you time to time to deploy the Deed and then untap & detonate before resolving spell. As far as Shardless Agent goes, I would think they'd like the Snake-Strix guy more than this.

I was going to post something similar, 'this is a perfectly acceptable fair play by suspending t1 yadda yadda yadda'.

I don't think the new Strix is better for Shardless decks, Baleful is still superior. I think what Crashing Footfalls does is synergize with Shardless Agent without being susceptible to graveyard hate like Tarmogyf. Getting 8 power split over 2 bodies will usually be better than a 5/6 or 6/7 Goyf. It's more susceptible to stuff like Engineered Explosives, but that's really it's only weakness compared to Goyf.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Panoptic mirror has GOT to be good enough now!

[bruizar]

Here's a Modern Horizons list I brewed up to get the inspiration going!

MonoWhite Cawblade

4x Serra the Benevolent
4x Gideon of the Trials
2x Gideon Blackblade
1x Nahiri, the Lithomancer
3x Porphyry Nodes
4x Chrome Mox
4x Squadron Hawk
4x Stoneforge Mystic
1x Sword of Sinew and Steel
1x Sword of Truth and Justice
1x Batterskull
2x History of Benalia
4x Swords to Plowshares
1x Scroll Rack
2x Unexpectedly Absent
2x Trinisphere
1x Crucible of Worlds
8x Plains
4x Wasteland
4x Ancient Tomb
2x Karakas
2x Hall of Heliod’s Generosity


Now just waiting for Angelic Spirit Guide.

* History of Benalia and Porphyry Nodes work with Hall of Heliod's Generosity
* Gideon Blackblade is a creature for Serra the Benevolent emblem and a Gideon for Gideon of the Trials emblem
* Sword of Sinew and Steel is to get rid of planeswalkers and artifacts since creatures shouldn't be a problem with Porphyry Nodes
* Sideboard you get access to Seal of Cleansing, Eidolon of Rhetoric and Rest in Peace, cards that will all work well with Hall of Heliod's Generosity.
* Squadron Hawk + Chrome Mox to ramp, Scroll Rack to emulate Jace/Brainstorm with Hawks
* Sword of Truth and Justice on Sqaudron Hawks can make your airforce big quickly and the proliferate helps get your Planeswalkers and Saga up.
* Probably needs a Humility somewhere, to ensure Porphyry Nodes hits your opponent's creatures before it hits your own if you already have a board position

That's it.

Why would you run this over UW cawblade, and why would you play cawblade in the first place and not a good deck? Don't know! But this is certainly an interesting take, not losing is the first step to winning in a format as broken as legacy :D

[Fox]

Your list lacks Chalice, cantrips/FoW/SCM, Land Tax/Parfait things, etc...
Also you‘re running Crucible main when Karn exists to wish for it.

[bruizar]

Your list lacks Chalice, cantrips/FoW/SCM, Land Tax/Parfait things, etc...
Also you‘re running Crucible main when Karn exists to wish for it.

I cut land tax for space, but if it were in the list then i'd play sword of war and peace.

Blue is lacking because it's mono white.

Chalice interferes with STP and Porphyry Nodes

Crucible can probably get cut

Deck needs more draw engine, which could be solved be scroll rack / land tax + squadron hawk

[ReAnimator]

So these things seem good with the new 2 mana walker.

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/171/532/636946429387766488.pnghttps://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/171/533/636946429486041408.png

I'm going to build up an aggro loam shell for sure with these toys.

[PirateKing]

Ruination Rioter seems really dangerous. I don't know exactly how many lands Loam has floating in their graveyard late in the match, but I'd estimate more than I would want to take in damage to the face. I really red that over and over to make sure it didn't say any creature or planeswalker.

[morgan_coke]

Ruination Rioter seems really dangerous. I don't know exactly how many lands Loam has floating in their graveyard late in the match, but I'd estimate more than I would want to take in damage to the face. I really red that over and over to make sure it didn't say any creature or planeswalker.

So, for lands to take advantage of Ruination Rioter, they'd need to get to at least the midgame, Stronghold this back to their library, draw it, cast it, then sac it to Diamond Valley or something. OR, they could just Depths/Stage/win.

