Core Set 2020 Spoilers

[BenBleiweiss]

Let's get this Chandra party started!
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/vyup8b7wrzbfuqtyroyv.png
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/qjmlchnpwtmgq2tjzfus.png
https://i.redd.it/0q7zdt6j4r331.jpg

The Rare one seems really good for Legacy.

[Dice_Box]

So another walker heavy set. At least they are not one sided Enchantments.

[Finn]

So another walker heavy set. At least they are not one sided Enchantments.

I like them all. The rare one could be good with Purphoros, God of the Forge. But these look like they are supposed to entirely replace creatures with just lots of planeswalkers as a sort-of quasi-tribe thing.

[Erdvermampfa]

Uncounterability + immediate & repeatable emblems that are irremovable is the worst design decision I've seen since TNN.

[lavafrogg]

Uncounterability + immediate & repeatable emblems that are irremovable is the worst design decision I've seen since TNN.

The card does cost 6... same effect on a 3 drop is ridiculous and would kill faster than a TNN if left unchecked.

[Poron]

we really need an emblem remover now. Poor Chandra ToD

[jmlima]

Great stuff. Just as we're having an indigestion of planeswalkers, here come more.

The funny bit is that someone at wotc must have thought this was a great marketing strategy, turning the game into 'creatures against planeswalkers'. Of course, you then go and read the arena beta forums and realize that new players are actually totally fed-up of playing against planeswalkers.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I didn't even have *sniff* to demand them. They're already here.
:cry:

[Poron]

Pithing Needle is great back again

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Great stuff. Just as we're having an indigestion of planeswalkers, here come more.

The funny bit is that someone at wotc must have thought this was a great marketing strategy, turning the game into 'creatures against planeswalkers'. Of course, you then go and read the arena beta forums and realize that new players are actually totally fed-up of playing against planeswalkers.

Planeswalkers were a mistake.

[Barook]

The funny bit is that someone at wotc must have thought this was a great marketing strategy, turning the game into 'creatures against planeswalkers'. Of course, you then go and read the arena beta forums and realize that new players are actually totally fed-up of playing against planeswalkers.
It's the typical cycle:

Players: "We like 'thing'."

WotC: "Ok, let's overdo 'thing' until everybody and their mother is sick of it. Then we're going to jump on the next fad."

[mistercakes]

6 drop is really funny for belcher decks and ruby storm. not sure if it's impactful enough, but against a deck like miracles or grixis control i think it could get there.

[Cire]

T1 Fetch land, Chrome Mox/Mox Diamond, W&6 --> Get back Fetch Land (W&6 @ 4)
T2 Fetch land, Chandra, Acolyte of Flame --> Get back Fetch Land (W&6 @ 5), use CAF's ability (CAF @5, W&6@6)
T3 Lighting Bolt (or any other spell you want to retrace over and over) --> use CAF's ability (CAF @6, W&6@7) --> Discard Fetch Land, Lightning Bolt (assuming you have a land to discard every turn, with Chandra still out, this is a 3 turn clock - with you killing them on turn 5).

Seems best with W&6, but also interesting with Dack Fayden, Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast, Saheeli Rai, & Sarkhan, Fireblood.

[morgan_coke]

Really looking forward to yet another three Jace 'walkers.

Who do we think we're getting for the white ones? Elspeth returned? Ajani again? All-white Kaya?

[Megadeus]

Fuck this game. I hate walkers

[mistercakes]

T1 Fetch land, Chrome Mox/Mox Diamond, W&6 --> Get back Fetch Land (W&6 @ 4)
T2 Fetch land, Chandra, Acolyte of Flame --> Get back Fetch Land (W&6 @ 5), use CAF's ability (CAF @5, W&6@6)
T3 Lighting Bolt (or any other spell you want to retrace over and over) --> use CAF's ability (CAF @6, W&6@7) --> Discard Fetch Land, Lightning Bolt (assuming you have a land to discard every turn, with Chandra still out, this is a 3 turn clock - with you killing them on turn 5).

Seems best with W&6, but also interesting with Dack Fayden, Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast, Saheeli Rai, & Sarkhan, Fireblood.

I like torch of Defiance the most here, there's some other good ones too, but this is definitely the strongest.

Let's say you have something like turn 2 Chandra ToD. Turn 3 you can +RR and csst the new one, getting +1 loyalty. Next turn you can use the +1 loyalty and get the emblem. Then you just need any 4 spells.

If looking for some weird kinds of decks you can cast seething song into tod into this new one on turn 1 if you play sol lands and ssg. Not sure if that's any good, but interesting that this line exists for a turn 2 ult torch of Defiance.

[PirateKing]

Really looking forward to yet another three Jace 'walkers.

Who do we think we're getting for the white ones? Elspeth returned? Ajani again? All-white Kaya?

https://mobile.twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1138505814426021893

You'll have to wait until the next set to find out, only Chandra gets the trinity set

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

The card does cost 6... same effect on a 3 drop is ridiculous and would kill faster than a TNN if left unchecked.

One something is the worst since a different thing, the premise is that the different thing is worse, because The comparison is more impactful the further back you go.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

6 drop is really funny for belcher decks and ruby storm. not sure if it's impactful enough, but against a deck like miracles or grixis control i think it could get there.
T1 Chandra, emblem
1 damage, 19
T2, emblem
2 damage, 17
T3, emblem
3 damage, 14
T4, emblem
4 damage, 10
T5, emblem
5 damage, 5
T6 Aria of Flame!? What are you doing? 15 Cast the 4 spells you drew, 15-1-2-3-4, 5. Chandra emblem.
They die on the upkeep.

Or they would have but on turn three they cast personal sanctuary. Sorry.

[morgan_coke]

Is it just me or did they change Chandra's features to be asian in this set? Like, I did a quick google image search of Chandra to double check, and her features are pretty noticeably changed here, in all three pictures by two different artists, so it's not just one persons interpretation.

Anyone else seeing that? Or am I just old/blind/crazy?

[FTW]

T1 Chandra, emblem
1 damage, 19
T2, emblem
2 damage, 17
T3, emblem
3 damage, 14
T4, emblem
4 damage, 10
T5, emblem
5 damage, 5
T6 Aria of Flame!? What are you doing? 15 Cast the 4 spells you drew, 15-1-2-3-4, 5. Chandra emblem.
They die on the upkeep.


T1 -> 6 mana -> Burning Wish -> Empty the Warrens for 12-14 goblins.
T2 12 damage, 8
T3 dead

Of course if you have 7 mana you can just go
T1 -> Belcher -> 40 damage

[Megadeus]

T1 -> 6 mana -> Burning Wish -> Empty the Warrens for 12-14 goblins.
T2 12 damage, 8
T3 dead

Of course if you have 7 mana you can just go
T1 -> Belcher -> 40 damage
Well with this theoretical deck at least in the case of Belcher you actually get to run lands. That's usually a good plus. Also this shits on Force of Will

[FTW]

Also this shits on Force of Will

Unless you plan on tapping 6 Mountain, not really. They Force one of the rituals (e.g. Desperate Ritual, Seething Song, LED, Manamorphose) to bottleneck you on mana and make you fizzle, in case your win condition was Empty the Warrens from hand (can't Force).

A major drawback is Chandra requires you to hit 6 mana without LED. Belcher's expensive win lines can use LED: 6 mana for Burning Wish into EtW (cracking LED), 7 mana for Belcher + activate. Without LED they only need 4 mana (EtW from hand, or cast Belcher and pass). 6 mana without LED is not easy for that deck and will definitely lose to FoW on Seething Song.

You can play more lands to hit 6 mana, but then it's not turn 1.

[Lemon]

Is it just me or did they change Chandra's features to be asian in this set? Like, I did a quick google image search of Chandra to double check, and her features are pretty noticeably changed here, in all three pictures by two different artists, so it's not just one persons interpretation.

Anyone else seeing that? Or am I just old/blind/crazy?

I think it's just Anna's style. If you look at her other work they seem to be along those lines.
https://scryfall.com/search?q=a%3A%E2%80%9CAnna+Steinbauer%E2%80%9D&unique=art

Also, you're more noticing the shadow her brow casts over her eyes, since her eyes are so light and the image quality isn't stellar.

[Megadeus]

Unless you plan on tapping 6 Mountain, not really. They Force one of the rituals (e.g. Desperate Ritual, Seething Song, LED, Manamorphose) to bottleneck you on mana and make you fizzle, in case your win condition was Empty the Warrens from hand (can't Force).

A major drawback is Chandra requires you to hit 6 mana without LED. Belcher's expensive win lines can use LED: 6 mana for Burning Wish into EtW (cracking LED), 7 mana for Belcher + activate. Without LED they only need 4 mana (EtW from hand, or cast Belcher and pass). 6 mana without LED is not easy for that deck and will definitely lose to FoW on Seething Song.

You can play more lands to hit 6 mana, but then it's not turn 1.
And this deck gets to be much more consistent so even if it's not turn 1, turning a ritual into a hymn is probably fine too. This deck has a possible secondary game plan of turn 1 blood moons or something equally devastating. There's a reason big red sneak attack is generally considered to be better than Belcher

[FTW]

And this deck gets to be much more consistent so even if it's not turn 1, turning a ritual into a hymn is probably fine too. This deck has a possible secondary game plan of turn 1 blood moons or something equally devastating. There's a reason big red sneak attack is generally considered to be better than Belcher

Yeah Chandra is easier to cast in a Big Red shell. The question is whether she's better at 6 mana than just playing Karn into Mycosynth Lattice, Sneak/Through the Breach into Emrakul, or going off with Ruby Storm. Those other plays basically win the game on the spot. Chandra's does beat FoW and can control the board and slowly win, but is that better than one of those other big plays?

[bruizar]

I like the mythic pw, would be interesting to play this in red mud. Too bad it is double red instead of single red, would be nice to go ancient tomb, monolith, mountain, chandra emblem or removal

[Matsu]

I did not have started to properly check MH cards to maybe incorporate something into my decks and we have another set incoming. If you are not treating this game as a fun hobby, you have to playtest all the time or have some inside information. This game is becoming more and more a Money Sink and too much time consuming. Not wandering Legacy tourny are becoming less and less popular.

