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Barook
11-29-2021, 11:29 AM
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/unfinity-and-beyond-2021-11-29

There's alot to dig in here, but the basic gist is:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFX9J1yUUAIR_JV?format=png&name=900x900

H
11-29-2021, 01:01 PM
Here are the examples, so far, that I think we have been shown to be Eternal legal cards:

Not this one actually, see the post further below:
https://i.imgur.com/q53FtTu.png

But these two are:
https://i.imgur.com/1aE1eUD.png
https://i.imgur.com/k9AZ07u.png

Barook
11-29-2021, 02:10 PM
How does Saw in Half interact with something like Death's Shadow? Do you get two */* tokens?

H
11-29-2021, 02:11 PM
How does Saw in Half interact with something like Death's Shadow? Do you get two */* tokens?

I'm not exactly sure, but it might only consider what the values are when the spell resolves?

H
11-29-2021, 02:30 PM
Apparently (and not shockingly) they made a mistake, the Water Gun Balloon card is not Eternal Legal:
https://i.imgur.com/JIuYRFR.png

PJim
11-29-2021, 02:38 PM
Death's Shadow isn't actually */*, so won't need clarification. Anything that is */* has an ability that sets the power and toughness, and both the tokens would have the same ability, which I think would override the halving.

And I was going to say about pink...

PirateKing
11-29-2021, 02:51 PM
Wheels can't fall off if they were never on

H
11-29-2021, 04:04 PM
Death's Shadow isn't actually */*, so won't need clarification. Anything that is */* has an ability that sets the power and toughness, and both the tokens would have the same ability, which I think would override the halving.

You might be right there, those cases have always confused me, honestly.


And I was going to say about pink...

Yeah, I should have seen that off the bat, but my brain saw "token" and immediately stopped reading.

Barook
11-29-2021, 04:18 PM
I was too irritated by the Teddy creature type to notice the pink. Besides, who normally gives a shit about the color of a token?

thecrav
11-29-2021, 04:33 PM
What a shit show. Without reading the text on the card, the difference between legal and not legal is a 1/4" symbol at the bottom of the card that we'd previously been conditioned to ignore (and which has, many times, not been present when intended).

Not legal vs legal vs legal

https://media.wizards.com/2021/images/daily/en_5MA3eWqFh7_v3.pnghttps://media.wizards.com/2021/unf/en_Pmv1VXokem.pnghttps://media.wizards.com/2021/unf/en_ECn7cmU0Bf.png

Barook
11-29-2021, 04:41 PM
What a shit show. Without reading the text on the card, the difference between legal and not legal is a 1/4" symbol at the bottom of the card that we'd previously been conditioned to ignore (and which has, many times, not been present when intended).
Agreed. And it also ignores the elephant in the room - people don't want other people to play illegal cards - even in casual formats. Silver-boarded cards may be black-bordered now, but people will still tell you to fuck off if you try to play them.

Zoid
11-29-2021, 05:01 PM
Oh nice, I've been wondering when the weekly middle finger from WotC was coming.

Can't wait for the u-turn after people beat each other up at commander rounds over this.

Wrath of Pie
11-29-2021, 05:56 PM
Oh nice, I've been wondering when the weekly middle finger from WotC was coming.

Can't wait for the u-turn after people beat each other up at commander rounds over this.

No, they'll just say "rule 0" and just handwave format management as usual.

Zoid
11-29-2021, 06:16 PM
No, they'll just say "rule 0" and just handwave format management as usual.
"Everyone who plays acorn cards gets it in the nuts"?

Community management never works out in the long run.
However wizzards can't keep from fucking it up either.
What a clown world.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
11-29-2021, 06:48 PM
I don't see why they can't put silver border and black border in the same pack.
Like they already did

Zoid
11-29-2021, 07:24 PM
I don't see why they can't put silver border and black border in the same pack.
Like they already did

That would probably require 2 separate sheets for every rarity which they can't be bothered with.
They would also manage to screw it up somehow, I'm rather sure.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
11-29-2021, 07:47 PM
That would probably require 2 separate sheets for every rarity which they can't be bothered with.
They would also manage to screw it up somehow, I'm rather sure.

Counterpoint: does it?
Are you telling me it's not possible to put black and silver borders on the same sheet?
And before you answer remember Steamflogger Boss

Zoid
11-29-2021, 08:38 PM
Counterpoint: does it?
Are you telling me it's not possible to put black and silver borders on the same sheet?
And before you answer remember Steamflogger Boss

Was he on the same sheet though?

