Throne of Eldraine Spoilers

[morgan_coke]

We don't have any spoilers yet, but that's the new set. It brings back fairies. Good thing there's not already a super-annoying standard flash only deck that will be heavily pushed by this.

If they follow the previous design of fairies = blue guys with flash, flying, and abilities we're very likely to get some good playable Legacy creatures out of this set.

EDIT: Official article and first spoilers coming Saturday, July 20 2019.

[H]

Well, MaRo already "clarified" there there will be Faeries in the set, but that is not the set's theme. So, there is a decent chance that they aren't even as "pushed" as the Lorwyn ones were. There might not even be as many, really.

[Tylert]

We don't have any spoilers yet, but that's the new set. It brings back fairies. Good thing there's not already a super-annoying standard flash only deck that will be heavily pushed by this.

If they follow the previous design of fairies = blue guys with flash, flying, and abilities we're very likely to get some good playable Legacy creatures out of this set.

ELDraine = ELD Reign = Eldrazi Reign.
One of the eldrazi will be in this set!!
(Ok i'm out).

[PirateKing]

The art here reminded me of old Final Fantasy Tactics style characters.
https://static3.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/magic-the-gathering-throne-of-eldraine-card-front.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&dpr=1.5

[morgan_coke]

The art here reminded me of old Final Fantasy Tactics style characters.


Well, I'm definitely seeing what look like Key Swords.

KEYSWORDS!

[Mr. Safety]

If this is a return to Lorwyn I will be very happy. That set is easily my favorite, with flavor wins and power level to match.

[Barook]

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1152753319162630145

So Eldraine is basically WotC's pop culture take on King Arther + classic fairy tales. Art direction looks good so far. Edit: Art previews here (https://imgur.com/a/pP4ORNL)

Although I have to question if they partly try to jump on the Fate Grand Order train (earned over 2 billions last year) after riding the Marvel comic one for so long. I mean they literally copied Archer/Unlimited Blade Works from Fate/Stay Night:

https://i.imgur.com/naGIOES.jpg

Bonus rip-off points if they made Elspeth a Counter Guardian. Compare the face to her old Duels of the Planeswalker appearance:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_90MYOXUAcqpjj.jpg:large

Edit:
This world's Goldilocks is fucking hardcore:

https://i.imgur.com/lSM0oQP.jpg

[alvoi]

Very disappointing the presentation, he only showed more expensive boosters and more expensive cards. I'm sick of buying always new cards, I want some fun gameplay. War of the Spark was like the worst set in the last 10 years, I want this to be better as gameplay and flavour. And no more planeswalkers please

[morgan_coke]

There is some VERY good art in this set.

Anyone else think that one piece looks like its going to be Grove of the Burnwillows? We got a bunch more Horizon Canopy lands in MH1, so maybe we're getting a bunch of "opponent gains life" lands in this set?

@Barook

I like the other Goldilocks art better, but yeah, definitely a hardcore murder-child. Wonder if she's a legendary or one of the 'walkers for this set? That's usually the only time someone gets multiple pieces of art.

[Barook]

There is some VERY good art in this set.

Anyone else think that one piece looks like its going to be Grove of the Burnwillows? We got a bunch more Horizon Canopy lands in MH1, so maybe we're getting a bunch of "opponent gains life" lands in this set?

@Barook

I like the other Goldilocks art better, but yeah, definitely a hardcore murder-child. Wonder if she's a legendary or one of the 'walkers for this set? That's usually the only time someone gets multiple pieces of art.
That particular art that looks like Grove is actually a basic Swamp.

As for PWs, Rowan Kenrith from Battlebond is confirmed for the face of the set, since it's apparently her home plane. Whether or not her twin brother also shows up is a different question.

[alvoi]

As for PWs, Rowan Kenrith from Battlebond is confirmed for the face of the set, since it's apparently her home plane. Whether or not her twin brother also shows up is a different question.


MaRo said that also the brother will be in, and a third unknown planeswalker that we never saw

[H]

That particular art that looks like Grove is actually a basic Swamp.

:frown:

I as hoping we might see the completion of that cycle...

[Mr. Safety]

:frown:

I as hoping we might see the completion of that cycle...

I think we'll see it eventually. I think it's more likely we see the completion of the Horizon lands in this set, but that's just a guess.

[H]

I think we'll see it eventually. I think it's more likely we see the completion of the Horizon lands in this set, but that's just a guess.

Yeah, just got my hopes up for a moment, haha.

Also, I really hope this is a highly playable card, so we are all "forced" to have Gingerbread Men in our decks:
https://i.imgur.com/TTmcUX4.jpg?1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya_zgFdj7ho

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Also, I really hope this is a highly playable card, so we are all "forced" to have Gingerbread Men in our decks:
https://i.imgur.com/TTmcUX4.jpg?1

If it doesn't have haste I will declare it a fail.

[H]

We just get to see some of the "unique" cards that come in the precon "Brawl" decks for this set:
https://i.imgur.com/8Fbs2Hw.png
https://i.imgur.com/JwDkZss.png

[Ronald Deuce]

Yeah, just got my hopes up for a moment, haha.

Also, I really hope this is a highly playable card, so we are all "forced" to have Gingerbread Men in our decks:
https://i.imgur.com/TTmcUX4.jpg?1

The GingerDead Man.

[Dice_Box]

"Animate Bread."

[Fox]

“Ginger Avenger.“ Still it‘s nothing an En’ginger’neered Plague can‘t handle.

[Smuggo]

Art style for this set looks really cool, hope the cards are good too, but the product array seems highly confusing already. Doesn't affect me as I rarely ever buy any product from WotC but gonna be bewildering for newer players.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Can't wait for Standard-Legal reprints of all the holiday promos.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Ok labor day has ended, begin the spoilers!

[Smuggo]

Ok labor day has ended, begin the spoilers!

Think it's coming tomorrow. Saw some pictures from streamers who got sent a box with their allotted spoiler cards and a gingerbread man.


So.... gingerbread tribal confirmed?

[easysantiago]

Get that bred.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Think it's coming tomorrow. Saw some pictures from streamers who got sent a box with their allotted spoiler cards and a gingerbread man.


So.... gingerbread tribal confirmed?

SJWs have breadpilled Eldraine.

[kirkusjones]

SJWs have breadpilled Eldraine.

That is, without question, the most absurd sentence I have read in a very, very long time. And I read Naked Lunch recently.

[PirateKing]

So who knows what Food tokens are?

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

So who knows what Food tokens are?

I'd bet my lunch they're treasure tokens d'joure.

[H]

Just so people have the context:

https://i.imgur.com/8Lt8Fx0.jpg

My guess is some variation of a treasure token. Maybe, sac it, gain 3 life?

[H]

Also:

https://i.imgur.com/ZbKaSCo.jpg?1

Man, I am usually OK with most things, but this frame looks horrendous to me...

[PirateKing]

My guess is some variation of a treasure token. Maybe, sac it, gain 3 life?

It'd be narrow but flavorful if Devour was coming back, and these like double counted as sacrifice fodder. But that's a RG mechanic, nowhere close to UG.

Clue and Treasure tokens were good in any color, hopefully these have some evergreen capabilities and it isn't a dead end keyword.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Just so people have the context:

https://i.imgur.com/8Lt8Fx0.jpg

My guess is some variation of a treasure token. Maybe, sac it, gain 3 life?

Actually, because tezzerret has the treasure knock-off in energy cells Im thinking "Sac this: add a +1/+1 counter [or a loyalty counter] to a thing"

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Also:

https://i.imgur.com/ZbKaSCo.jpg?1

Man, I am usually OK with most things, but this frame looks horrendous to me...

This is also MTGO, so it looks 50% worse than it actually is (which is still kinda bad)

[H]

Clue and Treasure tokens were good in any color, hopefully these have some evergreen capabilities and it isn't a dead end keyword.

I'm just guessing it might be Life, since a Clue leads to knowledge, which is drawing cards in Magic terms. So, Food, as something that nourishes and sustains, I'd guess is Life. Bountiful Harvest, Feed the Clan, Gnaw to the Bone, Hunters' Feast, Taste of Paradise, so the link between food, eating and life gain is precedented. Even though this is not proof per se.

[PirateKing]

I'm just guessing it might be Life, since a Clue leads to knowledge, which is drawing cards in Magic terms. So, Food, as something that nourishes and sustains, I'd guess is Life. Bountiful Harvest, Feed the Clan, Gnaw to the Bone, Hunters' Feast, Taste of Paradise, so the link between food, eating and life gain is precedented. Even though this is not proof per se.

Yeah but life is so... boring :|

[Barook]

I'm just guessing it might be Life, since a Clue leads to knowledge, which is drawing cards in Magic terms. So, Food, as something that nourishes and sustains, I'd guess is Life. Bountiful Harvest, Feed the Clan, Gnaw to the Bone, Hunters' Feast, Taste of Paradise, so the link between food, eating and life gain is precedented. Even though this is not proof per se.
Maro confirmed they're artifact tokens (which makes sense, given how Oko is designed with artifacts in mind). How artifacts can be food (or vice versa) flavor-wise is beyond me, though. And no, you don't eat the tin cans themselves.

I'm not sold on food being life gain. +1/+1 counters seem far more like, given how WotC is focused is on creature combat.

How does Flaxen Intruder work? You can either cast it as creature for :g: or as a sorcery for :5::g::g: - is that correct?

[Watersaw]

Also:

https://i.imgur.com/ZbKaSCo.jpg?1

Man, I am usually OK with most things, but this frame looks horrendous to me...

I hate this so god damn much. Thoughts of how it works:

Aftermath redux
kicker
opponent casts the Adventure half, you get something (GG in the mana cost kills this)
maybe you cast the Adventure and your opponent gets the creature? Seems bad.


EDIT: oh wait. It's gonna be "you can cast this while this creature is on the battlefield"

[Fox]

I'm going to choose to believe that only opponents can play the "Welcome Home" half. :laugh:

[Watersaw]

I'm going to choose to believe that only opponents can play the "Welcome Home" half. :laugh:

Not gonna lie, having a drawback of "if your opponent is in your colors, they just murder you in the late game." would be pretty hilarious and somewhat thematic.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

How does Flaxen Intruder work? You can either cast it as creature for :g: or as a sorcery for :5::g::g: - is that correct?

That's my assumption. It's a split card, but the gimmick is that Goldilocks is a creature and welcome home is a sorcery.
They haven't said officially, but there's no indicator on the card that says otherwise (like "fuse" or "aftermath")
I'll admit though: the adventure subtype might have an impact (thematically, the creature goes on an adventure and comes back with three bears) but I would expect some reminder text, and the text box is already pretty cramped.

[the Thin White Duke]

In fairy lore, food is used to trap people in the fairy realm. It could be some means to steal creatures?

[Glass House]

https://edge.alluremedia.com.au/m/k/2019/09/Gilded_Goose_EN1.png

[Barook]

Kinda surprised they went with life gain on the Food tokens, given how bad life gain for the sake of it is. But they probably needed more artifacts, as the first spoilers hint at an artifact subtheme.