Aggro Loam, it's a nice finisher vs. midrangey decks that lack StP or Path or Bounce or counterspells or some way to hexproof themselves or stifle.

Honestly the hasty dragon is probably the more reliable finisher for Aggro Loam, but hey, why not run both? It's not like either card actually solves the problems Loam has in Legacy (and Modern to a lesser extent) - being a graveyard deck that takes all kinds of splash damage from Dredge hate, is slower than combo, and less interactive than Xerox.

Still, cool cards.

[ReAnimator]

I'm no dredge expert but maybe there is some sort of Dread Return Cabal Therapy end game with this guy too. Just chucking a guy for 10+ to the face on top of all the other hasty creatures might be something.

[TsumiBand]

Yes, and I think that's the intended goal. But if there's a good white channeling you don't have to wait until turn 3.
Also, also. Humans has so many other types that it's playable there too.
Like if your board is Hierarch and champion of the parish this guy only costs 4, add in a pirate? A monk? A wizard? I dunno, but I'd try it.

I didn't see any amazing White changeling in terms of just curving out but there is a 1/1 for :u: with changeling that can conditionally fly, it's pretty bad.

There are a few one-drop Clerics with like 3 types, like Weathered Wayfarer and Children of Korlis which have... "an amount" of potential. Might be worth glancing at Rebels too, a lot of them have 3 creature types and even as 2-drops it's a reduction of :3: to the card in question

[bruizar]

So, for lands to take advantage of Ruination Rioter, they'd need to get to at least the midgame, Stronghold this back to their library, draw it, cast it, then sac it to Diamond Valley or something. OR, they could just Depths/Stage/win.

The diamond valley isn't needed, you can punishing fire the dude cause he is only 2 toughness. Getting it out of the grave is difficult without Stronghold, but who knows.

I think going for ultimate with Wren and Six is better, and just chaining PuFis and loams with retrace together for a quick alternative win to marit lage. Retrace Gamble is also very powerful, especially since you can search up for the depths combo + a loam with it.

[Glass House]

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/throesofchaos.jpg

Honestly, one of the best mana dumps I've ever seen.

[Poron]

Hypergenesis enabler that can fizzle without fuss

[Finn]

Ruination rioter does seem dangerous. But not in Lands, which typically does not have as many lands as you might think in its graveyard. (Freakin Kress and Six is going to be amazing in Lands, btw)

Dredge would be a closer relative to rioter’s home. But it would need a whole new build. I think this card is safe at the moment.

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/f2cg5rk.png

Interesting new option, which is likely worse than Deluge most of the time, but could depend on where the Snow mechanic goes from here.

[Mr. Safety]

Dredge would be a closer relative to rioter’s home. But it would need a whole new build. I think this card is safe at the moment.

I think it will be a modern card. Modern dredge is base G/R and is heavily focused on loam synergies already while playing enough lands to make this a reasonable play, usually around 20.

[morgan_coke]

Ruination rioter does seem dangerous. But not in Lands, which typically does not have as many lands as you might think in its graveyard. (Freakin Kress and Six is going to be amazing in Lands, btw)

Dredge would be a closer relative to rioter’s home. But it would need a whole new build. I think this card is safe at the moment.

I think to make Rioter work in Dredge in some kind of "one shot" build, you'd want to go back to the old 5c versions with stuff like Winds of Change or Breakthrough or Tolarian Winds. You'd try to trigger 3-4 Lingering Chills at once, then Return and Therapy the Rioter for the last damage. It's a t2-t3 kill that doesn't use the combat step and gets stopped by most Dredge hate. Maybe with Bridge from Below tokens you can get a couple shots off, but is that really better than just bringing back a couple of Lotleth Giants?

I think Ruinator has a home, but it's more in a RG aggro shell with fetches and wastes in the 'yard, and that deck has other problems that ruinator doesn't solve.

[bruizar]

I think it will be a modern card. Modern dredge is base G/R and is heavily focused on loam synergies already while playing enough lands to make this a reasonable play, usually around 20.

If skred is good enough for modern, i think dead of winter will be too.

[Mr. Safety]

If skred is good enough for modern, i think dead of winter will be too.

