Jumpstart Spoilers (Insert Witticism Here)

[H]

So allegedly Jumpstart spoiler will start tomorrow? We'll see. For now:

https://i.imgur.com/PQ0Gw67.png

https://i.imgur.com/iHocSUd.png

Spoiler season is all year long now!

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

It's gonna be like playing Numberwang, but with themes.

[rufus]

Is this a Radical Idea or would that be too much of a Risk factor for WotC?

This seems like it's going to be some kind of low cost of entry / casual friendly product.

[Barook]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EatXvW0XgAIEJdQ?format=png&name=small

Interesting take for tapped Duals. Pauper-playable?

Edit: Another one:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EatXxGYWkAIgxga?format=png&name=small

Don't really see the appeal at that mana cost for Legacy.

[the Thin White Duke]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EatXxGYWkAIgxga?format=png&name=small

Don't really see the appeal at that mana cost for Legacy.

A new creature type, Azra? What the f is an Azra?

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/SpeQ6sX.png

4-mana Legends might be something of a thing in the set.

https://i.imgur.com/j7Rm8IS.png

I just think this is nice art for a Forest, haha.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

A new creature type, Azra? What the f is an Azra?

They were in battlebond. They're like human devil hybrid things? I dunno.

[PirateKing]

A quick Gatherer search says there are 7 currently, 6 from Battlebond and 1 from Modern Horizons.
They look like Tieflings or something. Face horns and pointy teeth.

[Fox]

Pretty sure Azrael was the name of some angel in some game. Tiefling/Aasimar would be the D&D equivalent.

[H]

Pretty sure Azrael was the name of some angel in some game. Tiefling/Aasimar would be the D&D equivalent.

That is literally the name of an Hebrew or Quranic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azrael) angel.

But yeah, I'm pretty sure the D&D connection is the salient one here.

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/nIWtY85.png

Well, at least they aren't all 4 mana. Not sure what to make of this card, but it is at least interesting being only two mana. The activated ability is awfully strong, but not sure it justifies itself in Legacy.

[Barook]

Liliana of the Veil curves right into it. You could also use cards like Anvil of Bogardan or Geier Reach Sanitarium to force more discards - fun with Narset and/or Leovold since Tinybones is quite splashable.

It's an odd card for sure.

Edit: The suggestion of Oppression is somewhat interesting.

[Pittplayer]

https://i.imgur.com/nIWtY85.png

Well, at least they aren't all 4 mana. Not sure what to make of this card, but it is at least interesting being only two mana. The activated ability is awfully strong, but not sure it justifies itself in Legacy.

T3 hymn your opponent draw 2? Then late game just finish your opponent outright? Seems strong.

[H]

T3 hymn your opponent draw 2? Then late game just finish your opponent outright? Seems strong.

I'm pretty sure you only ever draw one card per end step with this regardless of how many cards were discarded by an opponent.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

T3 hymn your opponent draw 2? Then late game just finish your opponent outright? Seems strong.

It will only trigger once per end step, no longer how much they discard. (But won't trigger if they discard none)

[Cire]

Seems strong. Even Land, Ritual, Tinybones, Discard is a decent play IMO. Generally maybe decks run more discard and it can function as Bob 5+.

Edit: Also, it triggers each end step not just your end step so maybe combine it with discard and cheap cards like Geier Reach Sanitarium to force discards on opponents end steps as well so you get more card draw.

[Barook]

Raven's Crime can also be fueled with the extra drawn lands. Would it fit into a 8 Rack variant? It clashes with Smallpox, though. And being pretty much the only creature paints a big, fat target onto it for creature removal.

[Cire]

https://3images.cgames.de/images/gamestar/287/witchcraft-karten_6103702.jpg

That's a badass swamp.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Finally! The recognition I deserve!
...Just missing the horse suit.
Release the dogs!

[ESG]

Pretty sure Azrael was the name of some angel in some game. Tiefling/Aasimar would be the D&D equivalent.

My first thought was comics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azrael_(comics)

[BenBleiweiss]

I think we have the first Legacy card from JST https://i.redd.it/z2muae892o551.png

[H]

Elves T1 now? :eyebrow:

Not sure what else would use it though.

[Glass House]

Elves with Chalice? :eek:
Though making every Green spell uncounterable must certainly make it applicable in more than just Elves.