Concerning Chandra:
The Rare might be good in some UR Prowess/UR Pyromacer deck.
Mythic in some Stax Shell, the emblem fits well into the whole concept of a stax deck (i still think the "emblem" might be too stronk), but for 6 mana might be a bit to slow. Her -X is great to control the board. #

Good cards, I am still waiting for a good G/GB PW.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Good cards, I am still waiting for a good G/GB PW.
Don't worry! When then decide it's time they'll make 40 of them all once...

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

red mud.

Clay?

[rufus]

WotC has heard the demands for "more than just damage" and has decided to include the ephemeral elementals part of Red's portfolio more heavily.

The rare one seems like it has a bit of potential. The uncommon is another enabler for planebound accomplice jank.

I'm guessing the mythic is intended as a way to give red decks reach against control.

[Finn]

Rufus, the mythic is a very interesting to me because it looks like it puts red in a position that is hard to make work - a red deck with inevitability. In fact I think this card will get paired with blue or white to avoid that conundrum. I actually applaud these guys for carving out this space. A few more cards like this and we might get the threshold necessary for Modern (probably not Legacy) to make a go of red control.

[jmlima]

And just because you want it so much, with Core 2020 one of the more pernicious feature of Arena moves into the paper world:


1. Best-of-one events. More Magic, less waiting. These events will run in Premium locations between August 1 and September 15, and they'll be identifiable in the Store and Event Locator.

https://wpn.wizards.com/en/article/m20-15-changes-every-retailer-should-know

[Cire]

And just because you want it so much, with Core 2020 one of the more pernicious feature of Arena moves into the paper world:



https://wpn.wizards.com/en/article/m20-15-changes-every-retailer-should-know

If this becomes the norm, plus the London Muligan will non-combo decks be forced to just run 4 FOW and 4 FON to survive turns 1-2?

[Megadeus]

Belcher players can go play coinflip with each other while everyone else actually goes and plays magic in 3 game rounds

[Smuggo]

The WAR gimmick was kinda cool but I really don't want to see MtG devolve in to planeswalker central. They made JTMS in the early days and that should have been a good lesson in why they shouldn't muck about with this stupid card type.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

The WAR gimmick was kinda cool but I really don't want to see MtG devolve in to planeswalker central. They made JTMS in the early days and that should have been a good lesson in why they shouldn't muck about with this stupid card type.

Just eratta all removal spells. Terminate can hit planeswalkers now. Lillana can be pushed. Sorin and Nahari can each beat their swords into plowshares.

[Megadeus]

Just eratta all removal spells. Terminate can hit planeswalkers now. Lillana can be pushed. Sorin and Nahari can each beat their swords into plowshares.

I wish at least incidental player damage like volcanic fallout and fiery confluence at least could still take out walkers

[Lava Snacks]

And just because you want it so much, with Core 2020 one of the more pernicious feature of Arena moves into the paper world:


1. Best-of-one events. More Magic, less waiting. These events will run in Premium locations between August 1 and September 15, and they'll be identifiable in the Store and Event Locator.

https://wpn.wizards.com/en/article/m20-15-changes-every-retailer-should-know

Me going to different stores and acting goofy, hustling best-of-one tables with Manaless

https://i.imgur.com/xUUcrQE.png

[bruizar]

I did not have started to properly check MH cards to maybe incorporate something into my decks and we have another set incoming. If you are not treating this game as a fun hobby, you have to playtest all the time or have some inside information. This game is becoming more and more a Money Sink and too much time consuming. Not wandering Legacy tourny are becoming less and less popular.

Concerning Chandra:
The Rare might be good in some UR Prowess/UR Pyromacer deck.
Mythic in some Stax Shell, the emblem fits well into the whole concept of a stax deck (i still think the "emblem" might be too stronk), but for 6 mana might be a bit to slow. Her -X is great to control the board. #

Good cards, I am still waiting for a good G/GB PW.

Yes im getting serious player and wallet fatigue. Ifthey keep printing so manysets i will etop bothering. I already stopped playing standard due to all the supplemental sets that i need to buy to keep my eternal collection up to date

[Poron]

that should be the opposite. Standard should be played in case of wallet problem.

And we should just buy the deck and not boosters

[alvoi]

that should be the opposite. Standard should be played in case of wallet problem.

Standard is too expensive, having to buy new cards each set is bad and seeing all cards lose value is frustrating. I prefer buying a dual than a Standard deck

[Tylert]

that should be the opposite. Standard should be played in case of wallet problem.

And we should just buy the deck and not boosters

You forget about all those people playing limited...

[Smuggo]

With MTG Arena now I see no reason to ever spend money on standard or limited again. I've only bought two one-time bundles on there for $20 total and have four standard decks and have played an absolute ton of drafts. Me and my friends only play EDH with proxies so my only real mtg expense now is new stuff to try out with my legacy deck which there have actually been quite a few of recently but nothing especially expensive. Currently looking to get four Dreadhorde Arcanists.

[Poron]

With MTG Arena now I see no reason to ever spend money on standard or limited again. I've only bought two one-time bundles on there for $20 total and have four standard decks and have played an absolute ton of drafts. Me and my friends only play EDH with proxies so my only real mtg expense now is new stuff to try out with my legacy deck which there have actually been quite a few of recently but nothing especially expensive. Currently looking to get four Dreadhorde Arcanists.

yeah, I think that paper magic is going to die in some year. It makes so much sense for WotC to concentrate everything there. Direct platform with the customer and now the only way a player has to get a card is just with boosters.

10-0 for WotC and Arena. Imho even MtGO will lose appeal and customer care

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

that should be the opposite. Standard should be played in case of wallet problem.

And we should just buy the deck and not boosters

You forget: I already own a legacy deck. Even if I already owned a standard deck too, I will have to replace it in a year.

[Barook]

yeah, I think that paper magic is going to die in some year. It makes so much sense for WotC to concentrate everything there. Direct platform with the customer and now the only way a player has to get a card is just with boosters.

10-0 for WotC and Arena. Imho even MtGO will lose appeal and customer care
As long as Paper is profitable, there's no way they're going Digital only. Arena might be successful, but even the mighty can fall (see: Hearthstone) and then WotC would be fucked. And we still haven't seen the effects of a Standard rotation on the playerbase on Arena.

[jmlima]

... And we still haven't seen the effects of a Standard rotation on the playerbase on Arena.

Some people are starting to question it. I even read a rumour that modern horizons would be placed in arena as part of the new format.

Having said that we know scooby all for certain, rotation is around the corner and if you note the reddit thread about the last patch some people are also getting slightly miffed because all they see are cosmetic improvements and nothing else.

In summary, the natives are getting restless.

[Tylert]

Some people are starting to question it. I even read a rumour that modern horizons would be placed in arena as part of the new format.

Having said that we know scooby all for certain, rotation is around the corner and if you note the reddit thread about the last patch some people are also getting slightly miffed because all they see are cosmetic improvements and nothing else.

In summary, the natives are getting restless.

It's still deeper than Hearthstone. MTGA is not going to die soon too :)

[jmlima]

And the new spoiler is... edh chaff.

https://i.redd.it/x8hyiibibv431.png

And the next, you guessed it, more edh:

https://i.redd.it/vhsrg1ussv431.jpg

[Poron]

Too bad Ashiok works only on the spells he controls

[Megadeus]

Is the weird 2 way Vamp Tutor maybe good enough? Probably not without probe legal is my thought.

[Poron]

well definitely a very good tool for combo deck when London Mulligan becomes the rule

[jmlima]

EDH 2020 Core Set continues:

https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/spoiler-magic-core-set-2020-wachwurzel-elementar,3345401.html

[Barook]

Would the Angel be any good in Modern Soul Sisters?

As for the twin tutor, Leonin Arbiter and Aven Mindcensor would probably be the best way to abuse it.

[mistercakes]

Can we just talk about how great this new vamp tutor card's art work is for a second?

Okay. That felt good.

[Megadeus]

EDH 2020 Core Set continues:

https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/spoiler-magic-core-set-2020-wachwurzel-elementar,3345401.html

For those that don't speak German? Looks like GGGGG make a land a 5/5 until eot? Or maybe permanently

[Barook]

Would the Angel be any good in Modern Soul Sisters?

As for the twin tutor, Leonin Arbiter and Aven Mindcensor would probably be the best way to abuse it.


EDH 2020 Core Set continues:

https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/spoiler-magic-core-set-2020-wachwurzel-elementar,3345401.html

https://10images.cgames.de/images/gamestar/204/magic-the-gathering-arena_6069939.jpg

That as long as Gaea's Cradle can produce 6 or more mana, that's infinite mana and all your lands turn into permanent 5/5s with haste.

[Jain_Mor]

Step 1: cast duo-vamp tutor
Step 2: cast Thought Scour
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit!

[Barook]

Step 1: cast duo-vamp tutor
Step 2: cast Thought Scour
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit!
You're an evil man. Let's throw in Surgical for good measure. Hell, you can tutor for Surgical, Scour them and draw Surgical, then entirely remove their best card.

[Mr. Safety]

If ever there was a time to sandbag a Brainstorm, this is it. I don't know if it's worth the risk. You can tutor your card, they get theirs, they Brainstorm in response to your Scour. Or, in corner cases, Thought Scour you in response to yours and you've really screwed the pooch.

I'm skeptical.

http://2damnfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Philosoraptor-Meme-Is-Thinking-While-Scratching-With-Its-Toe_408x408.jpg

[Tylert]

If ever there was a time to sandbag a Brainstorm, this is it. I don't know if it's worth the risk. You can tutor your card, they get theirs, they Brainstorm in response to your Scour. Or, in corner cases, Thought Scour you in response to yours and you've really screwed the pooch.

I'm skeptical.



And a clever opponent without a way to answer your thought scour would look for a middle card, and not the card that would win him the game just to be sure he either draws a not useless card or he doesn't loose on the spot :)
also FoW exists.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/skdz8lta0x431.png

Planar Rebirth.dec!