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/wishfulmerfolk.jpg

I like the flavor. But then again, looking at other cards, this is really "Disney Cartoons: The Set":

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/lovestruckbeast.jpg

Edit: The Beast doesn't seem to be very picky, considering it also works with Mountain Goat. *implications intensify*

The set seems to be pretty heavily influenced by pop culture (if Ariel and Goldilocks are any indication, they're going with edgy/dark humor variants of it). Wouldn't even surprise me if the Arthurian mythology they promised is based on the Fate franchise, considering Sony is making fat bank with Fate Grand Order (over two billion/year). I mean, there was already art spoiled that is a blatant reference to Unlimited Blade Works, so there's that.

Edit #2:
http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/ranklemasterofpranks.jpg

Despite being expensive at 4 mana, the effect seems pretty powerful, especially due to haste (which make him also a Planeswalker counter).

[Smuggo]

Not really pop culture. Most of the Disney films are based on old fairytales.

[mistercakes]

i really like the art in this set.

notes on cards:

new birds of paradise that dodges 1 damage removal cards like W6, plague engineer, blocks lackey etc.
rankle seems like a solid card, although with the "each player" clause it is highly intended for commander.

oko thief of crowns seems REALLY good. am i reading this correctly? the 2nd ability is permanent? really want to use this with liquimetal coating. oops your land/planeswalker is an ELK.

[Tylert]

i really like the art in this set.

notes on cards:

new birds of paradise that dodges 1 damage removal cards like W6, plague engineer, blocks lackey etc.
rankle seems like a solid card, although with the "each player" clause it is highly intended for commander.

oko thief of crowns seems REALLY good. am i reading this correctly? the 2nd ability is permanent? really want to use this with liquimetal coating. oops your land/planeswalker is an ELK.

Really good is a little bit overstated. You're playing two cards that are not making any card advantage (Unless you start using the -5 and the +2 of oko, but your opponent has some 3/3 to attack into oko) and it's kinda slow...

[Megadeus]

Turning opponents Walker or land into a 3/3 isn't the worst, but you do also end up getting attacked by a 3/3.

Also if I'm pairing a 3 Mana walker with coating, I'll just do it with Dack and take their shit

[Barook]

Turning opponents Walker or land into a 3/3 isn't the worst, but you do also end up getting attacked by a 3/3.

Also if I'm pairing a 3 Mana walker with coating, I'll just do it with Dack and take their shit
Dack can't steal shit every turn, though.

I recently pondered about a WGx Stoneforge deck that abuses Coating with Sword of Sinew and Steel, Pridemage and Knight of Autumn. Trygon Predator would fit in very well, too, if you go for the Bant route. This new Walker would probably slot in nicely.

[H]

Well, I got close on the Food tokens...I just didn't anticipate having to pay 2 mana, but like a Clue, I guess I should have guessed.

https://i.imgur.com/JwpgSRj.png

Well, that explains that.

[PirateKing]

Oh boy, the Healing Salve of Clue tokens... how dull...
Unless there are a ton of cards that interact with Food like the Gilded Goose, this mechanic is a waste of time.

I wonder if the 'cast from exile' clause is part of the Adventure resolving, or permanently part of the creature.
Pitching Flaxen Intruder to Force of Vigor and then casting the little girl seems likely not what they intended.

[Barook]

Interesting. Do those cards count as both instant/sorcery and creature in the GY, e.g. for Tarmogoyf or Meren?

[H]

Oh boy, the Healing Salve of Clue tokens... how dull...
Unless there are a ton of cards that interact with Food like the Gilded Goose, this mechanic is a waste of time.

I wonder if the 'cast from exile' clause is part of the Adventure resolving, or permanently part of the creature.
Pitching Flaxen Intruder to Force of Vigor and then casting the little girl seems likely not what they intended.

My guess is it would be part of resolving, something about the "Adventure" subtype, I'd guess. Otherwise, it would be kind of busted...


Interesting. Do those cards count as both instant/sorcery and creature in the GY, e.g. for Tarmogoyf or Meren?

Could go either way, but I think the answer should be no, it's just a Creature, but it's totally arbitrary.

But knowing how the mechanic works now, does make that Beauty and the Beast card vastly better.

[Smuggo]

I think the cast from exile is part of the adventure resolving (the creature goes on an adventure, then returns). I wonder how it would interact with stuff like Past in Flames. Would you be able to cast the sorcery/instant from the GY and then have the card exile and the creature be castable?

[Tylert]

But knowing how the mechanic works now, does make that Beauty and the Beast card vastly better.

Trying to figure how it works exactly by reading the card... nope... Can you explain it here? :)

[Smuggo]

Trying to figure how it works exactly by reading the card... nope... Can you explain it here? :)

Cast the sorcery for 1 mana to get a 1/1 human, card get exiled. Then you can pay 3 mana to cast the beast from exile and he can attack the following turn.

[PirateKing]

Interesting. Do those cards count as both instant/sorcery and creature in the GY, e.g. for Tarmogoyf or Meren?

I think the answer will be yes, since it has all the trappings of a split card, with a complete card name, casting cost & typing along with the "main" card. So unless it's on the stack, then it should have all its attributes.

[H]

Trying to figure how it works exactly by reading the card... nope... Can you explain it here? :)

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/lovestruckbeast.jpg

So you can cast Heart's Desire for :g:, exile it (presumably on resolution) then can cast Lovestruck Beast, from exile, for :2::g:.

[Mr. Safety]

This seems like something that is on the cusp of playable in legacy, and definitely in modern. Having flash is pretty big and it's something that triggers for every cantrip you spend, even the shitty ones like Serum Visions and Opt. Brainstorm even triggers it on opponent's turn, which gives sly opportunities in combat.


https://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/faerievandal.jpg

[Barook]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDn80rgXsAANjpn?format=png&name=small

Seems pretty alright in my book. Can't get around Chalice @1, though.

[Mr. Safety]

I post this one because it has an important quality: it has a sub-type that makes it fetchable. If there is a set of these, one of them might become a decent 1-of tutor target in fetch manabases (modern and legacy.)

https://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/witchscottage.jpg

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I post this one because it has an important quality: it has a sub-type that makes it fetchable. If there is a set of these, one of them might become a decent 1-of tutor target in fetch manabases (modern and legacy.)

https://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/witchscottage.jpg

If they all have the "enters untaped" clause on their triggered ability I'm going to say they're all unplayable

[PirateKing]

If they all have the "enters untaped" clause on their triggered ability I'm going to say they're all unplayable

If the Island is a Ponder that'd be playable.


But it won't be.

[Smuggo]

If the Island is a Ponder that'd be playable.


But it won't be.

Even if it's an opt it would be playable I think... but that's probably too hopeful as well

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

If the Island is a Ponder that'd be playable.


But it won't be.

I'm not sure I agree even with that. A quick paroozing of decks tell me that even the heavy blue ones having four islands in play (assuming you replace one of your islands with this) is over half your deck's islands. They're running a ton of fetches and horizon lands but few actual islands.

[PirateKing]

I'm not sure I agree even with that. A quick paroozing of decks tell me that even the heavy blue ones having four islands in play (assuming you replace one of your islands with this) is over half your deck's islands. They're running a ton of fetches and horizon lands but few actual islands.

Yeah you're probably right.

If the Mountain was direct damage, that'd be something for Burn.
But it'll probably be creature gets haste or intimidate or something.

EDIT
Since at this point our best comparison is Mortuary Mire, I don't think the cycle will yield anything excellent. Maybe if it was an uncommon cycle then something could have snuck in.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/garrukcursedhuntsman.jpg

Aside of being expensive as sin, the lack of plus ability (without jumping through hoops) doesn't seem very good.

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/thecircleofloyalty.jpg

Seems cool for Knight tribal. Comboes with Mirror Entity, but that's probably casual stuff.

[sco0ter]

What about this?

At least helps Mox Opal and other "artifact matters" cards.
Maybe comparable to Arcum's Astrolabe?
Playable in some Tezzerator/Urza deck?

https://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/witchingwell.jpg

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/thecircleofloyalty.jpg

Seems cool for Knight tribal. Comboes with Mirror Entity, but that's probably casual stuff.

There's some strong knight tribal offerings including an adventure spell that has B: Each opponent loses X and you gain X where X is the number of knights you control and attached to a 2/1 for 2.

[H]

Aside of being expensive as sin, the lack of plus ability (without jumping through hoops) doesn't seem very good.

It's set number 270, seemingly of 269, so it might be the Intro Deck one. Seems likely, since they all have been 6 Mana recently too.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Garruk tribal!!!!!1!!1!

Will and Rowan are combined on a single card for :1::u::r:

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/attachments/172/169/637032076800302882.png

[Smuggo]

Garruk tribal!!!!!1!!1!


!!!!!!!!!!

Also knight tribal, faerie tribal, gingerbread tribal and egg tribal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[H]

Garruk tribal!!!!!1!!1!

Will and Rowan are combined on a single card for :1::u::r:

I don't think that has been confirmed, but it might be real.

[Mr. Safety]

If they all have the "enters untaped" clause on their triggered ability I'm going to say they're all unplayable

I will respectfully disagree for now. The swamp one can be triggered with Urborg, which makes it potentially usable but I don't know if the effect is powerful enough. Pauper will love it for sure. It really depends on what the other abilities are if the others are playable. These lands reward you for being mono-colored, which is something R&D has tried with mixed results in the past (chroma, devotion.)

I really like Witching Well, honestly. It's a very well-designed card to reward you at any stage of the game. Early it fixes your draws, late it fixes your draws. Then it draws you 2 cards at instant speed when you're out of gas. It isn't legacy playable by any means, but modern has used Hieroglyphic Illumination occasionally, which I believe to be the closest analog.

Garruk will have some use I think. It's expensive, but not out of playable range. Killing something while drawing a card is very nice and he can stabilize the board with a pair of 2/2's. While they protect you, it ticks him up to kill creatures. It's a little reminiscent of Wildspeaker in that you only need to 'plus' him once to get his ultimate the following turn, which again is an Overrun effect. I think for standard he will be an all-star for sure, very appropriate for a format focused on value-based cards. You can now play Garruks at the 4, 5, 6, and 7 mana slots. This might even be enough to get me to play EDH finally. Original Garruk Wildspeaker is my favorit planeswalker of all time.

[Smuggo]

The Brawl decks have been added to Arena for a special event on there.

[Barook]

The Brawl decks have been added to Arena for a special event on there.
Is this the reason why so much overcosted garbage is spoiled? I haven't seen anything yet that has Wow'd me.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Is this the reason why so much overcosted garbage is spoiled? I haven't seen anything yet that has Wow'd me.

Knight's Charge
Inspiring Veteran
Venerable Knight
There's some gems here that I might sleeve up in Modern, at least.

[Barook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzBrfW7Ipzg

10/10 trailer right there.

