Core Set 2020 Spoilers

[Gheizen64]

New vale + city of traitors, Blood sun, amulet of vigor


Jank city here we go.

[ESG]

Having to pay mana to draw cards is going to be the hurdle for Vilis, Broker of Blood. If you have a reanimation spell that's not Reanimate, you're either going to have to pass the turn and hope he lives or delay going for it for a few turns, which is usually the wrong choice. Reanimator wants to go off immediately. I think Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is a better choice than this if you want another Griselbrand-style monster.

[Megadeus]

This guy also doesn't recoup the life you lose. I think if my opponent ever goes for this over a GBrand I'll probably be very happy

[Poron]

not doubts, Griselbrand is possibly the best creature in the game

[Mr. Safety]

There has to be a use for Vilis, it's absurd. He doesn't have lifelink like Griselbrand but he has an ability that says B, pay 2 life: kill target dork and draw 2 cards. The fact that you draw 8 cards after Reanimate is a very nice payoff. Griselbrand can be Needled/Revoker-ed, this guy still has a static ability that lets you draw cards. I don't think this is for BR reanimator but I think old school UB reanimator might want this as Griselbrand 5+. Drawing 8 cards with free counterspells in your deck seems pretty decent, especially considering you can now play 5+ with Force of Negation. I kinda want to jam this in a Death's Shadow/Reanimator hybrid.

[Dice_Box]

He also reads "Pay two life, hit myself if there is no other target, draw two." Having such a big ass I do not feel is accidental.

[Barook]

https://twitter.com/SaffronOlive/status/1142053354148900865

Apparently, Leyline of Abundance enables T2 kills.

In Legacy, you could probably play Pemmin's Aura as back-up. Noble Hiearch would also enable the combo. Main problem would be being reliant on auras, though, thus it's pretty much a no-go.

[Cire]

https://twitter.com/SaffronOlive/status/1142053354148900865

Apparently, Leyline of Abundance enables T2 kills.

In Legacy, you could probably play Pemmin's Aura as back-up. Noble Hiearch would also enable the combo. Main problem would be being reliant on auras, though, thus it's pretty much a no-go.

Best you can do is probably something like this? It's still reliant on getting the Leyline in play so . . . . yeah.

4 Serum Powder
4 Leyline of Abundance
4 Pemmin's Aura
4 Freed from the Real
4 Force of Will
4 Force of Negation
4 Daze
4 Misdirection
4 Brainstorm

4 Bird of Paradise
4 Noble Hierarch

16 Lands

[Megadeus]

https://twitter.com/SaffronOlive/status/1142053354148900865

Apparently, Leyline of Abundance enables T2 kills.

In Legacy, you could probably play Pemmin's Aura as back-up. Noble Hiearch would also enable the combo. Main problem would be being reliant on auras, though, thus it's pretty much a no-go.
I think in modern I could've seen people trying it. Legacy it's probably just unplayable. Although you can play daze and Force in this theoretical deck I guess

[jmlima]

...Although you can play daze and Force in this theoretical deck I guess

That's true as long as there's an island in the deck, irrespective of the deck.

[bruizar]

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/274/143/636967278251811424.png

this looks insane for commander as it avoids the cost?

[Captain Hammer]

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/274/143/636967278251811424.png

this looks insane for commander as it avoids the cost?

Hello Lingering Souls, Bitterblossom and Spectral Procession (and maybe even Battle Screech). Meet your new best friend.

[Cire]

this looks insane for commander as it avoids the cost?

you still have to pay the commander tax since you're casting Sephara from the command zone (and the commander tax is a mandatory additional cost)

[H]

this looks insane for commander as it avoids the cost?

No, for the same reason why Force of Will's alternative cost does not avoid Sphere of Resistance.

[Barook]

Hello Lingering Souls, Bitterblossom and Spectral Procession (and maybe even Battle Screech). Meet your new best friend.
Lingering Souls is probably your best bet to set her up. Might be a good fit in BW Tokens for Modern.

[morgan_coke]

Lingering Souls is probably your best bet to set her up. Might be a good fit in BW Tokens for Modern.