[sco0ter]

Scheming Symmetry looks pretty good in Lantern Control, e.g. together with Mill rocks.

[Barook]

https://i.redd.it/skdz8lta0x431.png

Planar Rebirth.dec!
Urborg shenanigans intensify

Urborg + fetchlands are going to a fantastic combo for this. Throw in a CoW and this thing is going to be a bitch if not answered immediately.

[Jain_Mor]

And a clever opponent without a way to answer your thought scour would look for a middle card, and not the card that would win him the game just to be sure he either draws a not useless card or he doesn't loose on the spot :)
also FoW exists.

I don't think the strat with thought scour is that you are hoping to mill their best card, I think the strat is that you're planning to win that turn with your card and a cantrip to get it, thought scour is just the best cantrip in that circumstance. The worst case scenario is that you're playing against a blue deck, they tutor for FoW and have the brainstorm, but you probably have duresses in your combo deck anyway. Idk.

Edit: You can also cast the cantrip after it and crack LED in response to make a similar effect to infernal tutor. Just adds another piece of redundancy to UB combo decks perhaps.

[rufus]

Scheming Symmetry looks pretty good in Lantern Control, e.g. together with Mill rocks.

It looks pretty strong - full stop. People are trying to 'symmetry break' it with fancy stuff, but you can just run it with draw effects so that you get the card you tutored for first.

Twin tutor -> Manamorphose / Street Wraith / Chromatic orb -> whatever.

There are obviously also 'fun' things to pair it with like Archive Trap.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/chandrasspitfire.jpg

That thing is evasive. There might be something good to do with it.

[Jain_Mor]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/chandrasspitfire.jpg

That thing is evasive. There might be something good to do with it.

It's a reprint :tongue:

[Barook]

It's a reprint :tongue:
Oh well, nevermind then.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/m20/en_WOvKIM9qMa.png
https://media.wizards.com/2019/m20/en_yABQFP86Ca.png

[mistercakes]

Regulator looks very strong for the 2nd ability. 1st ability is just a bonus.

So which Chandra is most abusive with the first ability?

[Lava Snacks]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/m20/en_WOvKIM9qMa.png

I wish Chandra's Regulator regulated the number of Chandra cards WotC is allowed to make.

[Barook]

Regulator seems pretty good for red card filtering. Combines well with Squee, or more Legacy-relevant, Punishing Fire.

Cavalier seems to be too expensive to be any good for Legacy.

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/rienneangelofrebirth.jpg

I hate the current art direction of MtG so goddamn much.

[mistercakes]

Urborg shenanigans intensify

Urborg + fetchlands are going to a fantastic combo for this. Throw in a CoW and this thing is going to be a bitch if not answered immediately.

Looks super fun with scapeshift. :-D

[Tylert]

Looks super fun with scapeshift. :-D

And it's standard legal for 3 months if i remember well :)
That's the first thing i thought about.
To be noted that all cards mentionned (Urborg / fetchlands / scapeshift are modern legal. I could see a modern aggro deck with a somehow combo finisher like dreadhorde + scapeshift (Although scapeshift is still bad alone in this case, we need to find something for it).

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/empyreaneagle.jpg

That's another spirit lord - kinda.

https://i.imgur.com/Lj07lKf.jpg

Seems pretty good. Better than Gideon, though? Probably not, but who knows how strong the third ability actually is.

[morgan_coke]

The new Vamp tutor... holy fuck. That's busted as hell. Like, here's the deal. Random deck tutoring for the best card in their deck doesn't mean shit when you just tutored for "win the game". At least fucking Top is banned.

I like that they were willing to try another shot at "fair" tutors, but this is a mistake, because the drawback isn't actually something a combo deck should care about. It's like Pact of Negation as a "fixed" force of will, it's actually only useful to decks that don't plan to still be playing next turn.

I'll put good money on Scheming getting banned in Legacy.

Also, I really love the new Soul Sisters angel's art. And hate the Naya Angel's art. If I were WotC I would not have paid money for that crap.

EDIT: for those thinking of overwrought ways to "draw a card" - I'll just remind you that A) we just got a new cycle of lands with those words printed on them, and B) there are easily a dozen cheap artifacts with those three words printed on them - like the various eggs or spheres that also work just fine.

EDIT2: I really hope they do get a cheap tutor that doesn't enable combo right someday, I'd love to be able to play a silver-bullet "the Rock" type of deck again.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

The new Vamp tutor... holy fuck. That's busted as hell. Like, here's the deal. Random deck tutoring for the best card in their deck doesn't mean shit when you just tutored for "win the game". At least fucking Top is banned.

I like that they were willing to try another shot at "fair" tutors, but this is a mistake, because the drawback isn't actually something a combo deck should care about. It's like Pact of Negation as a "fixed" force of will, it's actually only useful to decks that don't plan to still be playing next turn.

I'll put good money on Scheming getting banned in Legacy.

Also, I really love the new Soul Sisters angel's art. And hate the Naya Angel's art. If I were WotC I would not have paid money for that crap.

EDIT: for those thinking of overwrought ways to "draw a card" - I'll just remind you that A) we just got a new cycle of lands with those words printed on them, and B) there are easily a dozen cheap artifacts with those three words printed on them - like the various eggs or spheres that also work just fine.

EDIT2: I really hope they do get a cheap tutor that doesn't enable combo right someday, I'd love to be able to play a silver-bullet "the Rock" type of deck again.
Just another reason to MB leyline.

[Mr. Safety]

I'll put good money on Scheming getting banned in Legacy.

Ban talk, already? You're in the wrong thread my friend...

I really like Dread Presence, it's definitely got value-based potential in a deck that makes a lot of land drops like Nic Fit. I would argue that Tireless Tracker is obviously superior, but this card isn't bad. The reach seems relevant.

[Pittplayer]

What's preventing you from targeting yourself twice with scheming? Search shuffle search shuffle put the last one of top?

[H]

What's preventing you from targeting yourself twice with scheming? Search shuffle search shuffle put the last one of top?

The Comprehensive rules:


114.3. The same target can't be chosen multiple times for any one instance of the word "target" on a spell or ability. If the spell or ability uses the word "target" in multiple places, the same object or player can be chosen once for each instance of the word "target" (as long as it fits the targeting criteria). This rule applies both when choosing targets for a spell or ability and when changing targets or choosing new targets for a spell or ability (see rule 114.7).

One instance of the word target, so you can't choose the same player twice.

[GenghisTom]

Ninja'd

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/kykarwindsfury1.jpg

Pretty weird card. According to Maro, we're supposed to get a cycle of wedge legends, so this is the apparently the Jeskai one.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Need a just worse Brute Strength? Well, then is Infuriate the card for you!

[Glass House]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/risenreef1.jpg
Turning every Elemental into Coiling Oracle is potentially absurd. Pairing this with Tempt with Vengeance sounds hilarious. Makes me want to brew some Temur Elementals list.

[Scott]

New red leyline

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/273/996/636964089521417915.png

[rufus]

New red leyline
...https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/273/996/636964089521417915.png...

Leyline of fight storm. People play a lot of stuff that targets players.

[Barook]

Goblin Ringleader reprint is kinda nice for Modern Goblins. Now the gang is almost together again.


Leyline of fight storm.
How does this work against Tendrils? Do all triggers go on the stack and resolve before the first copy resolves?

Might be a cool SB, although narrow.

[rufus]

...

How does this work against Tendrils? Do all triggers go on the stack and resolve before the first copy resolves?

The triggers from the copies certainly do. I don't know whether the one for the original spell resolves before the copied spells do off the top of my head.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/veilofsummer1.jpg

This is pretty damn good as a SB card.

[Poron]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/risenreef1.jpg
Turning every Elemental into Coiling Oracle is potentially absurd. Pairing this with Tempt with Vengeance sounds hilarious. Makes me want to brew some Temur Elementals list.

Young Pyromancer, Cabal Therapy, all the cantrips in the universe...

[Poron]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/veilofsummer1.jpg

This is pretty damn good as a SB card.

hey Infect!

[Barook]

Young Pyromancer, Cabal Therapy, all the cantrips in the universe...
So, at worst, it replaces itself immediately, can potentially ramp, pitches to Force of Will/Negation/Vigor and can do incredible stupid shit with Young Pyromancer? And the effect stacks with multiple copies. That seems worth a try.

Edit: Also works with Master of Waves.

[kombatkiwi]

The new Vamp tutor... holy fuck. That's busted as hell. Like, here's the deal. Random deck tutoring for the best card in their deck doesn't mean shit when you just tutored for "win the game". At least fucking Top is banned.

I like that they were willing to try another shot at "fair" tutors, but this is a mistake, because the drawback isn't actually something a combo deck should care about. It's like Pact of Negation as a "fixed" force of will, it's actually only useful to decks that don't plan to still be playing next turn.

I'll put good money on Scheming getting banned in Legacy.

Also, I really love the new Soul Sisters angel's art. And hate the Naya Angel's art. If I were WotC I would not have paid money for that crap.

EDIT: for those thinking of overwrought ways to "draw a card" - I'll just remind you that A) we just got a new cycle of lands with those words printed on them, and B) there are easily a dozen cheap artifacts with those three words printed on them - like the various eggs or spheres that also work just fine.

EDIT2: I really hope they do get a cheap tutor that doesn't enable combo right someday, I'd love to be able to play a silver-bullet "the Rock" type of deck again.
If personal tutor has been legal forever with no problem then I seriously doubt this one causes any issues

[rufus]

Young Pyromancer, Cabal Therapy, all the cantrips in the universe...

Zendikar's Roil,Omnath, Locus of Rage or Rite of Replication with kicker also work. It's pretty decent with Warp World and other stuff that puts bodies into play in bulk. :laugh:

Firecat Blitz is a bit more reasonable.

[H]

Firecat Blitz is a bit more reasonable.

I think someone else already mentioned Tempt with Vengeance which just seems better, because it costs less and your opponent would have to be half insane to double your tokens.