Edit:
http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/korvoldfaecursedking.jpg

I just realized this also works with fetches, Tracker clues, Yawgmoth and the likes. And it's GSZ-able. Maybe Jund Nic Fit relevant?

[Dice_Box]

https://i.redd.it/tjnj9wrsslk31.png

Now that's a mechanic I like.

[Amon Amarth]

https://i.redd.it/tjnj9wrsslk31.png

Now that's a mechanic I like.

Yeah this is a mechanic that is really good for the game, pushing monocolor decks is a great thing. Slaying Fire is a little underpowered for older formats but I like where they are going with Adamant,

[Tylert]

SYr Konrad the Grim 3BB
Whenever another creature dies, or a creature card is put into a graveyard from anywhere other than the battlefield or a creature card leaves your gaveyard, Syr Konrad the grim deals 1 damage to each opponent.
5/4.

Is there some kind of possible combo with this guy? It could be a way for dredge to kill an opponent without attacking for example?

[Smuggo]

SYr Konrad the Grim 3BB
Whenever another creature dies, or a creature card is put into a graveyard from anywhere other than the battlefield or a creature card leaves your gaveyard, Syr Konrad the grim deals 1 damage to each opponent.
5/4.

Is there some kind of possible combo with this guy? It could be a way for dredge to kill an opponent without attacking for example?

So... going to exile is leaving the graveyard right? So you could mill yourself then exile your own GY and kill someone?

As for legacy dredge, it's maybe not doing enough damage on its own to be worth dread returning. You're better off just bringing back Flayer of the Hatebound and then bringing back a fat GGT.

[Tylert]

So... going to exile is leaving the graveyard right? So you could mill yourself then exile your own GY and kill someone?


Exactly. I was thinking about dumping all your Library in the yard and exiling it with something like tormod or relic for the win.



As for legacy dredge, it's maybe not doing enough damage on its own to be worth dread returning. You're better off just bringing back Flayer of the Hatebound and then bringing back a fat GGT.

Yeah. and having something that exiles your graveyard in dredge so that Syr Konrad does enough damage is like going the complete other way :)

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

SYr Konrad the Grim 3BB
Whenever another creature dies, or a creature card is put into a graveyard from anywhere other than the battlefield or a creature card leaves your gaveyard, Syr Konrad the grim deals 1 damage to each opponent.
5/4.

Is there some kind of possible combo with this guy? It could be a way for dredge to kill an opponent without attacking for example?

Mesmeric orb / besalt monolith

[Darklingske]

Exactly. I was thinking about dumping all your Library in the yard and exiling it with something like tormod or relic for the win.



Yeah. and having something that exiles your graveyard in dredge so that Syr Konrad does enough damage is like going the complete other way :)

You don't even need to be exiling to do the damage. Just mill yourself and have 15 or more creatures from your Library hit the GY and that's game.

[Tylert]

You don't even need to be exiling to do the damage. Just mill yourself and have 15 or more creatures from your Library hit the GY and that's game.

You still need to cast Syr Konrad. that's why i was thinking about a dredge shell + dredge return (Although with the contradiction of having to play graveyard "hate" in dredge)

[ronco]

You still need to cast Syr Konrad. that's why i was thinking about a dredge shell + dredge return (Although with the contradiction of having to play graveyard "hate" in dredge)

If you can get him into play, it also works when your opponent slams a RIP on you as well. Too bad the deck doesn't have a way to cheat him in in response or anything.

[Tylert]

If you can get him into play, it also works when your opponent slams a RIP on you as well. Too bad the deck doesn't have a way to cheat him in in response or anything.

Goryo's vengeance :)

[ronco]

Goryo's vengeance :)

Good call. I keep defaulting to manaless when i see "dredge."

[rufus]

It seems like Shimmer Dragon could work as a combo engine:



Shimmer Dragon
4UU

Flying

As long as you control four or more artifacts, Shimmer Dragon has hexproof.

Tap two untapped artifacts you control: Draw a card.

5/6


Though that casting cost is pretty big.

Haakon, Stromgald Scourge might get some attention with all the knights.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

It seems like Shimmer Dragon could work as a combo engine:



Though that casting cost is pretty big.

Haakon, Stromgald Scourge might get some attention with all the knights.

Still need a way to get it into the yard. Always the biggest problem with him

[Barook]

Still need a way to get it into the yard. Always the biggest problem with him
Buried Alive to put both Haakon and it into the GY? But then again, the 5 mana cost is massive.

[morgan_coke]

The Adventure cards might look awkward, but they play AMAZING - at least on Arena. Note - I'm not making any comments on how playable/good they are, just that this is a mechanic that works really well from both a flavor and gameplay perspective.

Good job WotC.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Does anyone know when the comprehensive rules will be updated to handle Adventure?

[H]

Does anyone know when the comprehensive rules will be updated to handle Adventure?

Usually the day of, or day before the Prerelease, if I remember correctly.

[harbingerofthevoid]

"Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact and/or enchantment you control."

What's the rational for the "and/or" over just "and"?

[rufus]

"Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact and/or enchantment you control."

What's the rational for the "and/or" over just "and"?

I think it's lazy templating, and it should either be "each artifact or enchantment permanent you control" or "each artifact and each enchantment you control." (Otherwise its unclear what happens if you control an enchantment artifact.)

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

"Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact and/or enchantment you control."

What's the rational for the "and/or" over just "and"?

It's clearer that artifact enchantments (we're going back to theros soon) don't count twice.

[Glass House]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEAbRVBXkAANEHf?format=jpg&name=small

This has applications.

[Fox]

Well this is an interesting card both for and against blue Chalice decks. Interesting for Painter as well. I think the issue is more that it has to live in the sideboard for most every deck that might want it (stiff competition for a slot), while a card like Metallic Rebuke already plays nice with Chalice.

[H]

Garruk tribal!!!!!1!!1!

Will and Rowan are combined on a single card for :1::u::r:

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/attachments/172/169/637032076800302882.png
This is now confirmed real:
https://i.imgur.com/kTr53iL.png

[BenBleiweiss]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/eld/en_INqEgvedTo.png

IS THIS SPICY ENOUGH FOR YOU?

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/eld/en_INqEgvedTo.png

IS THIS SPICY ENOUGH FOR YOU?

Ban this sick filth.

[Glass House]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/enchantedcarriage.jpg

Because having Naga and Snake be different types for no good reason wasn't enough, now we have Mouse to conflict with Rat.
Don't know about anyone else, but adding unnecessarily specific creature types that only end up conflicting with already existing ones is a practice that seriously bothers me.


https://media.wizards.com/2019/eld/en_INqEgvedTo.png

Does this have a slot in Oops and Manaless Dredge, or any other creature combos?

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/enchantedcarriage.jpg

Because having Naga and Snake be different types for no good reason wasn't enough, now we have Mouse to conflict with Rat.
Don't know about anyone else, but adding unnecessarily specific creature types that only end up conflicting with already existing ones is a practice that seriously bothers me.

You must have missed Warlock...

[Mr. Safety]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/eld/en_INqEgvedTo.png

IS THIS SPICY ENOUGH FOR YOU?

I was waiting for a card to make waves in this set, and we finally have one. The set seems like a huge flavor-win but fairly anemic in power level.

[Glass House]

You must have missed Warlock...

Warlock can at least be excused because it has a reasonable flavor reason for it, that is giving each color its brand of spellcaster.
Mouse is just nonsensical. I guess that they are worried about the Piper card? But even then, they could make the carriage create white Rats and specify that Piper can only sacrifice black Rats. That way there is no need to bloat the game with new needless creature types.
Eh, I get that this is a non-issue to most but to me it is too irksome to keep my mouth shut.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Warlock can at least be excused because it has a reasonable flavor reason for it, that is giving each color its brand of spellcaster.
Mouse is just nonsensical. I guess that they are worried about the Piper card? But even then, they could make the carriage create white Rats and specify that Piper can only sacrifice black Rats. That way there is no need to bloat the game with new needless creature types.
Eh, I get that this is a non-issue to most but to me it is too irksome to keep my mouth shut.

I'm curious how you think it "bloats the game" to have Cinderlla's mice be mice and not rats when the only real difference is an extra word is added to a paragraph in the comprehensive rules.

[Glass House]

the only real difference is an extra word is added to a paragraph in the comprehensive rules.

I would argue that that is exactly what bloating is... But as I said, this is a non-issue that just bothers me in particular. I just wouldn't like to see what happened with Snake and Naga again, though if Mouse stays primarily as tokens and receives little support then it will ultimately be harmless.

[BenBleiweiss]

I'm curious how you think it "bloats the game" to have Cinderlla's mice be mice and not rats when the only real difference is an extra word is added to a paragraph in the comprehensive rules.

I mean I'll answer for him. The more differentiation that creature types get, the more space has to be devoted in various places for cards that effect specific creature types. When you have different creature types for "Rat" and "Mouse", you then need to print both Rat lords and Mouse lords (or cards that affect Rat/Mice) to appease the players who want cards in that space. It also makes creature-type hosers (like Engineered Plague) more/less effective (which swings both ways).

See: Soraya the Falconer for a prime example of this. As printed, gives Falcons (and only Falcons) +1/+1 and can give them banding. Is it better or worse for Magic to have that narrow of a creature type, versus "Bird?" If they are all "Birds", it makes it easier to support the tribe/build on the tribe in future sets.

Note: I'm not arguing in favor of either way. Just explaining why, from both a game play and set-development perspective, it might be int he game's best interest to have fewer tribes that overlap thematically (Types of rodents, types of birds), not more.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Folk-of-An-Havaa did nothing wrong.

[morgan_coke]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/eld/en_INqEgvedTo.png

IS THIS SPICY ENOUGH FOR YOU?

Well, whenever WotC gets around to banning Ancient Stirrings, looks like Tron already has a replacement option. I think any DD list needs to at least look at this, though I'm not sure how great it is. Clearly helps mulligans a lot, comboes with Brainstorm later in the game, is effectively Impulse for a fair number of decks.

Probably strongest in Standard Field of the Dead decks as a replacement for Elvish Messenger or whatever the one that looks for a land in your top five cards is called.

Actually, now that I think about it, probably strongest in Amulet Titan/Scapeshift decks in Modern and Legacy. Makes it far more likely to get the combo early for that quick win.

[H]

Note: I'm not arguing in favor of either way. Just explaining why, from both a game play and set-development perspective, it might be int he game's best interest to have fewer tribes that overlap thematically (Types of rodents, types of birds), not more.

Well, each decision opens and closes design space to some degree.

In the end, they are left to decide where they want to open it or close it with each "use." So, consolidating all rodentia into "Rats" closes some design space, where opening it up also closes some design space, while simultaneously opening other space.

What is kind of dumb about the "snake vs. naga" point is that things are are pretty "clearly" naga (they are snake-people) are still just snakes, because some "sins of Design past" are just too awkward to fix retroactively. Which, actually, is exactly why Rat and Mouse probably should be different things, even if it is a bit of rules bloat, it's likely best for the game.