Wish they hadn't killed the loopholes that made stuff like Beck//Call castable, that would've made for a very interesting deck.

[Cire]

https://i.imgur.com/TamwbMJ.png

Posting just because it is such a weird ability - I like it.

[Glass House]

https://i.imgur.com/TamwbMJ.png

Posting just because it is such a weird ability - I like it.

There must be some really contrived combo involving this and Squee, the Immortal.

[Cire]

Can't really go infinite since if you do manage to get a legend out - if the legend goes back into the graveyard it will no longer benefit from the ability (it will be a new object).

[bruizar]

https://i.imgur.com/TamwbMJ.png

Posting just because it is such a weird ability - I like it.

What a funky card

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Eternal isolation is an auto include for commander decks for the same reasons as Oblation

[colo]

If this is what they came up with to make up for the Leovold mistake to players running W, then I am disappointed.

[Jain_Mor]

Eternal isolation is an auto include for commander decks for the same reasons as Oblation

Not sure what you mean? If you're thinking of the general tuck strat, they got rid of that in 2015.

http://www.starcitygames.com/article/30542_Tuck.html


If this is what they came up with to make up for the Leovold mistake to players running W, then I am disappointed.

I doubt this card design has anything to do with leovold; why would it?

[bruizar]

Not sure what you mean? If you're thinking of the general tuck strat, they got rid of that in 2015.

http://www.starcitygames.com/article/30542_Tuck.html



Dead give away that I don't follow commander all that much :D Didn't realize they nerfed Oblation a long time ago

Bloodsoaked Altar should work with Basking Rootwalla, correct?
https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/274/161/636968348682525535.jpeg

[Barook]

Bloodsoaked Altar should work with Basking Rootwalla, correct?
https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/274/161/636968348682525535.jpeg
You pay all costs at the same time. Rootwalla is still on the stack by the time you discard it.

[Megadeus]

You pay all costs at the same time. Rootwalla is still on the stack by the time you discard it.

Right. You do all of these things in order, but the rootwalla doesn't get to trigger until this things whole costs are paid. So you would, pay two life, discard rootwalla, sacrifice a creature, then I believe you get to cast your rootwalla, then you make your 5/5?

[Matsu]

I had a break, but I see some potential in Maverick with the Vivian, arkbow ranger, making you Birds and Hierach big + killing PW sounds great.
Masterful replication has some potential in weird a la Mono Brown deck to change you Artifacts.

But in my opinion the biggest card in Winged Words. Flipping delver turn 2 and drawing two cards, sounds good. It works also with Strix.

[Lava Snacks]

But in my opinion the biggest card in Winged Words. Flipping delver turn 2 and drawing two cards, sounds good. It works also with Strix.

Maybe in U/R Delver? They don't play Stormchaser Mage anymore, but they still have Delver and Pteramander as flyers. They like drawing cards, and they can always cast it for 3, worst case scenario.

Night's Whisper sees play and is one to compare it to, and with this you can stay in blue.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/otshtm3g88631.jpg

[Tylert]

Embodiement of agonies: Looks like tarmogoyf a lot. With additional evasion. the fact that it checks once only will sometimes be an advantage over tarmogoyf, however, tarmogoyf has the advantage of allway be a 0/1 at least. difficult to evaluate.

[colo]

The fact that it enters with counters makes it recruitable, and also less susceptible towards graveyard hate after it has landed. It's also less vulnerable than Delve critters to bounce effects. Deathtouch making it useful even as a paltry 1/1 it another nice upside. I like it, but I don't know where it'll fit in (if anywhere). I think I'll pre-order a playset, it's worth it for the imo awesome artwork alone :)

[Smuggo]

Maybe in U/R Delver? They don't play Stormchaser Mage anymore, but they still have Delver and Pteramander as flyers. They like drawing cards, and they can always cast it for 3, worst case scenario.

Night's Whisper sees play and is one to compare it to, and with this you can stay in blue.

U/R builds at the moment are more often playing Deadhorde Arcanist instead of Pteramander and I don't think a draw 2 for 2 is likely to tempt people back when Arcanist can brainstorm/ponder/preordain/bolt from the GY every turn.