[morgan_coke]

If personal tutor has been legal forever with no problem then I seriously doubt this one causes any issues

Personal Tutor - not banned
Imperial Seal - banned

Hmmm. By your logic the above is wrong, yet most people can understand why one is ok, but the other isn't. Allowing your opponent some random library manipulation that they are more than likely not able to take advantage of before you win isn't necessarily a worse drawback than losing two life.

[sco0ter]

that they are more than likely not able to take advantage of before you win

Not so sure about it. If you play against any fast combo deck like Belcher and they get the missing piece to go off, you lose. Thinking like that, this cards feels like Spoils of the Vault. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose (by helping your opponent win). It's a very risky turn 1 play.
Control decks just search for FoW against you. Don't forget that the tutor is also card disadvantage.

So maybe it will turn out, that it's just not that great.

[Scott]

Interesting..

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/274/5/636964583266730108.jpeg

[LOLWut]

If you play against any fast combo deck like Belcher and they get the missing piece to go off, you lose ... Control decks just search for FoW against you.

Yeah, it would be very different if it was instant speed, or even if Probe was legal.

[sco0ter]

Interesting..

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/274/5/636964583266730108.jpeg

Auratog Aggro? ;-)

[Megadeus]

Yeah, it would be very different if it was instant speed, or even if Probe was legal.

I agree. If probe were legal it would allow some pretty nutty things like LED LED, swamp, this, probe hold priority crack LEDs and draw and cast ad nauseam with 1 floating and having used 0 of your rituals.

[Poron]

yeah well for U, one of your 12 cantrips gets you exactly there

[Megadeus]

yeah well for U, one of your 12 cantrips gets you exactly there

And the difference between U and 2 life is pretty incredible in a format where simple having a land in play gives you access to 0 Mana counter spells

[BenBleiweiss]

Auratog Aggro? ;-)

Elephant Grass
Mind Harness
Mystic Remora
Seal of Fire / Removal / Cleansing

Probably not good enough.

[Glass House]

Young Pyromancer, Cabal Therapy, all the cantrips in the universe...

The interaction with Young Pyromancer could be seriously worth exploring. As a starting point I would grab a Temur Delver list and replace the Mongooses and TNNs with Pyromancers and Reefs. Maybe add Dreadhorde Arcanist too since it also pairs excellently with Pyromancer. Throw in single copies of Tempt with Vengeance and Chandra, Acolyte of Flame (the new 1RR costed one that spits out 2 elementals for 0 loyalty) for jank points.

[BenBleiweiss]

Elephant Grass
Mind Harness
Mystic Remora
Seal of Fire / Removal / Cleansing

Probably not good enough.

I guess also at 2CMC (down to 1 with this in play)
Ancestral Knowledge
Animate Dead/Dance of the Dead
Energy Field
Hesitation
Legacy's Allure (no mana reduction)
Seal of Primordium
Standstill
Sterling Grove (no mana reduction)

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/kaaliazenithseeker.jpg

A 3/3 vigilance flyer that can be protected by Karakas for 3 mana (although it's Mardu, aka the worst color combination Magic). I don't think the ETB ability would matter much outside of Commander, but maybe I'm missing something. The closest thing where this might work is probably in a Humans deck where it can grab Unsettled Mariners, if that ever becomes a thing.

[rufus]

I agree. If probe were legal it would allow some pretty nutty things like LED LED, swamp, this, probe hold priority crack LEDs and draw and cast ad nauseam with 1 floating and having used 0 of your rituals.

Street Wraith and Edge of Autumn are still around, though you'll want a different combo engine than Ad Nauseam with those.

[Megadeus]

Street Wraith and Edge of Autumn are still around, though you'll want a different combo engine than Ad Nauseam with those.

Right but those are Infinity worse cards than probe

[Barook]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Wc-XXWwAAJ1Iv.png

Maybe big mana decks can make use of it? Unlike Simulacrum, it can fetch nonbasics like more Posts, or Eye of Ugin or Karakas for shenanigans. Sure, Expedition Map can do the same, but gets blocked by Chalice and can't be bounced with Karakas.

[rufus]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/kaaliazenithseeker.jpg

A 3/3 vigilance flyer that can be protected by Karakas for 3 mana (although it's Mardu, aka the worst color combination Magic). I don't think the ETB ability would matter much outside of Commander, but maybe I'm missing something. The closest thing where this might work is probably in a Humans deck where it can grab Unsettled Mariners, if that ever becomes a thing.

There could be a fun interaction with Soulflayer, but you're probably right. That said, they may print some combination of creatures that busts the ability later.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/m5p4s4p0w4531.png

[Phoenix Ignition]

https://i.redd.it/m5p4s4p0w4531.png

I like it. Not overly powerful but can be easily used without spending any real resources in decks like control. This puts them at a disadvantage to do so since they wouldn't get to play as many basics. Also, nearly impossible to abuse early game.

Don't really think it's powerful enough for eternal, but I like the design.

[Barook]

There could be a fun interaction with Soulflayer, but you're probably right. That said, they may print some combination of creatures that busts the ability later.
Tombstalker is also a demon with cost reduction. Serra Avenger is an angel it could fetch. But all those double colored mana cost are going to clash with her own mana cost.


https://i.redd.it/m5p4s4p0w4531.png
Seven different lands for a 2/2 zombie token is a tall order, especially since it doesn't produce colored mana and ETB tapped.

[Cire]

Flood of Tears 4UU
Sorcery - Rare
Return all nonland permanents to their owner's hands.
If you return four or more nontoken permanents you control this way, you may put a permanent card from your hand onto the battlefield.

I kinda like this . . . it's bounce and cheat in big guy into play. Not better than S&T for half the mana, but still cool design.

[Dice_Box]

Tombstalker is also a demon with cost reduction. Serra Avenger is an angel it could fetch. But all those double colored mana cost are going to clash with her own mana cost.


Seven different lands for a 2/2 zombie token is a tall order, especially since it doesn't produce colored mana and ETB tapped.
Its also a Zombie for every other land drop after. Still shit.

[rufus]

Its also a Zombie for every other land drop after. Still shit.

It seems pretty comparable to Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle which is strong, but doesn't seem to be legacy viable.

[Barook]

It seems pretty comparable to Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle which is strong, but doesn't seem to be legacy viable.
Valakut isn't really Legacy-viable, either. But the Zombie land is shit.

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/hangedexecutioner.jpg

Not too sure how this compares to the temporary removal creature cards like Palace Jailer.

[Dice_Box]

Jailer draws you cards and is repeatable with any flicker effect.

[Captain Hammer]

Leyline of Anticipation 2UU
Enchantment
Can begin with it in play.
Spells you cast have flash.


Neat trick for sorcery speed combo decks like my Polymorph Stompy list.

[alvoi]

Leyline of Anticipation 2UU
Enchantment
Can begin with it in play.
Spells you cast have flash.


Neat trick for sorcery speed combo decks like my Polymorph Stompy list.

I think it's a reprint though

[Mr. Safety]

Leyline of Anticipation 2UU
Enchantment
Can begin with it in play.
Spells you cast have flash.


Neat trick for sorcery speed combo decks like my Polymorph Stompy list.

Reprint, but in light of other new cards some of the old leylines might get a little better. It's nice to see a Leyline of the Void reprint, it was much needed.

Modern will be very happy to see Goblin Ringleader reprinted. Kylar, Wind's Fury seems like fun to include along Young Peezy and Monastery Mentor. You get token makers at 2,3, and 4 mana. Everything else is spells, make armies.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/legionsend.jpg

This can hit most of Legacy's relevant creatures. The sorcery speed sucks, but it can't be helped. Seems like a decent SB card, at the very least.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I'm surprised no one is talking about Leyline of Combustion:

https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/3/a/3a93c8e2-fb27-43af-83a7-2bd4d40e0eff.jpg

[morgan_coke]

https://i.redd.it/m5p4s4p0w4531.png

Ya'll know what deck frequently has 7 different land names in play and could take advantage of free 2/2's? Astral Drift bitches. Aw yea!!!

I think that card is absolutely absurd in Modern. Just mix and match your playable duals and you'll get there pretty quick even in a 2-color deck.

In a 3-color controllish legacy deck you can hit 7 pretty easily, just include a couple of shock duals in place of some of your regulars. Whether the incidental lifeloss is worth it depends on the deck, but this could bring back Standstill.

[Lava Snacks]

Bone Splinters in the set, just as a reprint, but it reminds me; that card is underrated as a complement to Innocent Blood in decks like variants of Nic Fit that go all-in on the creature sac for profit plan.

[bruizar]

Ya'll know what deck frequently has 7 different land names in play and could take advantage of free 2/2's? Astral Drift bitches. Aw yea!!!

I think that card is absolutely absurd in Modern. Just mix and match your playable duals and you'll get there pretty quick even in a 2-color deck.

In a 3-color controllish legacy deck you can hit 7 pretty easily, just include a couple of shock duals in place of some of your regulars. Whether the incidental lifeloss is worth it depends on the deck, but this could bring back Standstill.

Nicfit, scapeshift, without having to commit to red

[Cire]

Just saw this:

Reckless Airstrike R
Sorcery
Choose one —
• Reckless Airstrike deals 3 damage to target creature with flying.
• Destroy target artifact.

Any use for this in the SB? Kills Delver and/or destroys artifacts - might save some room for some decks in the SB.

[bruizar]

Just saw this:

Reckless Airstrike R
Sorcery
Choose one —
• Reckless Airstrike deals 3 damage to target creature with flying.
• Destroy target artifact.

Any use for this in the SB? Kills Delver and/or destroys artifacts - might save some room for some decks in the SB.

It's very efficient but dies to Chalice and almost exclusively kills delver

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/273/964/636963764798861402.jpeg

Lantern decks get unrestricted Imperial Seal

[Megadeus]

Just saw this:

Reckless Airstrike R
Sorcery
Choose one —
• Reckless Airstrike deals 3 damage to target creature with flying.
• Destroy target artifact.

Any use for this in the SB? Kills Delver and/or destroys artifacts - might save some room for some decks in the SB.
I think it only kills delver and stuff like flickerwisp/vClique that have already done their job by the time they've come into play. And then it doesn't kill chalice which is probably 50% of the reason to play a shatter effect in the first place

[Tylert]

Reprint, but in light of other new cards some of the old leylines might get a little better. It's nice to see a Leyline of the Void reprint, it was much needed.