Sure...but I was referencing Ruination Rioter.

[bruizar]

Sure...but I was referencing Ruination Rioter.

woops, meant to quote H

[LOLWut]

https://i.imgur.com/f2cg5rk.png

Interesting new option, which is likely worse than Deluge most of the time, but could depend on where the Snow mechanic goes from here.

Nice evocative flavor and image.

[rufus]

[Throes of Chaos]

Honestly, one of the best mana dumps I've ever seen.

I don't think the card is all that strong, but I really like the design.

[H]

If skred is good enough for modern, i think dead of winter will be too.

Modern, yes. Because they don't have Deluge and mono-Black is already near competitive. With the Basic fetch, now one could even stay in Snow and get a splash color to clean up annoying stuff you couldn't before.

[Mr. Safety]

Modern, yes. Because they don't have Deluge and mono-Black is already near competitive. With the Basic fetch, now one could even stay in Snow and get a splash color to clean up annoying stuff you couldn't before.

Maybe 8 rack wants this? It could swap out Mutavaults for the new snow-manland and play snow Swamps. Seems very good, actually.

[bruizar]

Finally finished the cycle

Morphling
Brightling
Endling
Thornling
Torchling

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/273/756/636946533147511421.png

[Mr. Safety]

Finally finished the cycle

Morphling
Brightling
Endling
Thornling
Torchling

https://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/273/756/636946533147511421.png

I saw this as well. This is a really cool riff on a black Morphling. I love that with a little mana investment you can have a 1/5 deathtouch blocker, and rather than bouncing it to hand you get undying. Having it start at only 4 mana is different, maybe because they realized 5 would make it literally unplayable?

[H]

I saw this as well. This is a really cool riff on a black Morphling. I love that with a little mana investment you can have a 1/5 deathtouch blocker, and rather than bouncing it to hand you get undying. Having it start at only 4 mana is different, maybe because they realized 5 would make it literally unplayable?

And 3 would be busted with Unearth (which is now Modern legal). Brightling already busted up the 5 CMC paradigm anyway.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I didn't see any amazing White changeling in terms of just curving out but there is a 1/1 for :u: with changeling that can conditionally fly, it's pretty bad.

There are a few one-drop Clerics with like 3 types, like Weathered Wayfarer and Children of Korlis which have... "an amount" of potential. Might be worth glancing at Rebels too, a lot of them have 3 creature types and even as 2-drops it's a reduction of :3: to the card in question

It's also good in multiples, since it gives -5 to the next one. So if, your hand was full of them and you manage to get one out for 3 mana, you can curve into two of them next turn. Magical Christmas, I know, but a 3/3 doublestrike with all the right creature types isn't bad.

[Poron]

this has built in Unearth.

you just need a way to remove the counter from it

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/throesofchaos.jpg

Honestly, one of the best mana dumps I've ever seen.

I love it. Don't care if it doesn't pan out. I'm just going to buy a foil playset and hold it.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

this has built in Unearth.

you just need a way to remove the counter from it

Other Modern Legal cards (with relevant typing) Soul Diviner, Plague Belcher.

[Poron]

Plague Belcher doesn’t remove the counter, adds negative counters. Not sure it works

[Zombie]

Plague Belcher doesn’t remove the counter, adds negative counters. Not sure it works

It does. +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters delete each other.

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/DjKf5HY.png

Chained to the Snow Land, anyone? :wink:

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Plague Belcher doesn’t remove the counter, adds negative counters. Not sure it works

It does: Assuming the counters don't kill the creature. State based effects have +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters cancel eachother out, and removed, however this is done at the same time a creature is checked for being dead.


704.5f If a creature has toughness 0 or less, it’s put into its owner’s graveyard. Regeneration can’t replace this event
704.5q If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it.

So the creature is checked for being dead at the same time it's checking to cancel the counters. They happen simultaneously which means the creature technically had the counter on it when it dies.
But if it survives the first-round of checks, the counters will have cancelled.
Or as zombie players playing both Belcher and Geralf's messenger put it: Living the dream!

[Poron]

if it Undies does it lose the extra negative counter?

[H]

if it Undies does it lose the extra negative counter?