[rufus]

[Embodiment of Agonies]

I wonder if split cards count for one or two mana costs.

[Smuggo]

I wonder if split cards count for one or two mana costs.

I believe the rule is the whole card is taken into account for mana cost checks except when it's on the stack, so I'd expect it would count for a single, combined mana cost.

[Tylert]

I believe the rule is the whole card is taken into account for mana cost checks except when it's on the stack, so I'd expect it would count for a single, combined mana cost.

WHat about hybrid and phyrexian mana costs? :)
Let's hope it will be considered as a different mana cost.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

WHat about hybrid and phyrexian mana costs? :)
Let's hope it will be considered as a different mana cost.

Those are different costs. A phyrexian mana isn't a Blue mana, which isn't a hybrid mana.
As for split cards, see rule 708.4b which says a split card's cost is the combined cost of both halves. Meaning Life // Death and Pernicous deed have the same cost while in the graveyard, and Giant Growth would have a different cost.

[morgan_coke]

So the new demon, it counts lands as a "no-cost", right? Which should be the same as stuff like Ancestral Vision, but different than say, Tormod's Crypt. I mean, that suckers usually going to be a 4/4+, right? The biggest drawback I see is that it will count Brainstorm and Ponder as the same thing.

[PirateKing]

So the new demon, it counts lands as a "no-cost", right? Which should be the same as stuff like Ancestral Vision, but different than say, Tormod's Crypt. I mean, that suckers usually going to be a 4/4+, right? The biggest drawback I see is that it will count Brainstorm and Ponder as the same thing.
It says nonland cards. So you need to have a 0 cost spell in your graveyard if you want that included in the count.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/xv97tbb4kb631.png
How long until Workshop is restricted in Vintage?

[morgan_coke]

https://i.redd.it/xv97tbb4kb631.png
How long until Workshop is restricted in Vintage?

Never. Just like Bazaar, Workshops is one of the "pillars" of Vintage, they'll just keep nuking anything that puts it over the top like Lodestone Golem. Honestly that's not better than a lot of options Shops in Vintage has now at 4 mana.

[Cire]

I know there's a puresteel paladin deck in modern - plus the following as an aggro option, and maybe some tier 3 list to work in legacy?

Colossus Hammer 1
Artifact-Equipment
Equipped creature gets +10/+10 and loses flying.
Equip 8

[BenBleiweiss]

T1 Infect Elf
T2 Sigarda's Aid, win

[Barook]

Never. Just like Bazaar, Workshops is one of the "pillars" of Vintage, they'll just keep nuking anything that puts it over the top like Lodestone Golem. Honestly that's not better than a lot of options Shops in Vintage has now at 4 mana.
Can't wait for the day where Vintage Workshop becomes a highlander clownshow with each of one card + 4x Workshop.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I know there's a puresteel paladin deck in modern - plus the following as an aggro option, and maybe some tier 3 list to work in legacy?

Colossus Hammer 1
Artifact-Equipment
Equipped creature gets +10/+10 and loses flying.
Equip 8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLCoxzijETg

[Barook]

T1 Infect Elf
T2 Sigarda's Aid, win
That's a good find, although double strikers are on-color Sigarda's Aid and E-Tutor to fetch either combo piece. Might be worth brewing a janky deck with Puresteel Paladin.

[rufus]

That's a good find, although double strikers are on-color Sigarda's Aid and E-Tutor to fetch either combo piece. Might be worth brewing a janky deck with Puresteel Paladin.

And throw in Kazuul's Toll Collector and Sunforger for more fun? It seems marginal to try to put two cards together without it winning right away.

[Cire]

That's a good find, although double strikers are on-color Sigarda's Aid and E-Tutor to fetch either combo piece. Might be worth brewing a janky deck with Puresteel Paladin.

Here's an absolutely rough list

Colossus Jank

4 Puresteel Paladin
4 SFM
4 Kor Duelist

4 STP
4 Sigarda's Aid
4 Enlightened tutor
5 Tutor Targets

4 Mox Opal
4 Colossus Hammer
1 Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Whatever

4 Blinkmoth Nexus
4 Ancient Den
12 Plains

[ReAnimator]

https://i.imgur.com/73U3lrV.png

A 2 mana stifle with the added bonus of being able to counter planeswalkers.