Modern will be very happy to see Goblin Ringleader reprinted. Kylar, Wind's Fury seems like fun to include along Young Peezy and Monastery Mentor. You get token makers at 2,3, and 4 mana. Everything else is spells, make armies.

We already had murmuring mystic at 4.... No top 8 anywhere :(

[LOLWut]

I'm surprised no one is talking about Leyline of Combustion

Go back two pages

[morgan_coke]

Ohhhhh, snap. Just thought of something with Field of the Dead.

Miracles -
1. Snow-Covered Plains
2. Snow-Covered Island
3. Island
4. Plains
5. Tundra
6. Hallowed Fountain
7. Field of the Dead

After that every fetchland you play is a pair of 2/2's, the second of which you can summon at instant speed. Like, that's a really strong win condition, at the cost of replacing your second Tundra with a Hallowed Fountain, or maindecking the Mountain from your board.

Might also work for semi-land based decks like Two-Green/Sylvan Plug.

Snow lands are the gift that keeps on giving.

[Begle1]

Ohhhhh, snap. Just thought of something with Field of the Dead.

Miracles -
1. Snow-Covered Plains
2. Snow-Covered Island
3. Island
4. Plains
5. Tundra
6. Hallowed Fountain
7. Field of the Dead

After that every fetchland you play is a pair of 2/2's, the second of which you can summon at instant speed. Like, that's a really strong win condition, at the cost of replacing your second Tundra with a Hallowed Fountain, or maindecking the Mountain from your board.

Might also work for semi-land based decks like Two-Green/Sylvan Plug.

Snow lands are the gift that keeps on giving.

And you also get synergy with Awakened Amalgam!

[morgan_coke]

And you also get synergy with Awakened Amalgam!

Why are you being a snarky dipshit about a genuinely strong card interaction?

[ronco]

Ohhhhh, snap. Just thought of something with Field of the Dead.

Miracles -
1. Snow-Covered Plains
2. Snow-Covered Island
3. Island
4. Plains
5. Tundra
6. Hallowed Fountain
7. Field of the Dead

After that every fetchland you play is a pair of 2/2's, the second of which you can summon at instant speed. Like, that's a really strong win condition, at the cost of replacing your second Tundra with a Hallowed Fountain, or maindecking the Mountain from your board.

Might also work for semi-land based decks like Two-Green/Sylvan Plug.

Snow lands are the gift that keeps on giving.

Hypothetically, if you scapeshifted all 7 lands and brought in 7 new ones (all different, including field of the dead), they would all enter at the same time and all trigger, right? 7 zombies?

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/c10yp4lny7531.png

Enchantress? Infect?

[morgan_coke]

Hypothetically, if you scapeshifted all 7 lands and brought in 7 new ones (all different, including field of the dead), they would all enter at the same time and all trigger, right? 7 zombies?

Yeah, it's just like Valakut in that way. Could be a backup plan if you're on Valakut and they have something out that would stop it, but not a bunch of 2/2s, like Leyline of Sanctity or something.

[alvoi]

Enchantress?

We play 3 creatures and they have shroud. No thanks ;)

[Barook]

https://i.redd.it/c10yp4lny7531.png

Enchantress? Infect?
I can't really think of a deck where this would have a home. Maybe Bogles, but how is that better than the Kor that draws you cards?

[colo]

Season of Growth competes with Sylvan Library in Legacy. That's like bringing a butter knife to a thermonuclear war. I still like the card though :)

[sco0ter]

Reminds me of Cream of the Crop, a card which I ran in EDH, but even there it wasn't worth it. This one here let's you draw cards though, so a bit better, but probably still too bad.

[Mr. Safety]

I can't really think of a deck where this would have a home. Maybe Bogles, but how is that better than the Kor that draws you cards?

I think it's at least a consideration for that deck, for 2 specific reasons:

1) It's an enchantment, so it feeds Ethereal Armor
2) It doesn't die to Fatal Push, Lightning Bolt, Path to Exile

Beyond that, I think the clearest potential is a sideboard card for modern Infect. If there is a situation where they are going all-in with pump spells, they can draw 3+ cards, which can help refill and grind out long games.

[rufus]

Season of Growth seems pretty "win-more." It could get slotted into glimpse of nature decks like elves and cheerios too, but I doubt it would make them any better.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Goblin Ringleader reprint is kinda nice for Modern Goblins. Now the gang is almost together again.


How does this work against Tendrils? Do all triggers go on the stack and resolve before the first copy resolves?

Might be a cool SB, although narrow.

Assuming the Tendrils Player's turn:
They cast Tendrils, targeting the player, Storm triggers and Leyline triggers at the same time, because the active player has to put their triggers on the stack first, the inactive player player will put theirs on after, and therefore resolve first. So the Leyline will resolve, then the storm trigger will resolve, putting X copies of Tendrils on the stack. Each copy will trigger leyline again. So the stack will look like:
TOP -> X Leyline Triggers -> X Tendril Copies -> Original Tendrils of Agony -> Bottom.

[Cire]

Mu Yianling, Sky Dancer 1UU
Legendary Planeswalker — Yanling
+2:Until your next turn,up to one target creature gets -2/-0 and loses flying.
-3:Create a 4/4 blue Elemental Bird creature token with Flying.
-8:You get an emblem with “Islands you control have‘T,draw a card.’.”.
Loyalty: 2

Given that it can only use its plus ability when it lands, I doubt this PW has the legs to be playable.

[rufus]

Repeated Reverberation

2 R R

Instant

When you next cast an instant spell, cast a sorcery spell, or activate a loyalty ability this turn, copy that spell or ability twice. You may choose new targets for the copies.


This seems like it has combo potential with stuff like Tezzeret the Seeker or Molten Psyche.

[mistercakes]

This seems like it has combo potential with stuff like Tezzeret the Seeker or Molten Psyche.

would be christmasland but seems really fun with dark petition

it does seem good with manamorphose and act on impulse...obviously good with lightning bolt

[BenBleiweiss]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/m20/en_J3kJLv7DZs.png

[Michael Keller]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/m20/en_J3kJLv7DZs.png

Wow.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/m20/en_uJKEVpS0xB.png

Also this, but Heartless Summoning etc.

[H]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/m20/en_J3kJLv7DZs.png

Looks at Unearth, looks at this card again, looks back at Unearth.

[Cire]

Would casting Polyraptor with Maurading Raptor in play create a tie? It's not a may ability so you don't actually stop creating more dinosaurs. :eyebrow:

[rufus]

Looks at Unearth, looks at this card again, looks back at Unearth.

There's a whole slew of stuff: Zombie tribal synergies like Gravecrawler, non-zombie graveyard value like Bloodghast or dredge, madness, and good old-fashioned Trinisphere.

[Barook]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/m20/en_J3kJLv7DZs.png
"It's not a drawback if your opponent is already dead!"

This thing trumps most of the creatures in the format. It can even be used to fuel GY shenanigans - Dreadhorde Arcanist, for example.

[Megadeus]

There's a whole slew of stuff: Zombie tribal synergies like Gravecrawler, non-zombie graveyard value like Bloodghast or dredge, madness, and good old-fashioned Trinisphere.

Ritual into 3 Ball into tomb this next turn. Oh baby I'm in

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Would casting Polyraptor with Maurading Raptor in play create a tie? It's not a may ability so you don't actually stop creating more dinosaurs. :eyebrow:

Yes. Sprouting Photohydra too.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/zrz6izkdwb531.png

T3 BARON SENGIR BOYYYYYEZXZZZ AND GIRRRRLLLZZZZZ

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

What's the current rule on forgetting triggers?
Because you could argue that after the millionth+ you just 'forgot' a hundred or so.

[Cire]

I quickly looked at old Demon Stompy decks . . . not sure they are too helpful, but if you would start from scratch:

12 Lands
8 SOL Lands
4 Mox of some type

4 Rotting Regisaur

4 Karn (Because he's just great)
4 LOTV

4 Chalice or just Dark Ritual
4 Trinisphere
2 Collective Brutality (?)

leaving you lots of space to explore either graveyard synergies or madness (and any color splash)

[Cire]

Yes. Sprouting Photohydra too.

Photohydra has a may trigger so you can force a draw, but you yourself aren't forced into a draw.

[mistercakes]

https://i.redd.it/zrz6izkdwb531.png

T3 BARON SENGIR BOYYYYYEZXZZZ AND GIRRRRLLLZZZZZ

T1 with dark rit.

[BenBleiweiss]

T1 with dark rit.

In all seriousness this is going to be a house in Standard for the next 3 months (while Vampires still exist), but we're in Didigeridoo teritory with this one otherwise.

[Glass House]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/m20/en_J3kJLv7DZs.png

So, Demon Stompy just turned into Zombie Dino Stompy? :tongue:
You can easily run Phyrexian Arena to cancel its drawback too.

[Barook]

Currently looking for useful, expensive Vampires - Chancellor of the Dross sure seems appealing.

Defiant Bloodlord with Sorin giving it counters and lifelink, that's a two turn clock.

[Cire]

Currently looking for useful, expensive Vampires

Morophon, the Boundless?

Makes the following Vampires free:

Legion Lieutenant
Mathas, Fiend Seeker
Pitiless Pontiff
Tithe Drinker

(and all the 1 CMC vampires)

[Glass House]

Currently looking for useful, expensive Vampires - Chancellor of the Dross sure seems appealing.

Defiant Bloodlord with Sorin giving it counters and lifelink, that's a two turn clock.

Patron of the Vein kills something on arrival and has a somewhat useful second ability.

[morgan_coke]

Currently looking for useful, expensive Vampires - Chancellor of the Dross sure seems appealing.

Defiant Bloodlord with Sorin giving it counters and lifelink, that's a two turn clock.

Chancellor and Skeletal Vampire were about all I could find. Maybe Mirri the Cursed or Vona, Butcher of Magan. Most expensive vamps are just limited fodder it turns out. But there's a whole bunch of good-to-decent cheap and medium costed ones that would benefit a lot from the +1s.