Of course, yes. It would simply return with a +1/+1 counter again.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.imgur.com/S7RxlA0.png

[morgan_coke]

https://i.imgur.com/S7RxlA0.png

He's much more fearsome than his silly little raiders.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

if it Undies does it lose the extra negative counter?

Yup. When an object changes zones, counters don't move with it.
So when it moved to the graveyard it lost all -1/-1 counters, and when it moves back to the battlefield it has no counters on it. Except for the one +1/+1 counter that the ability explicitly says it comes into play with.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/throesofchaos.jpg

Honestly, one of the best mana dumps I've ever seen.
This card is excellent, I'm loving it. As long as you have 4 mana, every excess land can be turned into gas.

Wouldn't it be an excellent fit into Moon Stompy? Although if you run 3sphere, it's kinda terrible.

On the plus side, it might do some really stupid things with cost reducers + Loam.


https://i.imgur.com/S7RxlA0.png
Seems pretty good with Rabblemaster and Warboss to produce value. Bonus points for hiding behind a Bridge, amassing an army unti you use Fiery Confluence to blow everything up to nuke your opponent.

[Mr. Safety]

https://i.imgur.com/S7RxlA0.png

Finally, the captain of Mons's Goblin Raiders! Lots of flavor-win for this set alongside an exceptionally above average power curve. It's probably not playable, but Mogg Fanatic now does 2 damage again with Captain Mons.

[nupert]

https://i.imgur.com/S7RxlA0.png

Comboes off with Skirk Prospector/Phyrexian Altar and Mana Echoes. It's a "whoops I win" combo for Goblin Tribal EDH with cards I might want to play anyways.

Also, another card to dump your {3}{R} into.

[Barook]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7r6OY8VUAAJNch.png

Maybe as a 1-of in Elves? With a T1 dork and two lands, you have at least 6 mana on T3. Not to mention the silliness that ensues if you have Symbiote/Quirion Ranger.

[Obferraz]

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/hallofheliodsgenerosity.jpg
This is sweet. Enchantress getting some love :smile:.

This open a door for a GW lands deck, with solemnity to lock with glacial chasm and combo with depth. Life from the loam enchantment to the graveyard are a benefit now.

[non-inflammable]

This open a door for a GW lands deck, with solemnity to lock with glacial chasm and combo with depth. Life from the loam enchantment to the graveyard are a benefit now.

so true... already brewing.

the biggest question with loam was always, "am i gonna dredge an enchantment that i really need?"
getting to recast drop of honey or poryphry nodes is gonna be sweet...

somebody did an amazing job on horizons; this is a great set!

[Obferraz]

so true... already brewing.

the biggest question with loam was always, "am i gonna dredge an enchantment that i really need?"
getting to recast drop of honey or poryphry nodes is gonna be sweet...

somebody did an amazing job on horizons; this is a great set!

The card I was asking for in the last years. Really great job in this set.

[apple713]

The card I was asking for in the last years. Really great job in this set.

now you can get back artifact, creatures, and enchantments with lands. Maybe if we could get back planeswalkers that would be super awesome.

[Pittplayer]

now you can get back artifact, creatures, and enchantments with lands. Maybe if we could get back planeswalkers that would be super awesome.

Like does everyone feel that this set is incredible? I can't believe how much I'm loving everytime a spoiler hits, just so much wow!

[kirkusjones]

There's so much...positivity....this doesn't feel like the Source I know and sometimes love.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

The set is diverse enough that there's something for everyone to like. I dislike most of the set, but there's plenty of gems to be excited for.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/l1n5jyx5j1131.png
Leaked, but pretty much verified real (the better quality image of someone physically holding up the card was taken down on Reddit).

https://i.redd.it/w0dfwfyew1131.png
Baby Revillark

[LOLWut]

https://i.redd.it/l1n5jyx5j1131.png
Leaked, but pretty much verified real (the better quality image of someone physically holding up the card was taken down on Reddit).

So if you want to cast it, you must have at least 2 untapped black or green creatures out. Interesting.

[morgan_coke]

So if you want to cast it, you must have at least 2 untapped black or green creatures out. Interesting.

It's a heck of way to recover from a wrath effect for token decks.