[rufus]

Any thoughts on Brought Back (Faith's Reward for two target permanents) in legacy? Recycling two fetchlands for WW is pretty strong.

[Megadeus]

Any thoughts on Brought Back (Faith's Reward for two target permanents) in legacy? Recycling two fetchlands for WW is pretty strong.

Gets back Lotus Blooms

[morgan_coke]

Any thoughts on Brought Back (Faith's Reward for two target permanents) in legacy? Recycling two fetchlands for WW is pretty strong.

That's really strong conditionally. Good answer to a non-Terminus wrath effect, can rebuy planeswalkers after an Elderspell or attack phase, fetches and wastelands, any kind of sacrifice this: do something card, planeswalker re-buy after an ultimate, etc. The lack of a limit on the CMC of what you're bringing back is what makes it good.

Not Legacy relevant, but also works on Saga enchantments.

EDIT: duh, in-same-set combo with Lotus Fields sacrifice cost. That might end up being very relevant in the right deck.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/dq3qzr99sc631.jpg
Ball Lightning
Blistering Firecat
Flickerwisp
Lightning Skelemental
Groundbreaker
Hellspark Elemental / Spark Elemental
Spark Trooper

Obv. not Legacy playable, but cute!

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Thunderkin Awakener
1R
Haste
When it attacks put an elemental from your graveyard into play tapped and attacking with a toughness less than Thunderkin's Toughtness.
Lightning Skelemental, Ball Lightning, and Groundbreaker are all elementals with a toughness less than Thunderkin Awakener.
Force of Savagery too, but reanimating something with zero toughness isn't too helpful.
Primacrux is a 6/6 that is probably a 0/0 in the graveyard, Savage Firecat is a 7/7 if you don't tap mana.

EFB

[Barook]

That's really strong conditionally. Good answer to a non-Terminus wrath effect, can rebuy planeswalkers after an Elderspell or attack phase, fetches and wastelands, any kind of sacrifice this: do something card, planeswalker re-buy after an ultimate, etc. The lack of a limit on the CMC of what you're bringing back is what makes it good.

Not Legacy relevant, but also works on Saga enchantments.

EDIT: duh, in-same-set combo with Lotus Fields sacrifice cost. That might end up being very relevant in the right deck.
Double ramp in non-green white decks seems pretty relevant if the opportunity cost is merely "run fetches". It also works in tandem with Snapcaster Mage for extra stupidity:

T2: Double fetch, cast it, bring back both fetches
T3: sac both fetches again, cast Snapcaster targeting Brought Back, flashback it, return both fetches again
T4: sac fetches, grab lands at will

With no further land drops and at the cost of effectively a single card (and 6 life), you have a minimum 6 mana available (up to 8, if you have additional lands in hand), thinned your deck alot and +3 CA. The opportunity cost for this seems pretty low if you're already running fetches and Snapcast, aka a metric shitton of decks.

[Finn]

Yeah, but blue and white already have lots of slow card advantage. At two white it has to compete with the stuff you already see in Miracles.
How about Bring Back with Evoke? Kinda mana hungry maybe. But in Barook’s example, that might not be a problem.

[Cire]

Lightning Skelemental


I kinda like it with Skelemental.

Turn 1 - Faithless Looting
Turn 2 - Thunderkin - attack for 7 and opponent discards 2 cards?

Spitebellows to kill a creature.
Cytoplast Root-Kin - and then start getting Elementals with power toughness equal to 2?
Spark Trooper for life gain
Vesperlark? Get another target creature with power 1 or less out on the battlefield (works great with Cytoplast)

[sco0ter]

Ball Lightning
Blistering Firecat
Flickerwisp
Lightning Skelemental
Groundbreaker
Hellspark Elemental / Spark Elemental
Spark Trooper

Obv. not Legacy playable, but cute!

Anybody still remembering the "LA Mental Bidding (https://decks.tcgplayer.com/magic/freeform/greg-weiss/la-mental/39694)" deck from 2005 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHA6D0Bt2O0)? :eek:

[morgan_coke]

Hrmm. How about Bring Back with Greater Good and Yosei, the Morning Star? That was a pretty solid deck in Standard or Modern once upon a time. With Bring Back working as both combo piece and ramp, it seems like a pretty strong include.