[Cire]

Oathsworn Vampire is good with the second ability - lightning helix each turn.

Mephidross Vampire into a walking Ballista is also funny.

Garza Zol, Plague Queen for a hasty 5/5 plus draw.

Nirkana Revenant and Necropolis Regent seem alright as well for big vampires.

[H]

Oathsworn Vampire is good with the second ability - lightning helix each turn.

Also, Bloodghast is a Vampire, but obviously that doesn't work in Standard.

[Barook]

Panharmonicon on a GSZ-able stick:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9bolnAW4AAfJuS.png

Maybe somebody can cook up a crazy Nic Fit build with it, although I doubt it.

[Cire]

Also, Bloodghast is a Vampire, but obviously that doesn't work in Standard.

Could that type of deck work in Legacy as a sort of weird Punishing Fire + Grove Rip Off in Mono black?

4 Sorin
4 LOTV

4 Oathsworn Vampire
4 Bloodghast
4 BOB

4 Dark Ritual
3 Chrome Mox

4 Thoughtseize
4 Duress

8 Creature Kill Spells

10 Fetch
7 Swamp

[Captain Hammer]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/m20/en_J3kJLv7DZs.png

I am actually most excited about this in both BR Reanimator and in Mono Black Reanimator.

Both decks hit hellbent very quickly so they dont really care about the upkeep cost midgame. And early game, they want a way to discard their reanimator targets.

Turn 1 Ritual into this is a fantastic play in those decks. Even better than a turn 1 Ritual into Liliana since this applies a lot of pressure on your opponents life total unless your opponents uses up removal on it that otherwise would have hit one of your Grave Titans that you Lake of the Dead out later.

It gives the deck yet another workaround against graveyard hate.

[H]

I am actually most excited about this in Mono Black Reanimator.

Turn 1 Ritual into this is a fantastic play in that deck. Even better than a turn 1 Ritual into Liliana since this applies a lot of pressure on your opponents life total unless your opponents uses up removal on it that otherwise would have hit one of your Grave Titans that you Lake of the Dead out later.

It gives the deck yet another workaround against graveyard hate.

Between this and Cryptbreaker, one could almost just full board into a Zombie Tribal deck. Not sure how good that would be, but it does dodge Grave-hate.

[rufus]

Panharmonicon on a GSZ-able stick:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9bolnAW4AAfJuS.png

Maybe somebody can cook up a crazy Nic Fit build with it, although I doubt it.

Yarkok does double up on landfall triggers, which is significantly better than panharmonicon. The casting cost is pretty hefty though.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/ovffef12fc531.png
Do you really, really, REALLLLLY need Jace dead? Probably better than Combust b/c killing Planeswalkers is more relevant than no damage prevention.

[H]

Do you really, really, REALLLLLY need Jace dead?

That is a decent upgrade to Combust but not killing TNN means it likely isn't for Legacy. But I think it might have a home wherever 5-mana Teferi runs around more so.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/9gurpqfgtc531.png
Leyline of Abundance

2GG, Rare

Leyline clause

When you tap a creature for mana, add an additional G .

6GG: Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.

[Barook]

Aside from the rather obvious elves, it also boosts Dryard Arbor to become a pseudo-Sol Land.

[rufus]

...

When you tap a creature for mana, add an additional G .

...

I wonder if that works with the tap ability on DRS, and if the extra mana comes with the same restrictions (for example, can you tap Beastcaller Servant mana to cast a sorcery?)

Edit: Does it interact with cards like Springleaf Drum that tap creatures as a cost to produce mana?

[Captain Hammer]

B
Knight of the Ebon Legion
1/2
Rare
Creature - Vampire Knight
2B: ~ gets +3/+3 and gains Deathtouch until end of turn.
In the beginning of your end step, if any player lost 4 or more life this turn, put a +1/+1 counter on ~

Correct me if I am wrong, but you can pump this guy multiple times in the same turn no? Its a stronger card than Nantuko Shade if so.

Is this one of the top 3 best black one drop creatures ever printed? Probably has no home in legacy but I think it will be a staple in Modern Mono Black Devotion decks that play Nykthos, Shrine of Nix.

In standard currently, Mono Red Aggro, Mono Green Aggro, Mono Blue Tempo and Mono White Aggro are all viable competitive decks thanks to the Dominaria cycle, but Mono Black got screwed. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ff1IeCRRfu8/Ws6WKLZmwNI/AAAAAAAAg50/AcE0hvIYAzItqbXz4WW3knuONZeLpkdswCLcBGAs/s1600/mtg%2Bdom%2Bcycle%2B1.jpg
Maybe Wizards is trying to make up for how shitty Dread Shade ended up being.

[morgan_coke]

B
Knight of the Ebon Legion
1/2
Rare
Creature - Vampire Knight
2B: ~ gets +3/+3 and gains Deathtouch until end of turn.
In the beginning of your end step, if any player lost 4 or more life this turn, put a +1/+1 counter on ~

Correct me if I am wrong, but you can pump this guy multiple times in the same turn no? Its a stronger card than Nantuko Shade if so.

Is this one of the top 3 best black one drop creatures ever printed? Probably has no home in legacy but I think it will be a staple in Modern Mono Black Devotion decks that play Nykthos, Shrine of Nix.

It honestly might have a home in Legacy over all other formats thanks to the new Zombie dino potentially resurrecting Suicide Black. Snuff Out, etc. are all things that pump this guy.

[BenBleiweiss]

B
Knight of the Ebon Legion
1/2
Rare
Creature - Vampire Knight
2B: ~ gets +3/+3 and gains Deathtouch until end of turn.
In the beginning of your end step, if any player lost 4 or more life this turn, put a +1/+1 counter on ~

Correct me if I am wrong, but you can pump this guy multiple times in the same turn no? Its a stronger card than Nantuko Shade if so.

Is this one of the top 3 best black one drop creatures ever printed? Probably has no home in legacy but I think it will be a staple in Modern Mono Black Devotion decks that play Nykthos, Shrine of Nix.

Carrion Feeder
Death's Shadow
Disciple of the Vault
Gravecrawler
Putrid Imp
Stitcher's Supplier

And/or Deathrite Shaman (I'd count it)

[Captain Hammer]

I would love nothing more than to see Sui Black make a resurgence. Sui Black has a habit of getting mana flooded and top decking Dark Rituals midgame. Atleast now, it will have something decent to do with that mana.


Carrion Feeder
Death's Shadow
Disciple of the Vault
Gravecrawler
Putrid Imp
Stitcher's Supplier

And/or Deathrite Shaman (I'd count it)

Fair enough but everything on that list outside of the banned card and Gravecrawler are only playable in narrow decks built around a specific combo/synergy. This guy is playable in any aggro deck that has access to black mana.

[BenBleiweiss]

Fair enough but everything on that list outside of the banned card are only playable in narrow decks built around a specific combo/synergy. This guy is playable in any aggro deck that has access to black mana.

I mean, the same can be said of a lot of cards, but I don't think you'd get arguments on something like "Show and Tell is one of the most powerful Blue sorceries ever printed" just because the card is narrow ;)

[Captain Hammer]

I think there is a 50% chance that the below card will also get spoiled in Magic 2020...

Knight of the Ivory Legion - W

Creature - Human Knight, Rare

2W: Knight of the Ivory Legion gets +3/+3 and gains Lifelink until end of turn.

In the beginning of your end step, if any player has gained 4 or more life this turn, put a +1/+1 counter on Knight of the Ivory Legion.

1/2


Do you think DnT would play it?

[Captain Hammer]

https://i.redd.it/zrz6izkdwb531.png

T3 BARON SENGIR BOYYYYYEZXZZZ AND GIRRRRLLLZZZZZ

They are not going to print any super powerful Vampires until this rotates out of standard.

Get a playset when it rotates out of standard and can be had for cheap, and file it alongside [[Didgeridoo]] as a card that will someday become amazing.

[bruizar]

https://i.redd.it/zrz6izkdwb531.png

T3 BARON SENGIR BOYYYYYEZXZZZ AND GIRRRRLLLZZZZZ

https://cdn-dynamic1.decktutor.net/items/d/dm/dmbdrip3ol0nng4ct1rbejuf508285ti-l2.jpg

[Cire]

What about using Sorin as a cheaper Didgeridoo, or Didgeridoo 5-8? Combining him with Artificial Evolution to get Emrakul, the Aeons Torn out?

Something like the following to start?

Thunderbluff w/o Didgeridoo?

4 Sorin, Imperious Blood Lord
4 Show & Tell

4 Artificial Evolution
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Force of Will

6 Giant Eldrazi
4 Big Vampire

4 Dark Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox

14 Lands

[bruizar]

I'm liking the first 2 abilities with bloodghast

2nd ability with legions landing

[Barook]

Mephidross Vampire into a walking Ballista is also funny.
I just realized that you don't even need Mephidross Vampire for this to be good. Sorin adds deathtouch and lifelink on the creature regardless (aka Basilisk Collar), so Walking Ballista is going to murder a bunch of creatures anyway, regardless of size. Man, this card is good.

[LOLWut]

Ohhhhh, snap. Just thought of something with Field of the Dead.

Miracles -
1. Snow-Covered Plains
2. Snow-Covered Island
3. Island
4. Plains
5. Tundra
6. Hallowed Fountain
7. Field of the Dead

After that every fetchland you play is a pair of 2/2's, the second of which you can summon at instant speed. Like, that's a really strong win condition, at the cost of replacing your second Tundra with a Hallowed Fountain, or maindecking the Mountain from your board.

Might also work for semi-land based decks like Two-Green/Sylvan Plug.

Snow lands are the gift that keeps on giving.


And you also get synergy with Awakened Amalgam!


Why are you being a snarky dipshit about a genuinely strong card interaction?

Because you tend to get overexcited and Miracles will never, ever consider that card; the snark you got was the minimum amount that could be expected.

[Pittplayer]

Because you tend to get overexcited and Miracles will never, ever consider that card; the snark you got was the minimum amount that could be expected.