I think, most likely, Naga were snakes for the sake of avoiding "rules bloat" but then we got Naga anyway and now we have a bizarre disconvergance of snakes that are clearly naga and no way to fix it realistically.

[Smuggo]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/eld/en_INqEgvedTo.png

IS THIS SPICY ENOUGH FOR YOU?
I wonder if this will be a cycle of cards...

[Barook]

I was waiting for a card to make waves in this set, and we finally have one. The set seems like a huge flavor-win but fairly anemic in power level.
It's like they "forgot" again how to make good cards. But chances are that they probably just fired a good chunk of the playtest team after getting back on track. :rolleyes: Wouldn't be surprised if sales are garbage because the power level is too low, but we'll see.

Once Upon A Time is great, though, especially as its design clashes heavily with Xerox decks and provide consistency to non-Xerox decks.

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/RusFeaj.png

WTF is this?

I mean, I don't even know how to evaluate it, because it seems like such a strange amalgam of abilities. But that "damage can't be prevented" clause is a nice design space I'd love to see opened up more often (to void TNN).

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://i.imgur.com/RusFeaj.png

WTF is this?


The latest highly pushed mythic.

[Barook]

https://i.imgur.com/RusFeaj.png

WTF is this?

I mean, I don't even know how to evaluate it, because it seems like such a strange amalgam of abilities. But that "damage can't be prevented" clause is a nice design space I'd love to see opened up more often (to void TNN).
Seems like an aggressive anti-Planeswalker card in green. Being able to let your team fuck up TNN is a big positive in my books.

Needs more "can't be countered", though.

[Glass House]

https://i.imgur.com/RusFeaj.png


Jesus Christ... I guess I'll refer to this as the latest poster child of creature power creep.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/6wb0pc9jfll31.png

......

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://i.redd.it/6wb0pc9jfll31.png

......

The only way to curl the monkey's paw is....to give it to your opponent?

[BenBleiweiss]

The only way to curl the monkey's paw is....to give it to your opponent?

I mean does this have any Affinity applications? Activate, sac to Ravager?

[kombatkiwi]

Lol so if you go off that turn it's just Grim Tutor and you can even split the cost over multiple turns? And if you have key etc then you can easily do it twice? Donate it to the opp then chain of vapor it back to your hand or whatever

Definitely going to see play somewhere

Edit: you can search for animatou with it and then blink it with the -1 ability which is pretty funny (or Brooding Saurian)

The Brooding Saurian idea is super funny actually because the Monkey Paw can search for itself also and it's not even legendary
I could imagine some Nicfit variant where you thoughtseize/hymn your opp to make sure they have no removal for your 4/4 and then chain off a bunch of these

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/5X1P8ts.png

Stoneforge has a new friend?

[kombatkiwi]

Stoneforge decks generally aren't in the market for Temur Battle Rage I don't think
It's a super weird design because it wants 1 Big Creature for the trample/doublestrike but also wants you to go wide for the cost reduction

[Barook]

Lol so if you go off that turn it's just Grim Tutor and you can even split the cost over multiple turns? And if you have key etc then you can easily do it twice? Donate it to the opp then chain of vapor it back to your hand or whatever

Definitely going to see play somewhere

Edit: you can search for animatou with it and then blink it with the -1 ability which is pretty funny (or Brooding Saurian)
Tutor for Karn, the play it and Null Rod it with Karn's ability. There are plently of ways this could be abused.



https://i.imgur.com/5X1P8ts.png

Stoneforge has a new friend?
The double red is really terrible if SFM doesn't survive.

[Mr. Safety]

It's like they "forgot" again how to make good cards. But chances are that they probably just fired a good chunk of the playtest team after getting back on track. :rolleyes: Wouldn't be surprised if sales are garbage because the power level is too low, but we'll see.

Once Upon A Time is great, though, especially as its design clashes heavily with Xerox decks and provide consistency to non-Xerox decks.

Good post. I really like the idea of green decks getting a bump; most are in the market for creatures and lands. Turbo Depths seems to gain a little from this card, it's a 'free' early cantrip that doesn't suck ass in the mid-late game. It even gets around Chalice@1. I can see playing this before even making any land drops to plan the game better right from the start. I'm willing to bet any deck that could play both a cantrip and a Thoughtseize turn 1 without any card disadvantage would love to do just that. It also somewhat offsets a 1-land hand, but that could lead to bad mulligan decisions.

[Fox]

WotC is really going all out trying to help people realize Blade is no longer playable. Kcomm into Plague Engi into PW killer, and even a [why isn‘t this a sorcery] cantrip that digs 5 towards the Questing Beast (or Engi) or the Wasteland for the Karakas.

There‘s a lot wrong with that cantrip, and the only positive thing it‘s doing is eating a Chancellor trigger. The whole dig for Macabre would be cool....but it doesn‘t solve the issue with B/R leading on discard your Surgical with Chancellor backup.

Much more intelligent design would have been “if you have not cast a spell this game, no effect controlled by an opponent can make you discard a not-Once Upon a Time card.“ Then the whole 1G look at top 5 for land or dude.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I wonder if this will be a cycle of cards...

doubtful. Unless you can name a different opening line for a fairy tail?

[kombatkiwi]

Oh yeah it's also another 0 mana spell for the green phoenix decks (with land grant) to up the consistency of Ritual/Buried on turn 1,and if you use that jund build from reddit it digs through your deck for young pyro and reveler. I like it

[Fox]

doubtful. Unless you can name a different opening line for a fairy tail?

Call me Ishmael....

(Almost a fairy tale)

[Barook]

Is Embercleave supposed to be the Excalibur expy?

[TsumiBand]

doubtful. Unless you can name a different opening line for a fairy tail?

"It was a dark and stormy night."

Purple as 6th color confirmed

[rufus]

...
See: Soraya the Falconer for a prime example of this. As printed, gives Falcons (and only Falcons) +1/+1 and can give them banding. Is it better or worse for Magic to have that narrow of a creature type, versus "Bird?" If they are all "Birds", it makes it easier to support the tribe/build on the tribe in future sets.
...

In this case we already have stuff like Swarmyard that really ought to work with mice, and stuff stuff like Pack Rat where it maybe shouldn't.

[Scott]

https://www.mtgnexus.com/img/cards/eld/54128-giant-killer-chop-down-full.jpg?d=2019-09-09-18

[Purple Blood]

Because having Naga and Snake be different types for no good reason wasn't enough, now we have Mouse to conflict with Rat.
Don't know about anyone else, but adding unnecessarily specific creature types that only end up conflicting with already existing ones is a practice that seriously bothers me.



Errataed to Rodent!

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://www.mtgnexus.com/img/cards/eld/54128-giant-killer-chop-down-full.jpg?d=2019-09-09-18

Peasants are the kind of bloat we need.

[Glass House]

Errataed to Rodent!

At first this might sound like a solution, but then you learn that 40% of all mammal species are rodents and realize why this would be a problem :tongue:


Peasants are the kind of bloat we need.

Yes actually. I have no trouble with Peasant.

[morgan_coke]

At first this might sound like a solution, but then you learn that 40% of all mammal species are rodents and realize why this would be a problem :tongue:


Would any of those rodents be of unusual sizes?

[Fox]

So I think it's time for a rule's update, there is no way Questing Beast should be able to bypass Riptide Biologist. This is a massive flavor fail.

If you get this guy's power above 2 for the block, he should not take the damage.

[Barook]

Giant Killer might be alright as a tutor target for Recruiter or Ranger-Captain of Eos. I like it.

[Matsu]

https://i.imgur.com/XE4i0Oi.png

This is OP for standard, should be ok in Modern and it might be played in some GSZ decks in legacy.
The only downside is legendary.

https://i.imgur.com/j8ccZEk.png

Can this be abused in some sort of Storm deck to fetch the kill spell?

https://i.imgur.com/UV6O8Gy.png

Do we expect a battle between blue mages? This might be a legacy and vintage must have.

[Scott]

Odd card for sure

https://www.mtgnexus.com/img/cards/eld/54134-emry-lurker-of-the-loch-full.jpg?d=2019-09-10-06

[Poron]

last card is crazy. it allows you to replay for free black lotus and equipments and so on you just need a way to untap it for crazy plays

[kombatkiwi]

last card is crazy. it allows you to replay for free black lotus and equipments and so on you just need a way to untap it for crazy plays

Yeah, anything like Mirran Spy or Paradox Engine is infinite mana with Lotus Petal or draw infinite cards with Urza's Bauble etc. (Edit: Discord has informed me that Jeskai Ascendancy also works)
Seems really good even without any infinite though, just Seat of the Synod + Bauble into this on turn 1, mill 4, crack bauble, draw your free card then next turn replay bauble from the graveyard.
Maybe there is going to be a blue bomberman lol.
The power level of this set seems pretty high

[sco0ter]

https://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/onceuponatime.jpg

Is that something that Aeon Bridge or Turbo Depths wants?

Emry plays also very nice with Goblin Welder <3

Does Wishclaw Talisman work with a sacrifice effect to make it one-sided?

[Fox]

So if someone goes Black Lotus -> propose Emry to the stack, move to pay with Lotus, then they will have 1 mana left over right?

@Sco0ter Karn makes it one-sided :wink:

Edit: one more question: Emry's "you may cast this turn" - at instant speed?

[kombatkiwi]

So if someone goes Black Lotus -> propose Emry to the stack, move to pay with Lotus, then they will have 1 mana left over right?

@Sco0ter Karn makes it one-sided :wink:

Edit: one more question: Emry's "you may cast this turn" - at instant speed?

If you activate wishclaw and then hold priority and sacrifice it to something (Arcbound Ravager or Goblin Welder or whatever) then you still get to search your library for a card but your opponent doesn't get anything.

Emry's 'you may cast the card this turn' still uses the normal timing rules for whatever the card is (so only at sorcery speed unless it's Etherium Astrolabe or Ethersworn Shieldmage or whatever)

[EDIT: I forgot the effect of the card] Yes, the total cost of a spell is locked in before you get the chance to activate mana abilities to pay for it so if you do this trick with Black Lotus as the only artifact you control then you will be floating a mana afterwards

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

So I think it's time for a rule's update, there is no way Questing Beast should be able to bypass Riptide Biologist. This is a massive flavor fail.

If you get this guy's power above 2 for the block, he should not take the damage.

Who was the guy asking about damage on the stack the other day? Was that you? Do you also want to go back to protection is a reduction effect?

[Fox]

Who was the guy asking about damage on the stack the other day? Was that you? Do you also want to go back to protection is a reduction effect?

Naw, that was annoying when trample didn't work. :tongue:

Poor Riptide Biologist only had one thing going for him and they took it all away#RIPtide :cry:

On a more serious note, the disregard for past cards is a little annoying even though many such cards are unplayable. Master of Arms comes to mind. Another fairly annoying deficit is that they failed to classify "double strike" as a "first strike" mechanic - Talruum Champion and Urborg should strip double strike, and everyone knows it. With Questing Beast - maybe make it any other creature type than Beast or Kavu; when you have protections that specific, maybe let them have that.