Let's see:
T1, Temple Garden, Sakura-Tribe Scout (Elvish Farmer and the like work here as well)
T2, Flagstones, Lotus Field, Bring Back
T3, Any land, Yosei
T4, Greater Good, begin the winning

That's probably too slow, and it's magical christmas land, but there are plenty of better/much more likely versions of that sequence that still end up with you having Yosei and Good in play on turn 4.

I dunno, but that card has an absolute ton of fun potential. Works with the new crop rotation Elf too. Sac a land find a fetch, pop the fetch, cast this, get them both back.

[Barook]

Yeah, but blue and white already have lots of slow card advantage. At two white it has to compete with the stuff you already see in Miracles.
How about Bring Back with Evoke? Kinda mana hungry maybe. But in Barook’s example, that might not be a problem.
Even if you jump with a Snapcaster Mage, you can bring it back and then cast something. That's somewhat like an arguably better Mission Briefing. At worst, it would be an instant speed Wild Growth with a single fetch.


I kinda like it with Skelemental.

Turn 1 - Faithless Looting
Turn 2 - Thunderkin - attack for 7 and opponent discards 2 cards?
The really scary part is that it's repeatable since it sacs the elementals instead of exiling them.

Flamekin Harbinger can be used to set up things (and as a repeatable tutor if you have a sac outlet). Flickerwisp shenanigans are a possibility, depening on how you set things up. Igneous Pouncer can set up itself while grabbing a land.

Throw in some Entombs and Unearths and things are getting spicy.

[rufus]

...
The really scary part is that it's repeatable since it sacs the elementals instead of exiling them.
...

I wonder if the synergy with Vesperlark is deliberate.

[ESG]

https://i.redd.it/xv97tbb4kb631.png

Mmmm! Can't wait to chain Reality Smashers with this card.

[mistercakes]

you'll need a lot of mana for that :P maybe have an eye out at least, then it's only 8.

[Tylert]

About Brought back:

RW Sneak attack + Through the breach? or is it overkill? :)

[Gheizen64]

https://i.redd.it/xv97tbb4kb631.png

Mmmm! Can't wait to chain Reality Smashers with this card.

By far the best card advantage artifact they ever printed at 4. Workshopable future sight? Yes please.

[Barook]

you'll need a lot of mana for that :P maybe have an eye out at least, then it's only 8.
Two Reality Smashers with Eye out cost 6 total, though.

[BenBleiweiss]

By far the best card advantage artifact they ever printed at 4. Workshopable future sight? Yes please.

Forge + SDT = completely insane.

[Megadeus]

Forge + SDT = completely insane.

Every day I'm more happy that top was banned

[BenBleiweiss]

Every day I'm more happy that top was banned

Forge + SDT + any mana reduction for artifacts (Helm of Awakening) = draw your deck.

Forge + SDT + Workshop = draw 3 a turn, minimum

[Cire]

Forge + SDT = completely insane.

It's crazy how good SDT is . . . the closest card to do what it does that I found in gatherer is just soothsaying.

[rufus]

Forge + SDT = completely insane.

They've printed a whole slew of these top deck things recently - precognition field, epic experiment, citadel, and now mystic forge.

I wonder whether mystic forge will find a spot in affinity.


On the sillier side: Can you cast morph creatures face down with Mystic Forge?

[Barook]

Forge + SDT + any mana reduction for artifacts (Helm of Awakening) = draw your deck.

Forge + SDT + Workshop = draw 3 a turn, minimum
Paradox Engine + artifact mana might also be pretty silly.

[H]

Every day I'm more happy that top was banned

Yeah, the card is just really absurdly designed and overly abusive in practice.


They've printed a whole slew of these top deck things recently - precognition field, epic experiment, citadel, and now mystic forge.

Which is exactly what I figured would happen and was a factor for why it got banned.


On the sillier side: Can you cast morph creatures face down with Mystic Forge?