Honestly, Field of the Dead isnt even playable in standard or modern. It's actually one of the worst cards I have ever seen. Good luck trying to assemble your 7 lands while show and tell drops Emrakul t2 or Storm goes off t2. Like, what deck would that card even be good against? Ever hear of a card named Wasteland? Plus, miracles has no way to fetch for a land, so what run 4? What lands are you replacing? This is better then Entreat the Angels? Mentor? Jace? I don't even get why this card is being suggested at all.

[Fox]

It's honestly not too hard to get 7 land names with Standstill by playing some snow basics, I can see it as a viable SB card. Playing it main seems ambitious as it screams Azcanta must be in your deck (and Azcanta has to be working probably). Really unsure why it's etb tapped though, when it isn't going to do anything till turn 7

[Inkfathom]

Honestly, Field of the Dead isnt even playable in standard or modern.

Disagree, scapeshift is standard legal

[Ace/Homebrew]

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/thumbnails/274/74/200/283/636966139318931242.png

Seems pretty good... Mid-game it's a 3/4 for :g: with upside.

[Tylert]

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/thumbnails/274/74/200/283/636966139318931242.png

Seems pretty good... Mid-game it's a 3/4 for :g: with upside.

Sylvan plug?

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/woodlandchampion.jpg

This one should work with treasure and investigation tokens, right?


https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/thumbnails/274/74/200/283/636966139318931242.png

Seems pretty good... Mid-game it's a 3/4 for :g: with upside.
Seems pretty good indeed.


Sylvan plug?
Doesn't this clash with Chalice @1? For what it's worth, it could turn a City of Traitors into a land that isn't dead in the waters.

[Scott]

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/thumbnails/274/74/200/283/636966139318931242.png

Seems pretty good... Mid-game it's a 3/4 for :g: with upside.

It's 6:30 AM and I'm sleepy and hungry, and I don't play Elves, but even though the land ETB tapped, I feel like Elves would like a 1-drop Elf that tutors for Cradle (or Pendelhaven), right? Also, nice stats on the creature itself.

[Michael Keller]

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/thumbnails/274/74/200/283/636966139318931242.png

Seems pretty good... Mid-game it's a 3/4 for :g: with upside.

Gets Dark Depths and Stage.

[Barook]

It's 6:30 AM and I'm sleepy and hungry, and I don't play Elves, but even though the land ETB tapped, I feel like Elves would like a 1-drop Elf that tutors for Cradle (or Pendelhaven), right? Also, nice stats on the creature itself.
Sounds good, but as a GSZ target, it can't get Cradle active before T4. T2 fetch Elf, T3 fetch tapped Cradle, T4 use Cradle. Something to keep in mind, but probably pretty good nonetheless. It also adds Wasteland protection to a certain degree. Or get around Bloodmoon to fetch more basics.

[MScott]

Wait does the red leyline work against tendrils? to the best of my understanding it doesnt, cuz like the copies all go on the stack, and then each pick a target, leyline deals you 2, then tendrils deals 2 adn you gain 2, repeat

[Dice_Box]

"Core set 2020, because we forgot to put the Elves in MH."

[Lemon]

Wait does the red leyline work against tendrils? to the best of my understanding it doesnt, cuz like the copies all go on the stack, and then each pick a target, leyline deals you 2, then tendrils deals 2 adn you gain 2, repeat

Since the leyline triggers on "becoming the target", I'm fairly sure that it kills you before Tendrils will resolve. Since each copy goes on the stack targeting all at once the leyline triggers will all go on at once as well over the Tendrils triggers. Kind of the same way that Valakut triggers happen. But this is defiantly something to ask a real judge.

Stack:
Tendrils
Storm Trigger -- resolved
Leyline Trigger -- resolved
Tendrils xStormCount
Leyline Trigger xStormCount

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/isvvjjpw1j531.png

So, you're never actually going to cast this for 7. But as a creature, and as an effect that doesn't end when the creature dies, and as an effect that can target any permanent type (including lands) - is there some weird use for this in reanimator?

[Barook]

https://i.redd.it/isvvjjpw1j531.png

So, you're never actually going to cast this for 7. But as a creature, and as an effect that doesn't end when the creature dies, and as an effect that can target any permanent type (including lands) - is there some weird use for this in reanimator?
Seems better than Gilded Drake vs S&T since it can steal their Omnis while giving them jackshit, but that's about it.

[Fox]

So, you're never actually going to cast this for 7. But as a creature, and as an effect that doesn't end when the creature dies, and as an effect that can target any permanent type (including lands) - is there some weird use for this in reanimator?

More likely to see play as a totally uncastable -1 SB slot in decks that can’t beat SnT.

[morgan_coke]

Honestly, Field of the Dead isnt even playable in standard or modern. It's actually one of the worst cards I have ever seen. Good luck trying to assemble your 7 lands while show and tell drops Emrakul t2 or Storm goes off t2. Like, what deck would that card even be good against? Ever hear of a card named Wasteland? Plus, miracles has no way to fetch for a land, so what run 4? What lands are you replacing? This is better then Entreat the Angels? Mentor? Jace? I don't even get why this card is being suggested at all.

4x Standstill
1x Back to Basics

2x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2x Narset, Parter of Veils
2x Teferi, Time Raveler

4x Force of Will
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Brainstorm
2x Dovin's Veto
3x Supreme Verdict
2x Council's Judgment

2x Crucible of Worlds
3x Expedition Map

4x Prismatic Vista
4x Flooded Strand
3x Island
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Plains
1x Snow-Covered Plains
1x Tundra
1x Karakas
1x Hall of Heliod's Generosity
1x Academy Ruins
1x Field of the Dead
1x Wasteland

Maybe a 4-color "It's the Fear" type shell would be better? I dunno, but it's not remotely hard to build a viable legacy control deck that wins lategame off of Field thanks in very large part to Snow basics. You guys are all really sleeping on this card. It's not a format changer, but it absolutely gives any control or long-game deck a huge advantage in any game that goes long.

No, it won't stop a turn 2 Show and Tell, but why the fuck would it? That's not it's job, that's Force of Will's job. It's job is to be a huge pile of inevitability vs. other controllish decks and to get big value from fetchlands in the late game.

[Pittplayer]

4x Standstill
1x Back to Basics

2x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2x Narset, Parter of Veils
2x Teferi, Time Raveler

4x Force of Will
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Brainstorm
2x Dovin's Veto
3x Supreme Verdict
2x Council's Judgment

2x Crucible of Worlds
3x Expedition Map

4x Prismatic Vista
4x Flooded Strand
3x Island
1x Snow-Covered Island
1x Plains
1x Snow-Covered Plains
1x Tundra
1x Karakas
1x Hall of Heliod's Generosity
1x Academy Ruins
1x Field of the Dead
1x Wasteland

Maybe a 4-color "It's the Fear" type shell would be better? I dunno, but it's not remotely hard to build a viable legacy control deck that wins lategame off of Field thanks in very large part to Snow basics. You guys are all really sleeping on this card. It's not a format changer, but it absolutely gives any control or long-game deck a huge advantage in any game that goes long.

No, it won't stop a turn 2 Show and Tell, but why the fuck would it? That's not it's job, that's Force of Will's job. It's job is to be a huge pile of inevitability vs. other controllish decks and to get big value from fetchlands in the late game.

Runs back to basics in a deck that wants to run a bunch of non basics. Runs map over ponder. And wants to run a t7 clock in a standstill shell without mishras factories.. right.

[Poron]

https://i.redd.it/isvvjjpw1j531.png

So, you're never actually going to cast this for 7. But as a creature, and as an effect that doesn't end when the creature dies, and as an effect that can target any permanent type (including lands) - is there some weird use for this in reanimator?

Flickerwisp, Eldrazi Displacer, Venser the Sojurner

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.imgur.com/VawRTR2.png

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/h0zuqznvpj531.png

[Captain Hammer]

They just spoiled an upgraded Voltaic Key.

Manifold Key 1
1: Tap: Untap another target artifact
3: Tap: Target creature can't be blocked this turn.


Might even lead to a Chalice less Eldrazi Post or MUD deck, that plays 10-12 Monoliths, 8 Voltaic Key, either 4 Metalworker or 4 Cloudpost and a couple of Candelabra of Tawnos and just aim to hardcast massive Eldrazi, Ballistas, KGC + Lattice or an Ugin by turn 3 every game. Will need work to not be a glass canon and to be resilient to mass artifact destruction but it's a going to be a very fun deck to play.

[Cire]

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/avatars/thumbnails/274/74/200/283/636966139318931242.png

Seems pretty good... Mid-game it's a 3/4 for :g: with upside.

I really like this, especially since I am still fooling around with a Wrenn and Six deck. Maybe something only in Gruul with no splash? Madness.


4 Wrenn and Six

4 Elvish Reclaimer
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Other Flex Search Spots
1 Ramunap Excavator
1 Scavenging Ooze

4 Green Sun Zenith
4 Punishing Fire
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Life from the Loam
2 Sylvan Library
4 Mox Diamond

4 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
4 Grove of the burnwillows
1 GhostQuarter
1 Maze of Ith
1 Karakas
1 Dark Depths
1 Thespian Stage
1 Blast Zone
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Taiga
1 Sheltered Thicket

[Barook]

They just spoiled an upgraded Voltaic Key.

Manifold Key 1
1: Tap: Untap another target artifact
3: Tap: Target creature can't be blocked this turn.


Might even lead to a Chalice less Eldrazi Post or MUD deck, that plays 10-12 Monoliths, 8 Voltaic Key, either 4 Metalworker or 4 Cloudpost and a couple of Candelabra of Tawnos and just aim to hardcast massive Eldrazi, Ballistas, KGC + Lattice or an Ugin by turn 3 every game. Will need work to not be a glass canon and to be resilient to mass artifact destruction but it's a going to be a very fun deck to play.
Why not just play taxing Spheres over Chalice for disruption? Although the lack of synergy with 3sphere kinda sucks.

