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kinda
12-13-2020, 01:01 PM
So, we're trying to combo chains of mephistopheles with dark deal to discard everyone's hand then cast stuff like Haakon from the gy. I think chains could be good vs oko decks plus elves or grizzly etc. type decks.


4 chains of mephistopheles
4 Chalice of the void
4 dark deal
3 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
4 bloodghast
1 hogaak
1 vendilion clique
2 narset, parter of veils
2 Nameless inversion
1 zur's weirding
1 Anvil of Bogardan
2 buried alive
2 collective brutality
2 murderous rider
1 Midnight Reaper
1 Cavalier of Night
1 Oathsworn Knight
1 Blacklance Paragon

2 lotus petal
4 chrome mox
2 Cavern of Souls
3 Sunken Ruins
4 Polluted Delta
1 island
2 swamp
4 underground sea
2 ancient tomb

SB
4 Plague Engineer
4 leyline of the void
2 sorcerous spyglass
2 true-name nemesis
3 brazen borrower

Fox
12-13-2020, 02:16 PM
Court Hussar and Entomb missing. Darkblast and Bridge from Below singletons and other Entomb fun times missing. Remember that changing X/1 Knight to 2/2 zombro is your ideal answer to Plague Engi. Consider Crib Swap.

Anvil, Zur's, Narset, Clique, so many Ghast, Buried Alive, Cavalier/Oathsworn/Midnight are all excessive. Dark Deal, Chains, and Chalice all pretty excessive and = autoloss to Oko. Consider Bloodchief's Thirst, Sinkhole, Kaya (3cmc), Vengeful Pharaoh, discard on land (Geier Reach). Would always play Rit over Chrome Mox (especially with option of Oppo Agent).

kinda
12-13-2020, 03:48 PM
Court Hussar and Entomb missing. Darkblast and Bridge from Below singletons and other Entomb fun times missing. Remember that changing X/1 Knight to 2/2 zombro is your ideal answer to Plague Engi. Consider Crib Swap.

Anvil, Zur's, Narset, Clique, so many Ghast, Buried Alive, Cavalier/Oathsworn/Midnight are all excessive. Dark Deal, Chains, and Chalice all pretty excessive and = autoloss to Oko. Consider Bloodchief's Thirst, Sinkhole, Kaya (3cmc), Vengeful Pharaoh, discard on land (Geier Reach). Would always play Rit over Chrome Mox (especially with option of Oppo Agent).

I think you might be right on entomb, I'll try something without CotV next. I'm concerned with W though but without tomb it might be OK.

I think chains is very good vs. Oko decks, especially the control versions. Wut is more difficult is finding self synergies with chains.

Fox
12-13-2020, 04:02 PM
Your draw effects need to come on the upkeep to exploit with Darkblast dredging if you're using Chains. Court Hussain doesn't care about Chains effects.. I would use Ashiok before Chains however, particularly with Dark Rit over Mox.

Reeplcheep
12-13-2020, 10:36 PM
This perhaps will not fit in this deck, but I came up with a jank t4 "2 card" combo involving Haakon and knights.

t2 heartless summoning, t3 buried alive for haakon, corpse knight & jousting dummy. t4 cast haakon, cast corpse knight, then cast jousting dummy a million times.

https://CommanderSpellbook.com/?id=6971

Pittplayer
12-13-2020, 11:10 PM
This perhaps will not fit in this deck, but I came up with a jank t4 "2 card" combo involving Haakon and knights.

t2 heartless summoning, t3 buried alive for haakon, corpse knight & jousting dummy. t4 cast haakon, cast corpse knight, then cast jousting dummy a million times.

https://CommanderSpellbook.com/?id=6971

That's actually a neat combo!

rufus
12-14-2020, 09:32 AM
This perhaps will not fit in this deck, but I came up with a jank t4 "2 card" combo involving Haakon and knights.

t2 heartless summoning, t3 buried alive for haakon, corpse knight & jousting dummy. t4 cast haakon, cast corpse knight, then cast jousting dummy a million times.

https://CommanderSpellbook.com/?id=6971

You could streamline it with Perilous Myr instead of Jousting Dummy, but heartless summoning (1B) -> buried alive (2B) -> Haakon (BB) is a little heavy on the mana cost, and I'm not sure you can get heartless summoning out of the graveyard easily so I'm not sure it can work as a surprise combo well.

Pittplayer
12-27-2020, 02:43 PM
You could streamline it with Perilous Myr instead of Jousting Dummy, but heartless summoning (1B) -> buried alive (2B) -> Haakon (BB) is a little heavy on the mana cost, and I'm not sure you can get heartless summoning out of the graveyard easily so I'm not sure it can work as a surprise combo well.

???? Dummy is a knight, Myr isnt... what am I missing?

FTW
12-28-2020, 05:26 AM
It doesn't work

Opposition Agent seems very strong, and that encourages Dark Rits. Dark Rit and Entomb means probably no Chalice, and maybe some Liliana of the Veil.


//Mana: 25
4 Dark Ritual
3 Chrome Mox
2 Ancient Tomb
1 Geier Reach Sanitarium
4 Cavern of Souls
11 Snow-Covered Swamp

//Combo: 8
4 Chains of Mephistopheles
4 Dark Deal

//Spells: 9
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Thoughtseize
3 Entomb

//Planeswalkers: 2
2 Liliana of the Veil

//Creatures: 16
4 Opposition Agent
3 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
2 Murderous Rider
2 Nameless Inversion
1 Blacklance Paragon
2 Knight of the Ebon Legion
1 Vengeful Pharaoh
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob

//Sideboard: 15
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Plague Engineer
2 Sorcerous Spyglass
1 Darkblast
1 Cling to Dust
1 Murderous Rider
1 Collective Brutality
1 Bloodchief's Thirst
1 Null Rod


The 1cc cards seem pretty strong here, maybe better than what Chalice would do.

Could try to fit in 2-3 Bloodghast too. It and Haakon have synergy with the Dark Deal combo and with Cabal Therapy.

Fox
12-28-2020, 08:58 AM
The moment Bloodghast is im deck, you're just worse Hogaak. Different cards names, but the exact same deck - just worse.

kinda
12-28-2020, 10:20 AM
The moment Bloodghast is im deck, you're just worse Hogaak. Different cards names, but the exact same deck - just worse.

Not in the slightest, hogaak can't morph into a deck which isn't reliant on the GY.

kinda
01-02-2021, 10:56 AM
Boshnroll tried a chains plus dark deal deck.

https://youtu.be/WPx4CmNQxJs

non-inflammable
01-03-2021, 09:16 PM
Boshnroll tried a chains plus dark deal deck.

https://youtu.be/WPx4CmNQxJs

i liked the deck enough to screen capture the list, but i'd pivot the deck back to a lands deck with the chains & dark deal combo.
go back to 4 wasteland, drop the manabonds and add explorations; play it like a fun lands list with a quirky combo...

kinda
01-04-2021, 07:27 AM
Wasteland isn't very good against the labe decks though and the nonlabe decks still only run 1-2 basics where recurring GQ might be better than WL.