[ESG]

Like does everyone feel that this set is incredible? I can't believe how much I'm loving everytime a spoiler hits, just so much wow!

This set is a home run for me. It has three or four times more playable cards than a normal set would have.

[Pittplayer]

What cards do you guys think will impact legacy the most? I would go with Goblin Engineer, Wrenn and Six, Force of Negation, Ayula's Influence, Nature's Chant, and Prismatic Vista seeing serious tier 1 legacy play. Vesperlark, Bazaar Trademage, Tribute Mage, Plague Engineer, Pashalik Mons, and Scrapyard Recombiner will see fringe and tier 2 play.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

https://i.imgur.com/DjKf5HY.png

Chained to the Snow Land, anyone? :wink:

So isnt this really strong for enchantress? You already run tons of basic forests.

[Final Fortune]

It's a heck of way to recover from a wrath effect for token decks.

Manaless Dredge just popped the biggest boner ever.

[apple713]

https://i.redd.it/w0dfwfyew1131.png
Baby Revillark

he just needs a loyal friend :)

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=338450&type=card

[colo]

Rcycling Recruiter of the Guard from the yard is going to be amazing. I love this card :)

[sco0ter]

Carrion Feeder reprint with new art.

Not relevant for Legacy, but this will likely enable a Zombardment-ish deck in Modern :smile:

[Mr. Safety]

Carrion Feeder reprint with new art.

Not relevant for Legacy, but this will likely enable a Zombardment-ish deck in Modern :smile:

And the format even has Unearth legal now...

While I absolutely love this set, the recent trend of higher quality sets, I can't help but be suspicious that Wotc is blowing their load and next year will absolutely suck for new sets.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Carrion Feeder reprint with new art.

Not relevant for Legacy, but this will likely enable a Zombardment-ish deck in Modern :smile:

MrBisonYesYes.gif

[Barook]

now you can get back artifact, creatures, and enchantments with lands. Maybe if we could get back planeswalkers that would be super awesome.
I expect the green one to return lands once it gets printed. Red is a mixed bag since returning instants/sorceries every turn is quite powerful. PWs don't make sense for red.


There's so much...positivity....this doesn't feel like the Source I know and sometimes love.
The set is great - lots of interesting, powerful cards and great callbacks to older, iconic cards. They're even completing older cycles people have been waiting for a long time, like Horizon Canopy's missing partners, the Stronghold cycle, Sword of X and Y, enemy Talismans, etc. - what's not to love?

That said, now get off your ass and give use a Sulfur Elemental for blue, WotC!

[Erdvermampfa]

With all the praise this set gets from everywhere please don't forget that it also comes with an increased price tag (not normal booster price!) so Wizards better deliver to justiy that. This is bascically half a normal and half a "masters" set in terms of price. Do not get overhyped people.

[PirateKing]

I expect the green one to return lands once it gets printed. Red is a mixed bag since returning instants/sorceries every turn is quite powerful. PWs don't make sense for red.

Red one should just give an Instant or Sorcery flashback until end of turn. Kind of like putting it on top of your library, but less broken.

[Tylert]

And the format even has Unearth legal now...

While I absolutely love this set, the recent trend of higher quality sets, I can't help but be suspicious that Wotc is blowing their load and next year will absolutely suck for new sets.

Next set is a core set... I expect a poor season of boring rares opening and a crappy limited environment...

[MechTactical]

we want cyclonic rift + draw a F***** card! it's about time they print an upgraded bounce spell for me...ops us.

[Barook]

I'm surprised nobody talks about this:

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/tributemage.jpg

What are applications for this? It can fetch:

Jitte, Winter Orb, Null Rod, SotM/Thopther Foundry combo, Revoker, Spyglass, Thorn, Sphere of Resistance, Ratchet Bomb and probably many other things.

This into Jitte, equip, swing on the follow up turn sounds already strong by itself.

[Megadeus]

I'm surprised nobody talks about this:

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/tributemage.jpg

What are applications for this? It can fetch:

Jitte, Winter Orb, Null Rod, SotM/Thopther Foundry combo, Revoker, Spyglass, Thorn, Sphere of Resistance, Ratchet Bomb and probably many other things.