Edit:
http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/shiftingceratops.jpg

So why does the anti-blue card have to cost twice as much as the rest of the cycle? For crying out loud! :rolleyes:

[Captain Hammer]

Looks cool but I would cut a couple of Elvish Reclaimer (you can GSZ for one if you need) and play some Crop Rotations instead.

Crop Rotation does the same thing but a turn faster and for two mana cheaper and the land comes into play untapped, though it can't be done every turn, I still think it's the stronger card, especially when you want to win by grabbing a Thespian's Stage to pair with Dark Depths.

[Cire]

Looks cool but I would cut a couple of Elvish Reclaimer (you can GSZ for one if you need) and play some Crop Rotations instead.

Crop Rotation does the same thing but a turn faster and for two mana cheaper and the land comes into play untapped, though it can't be done every turn, I still think it's the stronger card, especially when you want to win by grabbing a Thespian's Stage to pair with Dark Depths.

Absolutely correct - just a general idea and obviously not polished. It might end up looking like a Lands list mixed with . . . what . . . Zoo/Maverick?

[Barook]

Absolutely correct - just a general idea and obviously not polished. It might end up looking like a Lands list mixed with . . . what . . . Zoo/Maverick?
Since it's GSZ-able and Elves has untap effects, it could fetch the entire DD combo and activate it the next turn.

[Cire]

Since it's GSZ-able and Elves has untap effects, it could fetch the entire DD combo and activate it the next turn.

I am assuming that if elves has the mana to pull that off it has the mana to just win instead though?

[Pittplayer]

Is Veil of Summer the best green "counterspell" ever printed?

[Barook]

I am assuming that if elves has the mana to pull that off it has the mana to just win instead though?
That's 4 mana for the fetching. NO can win the game, but NO can't be tutored with GSZ. Could be something for more grindy games where NO is too risky, but I'm not an Elves expert.

[sco0ter]

1x Field of the Dead

Maybe a 4-color "It's the Fear" type shell would be better? I dunno, but it's not remotely hard to build a viable legacy control deck that wins lategame off of Field thanks in very large part to Snow basics. You guys are all really sleeping on this card. It's not a format changer, but it absolutely gives any control or long-game deck a huge advantage in any game that goes long.

No, it won't stop a turn 2 Show and Tell, but why the fuck would it? That's not it's job, that's Force of Will's job. It's job is to be a huge pile of inevitability vs. other controllish decks and to get big value from fetchlands in the late game.

I agree with you. Landstill style decks should consider this.

[LOLWut]

@morgan_coke You've said that about other cards. Put your figurative money where your mouth is; how many copies of the card in top 8 finishes of decent-sized Legacy tournaments over the next year? How many copies in Miracles lists? Greater than exactly 0?

[MScott]

Since the leyline triggers on "becoming the target", I'm fairly sure that it kills you before Tendrils will resolve. Since each copy goes on the stack targeting all at once the leyline triggers will all go on at once as well over the Tendrils triggers. Kind of the same way that Valakut triggers happen. But this is defiantly something to ask a real judge.

Stack:
Tendrils
Storm Trigger -- resolved
Leyline Trigger -- resolved
Tendrils xStormCount
Leyline Trigger xStormCount

but since each copy can choose its own target and each copy goes on the stack seperately wouldnt it go

--casts tendrils
places copies on stack
loses two life for first copy targeting
gains two life from first copy
repeat

[Phoenix Ignition]

@morgan_coke You've said that about other cards. Put your figurative money where your mouth is; how many copies of the card in top 8 finishes of decent-sized Legacy tournaments over the next year? How many copies in Miracles lists? Greater than exactly 0?

When did this site become such a toxic dumpster? Like holy crap, someone says "this card is cool, I could see it being playable" and they get jumped by the snarkiest/trolliest people on the planet.

"This card is cool"
"PROVE IT YOU MORON"

[LOLWut]

When did this site become such a toxic dumpster? Like holy crap, someone says "this card is cool, I could see it being playable" and they get jumped by the snarkiest/trolliest people on the planet.

"This card is cool"
"PROVE IT YOU MORON"

You have no idea what you're talking about. The guy constantly trumpets bad cards as the next big thing; he says that this janky card should go in Miracles, and then calls someone a dipshit for disagreeing.

[sco0ter]

@morgan_coke You've said that about other cards. Put your figurative money where your mouth is; how many copies of the card in top 8 finishes of decent-sized Legacy tournaments over the next year? How many copies in Miracles lists? Greater than exactly 0?

On mtgtop8.com you can find Legacy decklists with following token producing lands, so I don't think it's too far fetched, unless the metagame is not ripe for slow control.
But I can remember a time when Landstill tapped eight (!) lands to produce a 2/2 Assembly Worker with Urza's Factory.


Moorland Haunt
Kher Keep
Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai
Dunes of the Dead
Gargoyle Castle
Tomb of Urami
Urza's Factory


The only issue I see with Field of the Dead is that it enters tapped.

[ReAnimator]

https://i.imgur.com/IsuTU8O.jpg

Updated Lotus Vale! not a mythic which is nice.
Art will make a nice playmat.

[Megadeus]

https://i.imgur.com/IsuTU8O.jpg

Updated Lotus Vale! not a mythic which is nice.
Art will make a nice playmat.
Can I play this with a city of traitors out and sacrifice the city with the ability?

[Tylert]

Can I play this with a city of traitors out and sacrifice the city with the ability?

both triggers go on the stack when the lotus land ETB. so yes.

[Clark Kant]

https://i.imgur.com/IsuTU8O.jpg

Updated Lotus Vale! not a mythic which is nice.
Art will make a nice playmat.

Too bad it comes into play tapped. If it didnt, the card would have been really powerful and inspired a whole new slew of ramp decks legacy. But since it doesnt, I don't see how it could see play.

Maybe in Turbo Eldrazi as a 1 of to get with crop rotation since they're already playing Candelabras that can untap it?

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

It also neatly combos with blood sun.

[Clark Kant]

It also neatly combos with blood sun.

Oh damn, that is nice.

Now I want to build a RG ramp deck that plays this guy as a tutorable 1 of alongside Blood Sun, Crop Rotation and Wren and Six.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

but since each copy can choose its own target and each copy goes on the stack seperately wouldnt it go

--casts tendrils
places copies on stack
loses two life for first copy targeting
gains two life from first copy
repeat
Not quite. The storm trigger is going to put all the copies on the stack at once, and you'll pick the new copies then. This leyline trigger won't trigger until the storm trigger finishes resolving. Which means the leyline triggers will all go onto the stack which will already contain storm copies.
Then it's first in, last out.

[Megadeus]

New lotus value is also pretty much a black lotus with amulet of vigor

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Gonna play it in a stifle deck, because unlike the old tap for a bunch lands this is a trigger and not a replacement. Yessssss.

[bruizar]

Lotus Field is legit good. It may come into play tapped, but the lands you sack don't have to be untapped so you don't lose that much mana. Natural Balance? Titania, Protector of Argoth?

[Barook]

It also neatly combos with blood sun.


Gonna play it in a stifle deck, because unlike the old tap for a bunch lands this is a trigger and not a replacement. Yessssss.
Good finds. It should also play nicely with Flagstones. Or while we're at it, Cataclysm, since you're going to have quite the headstart with a land that taps for three mana. Or Winter Orb.


New lotus value is also pretty much a black lotus with amulet of vigor
Not quite, unless you played the Amulet with no lands in play. Otherwise, you would lose two cards compared to one.

[Pittplayer]

On mtgtop8.com you can find Legacy decklists with following token producing lands, so I don't think it's too far fetched, unless the metagame is not ripe for slow control.
But I can remember a time when Landstill tapped eight (!) lands to produce a 2/2 Assembly Worker with Urza's Factory.


Moorland Haunt
Kher Keep
Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai
Dunes of the Dead
Gargoyle Castle
Tomb of Urami
Urza's Factory


The only issue I see with Field of the Dead is that it enters tapped.

You just gave more reason why that's a bad card. Literally every card you named there is better, and yet none are played.

[kirkusjones]

Hey dingdongs, stop arguing about nonsense and peep this cool card.

http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Vilis-Broker-of-Blood-265x365.jpg?x96163

Probably not legacy-playable, but super cool nonetheless.

[rufus]

but since each copy can choose its own target and each copy goes on the stack seperately wouldnt it go

--casts tendrils
places copies on stack
loses two life for first copy targeting
gains two life from first copy
repeat

The storm trigger puts all the copies on the stack at once. So the leyline triggers go on the stack after all the copies are already there.

[Storm Spell] [Storm Trigger] [Leyline Trigger]

[Storm Spell] [Storm Trigger]

[Storm Spell] ([Storm Spell] x storm count) ([Leyline trigger] x storm count)

[Cire]

https://i.imgur.com/ITtYTWQ.png?1

How does this guy work with Reanimate? Does he enter the battlefield before you lose the life letting you draw 8 cards? If so - is that an interaction that may be worth anything or is it always better to just get Grizzy?

[Pittplayer]

https://i.imgur.com/ITtYTWQ.png?1

How does this guy work with Reanimate? Does he enter the battlefield before you lose the life letting you draw 8 cards? If so - is that an interaction that may be worth anything or is it always better to just get Grizzy?

It would see the life lost from reanimate, so yeah you would draw cards.

[kirkusjones]

Don't forget about toxic deluge.

[Captain Hammer]

https://i.imgur.com/ITtYTWQ.png?1

How does this guy work with Reanimate? Does he enter the battlefield before you lose the life letting you draw 8 cards? If so - is that an interaction that may be worth anything or is it always better to just get Grizzy?

Yes the interaction is definitely worth playing this guy as a 1 of in any decks that play 4 Reanimate + 4 Entomb. If you're planning to cast Reanimate and your life is at 15 or less (especially against aggressive or burn decks), or your opponent has a Baleful Strix on the board, this is a better option to tutor up with Entomb than Griselbrand is.

[Poron]

this is for when you are too short in life for Griselbrand and you have Reaninate around

Are we sure about that interaction?

[Phoenix Ignition]

https://i.imgur.com/ITtYTWQ.png?1


Now everyone is going to play Underworld Dreams as a sideboard!

[Poron]

Chain of Mephistopheles is still the best