[Smuggo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/588687222216065044/620952284490366976/EEGfe9zWsAUU_1t.png

HELLO!

This guy will go nicely with another popular rogue...

[Barook]

Yeah, anything like Mirran Spy or Paradox Engine is infinite mana with Lotus Petal or draw infinite cards with Urza's Bauble etc. (Edit: Discord has informed me that Jeskai Ascendancy also works)
Seems really good even without any infinite though, just Seat of the Synod + Bauble into this on turn 1, mill 4, crack bauble, draw your free card then next turn replay bauble from the graveyard.
Maybe there is going to be a blue bomberman lol.
The power level of this set seems pretty high
There are a few pushed cards, but the rest of the set is a dumpster fire so far. Adamant in particular forces cards to be overcosted.

Emry seems pretty strong with Jeskai Ascendancy:

T1: Land, :0: mana producer like a Mox or Lotus Petal (yes, that works, just reconfirmed it), cast Emry
T2: Land, Jeskai Ascendancy (either via Mox or replayed Petal - requires another 0 mana artifact then, though), go infinite, beat your opponent with an infinite/infinite+1 creature or whatever you can do while looting through your deck and eventually have infinite mana.

Since both combo parts are blue (FoW fodder) and reasonable costed, I can see some potential. Dying to GY hate and Karn is definitely a problem, though.

Edit: Robin Hood seems interesting, at the very least. Lack of evasion and combat-relevant abilities might hurt it, though. I guess it's going to slot in nicely into Human decks with all that pump from Exalted and Thalia's Lieutenant as a way to refuel against value decks since you don't have to give a shit about mana colors for it.

[Tylert]

There are a few pushed cards, but the rest of the set is a dumpster fire so far. Adamant in particular forces cards to be overcosted.

Emry seems pretty strong with Jeskai Ascendancy:

T1: Land, :0: mana producer like a Mox or Lotus Petal (yes, that works, just reconfirmed it)
T2: Land, Jeskai Ascendancy (either via Mox or replayed Petal - requires another 0 mana artifact then, though), go infinite, beat your opponent with an infinite/infinite+1 creature or whatever you can do while looting through your deck and eventually have infinite mana.

Since both combo parts are blue (FoW fodder) and reasonable costed, I can see some potential. Dying to GY hate and Karn is definitely a problem, though.

You specifically need petal to be able to rebuy it from the graveyard i think. Mox sits there and cannot be recast... (And you forget to mention that Emry is cast on turn 1)

[Barook]

You specifically need petal to be able to rebuy it from the graveyard i think. Mox sits there and cannot be recast... (And you forget to mention that Emry is cast on turn 1)
You're correct that I forgot about the T1 Emry cast. I wrote that you need another artifact to go infinite in the Mox case. To clarify, it would go like this:

T2: Land, rebuy Lotus Petal, play Ascendancy, play another :0: artifact to untap Emry, rebuy Lotus Petal, go infinite.

[bruizar]

https://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/onceuponatime.jpg

Is that something that Aeon Bridge or Turbo Depths wants?

Emry plays also very nice with Goblin Welder <3

Does Wishclaw Talisman work with a sacrifice effect to make it one-sided?

4 Summoner's Pact
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Once Upon a Time

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/588687222216065044/620952284490366976/EEGfe9zWsAUU_1t.png

HELLO!

This guy will go nicely with another popular rogue...

Jayne! This card I'll call Jayne!
He robs from the rich, gives cards to the poor.
He got me a spell that only costs four.
His reach is easily explained.
The rogue from Eldraine, the card I'll call Jayne.

[morgan_coke]

The black 8/8 haste trample Troll (3BB) and the green 7/6 vigilance trample Troll (2GGGG) probably aren't playable in Legacy, but darned if they aren't really, really strong cards in any format you can pay retail for them.

Actually the Green one might be playable in Legacy if there are legacy quality food token generators.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

You could also mindslaver lock someone. Or tangle wire shenanigans. I want to build mono U stacks with her.

[Glass House]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/claimthefirstborn.jpg

This is the cheapest treason effect to date, which is noteworthy.
I always wanted to try those effects as removal in Zombardment. I wonder if this card finally gives this idea any merit? Or is my janklust speaking louder than my reason, as it usually does?

[Poron]

Marit Lage

[rufus]

... Or is my janklust speaking louder than my reason, as it usually does?

Are you also thinking of combining it with Humble Defector?

[Megadeus]

Marit Lage

Unfortunately it's a sorcery so you'd need to make it so they have a reason to have to make Lage on their turn

[BenBleiweiss]

Whatever the opposite of a hate bear is?https://i.imgur.com/UUFuhTh.png

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Whatever the opposite of a hate bear is?https://i.imgur.com/UUFuhTh.png

So it's there a glut of thrones on Eldraine? Because the sets name implied there was only one.

[Fox]

Time for the disney recap:
Prince Charming - Cinderella (white)
Prince Ferdinand - Snow White (seems like a swamp thing)
The Beast - Beauty and the beast (green)
Prince Phillip - Sleeping Beauty (prolly blue)
red doesn't get a prince b/c red = barbarians.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Time for the disney recap:
Prince Charming - Cinderella (white)
Prince Ferdinand - Snow White (seems like a swamp thing)
The Beast - Beauty and the beast (green)
Prince Phillip - Sleeping Beauty (prolly blue)
red doesn't get a prince b/c red = barbarians.

Blue prince got turned into a frog.

[Fox]

Blue prince got turned into a frog.

Well that frog leg salad suddenly just explained the bulimia issue the princess had to work through.

[the Thin White Duke]

Any set with a card named "Powerful Heave" showing a dude suplexing a bear is a winner in my book. (Sorry can't pull a pic now). Repeat, A DUDE SUPLEXING A BEAR!
I'm going to build a deck with nothing but cards named after fighting moves, i.e. Savage Punch, etc.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Any set with a card named "Powerful Heave" showing a dude suplexing a bear is a winner in my book. (Sorry can't pull a pic now). Repeat, A DUDE SUPLEXING A BEAR!
I'm going to build a deck with nothing but cards named after fighting moves, i.e. Savage Punch, etc.
I liked the temporary translation of "bear suplex" myself.

[sco0ter]

You could also mindslaver lock someone. Or tangle wire shenanigans. I want to build mono U stacks with her.

I can feel with you... If only the lock wouldn't cost 10 mana.
I am pretty sure it will see play in Mono U Painter.

[LOLWut]

Some of the art spoiled today is really quite nice

https://i.imgur.com/LiO21pv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/I05jsSS.jpg

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

So what's with the alt art adventures? How do you get one of them instead of a normal adventure art?

[Barook]

@Charming Prince: I'm not feeling it. The utility is nice and all, but he's just a bear and the effects aren't really THAT strong. It certainly isn't a Knight of Autumn which can generate CA or become a 4/3. Maybe with Soulherder or Eldrazi Displacer for value gain, but even then, there should be better options than that.


Any set with a card named "Powerful Heave" showing a dude suplexing a bear is a winner in my book. (Sorry can't pull a pic now). Repeat, A DUDE SUPLEXING A BEAR!
I'm going to build a deck with nothing but cards named after fighting moves, i.e. Savage Punch, etc.
Why can't we have a green walker that has no special abilties other than bruteforcing every threat with raw physical violence, whether it's punching Eldrazi or supplexing dragons?

https://1d4chan.org/images/e/e4/Muscle_wizard.jpg

[morgan_coke]

So what's with the alt art adventures? How do you get one of them instead of a normal adventure art?

They come in the more expensive collector's packs. It's a whole thing they're doing going forward from this set.

[Final Fortune]

https://i.redd.it/6wb0pc9jfll31.png

......

Isn't this just better than Grim Tutor for ANT, since it can be broken up into 1B + 1 over two turns instead of 1BB on one turn? It may actually be faster than it looks, considering it's an artifact for Mox Opal.

[mistercakes]

Isn't this just better than Grim Tutor for ANT, since it can be broken up into 1B + 1 over two turns instead of 1BB on one turn? It may actually be faster than it looks, considering it's an artifact for Mox Opal.

Main argument is past in flames.

[Purple Blood]

https://i.imgur.com/j8ccZEk.png

Can this be abused in some sort of Storm deck to fetch the kill spell?



This seems like a Paradoxical Outcome Vintage card. Cast PO targetting Wishclaw, hold priority, activate Wishclaw tutoring for another PO, Wishclaw returns to your hand, rinse and repeat.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

This seems like a Paradoxical Outcome Vintage card. Cast PO targetting Wishclaw, hold priority, activate Wishclaw tutoring for another PO, Wishclaw returns to your hand, rinse and repeat.

PO says "target permanents you control". If the wishclaw resolved even with the po on the stack you wouldn't control it anymore. Making it an illegal Target. However this is easily rectified by changing the order here and activating the wishclaw, holding priority, then casting PO.

[Barook]

https://i.redd.it/o8nb2u9qhyl31.jpg

P/T isn't confirmed yet, but the ability is certainly an interesting one, especially with token generators like Bitterblossom or Ophiomancer.

[BenBleiweiss]

They come in the more expensive collector's packs. It's a whole thing they're doing going forward from this set.

This is not 100% correct. This is a deep dive, so let me give the tl;dr!

There are two types of packs now. Draft Booster Packs (which are rebranded Regular booster packs) and Collector Booster packs.

Here's what appears where!

DRAFT/REGULAR BOOSTER PACKS:
Mythic: Regular Planeswalkers, Foil Regular Planeswalkers, Alternate Art Planeswalkers, Foil Alternate Art Planeswalkers
Mythics/Rare/Uncommon: Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Alternate Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Alternate Frame Adventure Cards (There are 2 Mythics, 5 Rares and 9 Uncommons with Adventure Frame)
Common: Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Alternate Frame Adventure cards (There are 14 Commons with Adventure Frame)
NOTE: Non-Foil *COMMON* Alternate Frame Adventure Cards do NOT appear in Regular Booster packs!

COLLECTOR PACKS:
Slot 1: Non-Foil Rare or Mythic with Extended Art. There are 10 Mythics and 48 Rares in the set that have extended art (All of the cards that aren't Adventures or Planeswalkers), and this is the only place where they appear in Extended Art
Slot 2: FOIL Rare/Mythic - *ANY* Rare or Mythic, any version can appear here. This includes all of the variants in a Regular booster, all of the regular foil versions of cards, *AND* the only place where foil Extended art cards (from Slot #1) appear.
Slots #3-11: Foil C/U - Any 9 Foil C/U from the set (including alternate-frame Adventure cards)
Slot #12-14: 3x Special-Frame non-Foil cards. This includes the 3 Planeswalkers, and all 30 Adventure cards. *THIS IS THE ONLY SLOT THAT HAS NON-FOIL ALTERNATE FRAME ADVENTURE CARDS*
Slot #15: 1x Non-Foil Ancillary card. This is any card that appears in a Brawl or Planeswalker deck, or the Buy-A-Box promo. *THIS IS THE ONLY SLOT THAT HAS A NON-FOIL PLANESWALKER DECK PLANESWALKER, NON-FOIL BRAWL COMMANDER, Or NON-FOIL BUY A BOX PROMO)
Slot #16: Foil token. This is the only way to get a foil token from Thrones. 19 of the 20 tokens will appear in this slot (The Garruk Emblem will not)

Hope this clears things up!

