The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

[Barook]

Apparently, Radha's CC and stats reflect how "chunky" she currently is:

https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Radha%252C%2BHeir%2Bto%2BKeld%2B%255BPLC%255D.jpghttps://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Radha%252C%2BHeart%2Bof%2BKeld%2B%255BM21%255D.jpghttps://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Grand%2BWarlord%2BRadha%2B%255BDOM%255D.jpg

[TsumiBand]

Apparently, Radha's CC and stats reflect how "chunky" she currently is:

https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Radha%252C%2BHeir%2Bto%2BKeld%2B%255BPLC%255D.jpghttps://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Radha%252C%2BHeart%2Bof%2BKeld%2B%255BM21%255D.jpghttps://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Grand%2BWarlord%2BRadha%2B%255BDOM%255D.jpg

36-24-36? Only if she's :5::g:

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Why?

[itslarryyo]

Why?

'Cause I'm long, and I'm strong
And I'm down to get the friction on

[BirdsOfParadise]

It would be great if you guys could get through a set preview without turning it into a wet T-shirt contest for the female MtG characters.

[TsumiBand]

It would be great if you guys could get through a set preview without turning it into a wet T-shirt contest for the female MtG characters.

In my defense the lyrics to Baby Got Back are generally regarded as body-positive, I thought it was in good taste. Sorry if I bothered you or anybody else here, I don't generally participate in soup-brained ogling.

[Mr. Safety]

36-24-36? Only if she's :5::g:

I was actually singing 'Brick House' in my head...this should tell you roughly what age I am.

[Watersaw]

In my defense the lyrics to Baby Got Back are generally regarded as body-positive, I thought it was in good taste. Sorry if I bothered you or anybody else here, I don't generally participate in soup-brained ogling.

With that one song Sir Mix-a-Lot has done more for female body positivity than any other musical artist.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m21/cards/shacklegeist.jpg

Kinda playable in Spirit decks?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eajv5a7WAAAIPXH?format=png&name=small comboes with https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EajwC68XYAA22ZB?format=jpg&name=360x360

[Cire]

More Shrines!

https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/817841-m21-mothership-6-15-shrine-tribal

Sanctum of Stone Fangs + Hoden of Infinite Rage can create a pretty quick clock? Including Sanctum of Tranquil light you might have a fun deck

[Barook]

More Shrines!

https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/817841-m21-mothership-6-15-shrine-tribal

Sanctum of Stone Fangs + Hoden of Infinite Rage can create a pretty quick clock? Including Sanctum of Tranquil light you might have a fun deck
That's 4 damage a turn without any other shrines. That isn't exactly quick.

There's no way to copy those shrines without the legendary clause, right? Creatures have several clone variants that can do that, but I don't think there are any for enchantments.

[Fox]

Not that Nine Lives will see much play, but probably not the healthiest wording when the entire point of a color [red] is to deal multiple damage with single spells. Red already can barely touch white enchantments anyhow...Another example of problematic wording/design that DRS’s maindeck presence would have helped marginalize right out of the gates.

[Mr. Safety]

It's a fast clock if you're playing something that is non-combat oriented. There is another new Sanctum that lets you pay 1 and discard a land or shrine that allows you to deal damage = shrines, so kind of like Molten Vortex. Add Life from the Loam and Commune with the Gods and you have the beginnings of Jund Shrine Stompy (with chalice of the void, of course!)

Also, this card is interesting: Kruphix's Insight


https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIF.jDxCKnIyavCVmWOEf6J9rA?pid=Api&rs=1

[morgan_coke]

Well, I guess we know why they put the Hondens in the Historic collection for Arena now.

[BenBleiweiss]

Last Rare of the set. I thought White got Hatebears? https://i.redd.it/n45yilv3k3551.jpg

[Cire]

It's a fast clock if you're playing something that is non-combat oriented. There is another new Sanctum that lets you pay 1 and discard a land or shrine that allows you to deal damage = shrines, so kind of like Molten Vortex. Add Life from the Loam and Commune with the Gods and you have the beginnings of Jund Shrine Stompy (with chalice of the void, of course!)

Quick draft - Shrine Stompy

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Chrome Mox
4 Mox Diamond
3 Sorcerous Spyglass

4 Sanctum of Stone Fangs
4 Hoden of Infinite Rage
4 Sanctum of Shattered Heights

4 Life from the Loam

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
17 Lands (Thespian/Dark Depths?)

[Fox]

whenever you’re playing that many artifacts, cut 2 and replace with 2 Karn at a bare minimum.