I think the answer is no, unless the Morph card was an Artifact or a colorless non-land on it's front side, because most Morph cards are only a colorless spell on the stack, not in any other zone.

[BenBleiweiss]

They've printed a whole slew of these top deck things recently - precognition field, epic experiment, citadel, and now mystic forge.

I wonder whether mystic forge will find a spot in affinity.


On the sillier side: Can you cast morph creatures face down with Mystic Forge?

No, because they are still whatever color they are while in your library - but can't hurt to ask :)

[BenBleiweiss]

https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/4/9/49283832-54f2-4619-b4a9-750493c93292.jpg?1561426274
Also figure this should be posted up, since it's hits cards you self-discard & cards you're forced to discard.

[Tylert]

No, because they are still whatever color they are while in your library - but can't hurt to ask :)

but, You can probably cast with mystic forge an artifact card that has a morph cost. At the end of the game you'll have to reveal it in order to prove it was an artifact and a morph creature.
However, there are some spells that might shuffle the creature in the Library without letting the opponent see what was the card and that might be a problem so they might want to remove that possibility by creating a special ruling.
Anyone knows what happens when you cast for example totally lost on a morphed creature? does it's owner has to reveal it?

[rufus]

Regarding the "it's not colorless in the library"


702.36cTo cast a card using its morph ability, turn it face down. It becomes a 2/2 face-down creature cardwith no text, no name, no subtypes, and no mana cost. Any effects or prohibitions that would apply to casting a card with these characteristics (and not the face-up card’s characteristics) are applied to casting this card ...
707.4. Objects that are cast face down are turned face down before they are put onto the stack, so effects that care about the characteristics of a spell will see only the face-down spell’s characteristics. Any effects or prohibitions that would apply to casting an object with these characteristics (and not the face-up object’s characteristics) are applied to casting this object. The permanent the spell becomes will be a face-down permanent
...





...
Anyone knows what happens when you cast for example totally lost on a morphed creature? does it's owner has to reveal it?

They get revealed:



707.9. If a face-down permanent moves from the battlefield to any other zone, its owner must reveal it to all players as theymove it. If a face-down spell moves from the stack to any zone other than the battlefield, its owner must reveal it to all players as theymove it. If a player leaves the game, all face-down permanents and spells owned by that player must be revealed to all players. At the end of each game, all face-down permanents and spells must be revealed to all players.

[Scott]

Any thoughts on Brought Back (Faith's Reward for two target permanents) in legacy? Recycling two fetchlands for WW is pretty strong.


Gets back Lotus Blooms

Also Lion's Eye Diamonds, whose ability does not require tapping, which not everyone knows.

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/274/197/636969915172359882.jpeg

[bruizar]

Also Lion's Eye Diamonds, whose ability does not require tapping, which not everyone knows.

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/274/197/636969915172359882.jpeg

Evoke creatures like mulldrifter and ingot chewer work well, also martyr of sands in life deck, children of korlis, anything with a sac outlet, maybe even baubles even thought it aint second sunrise

[Megadeus]

Also Lion's Eye Diamonds, whose ability does not require tapping, which not everyone knows.

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/274/197/636969915172359882.jpeg
I'm not sure this works actually. You would need to cast this holding priority and crack LED, but you can't Target the LED with this unfortunately because it isn't in the yard with this on the stack.

[Matsu]

https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/4/9/49283832-54f2-4619-b4a9-750493c93292.jpg?1561426274
Also figure this should be posted up, since it's hits cards you self-discard & cards you're forced to discard.

Can we abuse this with cycling cards or other crazy things like LED or Fluctuator?

[rufus]

Can we abuse this with cycling cards or other crazy things like LED or Fluctuator?

The problem is that you pay 4 to get them back, which is pretty huge by legacy standards. Also, we already have Shadow of the Grave.

[mistercakes]

Can we abuse this with cycling cards or other crazy things like LED or Fluctuator?

i would look to use it with cards that say Discard X, Draw X. i'm not sure the effect is strong enough. i do like that idea of using it with cycling cards. that's a nice interaction i overlooked.

[Scott]

I'm not sure this works actually. You would need to cast this holding priority and crack LED, but you can't Target the LED with this unfortunately because it isn't in the yard with this on the stack.