Super TL;DR
Mythic/Rare/Uncommon Alternate Frame adventure cards appear in regular Boosters in both Foil & Non-Foil versions.
Common Alternate Frame adventure cards appear in Foil in regular Boosters, but do NOT appear in non-foil in regular boosters!

[Smuggo]

This is not 100% correct. This is a deep dive, so let me give the tl;dr!

There are two types of packs now. Draft Booster Packs (which are rebranded Regular booster packs) and Collector Booster packs.

Here's what appears where!

DRAFT/REGULAR BOOSTER PACKS:
Mythic: Regular Planeswalkers, Foil Regular Planeswalkers, Alternate Art Planeswalkers, Foil Alternate Art Planeswalkers
Mythics/Rare/Uncommon: Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Alternate Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Alternate Frame Adventure Cards (There are 2 Mythics, 5 Rares and 9 Uncommons with Adventure Frame)
Common: Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Alternate Frame Adventure cards (There are 14 Commons with Adventure Frame)
NOTE: Non-Foil *COMMON* Alternate Frame Adventure Cards do NOT appear in Regular Booster packs!

COLLECTOR PACKS:
Slot 1: Non-Foil Rare or Mythic with Extended Art. There are 10 Mythics and 48 Rares in the set that have extended art (All of the cards that aren't Adventures or Planeswalkers), and this is the only place where they appear in Extended Art
Slot 2: FOIL Rare/Mythic - *ANY* Rare or Mythic, any version can appear here. This includes all of the variants in a Regular booster, all of the regular foil versions of cards, *AND* the only place where foil Extended art cards (from Slot #1) appear.
Slots #3-11: Foil C/U - Any 9 Foil C/U from the set (including alternate-frame Adventure cards)
Slot #12-14: 3x Special-Frame non-Foil cards. This includes the 3 Planeswalkers, and all 30 Adventure cards. *THIS IS THE ONLY SLOT THAT HAS NON-FOIL ALTERNATE FRAME ADVENTURE CARDS*
Slot #15: 1x Non-Foil Ancillary card. This is any card that appears in a Brawl or Planeswalker deck, or the Buy-A-Box promo. *THIS IS THE ONLY SLOT THAT HAS A NON-FOIL PLANESWALKER DECK PLANESWALKER, NON-FOIL BRAWL COMMANDER, Or NON-FOIL BUY A BOX PROMO)
Slot #16: Foil token. This is the only way to get a foil token from Thrones. 19 of the 20 tokens will appear in this slot (The Garruk Emblem will not)

Hope this clears things up!

Super TL;DR
Mythic/Rare/Uncommon Alternate Frame adventure cards appear in regular Boosters in both Foil & Non-Foil versions.
Common Alternate Frame adventure cards appear in Foil in regular Boosters, but do NOT appear in non-foil in regular boosters!

WotC really knows how to make buying products excessively complicated...

[Barook]

This is not 100% correct. This is a deep dive, so let me give the tl;dr!

There are two types of packs now. Draft Booster Packs (which are rebranded Regular booster packs) and Collector Booster packs.

Here's what appears where!

DRAFT/REGULAR BOOSTER PACKS:
Mythic: Regular Planeswalkers, Foil Regular Planeswalkers, Alternate Art Planeswalkers, Foil Alternate Art Planeswalkers
Mythics/Rare/Uncommon: Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Alternate Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Alternate Frame Adventure Cards (There are 2 Mythics, 5 Rares and 9 Uncommons with Adventure Frame)
Common: Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Alternate Frame Adventure cards (There are 14 Commons with Adventure Frame)
NOTE: Non-Foil *COMMON* Alternate Frame Adventure Cards do NOT appear in Regular Booster packs!

COLLECTOR PACKS:
Slot 1: Non-Foil Rare or Mythic with Extended Art. There are 10 Mythics and 48 Rares in the set that have extended art (All of the cards that aren't Adventures or Planeswalkers), and this is the only place where they appear in Extended Art
Slot 2: FOIL Rare/Mythic - *ANY* Rare or Mythic, any version can appear here. This includes all of the variants in a Regular booster, all of the regular foil versions of cards, *AND* the only place where foil Extended art cards (from Slot #1) appear.
Slots #3-11: Foil C/U - Any 9 Foil C/U from the set (including alternate-frame Adventure cards)
Slot #12-14: 3x Special-Frame non-Foil cards. This includes the 3 Planeswalkers, and all 30 Adventure cards. *THIS IS THE ONLY SLOT THAT HAS NON-FOIL ALTERNATE FRAME ADVENTURE CARDS*
Slot #15: 1x Non-Foil Ancillary card. This is any card that appears in a Brawl or Planeswalker deck, or the Buy-A-Box promo. *THIS IS THE ONLY SLOT THAT HAS A NON-FOIL PLANESWALKER DECK PLANESWALKER, NON-FOIL BRAWL COMMANDER, Or NON-FOIL BUY A BOX PROMO)
Slot #16: Foil token. This is the only way to get a foil token from Thrones. 19 of the 20 tokens will appear in this slot (The Garruk Emblem will not)

Hope this clears things up!

Super TL;DR
Mythic/Rare/Uncommon Alternate Frame adventure cards appear in regular Boosters in both Foil & Non-Foil versions.
Common Alternate Frame adventure cards appear in Foil in regular Boosters, but do NOT appear in non-foil in regular boosters!
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2f/2fc110b60b640ad4559070e622928414ae5ca34835d7f2b88364ebc2b288f3b2.jpg

Chances are that this new business model is going to fall apart after a few sets at best (if not earlier), since WotC always runs any idea into the ground.

[PirateKing]

This is not 100% correct. This is a deep dive, so let me give the tl;dr!

There are two types of packs now. Draft Booster Packs (which are rebranded Regular booster packs) and Collector Booster packs.

Here's what appears where!

DRAFT/REGULAR BOOSTER PACKS:
Mythic: Regular Planeswalkers, Foil Regular Planeswalkers, Alternate Art Planeswalkers, Foil Alternate Art Planeswalkers
Mythics/Rare/Uncommon: Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Alternate Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Alternate Frame Adventure Cards (There are 2 Mythics, 5 Rares and 9 Uncommons with Adventure Frame)
Common: Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Regular Frame Adventure Cards, Foil Alternate Frame Adventure cards (There are 14 Commons with Adventure Frame)
NOTE: Non-Foil *COMMON* Alternate Frame Adventure Cards do NOT appear in Regular Booster packs!

COLLECTOR PACKS:
Slot 1: Non-Foil Rare or Mythic with Extended Art. There are 10 Mythics and 48 Rares in the set that have extended art (All of the cards that aren't Adventures or Planeswalkers), and this is the only place where they appear in Extended Art
Slot 2: FOIL Rare/Mythic - *ANY* Rare or Mythic, any version can appear here. This includes all of the variants in a Regular booster, all of the regular foil versions of cards, *AND* the only place where foil Extended art cards (from Slot #1) appear.
Slots #3-11: Foil C/U - Any 9 Foil C/U from the set (including alternate-frame Adventure cards)
Slot #12-14: 3x Special-Frame non-Foil cards. This includes the 3 Planeswalkers, and all 30 Adventure cards. *THIS IS THE ONLY SLOT THAT HAS NON-FOIL ALTERNATE FRAME ADVENTURE CARDS*
Slot #15: 1x Non-Foil Ancillary card. This is any card that appears in a Brawl or Planeswalker deck, or the Buy-A-Box promo. *THIS IS THE ONLY SLOT THAT HAS A NON-FOIL PLANESWALKER DECK PLANESWALKER, NON-FOIL BRAWL COMMANDER, Or NON-FOIL BUY A BOX PROMO)
Slot #16: Foil token. This is the only way to get a foil token from Thrones. 19 of the 20 tokens will appear in this slot (The Garruk Emblem will not)

Hope this clears things up!

Super TL;DR
Mythic/Rare/Uncommon Alternate Frame adventure cards appear in regular Boosters in both Foil & Non-Foil versions.
Common Alternate Frame adventure cards appear in Foil in regular Boosters, but do NOT appear in non-foil in regular boosters!


So what you're telling me is... buy singles
Gotcha

[BenBleiweiss]

So what you're telling me is... buy singles
Gotcha

To be perfectly honest, even we (with my entire pricing team) have no clue what the singles that are collector-pack only are going to look like, price-wise. We still don't have stuff like "If there are 30 different cards that can appear in the Ancillary Card slot, do they each have 1/30 chance of appearing, or does a common appear more frequently than an UC than a Rare than a Mythic?" or "Do alternate Frame Rares and Mythics appear at the same rate (1/27 packs) or are the Mythics 2x as rare as the rares?"

[morgan_coke]

So, just to check, with Wishclaw Talisman, if I target it with a Teferi bounce, then activate it, it goes back to my hand and I get the card, right?

Also, with some kind of Voltaic Key effect, I could potentially just use it three times before it ever went over to my opponent, right?

[BenBleiweiss]

So, just to check, with Wishclaw Talisman, if I target it with a Teferi bounce, then activate it, it goes back to my hand and I get the card, right?

Also, with some kind of Voltaic Key effect, I could potentially just use it three times before it ever went over to my opponent, right?

Correct and Correct! In fact - you can just use it to Tutor for Teferi, and then play Teferi/use it to bounce the Talisman :) Unless your opponent has an untap effect, it doesn't matter if they have it after you get Teferi.

[morgan_coke]

To be perfectly honest, even we (with my entire pricing team) have no clue what the singles that are collector-pack only are going to look like, price-wise. We still don't have stuff like "If there are 30 different cards that can appear in the Ancillary Card slot, do they each have 1/30 chance of appearing, or does a common appear more frequently than an UC than a Rare than a Mythic?" or "Do alternate Frame Rares and Mythics appear at the same rate (1/27 packs) or are the Mythics 2x as rare as the rares?"

I kind of feel like buying a couple collector's packs as a pure gambling bid. I mean, I think it's fair to say that nobody has any idea how valuable they'll be vs. their production run. Could end up with another value = to my complete sets of Fallen Empires, Chronicles, and Homelands, or they could be the next Wrenn and Six.

[BenBleiweiss]

I kind of feel like buying a couple collector's packs as a pure gambling bid. I mean, I think it's fair to say that nobody has any idea how valuable they'll be vs. their production run. Could end up with another value = to my complete sets of Fallen Empires, Chronicles, and Homelands, or they could be the next Wrenn and Six.

Remember - stores are being sent some amount of Collector's packs to give away (this time only) along with the buy-a-box promo. Might be worth it to buy a box at the prerelease, if your store isn't raising the price beyond normal box price.