This into Jitte, equip, swing on the follow up turn sounds already strong by itself.
Painter as well. Guess at some point we'll get 4and 5 as well? 2 seems pretty strong though. Can also get Ravager I guess

[Final Fortune]

I'm surprised nobody talks about this:

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/tributemage.jpg

What are applications for this? It can fetch:

Jitte, Winter Orb, Null Rod, SotM/Thopther Foundry combo, Revoker, Spyglass, Thorn, Sphere of Resistance, Ratchet Bomb and probably many other things.

This into Jitte, equip, swing on the follow up turn sounds already strong by itself.

Blue gets a tutor for Umezawa's Jitte and Phrexian Revoker in one card, I can't take it man … this set's power level is over 9,000

[H]

Next set is a core set... I expect a poor season of boring rares opening and a crappy limited environment...

Honestly, I'd be happy with that. Because I am likely still going to be buying playables from WAR and Modern Horizons at that point.

[Barook]

Painter as well. Guess at some point we'll get 4and 5 as well? 2 seems pretty strong though. Can also get Ravager I guess
Canonist is also a possible target. Or Isochron Scepter, but nobody plays that anymore.

[aedemiel]

Or Isochron Scepter, but nobody plays that anymore.

Parfait players would like to have a word with you.

Joke aside this set is good.

[morgan_coke]

Canonist is also a possible target. Or Isochron Scepter, but nobody plays that anymore.

honest question, do Threeferi and this blue tutor guy make Scepter-Chant a playable deck again?

EDIT: I mean, if you untap with Threeferi and four mana, you can stop them from ever casting a spell again. That's a much, much, much lower bar than the deck had to clear previously.

[Tylert]

Honestly, I'd be happy with that. Because I am likely still going to be buying playables from WAR and Modern Horizons at that point.

I hope they at least don't mess up with the limited part of the core set... All I want is to enjoy playing. Monetary value is a bonus :)

[Mr. Safety]

Blue gets a tutor for Umezawa's Jitte and Phrexian Revoker in one card, I can't take it man … this set's power level is over 9,000

Yeah, it's big. I think there are some sleepers that this opens up for playability, if only in fringe decks. What I love about the set is that it might actually take fringe strategies and give them just enough to become playable. Shakes a lot of shit up in both Legacy and Modern.

Liquimetal Coating
Time Sieve
Altar of Dementia
Brain in a Jar
Cursed Totem
Null Rod
Damping Sphere
Defense Grid
Doubling Cube
Fluctuator
Grim Monolith


Just a few cards that could become better with a tutor w/legs.

[H]

I hope they at least don't mess up with the limited part of the core set... All I want is to enjoy playing. Monetary value is a bonus :)

I don't really think they are really going to mess with that. I'd guess that they realize that a "one-set-fits-all" model really was not ideal, which is something I already (somewhere here) tried to point out, that trying to make sets that appeal to Limited?Standard/Modern/Legacy/Vintage/Casual crowds was really a lost cause.

To me, I think Modern Horizons is a sign that they might finally have "gotten it" that a "one product for everyone" is going to necessarily fail in part, because it has to dilute what any one wants as a matter of course. Want Limited? Put up with Modern cards diluting the pool. Want Standard? Put up with EDH cards in the pool. Want Legacy? Put up with casual cards in the pool.

Granted, I don't think we are going to see "full segmentation" ever, but I do think you will see things catered a bit more, certain products more so to certain segments. Instead of trying to make products that sort of end up as mild disappointments to all.

And I think everything, aside non-random products, will always have some Limited bent, just because it's a cash cow.

[Barook]

I don't really think they are really going to mess with that. I'd guess that they realize that a "one-set-fits-all" model really was not ideal, which is something I already (somewhere here) tried to point out, that trying to make sets that appeal to Limited?Standard/Modern/Legacy/Vintage/Casual crowds was really a lost cause.

To me, I think Modern Horizons is a sign that they might finally have "gotten it" that a "one product for everyone" is going to necessarily fail in part, because it has to dilute what any one wants as a matter of course. Want Limited? Put up with Modern cards diluting the pool. Want Standard? Put up with EDH cards in the pool. Want Legacy? Put up with casual cards in the pool.