[Cire]

Elves and Chalice are the obvious interactions, but I want to make something that works with Blood Funnel or Nether World :tongue:

[Fox]

Elves and Chalice are the obvious interactions, but I want to make something that works with Blood Funnel or Nether World :tongue:

Fungal Rebirth (link to card will work in a few days)...

[Whoshim]

Allosaurus Shepherd with Painter for extra fun. :D

[Mr. Safety]

Elves T1 now? :eyebrow:

Not sure what else would use it though.

Maverick and Nic-Fit both will want this as a singleton at least. Ensuring your GSZ's aren't countered will be pretty huge. The closest simulation of this we have is Vexing Shusher, which is much more mana-intensive.

This set looks pretty damn fun, actually. The idea is to just crack a couple packs, sleeve up, and play right?

[H]

Maverick and Nic-Fit both will want this as a singleton at least. Ensuring your GSZ's aren't countered will be pretty huge. The closest simulation of this we have is Vexing Shusher, which is much more mana-intensive.

This set looks pretty damn fun, actually. The idea is to just crack a couple packs, sleeve up, and play right?

In theory, yes, but I think the "optimal" way they said it plays is to open 4 packs, make two decks, then play a match with someone, each player having a game with each deck, or something like that.

[Barook]

Elves and Chalice are the obvious interactions, but I want to make something that works with Blood Funnel or Nether World :tongue:
Blood Funnel is kinda silly, but Nether World? Sure, why not? Elf Stax with it and Chalice sounds hilarious.

It's worth pointing out that aside from the Chalice interaction, NO also becomes uncounterable, so you can faceroll now even against countermagic. That it can act as an alternate wincon is just the icing on the cake.

Wouldn't surprise if the saw an uptick in Plague Engineer usage.

[Cire]

Blood Funnel is kinda silly, but Nether World? Sure, why not? Elf Stax with it and Chalice sounds hilarious.



Let's do it - some sort of weird Sylvan Plug mix?

4 GSZ
4 Allosaurus Shepard
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Ramunap Excavator
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth

2 Abrupt Decay
2 Assassin's Trophy
4 Mox Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Toxic Deluge
2 Sylvan Library
4 Nether World
2 Mox Diamond

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
12 Lands

Or maybe more mana dorks to really punch in the early Nether World?

[H]

Just a note that Nether World is not a card, but Nether Void sure is, :cool:.

[Cire]

Just a note that Nether World is not a card, but Nether Void sure is, :cool:.

Lol, yes *facepalm*

[H]

Lol, yes *facepalm*

Now, I shall retreat to hoping that could be a "real deck" while also crying to myself that I only own 3, :cry:.

[ColeM]

Yeah this stompy-shell idea seems bad.

Jamming this into elves that was already running 4 GSZ, 3-4 OUaT, and 3-4 NO seems pretty good though. Seems great with Gaea's Cradle. Chalice in the side may be an interesting option if elves wasn't doing this already (I don't play elves, so maybe they did this already, or maybe it's a dumb suggestion).

[H]

Yeah this stompy-shell idea seems bad.

Jamming this into elves that was already running 4 GSZ, 3-4 OUaT, and 3-4 NO seems pretty good though. Seems great with Gaea's Cradle. Chalice in the side may be an interesting option if elves wasn't doing this already (I don't play elves, so maybe they did this already, or maybe it's a dumb suggestion).

I mean, it could work, but is also a liability. If they kill the Shepherd, or even worse, all your creatures, you are "stuck" behind your own Chalice.

I guess it might be OK to do vs a fast combo deck, maybe. But in a "typical" Blue Midrange matchup, that doesn't seem like it would win too often.

[Cire]

I think you can sort of treat it as a 5 mana "combo" with Nether Void that can be split up into multiple turns (honestly you only really need to get the void down and have the Elf in hand, then next turn after opponent can't do much you play elf plus threat). It doesn't win you the game but it should lock almost everybody else out from doing anything, then you can run big butts and chalice as well to provide a clock for what came before or gets through nether void.

[non-inflammable]

I saw a sweet nic-fit deck with 4 nether void, 4 shifting ceratops, 4 abrupt decay, 3 prowling serpopard, vexing shusher, carnage tyrant

I'm sure the allosaurus shepherd could slot in somewhere

[Watersaw]

I saw a sweet nic-fit deck with 4 nether void, 4 shifting ceratops, 4 abrupt decay, 3 prowling serpopard, vexing shusher, carnage tyrant

I'm sure the allosaurus shepherd could slot in somewhere

What about going Bant for 3feri?