[bruizar]

So what you're telling me is... buy singles
Gotcha

I predict the extended art will be worthless, no real demand for those. The only ones that are interesting are the alternate art foil adventures. I'd like to know the drop rates compared to the non foil alternate art adventures. We should not forget the foil drop rates have increased since core2020, so my willingness to pay for pimp foils has also reduced.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I predict the extended art will be worthless, no real demand for those. The only ones that are interesting are the alternate art foil adventures. I'd like to know the drop rates compared to the non foil alternate art adventures. We should not forget the foil drop rates have increased since core2020, so my willingness to pay for pimp foils has also reduced.
The alt art adventures look nice, but I don't think I want them in a deck. They kinda thing I'd stuff a binder with.

[ReAnimator]

@ben

After you and your team figure out all this stuff are you going to write an article about it? Like what the drops and rarities look like?

Either way thanks for the clarification of how these work.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/gadwickthewizened.jpg

Can be bounced with both Karakas and Riptide Laboratory. Seems interesting, at the very least.

[bruizar]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/gadwickthewizened.jpg

Can be bounced with both Karakas and Riptide Laboratory. Seems interesting, at the very least.

This card will be crazy in standard. It feels like a blend between Frost Titan and Hydroid Krasis, both of which saw heavy play.

[Smuggo]

Seems like these 3 colour mana legends might be setup for a return of devotion in Theros.

[bruizar]

Seems like these 3 colour mana legends might be setup for a return of devotion in Theros.

Adamant agrees

[Barook]

This card will be crazy in standard. It feels like a blend between Frost Titan and Hydroid Krasis, both of which saw heavy play.
A shame Dominaria is rotating out.

Naban, Dean of Iteration is hilarious with this.

[Purple Blood]

PO says "target permanents you control". If the wishclaw resolved even with the po on the stack you wouldn't control it anymore. Making it an illegal Target. However this is easily rectified by changing the order here and activating the wishclaw, holding priority, then casting PO.

Ahh. Thanks for the correction. Either way, I think that interplay is pretty powerful. I'd expect the card to get adopted as a 1-2 of. If you enough mana artifacts to play a second PO having this on board makes the kill deterministic. And there's plenty of flex slots to make some cuts for it.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/ferventchampion.jpg

Sunforger combo?

Edit: Also, T2 equipped Jitte swings with first strike. :eyebrow:

[bruizar]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/ferventchampion.jpg

Sunforger combo?

Edit: Also, T2 equipped Jitte swings with first strike. :eyebrow:

As good as he is with a sword, this knight 'shines' with an axe. He seems pushed and absolutely nuts with Bloodforged Battle-Axe


Turn 1: Mountain, Simian Spirit Guide, Fervent Champion, Bloodforged Battle-Axe, Equip, attack for 3, create another Bloodforged Battle-Axe, equip, GO

Turn 2: Attack for 5, make 2 more Bloodforged Battle-Axes, equip them, go

Turn 3: Attack for 9, make 4 Bloodforged Battle Axes

By now you can cast Time Sieve, sacrifice 5 Bloodforged Battle Axes, take an extra turn, if you do this on turn 4 in multiplayer, you take all the turns and kill everybody on the table. A bit wonky but def a commander play I could see in a deck like Najeela that already tries to do the same thing.


Also, the second Fervent Champion adds 3 power to the battlefield.

We're in red so we can use the equipments to sac to Welder or Engineer, throw them under an Arcbound Ravager, use Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast to shoot things down, play with Mox Opal and Galvanic Blast, Shrapnel Blast.

Or you can play a good deck, but who does that?

I might try this thing out as an alternate plan in Painter for the heck of it, to abuse Goblin Engineer with this, Jitte or a sword.

[Final Fortune]

Main argument is past in flames.

I don't think you'd play it, 4 Infernal Tutor and 4 Monkey Paw lets you run 4 Chrome Mox and 4 Mox Opal and just head for Ad Nauseam? Enabling Metalcraft and being able to break up the mana makes this faster than Grim Tutor from gold fishing, I think it will create its own Storm archetype.

[bruizar]

Fervent Knight -> I like this with Bloodforged Battle-Axe
Murderous Rider -> I see this as a win condition for creatureless control decks. The lifegain synergizes well with control because it will help stabilize the control player.
Robber of the Rich -> Dragon Stompy: blocks delver and provides gas while dodging chalice
Once Upon a Time -> Modern Tron, Legacy Dark Depths, perhaps Storm combo like Land Grant. I’m not as big of a fan of this as others, seems overhyped
Embercleave -> Not a good card for legacy, but useful in my particular stompy build. Want to try it out as a one off. Has win more written all over it, but it will be impactful in standard I think. Otherwise crap for legacy
Mystical Dispute -> I think it only works for blue decks that can’t run red. Not a big fan.
Gilded Goose -> I think this is very much a legacy playable, capable of putting burn decks out of contention, which is good for control decks.
Wishclaw Talisman -> I don’t believe the hype. Teferi’s -3 is too expensive to waste on your own card. You want to protect Teferi and need to use that -3 on your opponent’s threats
Seven Dwarves -> I think this will be surprisingly good in Draft and Pauper. Relentless rats costs 3 mana, this is only 2.
Feasting Troll -> 9 life is nothing to scoff at, and recursion is good. Too bad you don’t get food with recurring nightmare, and too bad the thing doesn’t have reach. Yes, I'm talking NicFit. I also like Shimmer Dragon for blue builds.
Questing Beast -> Sylvan Plug?
Witch’s Oven -> This card is a great sacrifice outlet. Veteran Explorer gets 2 lands which can be used to sac the food for 3 life. I could see a fringe nicfit build with Feasting Troll and Witch’s Oven.
Oko -> I’m not sure, but I’m leaning towards yes. I think the +2 is an amazing ability (its best ability). +2 life for Oko, +3 life for you provides a really great pillow, and you can shrink bigger stuff or build your own army once you stabilize. I’m so sad this is Simic though, wish it was Gruul.
The Royal Scions -> I’m not super impressed, but it will be a good card. Just not one that can compete for slots with Teferi and Narset. Reminds me a bit of Elspeth with the + abilities, and reminds me of Chandra, Fire Artisan with the ultimate.

Of all the cards, I most want to get my hands on Golden Goose and Murderous Rider. I think Food is a great mechanic that favors control style builds and a combo meta, beause it slows down the format. Hard times for burn decks.

[mistercakes]

I don't think you'd play it, 4 Infernal Tutor and 4 Monkey Paw lets you run 4 Chrome Mox and 4 Mox Opal and just head for Ad Nauseam? Enabling Metalcraft and being able to break up the mana makes this faster than Grim Tutor from gold fishing, I think it will create its own Storm archetype.

You can't imprint artifacts with chrome mox, so gotta check for colored non artifacts count.

[Backseat_Critic]

Fervent Knight -> I like this with Bloodforged Battle-Axe
Murderous Rider -> I see this as a win condition for creatureless control decks. The lifegain synergizes well with control because it will help stabilize the control player.
Robber of the Rich -> Dragon Stompy: blocks delver and provides gas while dodging chalice
Once Upon a Time -> Modern Tron, Legacy Dark Depths, perhaps Storm combo like Land Grant. I’m not as big of a fan of this as others, seems overhyped
Embercleave -> Not a good card for legacy, but useful in my particular stompy build. Want to try it out as a one off. Has win more written all over it, but it will be impactful in standard I think. Otherwise crap for legacy
Mystical Dispute -> I think it only works for blue decks that can’t run red. Not a big fan.
Gilded Goose -> I think this is very much a legacy playable, capable of putting burn decks out of contention, which is good for control decks.
Wishclaw Talisman -> I don’t believe the hype. Teferi’s -3 is too expensive to waste on your own card. You want to protect Teferi and need to use that -3 on your opponent’s threats
Seven Dwarves -> I think this will be surprisingly good in Draft and Pauper. Relentless rats costs 3 mana, this is only 2.
Feasting Troll -> 9 life is nothing to scoff at, and recursion is good. Too bad you don’t get food with recurring nightmare, and too bad the thing doesn’t have reach. Yes, I'm talking NicFit. I also like Shimmer Dragon for blue builds.
Questing Beast -> Sylvan Plug?
Witch’s Oven -> This card is a great sacrifice outlet. Veteran Explorer gets 2 lands which can be used to sac the food for 3 life. I could see a fringe nicfit build with Feasting Troll and Witch’s Oven.
Oko -> I’m not sure, but I’m leaning towards yes. I think the +2 is an amazing ability (its best ability). +2 life for Oko, +3 life for you provides a really great pillow, and you can shrink bigger stuff or build your own army once you stabilize. I’m so sad this is Simic though, wish it was Gruul.
The Royal Scions -> I’m not super impressed, but it will be a good card. Just not one that can compete for slots with Teferi and Narset. Reminds me a bit of Elspeth with the + abilities, and reminds me of Chandra, Fire Artisan with the ultimate.

Of all the cards, I most want to get my hands on Golden Goose and Murderous Rider. I think Food is a great mechanic that favors control style builds and a combo meta, beause it slows down the format. Hard times for burn decks.

I agree on the goose. It is the only card I preordered so far. It can be had now for about $5. I can see it getting played heavily in standard, so the price may increase after release. I think $5 is fair for an eternal playable mana dork.

Once upon a time I think could be eternal playable, but I'm not sure I want in on the current price. It's best case is great, but otherwise it's kind of a mopey card by legacy standards. Then again, it's a cantrip that dodges chalice. I have a feeling it could be a standard staple, but even then, I can't see it increasing too much in price. I want to play it in simic flash in arena.

Oko is another card I have mixed opinions on. It's not a super powerful card on its own and it's outclassed by the evil blue twins from WAR. The reason I think it will eventually be eternal playable is that I get the feeling food will become evergreen (like treasure). Cheap food generators will be great once a good payoff is printed. That payoff could be lurking in the yet to be spoiled cards. The goose is a safer pick at preorder price. A floor as a mana dork will always be decent.

Royal Scions might be okay in standard/modern phoenix. Other than that, looks on the weak side, because we have an embarrassment of riches at the 3 spot.

Murderous rider is a cool card, but I can only really see it in pox. Even then, it doesn't recur. Creatureless control decks already have Jace (or Wrenn).

[rufus]

Is gingerbrute the first artifact creature that they've printed which has an artifact subtype rather than creature subtypes?

[morgan_coke]

Into the Story 5UU
Instant
Draw four cards.

If an opponent has 7 or more cards in their graveyard, this costs 3 less.

Uncommon


That seems really good as a 2-of in a control deck. Could see something like Miracles playing it as at least a 1-of.

[Smuggo]

Into the Story 5UU
Instant
Draw four cards.

If an opponent has 7 or more cards in their graveyard, this costs 3 less.

Uncommon


That seems really good as a 2-of in a control deck. Could see something like Miracles playing it as at least a 1-of.

Yeah I like this card a lot. Also gonna be an EDH all star.