Granted, I don't think we are going to see "full segmentation" ever, but I do think you will see things catered a bit more, certain products more so to certain segments. Instead of trying to make products that sort of end up as mild disappointments to all.

And I think everything, aside non-random products, will always have some Limited bent, just because it's a cash cow.
Pure Limited chaff that's bad for the sake of being bad is also basically non-existant in WAR and Horizons. They might have taken a hint from Cube that people like powerful cards.

[sco0ter]

Onslaught Cycle lands now becoming Modern legal... :eek:

These open up quite a few archetypes in Modern I guess (Lands, Aggro Loam, ...)

This sets feels more and more like they want to make Modern be like "Legacy, but without restricted cards", which I think is bad for Legacy, because more players will move to Modern.

[PirateKing]

There is a lot of value in this set that can pour over into future standard core sets as well. City of Brass was a core set all-star for a few years, I could see Prismatic Vista serving a similar role.
A number of these new cards are too good for standard, and of course they are all too good all at once, but I don't think this is the last we will be seeing of a number of the generic goodstuff cards.

[Barook]

This sets feels more and more like they want to make Modern be like "Legacy, but without restricted cards", which I think is bad for Legacy, because more players will move to Modern.
More like a "fixed" Legacy.

On the upside, it has no Brainstorm (or Ponder), so that's always a plus.

[H]

Pure Limited chaff that's bad for the sake of being bad is also basically non-existant in WAR and Horizons. They might have taken a hint from Cube that people like powerful cards.

Who'd have thought? The old "skill testing" argument was pretty bogus in my mind, to me, just a post-hoc rationalization of why lazy and uninspired design was "good for the game." In fact, something like that was a thing that Richard Garfield was "worried" about way back in pre-Alpha days, that there might be cards which, essentially, no one actually wanted to play.

I think every card made should have a "home" in some format/market segment. Even if that segment is just "people who could care less if they win, they just like the way a Brushwagg looks." There is nothing wrong with cards that are something like Limited playable only and likely only appeal otherwise to Vorthos. Or even just cards that are barely Limited playable and sort of "Vorthos-only."

What I see as a "problem" was that there were cards that essentially appealed to no one. (I don't mean literally no one, I mean, no recognizable segment of the market.) If they have realized to get rid of those, so much the better in my opinion.

[morgan_coke]

Onslaught Cycle lands now becoming Modern legal... :eek:

These open up quite a few archetypes in Modern I guess (Lands, Aggro Loam, ...)

This sets feels more and more like they want to make Modern be like "Legacy, but without restricted cards", which I think is bad for Legacy, because more players will move to Modern.

I'm honestly a little sad about that. It would have been fun running cycling decks without the kinds of manabase constrictions those lands impose for a few years. Eh, maybe I'll still do it anyways. Ordered everything I'll need for Modern Drift that isn't in this set just now. Glad I got Loams before they jumped. Although to be honest, I think Wrenn and Six will actually replace a lot of that, because it's only one card less and doesn't cost mana. (Loam is actually +2 cards, because you have to burn a draw on Loam's dredge), and as mana hungry as most cycling decks are, that two mana+a cycle is a real cost.

[Barook]

If they have realized to get rid of those, so much the better in my opinion.
Considering the playtest team has quite a few experience players in it, they probably told design to fuck off with these cards.

Printing cards absolutely nobody wants is a waste of resources.

[Mr. Safety]

Sweet baby Jesus we have onslaught cycle lands in modern...today is a good day.

[Dice_Box]

Hall is official. We can Stronghold Enchantments.

[H]

Onslaught Cycle lands now becoming Modern legal... :eek:

These open up quite a few archetypes in Modern I guess (Lands, Aggro Loam, ...)

This sets feels more and more like they want to make Modern be like "Legacy, but without restricted cards", which I think is bad for Legacy, because more players will move to Modern.

I disagree completely. One, because it is very unlikely that anyone who wants to play and can play Legacy, is going to forgo it for Modern instead. What might happen is fringe players might not invest in Legacy when they could invest less and play Modern. But this was already happening, because of the ever rising price of RL staples. So, short of reprinting those (which they are not going to do in any realistic time frame, if at all) means this was already a fact and archetypes entering Modern is unlikely to make a real difference.