Blood Funnel is kinda silly, but Nether World? Sure, why not? Elf Stax with it and Chalice sounds hilarious.

It's worth pointing out that aside from the Chalice interaction, NO also becomes uncounterable, so you can faceroll now even against countermagic. That it can act as an alternate wincon is just the icing on the cake.

Wouldn't surprise if the saw an uptick in Plague Engineer usage.

Does Elves need Craterhoof anymore? Can you run this in place and Zenith+activate to kill?

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I saw a sweet nic-fit deck with 4 nether void, 4 shifting ceratops, 4 abrupt decay, 3 prowling serpopard, vexing shusher, carnage tyrant

I'm sure the allosaurus shepherd could slot in somewhere
At this point why not run good creatures and leyline?

[PirateKing]

Does Elves need Craterhoof anymore? Can you run this in place and Zenith+activate to kill?

Trample is a significant consideration. Some number of elves across from some number of Baleful Strix would be a bad time, but Craterhoof makes the math easy. Sum power - sum toughness = damage dealt.

[Barook]

Let's do it - some sort of weird Sylvan Plug mix?

4 GSZ
4 Allosaurus Shepard
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Ramunap Excavator
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth

2 Abrupt Decay
2 Assassin's Trophy
4 Mox Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Toxic Deluge
2 Sylvan Library
4 Nether World
2 Mox Diamond

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
12 Lands
Technically, Nether Void memes aside, you could also run NO with Arbor and a bunch of fetches for the big payoff.

Or you could run a Painter combo deck for the memes.

[rufus]

...
Or you could run a Painter combo deck for the memes.

Dovescape is another funny one.

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/WwPN11e.png

Sure hoses Red in EDH.

https://i.imgur.com/wQAG13T.png

Just capped from Stream. It sucks, but I am posting it anyway.

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/w4aIGV5.png

Unicorn EDH here we come.

https://i.imgur.com/PbGIgYb.png

Can't even front though, the Basics in this set are almost all home runs.

[H]

Can't even front though, the Basics in this set are almost all home runs.

https://i.imgur.com/uFYpG2U.png

[Cire]

Shitty infinite battlefield triggers with Emiel + Priest of Gix/Priest of Urabrask. You can also combo it with the untap creatures like Peregrine drake for infinite mana (and thus infinite power to the untap creature)

[Wilkin]

Shitty infinite battlefield triggers with Emiel + Priest of Gix/Priest of Urabrask. You can also combo it with the untap creatures like Peregrine drake for infinite mana (and thus infinite power to the untap creature)

Lol, my first thought when I saw your post was....wait a second, they are unicorns and how does that help? I suppose you can also combo it with a card like Corpse Knight to kill your opponent.

[Cire]

Lol, my first thought when I saw your post was....wait a second, they are unicorns and how does that help? I suppose you can also combo it with a card like Corpse Knight to kill your opponent.

Yeah plenty of stuff can be triggered by the combo - it's just not a very good combo :tongue:

[PirateKing]

https://i.imgur.com/uFYpG2U.png

Hold up, is there a Phyrexian theme pack that has this art?
Is it only swamp or is there all 5?
Dammit man you can't just post a picture without context!

[Barook]

You can also combo it with the untap creatures like Peregrine drake for infinite mana (and thus infinite power to the untap creature)
How do you give infinite power to the creature? You only get one trigger to put a counter onto it. Other instances get deleted once you flicker the creature.

A shame it can't flicker opponent's creatures. Displacer is one of my favorite Magic cards. But still, not requiring colorless mana is pretty decent.

Time to play some Training Grounds to do some really stupid shit. A shame Zirda is banned.

[Cire]

How do you give infinite power to the creature? You only get one trigger to put a counter onto it. Other instances get deleted once you flicker the creature.

Ah should have RTFC, thanks.

[Barook]

The basic land art is knocking it out of the park this time. It's like WotC is actually trying for once:

http://mythicspoiler.com/j21/cards/heavenlyarmoredplains.jpg

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/Ly9UY0Y.png

Pirate Stomy is back on the menu? (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?32010-Pirate-Stompy) :laugh:

Island is neat though:
https://i.imgur.com/4j0oMpg.png

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/sGQPcAH.png

Return to Hurloon!

[Cire]

Well cowstorm (Deathbellow War Cry) got slightly better:

Previously you search up: Fanatic of Mogis, Kragma Warcaller, Rageblood Shaman, and Neheb, the Worthy/Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion.
Now you can search up: Sethron, Hurloon Minotaur, Rageblood Shaman, and any one other Minotaur.