[Poron]

Miracle is super dead after W6

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/48hbpnjn96m31.png

B Sorcery
Target opponent reveals his or her hand. You may choose a nonland card from the opponent's hand. If you do, opponent exiles that card. If a nonblack card was exiled in this way, exile a card from your hand.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/eld/en_zSUxKmm2v4.png
Two potentially relevant cards (the one above this one, and this one).

[Fox]

So uh....fixed Faithless Looting for modern?

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.imgur.com/2nuQ8Vu.png

[Pittplayer]

https://i.imgur.com/2nuQ8Vu.png

This card is shockingly good and will be a staple in legacy sideboards.

[morgan_coke]

This card is shockingly good and will be a staple in legacy sideboards.

Well, it's cheaper than Rule of Law or Ethersworn Canonist, but I don't know that it's any better. Suffers all the same issues in stopping combo they do.

[Poron]

Rule of Law is unplayably expensive and Canonist is glass fragile.

This card is great and totally wrecks combo and Omniscience. Good job. Now let’s try Erayo’s Essence

[morgan_coke]

Rule of Law is unplayably expensive and Canonist is glass fragile.

This card is great and totally wrecks combo and Omniscience. Good job. Now let’s try Erayo’s Essence

Ponder on my turn.

Brainstorm on your turn.

Chain of Vapor, go off.

I've seen that exact sequence plenty of times with "Rule" effects out. It's a speedbump, nothing more, buys you one turn, maybe, maybe two on the outside in niche cases. There are plenty of better, more versatile options for that job of "buy one turn vs. combo". Even in white this is worse than hitting them with a Silence or Chant halfway through their combo turn.

[Megadeus]

Card is way more playable than rule of law. Pretty decent even against Cantrip Cartel decks. I could definitely see this card seeing play

[Pittplayer]

Ponder on my turn.

Brainstorm on your turn.

Chain of Vapor, go off.

I've seen that exact sequence plenty of times with "Rule" effects out. It's a speedbump, nothing more, buys you one turn, maybe, maybe two on the outside in niche cases. There are plenty of better, more versatile options for that job of "buy one turn vs. combo". Even in white this is worse than hitting them with a Silence or Chant halfway through their combo turn.

I love people who chime in with, but there are answers to that card! Yeah. Every card has a card that stops it. When Silence/Chant came out you would have been, storm runs Duress, so they just strip the card from your hand and go off. And your entire point is nonsense, Chant buys you one turn, this new cards forces your opp to have to dig for answers before going off, buying you multiple turns. And this being one mana makes it way better then the other options.

[Pittplayer]

https://i.redd.it/48hbpnjn96m31.png

B Sorcery
Target opponent reveals his or her hand. You may choose a nonland card from the opponent's hand. If you do, opponent exiles that card. If a nonblack card was exiled in this way, exile a card from your hand.

Interesting. A discard card that's actually good vs dredge.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Interesting. A discard card that's actually good vs dredge.

Great, an Unmask where I still have to pay the mana.

[Scott]

https://i.imgur.com/2nuQ8Vu.png

It seems like whenever we get a solid enchantment lately, it's the exact type of effect that standard Enchantress can't play (and can be used against it), like this and Spirit of the Labyrinth. Estrid's Invocation was an exception. I'm gonna test the new card in my weird build that eschews enchantress effects for RiP, Field, Helm, Humility, etc., but that's another story.

[Final Fortune]

You can't imprint artifacts with chrome mox, so gotta check for colored non artifacts count.

I meant Chrome Mox and Monkey Paw both enable Mox Opal on board, imprinting doesn't matter as it isn't necessary to play Chrome Mox.

[Barook]

Ponder on my turn.

Brainstorm on your turn.

Chain of Vapor, go off.
Seems like a wombo-combo with Little Teferi then - they can't play anything on your turn, but you can play extra stuff on theirs.

[morgan_coke]

Seems like a wombo-combo with Little Teferi then - they can't play anything on your turn, but you can play extra stuff on theirs.

As part of a broader stax-like or DnT type strategy with 3feri it could work, sure.




I love people who chime in with, but there are answers to that card! Yeah. Every card has a card that stops it. When Silence/Chant came out you would have been, storm runs Duress, so they just strip the card from your hand and go off. And your entire point is nonsense, Chant buys you one turn, this new cards forces your opp to have to dig for answers before going off, buying you multiple turns. And this being one mana makes it way better then the other options.

Yes, that's the exact reason Silence/Chant is not a great first choice vs. combo as a hate piece. And Chant is at least versatile enough to act as a fog or weak time-walk effect.

Look, I don't care if you like the card, take it to a fancy restaurant, buy it lobster, take it back to your place, whatever. I can see how it looks enticing, casting cost of 1, semi-relevant Legacy effect, but I'm telling you, it's not good enough for what you're wanting it to do, and I know this from years of trying to get the same results from very similar cards.

[Barook]

Well, it's cheaper than Rule of Law or Ethersworn Canonist, but I don't know that it's any better. Suffers all the same issues in stopping combo they do.
Cheaper is better, though. This could easily fill Maverick's/D&T's blind spot in the one mana department - unless you consider narrow stuff like Mindbreak Trap a viable option.

[Ronald Deuce]

https://i.imgur.com/2nuQ8Vu.png

For fuck's sake.

[Fox]

Deafening Silence is a massive step forwards for WotC design - I'm genuinely shocked that they figured out that abilities that shouldn't exist should be at the very least symmetical.

[colo]

Oh boy, I'm going to crush so many dreams on the sturdy back of Deafening Silence... ♥

[Barook]

Deafening Silence is a massive step forwards for WotC design - I'm genuinely shocked that they figured out that abilities that shouldn't exist should be at the very least symmetical.
Makes you wonder when they're going to figure out playable draw hate that is symmetrical and not fucking blue.

[Megadeus]

Makes you wonder when they're going to figure out playable draw hate that is symmetrical and not fucking blue.

It doesn't even matter now. The non symmetrical blue draw hate is so much better than whatever non symmetrical hate they make would be

[Poron]

yeah Narset and Teferi are impressive

[BenBleiweiss]

https://i.redd.it/lpxdz7e85dm31.png

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://i.redd.it/lpxdz7e85dm31.png

Modern Eggs is back, baby!

[BenBleiweiss]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/eld/en_n7OCnEfrzd.png

[Cire]

Stonecoil Serpent, X
Artifact Creature
Reach, trample, protection from multicolored
When Stonecoil Serpent enters the battlefield, put X +1/+1 counters on it.
0/0

... decay and trophy proof worth it?

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Stonecoil Serpent, X
Artifact Creature
Reach, trample, protection from multicolored
When Stonecoil Serpent enters the battlefield, put X +1/+1 counters on it.
0/0

... decay and trophy proof worth it?

Still eats a push, and how big is this guy, realistically?

[Megadeus]

Stonecoil Serpent, X
Artifact Creature
Reach, trample, protection from multicolored
When Stonecoil Serpent enters the battlefield, put X +1/+1 counters on it.
0/0

... decay and trophy proof worth it?
Also KCommand and walks past Strix and coatl. Trample through TNN and can block a delver

[H]

Also KCommand and walks past Strix and coatl. Trample through TNN and can block a delver

I think the card is interesting, presumably one pairs it with Sol Lands, so X=4 is plausible, which means it can "beat" TNN, and since one is in a Stompy shell, presumably one plays Chalice to pass Swords and Push.

An interesting card, I think it's ceiling is the ceiling of the shell it can feasibly be worked into.


That Gargoyle is interesting as well, for different reasons.

[Glass House]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/irencragfeat.jpg

If you copy this, do you get to play one more spell per copy? This is important...

And this new wording is relieving.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/41b7cbaf-2587-49ec-a8b7-d25724348643/Mirrormade%20[ELD].png

[H]

If you copy this, do you get to play one more spell per copy? This is important...

And this new wording is relieving.

I think we will have to wait for an official ruling on that. My guess, by the way the seem to have chosen to word it, is no, but that depends on what they mean by "more." Two instances of "only one more" might seem to be 2, but could also be construed as two instances of the same injunction.

[BenBleiweiss]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/irencragfeat.jpg

If you copy this, do you get to play one more spell per copy? This is important...

And this new wording is relieving.

No, it's one more spell. If you cast 8x Final Fortune, you still lose the game after your next turn, not 8 turns later ;)

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/bonecrushergiant.jpg

While it can't target TNN itself, it allows sweepers and combat damage (when it blocks) to take care of it. Doesn't seem too shabby, considering you can grab a 4/3 with upside afterwards.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/irencragfeat.jpg

If you copy this, do you get to play one more spell per copy? This is important...

And this new wording is relieving.

No. The next spell will satisfy both.
But, you can COPY that next spell as often as you want.

Edit: You know what? I think that if you copy it the answer is no but if you cast this as the "one more spell" the answer would be yes, because each one is using a can and not a cannot.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

http://mythicspoiler.com/ted/cards/bonecrushergiant.jpg

While it can't target TNN itself, it allows sweepers and combat damage (when it blocks) to take care of it. Doesn't seem too shabby, considering you can grab a 4/3 with upside afterwards.

The stomp side is a little pricey but that 4/3 body with a trigger seems good.

[morgan_coke]

https://media.wizards.com/2019/eld/en_n7OCnEfrzd.png

Good vehicle pilot at the very least. Seems pretty clearly aimed at Legacy.

Can activate Peacewalker Colossus on it's own. Only one power short of turning on Consulate Dreadnought.

[Barook]

The stomp side is a little pricey but that 4/3 body with a trigger seems good.
You can kill a X/2 and then curve into it, given the mana costs. 2 damage for :1::r: certainly isn't Legacy-power level, but you aren't required to use it. Plus, you can always it at the EoT of your your opponent before jamming it.

I can see it fitting into Moon Stompy, or maybe even other decks, depending on how good it turns out.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Only one power short of turning on Consulate Dreadnought.

Yeah, but at that point you're trying to play with entirely the wrong Dreadnought.

[rufus]

No, it's one more spell. If you cast 8x Final Fortune, you still lose the game after your next turn, not 8 turns later ;)

Final Fortune and friends have rather different templating. I'm not sure it's a good comparison. (For what it's worth, there's a game loss trigger at the end of each of those 8 turns, provided you live that long.)

I'm not sure there's a good way to template the "you may only cast one more spell this turn" without introducing the issue that Fourdogsinahorsesuit saw. Do "number of spells you may cast per turn" effects overwrite each other like effects that change maximum hand size?

[Barook]

Good vehicle pilot at the very least. Seems pretty clearly aimed at Legacy.

Can activate Peacewalker Colossus on it's own. Only one power short of turning on Consulate Dreadnought.
Seems like a solid card for those crappy blue Modern Mill decks as a back-up win condition.

[Poron]

Narset +

http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MTG/ELD/en/nonfoil/FolioOfFancies.jpg

[Barook]

The combo with Narset is obviously great, but how often would realistically use the ability without her?