I was more thinking about LEDs that had been binned earlier in the turn, and getting to use them twice in a turn because their wording avoids Brought Back's ETB tapped restriction, but definitely, it's not as abusable because you can't pay for Brought Back with LEDs and bring back the same ones.

[Bithlord]

I'm not sure this works actually. You would need to cast this holding priority and crack LED, but you can't Target the LED with this unfortunately because it isn't in the yard with this on the stack.

Presumably there are intervening actions that have allowed you to draw/tutor cards resulting in this being in your hand the turn you "go off" but after having used the LED's.

[Megadeus]

I actually missed that stuff comes back tapped. That kind of sucks. Doesn't work with Lotus Bloom then

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Presumably there are intervening actions that have allowed you to draw/tutor cards resulting in this being in your hand the turn you "go off" but after having used the LED's.

Could be nice if you go the Past in Flames route.

Something like get 2 leds, flashback Brought Back them leds again... much strom much mana...

But you cant grab it with burning wish so yeah its probaly too cute considering it only works with leds!

[sco0ter]

Brought Back works with 2x Phyrexian Dreadnought, too:
Play both, sacrifice both, bring back, sacrifice one to the other.

But probably not worth the trouble.

[bruizar]

I'm loving standard elementals. Will probably creep into modern as a fringe tribal deck.

[Barook]

I'm loving standard elementals. Will probably creep into modern as a fringe tribal deck.
Do you have a decklist? Risen Reef seems hilarious.

[bruizar]

Do you have a decklist? Risen Reef seems hilarious.

The first list that emerged was this one:
https://twitter.com/Em_TeeGee/status/1145853647248490497

But now the pro's are all over Omnath/Chandra/Risen Reef/Steamkin Runaway/Nissa (Nissa makes elementals)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-bjmIBUcAACbgW.jpg:large

More lists here:
https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/franklepore-07032019-harnessing-the-elementals

For Modern, Seasoned Pyromancer and Young Pyromancer combine incredibly well with Risen Reef.

[morgan_coke]

Speaking of hilarious standard lists, I've been messing around with Dinosaur Domain Golos Field on Arena, and while I wouldn't necessarily say it's good, it's a blast to play.

[bruizar]

I'm also liking Knight of the Ebon Legion. It's such a nice card design.

He starts off as a 1 drop, but you can pump him to 4 power to make him trigger himself, but he also triggers on self inflicted damage because it says "a player", not "an opponent". This means you could play a fetchland and grab an untapped shockland to do 3 damage to yourself and maybe tap a Horizon land, or you can tap a Horizon land on a turn where your opponent throws a bolt at your face. Unfortunately the ability only works on your turn, not on your opponent's turn. This card also plays well with Adanto Vanguard.

This one is not legacy competitive, but it might have been if it triggered on "total life lost this turn", triggered on every end step, and if its pump gave it +3/+3 and Lifelink instead of +3/+3 Deathtouch. Still a cool card.


Dread Presence is also kind of interesting for black stax builds or even as a anti-burn sideboard card for Eldrazi lists with Urborgs. It offsets the pain of Ancient Tomb while pressuring life totals, or digs you into gas.

Finally, I wonder if Golos, Tireless Pilgrim will find a place in Cloudpost decks. It is probably slow, but I like the idea of grabbing a Karakas and bouncing / replaying it while ramping your Locus lands and life up to the point that you cannot be raced anymore. It gives the deck inevitability from a different angle, although that might not be necessary. The obvious combo is dark depths / thespian stage, but I think other decks do this better.

[Scott]

It's 6:30 AM and I'm sleepy and hungry, and I don't play Elves, but even though the land ETB tapped, I feel like Elves would like a 1-drop Elf that tutors for Cradle (or Pendelhaven), right? Also, nice stats on the creature itself.

Cool to see it pan out, Elvish Reclaimer making its way into a successful Elves list.

https://i.imgur.com/8V8DlGF.png

[sco0ter]

Honestly, Field of the Dead isnt even playable in standard or modern.

Worst card evaluation I've ever read. :laugh:

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/october-21-2019-banned-and-restricted-announcement?s