So combo is 1-2 less cards in the board :tongue:

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://i.imgur.com/Ly9UY0Y.png

Pirate Stomy is back on the menu? (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?32010-Pirate-Stompy) :laugh:

Island is neat though:
https://i.imgur.com/4j0oMpg.png

I wish the boats were just in the water/ Then it would be like top 10.

[H]

https://i.imgur.com/NRnkUNF.png

Much Goblin love lately, :laugh:.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Much Goblin love lately, :laugh:.
Bout time!

#MakeGoblinsGreatAgain

[Barook]

Lackey into Muxus is going to be absolute bullshit if you get a decent number of hits. Goblin Recruiter unban never.

In Vintage, you can setup a T2 combo with
T1 Lackey
T2 Recruiter, set up the combo, swing with Lackey, Muxus, put 6 desired Goblins into play, combo, win.

[mistercakes]

That's cool that vintage goblins can have such a strong turn 2.

[Barook]

That's cool that vintage goblins can have such a strong turn 2.
If you have Cavern on T1, it makes the whole combo uncounterable, too. Needle and Spyglass can't do shit to prevent the combo since you can blow up artifacts with one of the six goblins you put into play.

At that point, it's removal, blocker or bust for the opponent. Pretty scary.

[ColeM]

If you have Cavern on T1, it makes the whole combo uncounterable, too. Needle and Spyglass can't do shit to prevent the combo since you can blow up artifacts with one of the six goblins you put into play.

At that point, it's removal, blocker or bust for the opponent. Pretty scary.


In addition to a Vintage goblins list that can go - T1 Conspicuous Snoop, T2 Recruiter -> win. It's a shame that Thorn of Amethyst and Chalice are both restricted.


Ugh, I want a Recruiter unban so much now.

[Barook]

In addition to a Vintage goblins list that can go - T1 Conspicuous Snoop, T2 Recruiter -> win. It's a shame that Thorn of Amethyst and Chalice are both restricted.

Ugh, I want a Recruiter unban so much now.
With those new cards, I don't.

Chances are that it would probably be too degenerate for Legacy. Those aren't cute Ringleader chains anymore, but T2-T3 (uncounterable) instawin combos for minimal opportunity cost in deck building.

[BirdsOfParadise]

That's cool that vintage goblins can have such a strong turn 2.
Vintage being what it is, I have no idea if you actually think that’s cool or if you’re throwing shade on Goblins :-)

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

So there's a lot of good basic land arts, but astrolabe exists so who cares?

[Mr. Safety]

Did we hit any playable cards for Legacy in here? It seems really fun as a limited format but underwhelming as far as getting any traction in Legacy.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Did we hit any playable cards for Legacy in here? It seems really fun as a limited format but underwhelming as far as getting any traction in Legacy.

There's the ringleader on steroids that puts them into play, which is playable because Lackey and Instigator don't care if it costs one or one hundred.

[Cire]

Did we hit any playable cards for Legacy in here? It seems really fun as a limited format but underwhelming as far as getting any traction in Legacy.

Muxus and the Shepard

Edit - Snoop was M21 . . . so many spoilers lately

[mistercakes]

If you have Cavern on T1, it makes the whole combo uncounterable, too. Needle and Spyglass can't do shit to prevent the combo since you can blow up artifacts with one of the six goblins you put into play.

At that point, it's removal, blocker or bust for the opponent. Pretty scary.

sorry for the late response here. given the kinds of results that legacy has been putting up, i'm very happy to see that the power level of goblins is even higher now. if legacy can be more tribal than good stuff, the format is in good shape.

[Wrath of Pie]

Apparently they found a way around the reserved list for dual lands!

At least, that is what Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/htb0aj/opened_a_jumpstart_booster_and_got_7_volcanic/) tells me.

[Fox]

Apparently they found a way around the reserved list for dual lands!

At least, that is what Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/htb0aj/opened_a_jumpstart_booster_and_got_7_volcanic/) tells me.
Well that's the first step towards banning Fetchlands. I'd 100% let that fly as a Volc lol.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Apparently they found a way around the reserved list for dual lands!

At least, that is what Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/htb0aj/opened_a_jumpstart_booster_and_got_7_volcanic/) tells me.

You fools they said they wouldn't reprint certain cards but left the door open to put them all in one card!