[itslarryyo]

Last Rare of the set. I thought White got Hatebears? https://i.redd.it/n45yilv3k3551.jpg

Yes, but blue gets EVERYTHING.
Especially white things.

[Watersaw]

http://mythicspoiler.com/m21/cards/shacklegeist.jpg

Kinda playable in Spirit decks?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eajv5a7WAAAIPXH?format=png&name=small comboes with https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EajwC68XYAA22ZB?format=jpg&name=360x360

Not that it's what Enchantress needs, but even without Solemnity in play Nine Lives is theoretically better than Solitary Confinement and that is not something I ever thought would happen.

[rufus]

...
4 Sanctum of Shattered Heights
...

Doesn't hit players.

[Fox]

Not that it's what Enchantress needs, but even without Solemnity in play Nine Lives is theoretically better than Solitary Confinement and that is not something I ever thought would happen.

Working way to hard with do-nothing like Solemnity, hide the effect in the manabase or off Living Wish with Nesting Grounds. Too easy to exploit braindead design of Hexproof over the vastly more appropriate Shroud - you should not be able to reset nonsense like this with Teferi...

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

More Shrines!

https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/817841-m21-mothership-6-15-shrine-tribal

Sanctum of Stone Fangs + Hoden of Infinite Rage can create a pretty quick clock? Including Sanctum of Tranquil light you might have a fun deck
I'm building shrine tribal even if it's bad

[Cire]

Doesn't hit players.

Its still on color, hits creatures/PWs, ups shrine count and gets rid of extra lands/legendary shrine in hand. Hopefully they release more 2 cmc shrines.

[FTW]

Not that it's what Enchantress needs, but even without Solemnity in play Nine Lives is theoretically better than Solitary Confinement and that is not something I ever thought would happen.

While Nine Lives could be good in a vacuum, it makes you even weaker to storm decks:
-Reverent Silence "0: win the game"
-Grapeshot - now lethal off Storm 9
-Empty the Warrens for 10 1/1 Goblins is a 1-hit kill
-Tendrils of Agony - RTFC

[Glass House]

Not that Nine Lives will see much play, but probably not the healthiest wording when the entire point of a color [red] is to deal multiple damage with single spells. Red already can barely touch white enchantments anyhow...Another example of problematic wording/design that DRS’s maindeck presence would have helped marginalize right out of the gates.

Right? Receiving damage and losing life being treated as mechanically different is something that should have been done away a long time ago IMO. It's one of the few instances I can think of where Magic's pedantry does more harm than good.

[Watersaw]

While Nine Lives could be good in a vacuum, it makes you even weaker to storm decks:
-Reverent Silence "0: win the game"
-Grapeshot - now lethal off Storm 9
-Empty the Warrens for 10 1/1 Goblins is a 1-hit kill
-Tendrils of Agony - RTFC

True, but Enchantress is already unfavored like 92 to 8 vs. Storm. You're just dead to any decent hand barring a lucky lock piece into a second lucky lock piece and all their answers being on the bottom.

[Mr. Safety]

Quick draft - Shrine Stompy

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Chrome Mox
4 Mox Diamond
3 Sorcerous Spyglass

4 Sanctum of Stone Fangs
4 Hoden of Infinite Rage
4 Sanctum of Shattered Heights

4 Life from the Loam

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
17 Lands (Thespian/Dark Depths?)

Depths could be a sideboard plan, but I it doesn't jive with Bridge (which would be super important to buy extra turns to durdle with the shrines.)

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

-Tendrils of Agony - RTFC

Ten drils > Nine lives

[Fox]

Right? Receiving damage and losing life being treated as mechanically different is something that should have been done away a long time ago IMO. It's one of the few instances I can think of where Magic's pedantry does more harm than good.

This distinction adds more interaction to the game and acts as a safety valve when we don't ban the only generically playable black 1-drop life drainer. Simplifying rules while simultaneously printing unimaginative/overpowered/uninteractive/asymmetrical cards is reckless.

This card should have culm upkeep :2: or intelligent wording like "if you would take dmg, add a counter, then prevent an amount of dmg (from that source) equal to number of counters on Nine Lives." Printing hexproof cards that can tank 160 dmg from Marit Lage without any mana demands...

[Wrath of Pie]

Ten drils > Nine lives
We are not worthy of ten drils, we barely deserve the one we have.

[morgan_coke]

I'm building shrine tribal even if it's bad

https://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/core-set-2021/38537-sanctum-of-all

Well, it's not good per se, but this should definitely help.