In fact, it could be a net benefit, since one could build Aggro Loam for Modern, then invest in the Duals and other things to "expand it" to Legacy, thus giving part of your investment a "dual use."

Not to mention, the "Legacy-cation" of Modern is a benefit to Legacy itself getting more playable and interesting cards. It's hardly "doom and gloom" to me. In fact, it's likely one of the only plausible lights in this tunnel.


Considering the playtest team has quite a few experience players in it, they probably told design to fuck off with these cards.

Printing cards absolutely nobody wants is a waste of resources.

Well, my hunch is that is that most of these cards were essentially "no resources" on the Design aspect, as they were specifically made to be so bad that they didn't need to be thought of or tested. But yeah, the new team seems to be demonstrably better at, well, everything. A net benefit to Magic as a game, really.

I think the next evolution is the sort of "failure" of Arena and what that does to Wizard's (Hasbro's) focus. It seems to be that what I have often said about the failures of Standard being the way we got more Legacy playables, and the movement away from "one product for everyone" approach to sets sort of came to pass. I'd guess that, next, Arena is going to "fail" to really sell Standard and we are going to end up in a sort of train wreck of trying to somehow "unite" MTGO and Arena that is going to manage to leave everyone unsatisfied.

In the sort term, I think that means we are going to see more and more things "geared" toward integration and "selling" people on Arena. That is why I thought the London Mulligan was a lock to come into effect, but I am a bit out of touch, so it is likely I misgauged that aspect. In any case, I think we are going to see design of Standard-legal things be bent ever more toward being Arena "friendly," until the point where it is garnered that Arena is not likely to be the productive way forward. In other words, the point at which Arena is not showing positive player growth sustained over time.

In the mid-term, I think we see a "new" Arena format that will be a sort of "Modern" that is just all cards which have been programmed for Arena. No idea what that ends up being in terms of popularity, so perhaps this is something that really keeps Arena going? No way to tell, for me, at least.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.imgur.com/Q4J96cl.png
AND

https://i.imgur.com/RT1CXde.jpg

EDITS - Have image links!

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/rebuild.jpg

That's a nice reprint.

Shenanigans is also a pretty powerful hate card. Better than Grudge? Maybe. The lack of instant speed hurts, but it doesn't require :g:.

[morgan_coke]

Tectonic Reformation is not the two mana red cycling enchantment we were looking for. Honestly, I really hope there is a modified Lightning Rift reprint, simply because of how much that would hate on 'walkers, and how powerful the rare and uncommon 'walkers are proving to be. (specifically Narset and 3feri). Still some cards to go I guess.

[BenBleiweiss]

This set is officially "not fucking around"

https://i.redd.it/50mwxgo7e6131.png

[Michael Keller]

This set is officially "not fucking around"

https://i.redd.it/50mwxgo7e6131.png

That can't be real. I mean, that's essentially Timetwister.

This set is becoming more and more Saga-like.

[ReAnimator]

Holy crap that flash back is super absurd!

[morgan_coke]

So Madness.dec gets some new legs, and can play kind of an old school "San Diego Zoo" approach since it has a 3 mana draw 7.

Of course, it'll actually be used in either stupid combo decks or with Narset to discard your opponents' hand, but you know, it's cool in theory.

[Finn]

This set is officially "not fucking around"

https://i.redd.it/50mwxgo7e6131.png

Remember when Careful Study was card disadvantage? Yeah, those were the days.

[H]

Come on Wizards. If a fixed Time Twister is fair game, how is a fixed Deathrite not?

:rolleyes:

[Matsu]

Remember when Careful Study was card disadvantage? Yeah, those were the days.

Sacre bleu.

This and Blue Narset or Leovold.

[BenBleiweiss]

Get your LEDs now

[H]

Sacre bleu.

This and Blue Narset or Leovold.

Plus LED, :wink:

[Ronald Deuce]

Sure pumped for all the Shenanigans in this set.

[Matsu]

Plus LED, :wink:

Storm will be very fast now. It looks like combo summer is coming in legacy ;)