EDIT: ok, the image link isn't working, but basically it's a WURBG shrine that searches a shrine out every turn, and doubles your triggers once you hit six of them.

[TsumiBand]

Right? Receiving damage and losing life being treated as mechanically different is something that should have been done away a long time ago IMO. It's one of the few instances I can think of where Magic's pedantry does more harm than good.

It's just the player version of "deal X damage" vs "gets -X/-X", they behave differently but sometimes have similar outcomes. How is it harmful?

[Cire]

Barrin, Tolarian Archmage 1UU
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
When Barrin, Tolarian Archmage enters the battlefield, return up to one other target creature or planeswalker to its owner's hand.
At the beginning of your end step, if a permanent was put into your hand from the battlefield this turn, draw a card.
"There is no age at which you stop learning."
2/2

It's a weird card.

[PirateKing]

Barrin, Tolarian Archmage 1UU
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
When Barrin, Tolarian Archmage enters the battlefield, return up to one other target creature or planeswalker to its owner's hand.
At the beginning of your end step, if a permanent was put into your hand from the battlefield this turn, draw a card.
"There is no age at which you stop learning."
2/2

It's a weird card.

Is it finally time for my Undiscovered Paradise to shine?

[FTW]

Is it finally time for my Undiscovered Paradise to shine?

And the color of Oboro, Palace in the Clouds

Too bad there are no Legacy-playable payoffs for Landfall: Tireless Tracker

[Wrath of Pie]

And the color of Oboro, Palace in the Clouds

More importantly, the color has ninjas.

[Barook]

More importantly, the color has ninjas.
Ninja Wizards? I'm down for that.

Barrin is probably designed with Niambi (the new WU flash bouncer) in mind. I just don't see enough payoff jumping through that many hoops for one extra card each of your turns when something like Monarch exists, at least in Legacy.

[Fox]

Barrin seems fine in Aluren as a more interactive Harpy option.

[Glass House]

It's just the player version of "deal X damage" vs "gets -X/-X", they behave differently but sometimes have similar outcomes. How is it harmful?

Difference is that receiving damage counts as losing life, but not the other way around. So most of the time - barring damage amplifying effects - making your opponent lose life is better than dealing them damage, since there are many ways of preventing damage but not many ways of preventing life loss. I say this is harmful because it puts Red at a disadvantage compared to Black.
Though I won't pretend that there isn't any personal bias in my complaints. I guess I just don't see a good reason why it only goes one way instead of both.

[H]

Full Set spoiler is up. (https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/core-set-2021)

Word on the street is Jumpstart spoilers start tomorrow maybe?

[Barook]

Word on the street is Jumpstart spoilers start tomorrow maybe?
Yes. Although I still don't know what to think about Jumpstart. Hopefully the Eternal cards are going to be playable.

https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Run%2BAfoul%2B%255BM21%255D.jpg

Cheap anti-Delver, anti-Griselbrand, anti-Emrakul tech (among few other things) for the SB. Doesn't seem too shabby.

[Mr. Safety]

Full Set spoiler is up. (https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/core-set-2021)

Word on the street is Jumpstart spoilers start tomorrow maybe?

Are we in this world where spoilers never end now? :cry:

[H]

Are we in this world where spoilers never end now? :cry:

"In the grim darkness of the far future, there are only spoilers."

"Neo-spoilers arrive from the future."

And so on, and so forth, :tongue:.

[Ronald Deuce]

36-24-36?

You could say she's got it AAAAAAAAAAAAALL—

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Are we in this world where spoilers never end now? :cry:

Please hype?
NO PLAY!
ONLY HYPE!

[Barook]

"In the grim darkness of the far future, there are only spoilers."

"Neo-spoilers arrive from the future."

And so on, and so forth, :tongue:.
At least they havent' done an annoucement of an annoucement of spoilers - yet.

[mistercakes]

Yes. Although I still don't know what to think about Jumpstart. Hopefully the Eternal cards are going to be playable.

https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Run%2BAfoul%2B%255BM21%255D.jpg

Cheap anti-Delver, anti-Griselbrand, anti-Emrakul tech (among few other things) for the SB. Doesn't seem too shabby.


dark depths

[ESG]

Just noticed Vryn Wingmare got downshifted to uncommon. Feels like a walk of shame. I recall the preorders were quite high on that card when it was spoiled in Magic Origins.

[Fox]

Just noticed Vryn Wingmare got downshifted to uncommon. Feels like a walk of shame. I recall the preorders were quite high on that card when it was spoiled in Magic Origins.

Force of Will was uncommon, Horse of Will now uncommon. All is well.