Technically, it should be obviously possible but wizards being wizards.....

There were also cases of misprints in the past where the cards where just blank with a black border.

Who knows?

Still doesn't change the fact that it's stupid as hell.

Probably easy as hell to manipulate the little safety emblem thingies.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
11-29-2021, 08:50 PM
Well boss was the only black bordered card in the set so it had to be on SOME sheet....

Zoid
11-30-2021, 02:48 AM
Well boss was the only black bordered card in the set so it had to be on SOME sheet....

After some googling I found this:


Steamflogger boss has 1/121 chance to replace the land in an unstable booster. So the odds for getting that, and having it be foil is whatever the chance for foil is * 1/121 I'd belive it's somewhere between 1/1000 or 1/500.
I guess it was on the basic sheet which would be still weird as they were borderless.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
11-30-2021, 10:59 AM
After some googling I found this:


I guess it was on the basic sheet which would be still weird as they were borderless.
Lol, imagine opening a pack that's only value is going to be the basic labs and getting Steamflogger Boss instead

rufus
11-30-2021, 01:55 PM
That would probably require 2 separate sheets for every rarity which they can't be bothered with.
They would also manage to screw it up somehow, I'm rather sure.

How confident are you that they won't screw up the acorns either?

PirateKing
11-30-2021, 03:40 PM
How confident are you that they won't screw up the acorns either?

Seems they already have with Water Gun Balloon Game. Ten bucks says if nobody on Twitter had said anything it would have gone to print like that.

Goaswerfraiejen
11-30-2021, 03:56 PM
Uuuuugh.

These are increasingly poor design decisions. (Not surprising, given the acelerated release schedule.)

Zoid
11-30-2021, 04:03 PM
Seems they already have with Water Gun Balloon Game. Ten bucks says if nobody on Twitter had said anything it would have gone to print like that.

How unsurprising.

They couldn't have chosen a less overlookable feature and still managed to fuck it up.

People will still buy it in droves.
Modern consumer culture is awful.

Edit:


(Editor's Note: In a previous version of this article, this card's holofoil stamp was displayed with the oval shape security stamp when it should have been an acorn security stamp. This card has an acorn stamp with the same format legality as other acorn-stamped cards in this article.)

I'll give them a week to screw it up for real.

BirdsOfParadise
12-01-2021, 02:53 AM
The difference between a goofy design and a really cool, creative design is often just in the “skin” (Look At Me, I’m The DCI vs Meddling Mage). Previous Un-sets have strayed really close to designs with reasonable fantasy-world flavor and super intuitive yet creative mechanics (Three-Headed Goblin, Animate Library). Hearthstone has shown that a lot of fantasy gamers are open to game flavor that doesn’t take itself too seriously. I kinda dig the design space they’re exploring here, but the business about some of the cards being legal and others not is weird.

Purple Blood
12-09-2021, 03:23 AM
So basically the future of Magic is Commander, Historic "where we test random bullshit," and "Modern Horizons the format." Color me interested.

ParkerLewis
12-17-2021, 05:18 PM
On the particular aspect of Steamflogger Boss, it has been stated numerous times when Unstable came out that this card had its own separate sheet.

On all the rest, I just don't see what all the bitching is about.

Some black-border cards won't be "tournament-legal in eternal formats", and a nut holo will be a sign they aren't. So what ? When legality is defined by banlists, how does that change anything ? And who the fuck does that actually affect in any relevant way ?

Players that don't play in tournaments ? They don't care about tournament legality.

Players that play in Modern or more recent tournaments ? Like a Commander set, no Unfinity card is legal in these so acorn or not doesn't change anything.

Players that play in Legacy or Vintage tournaments ? Yeah, think of all these unaware, innocent new players entering a legacy or vintage tournament who will get burned trying to play an acorn card in a sanctioned tournament ! Dang, and they knew about silver-border being forbidden, and they knew about the format banlist, but only somehow filtered it by non-acorn cards and got caught trying to play a manual dexterity or an art-matters card ! So much for the Legacy and Vintage tournament scenes being the entry point for MtG.

...

Just stop the useless bitching and do something productive with your lives instead. And for those of you who weren't bitching, thank you for demonstrating there still are some sane people on the Internet.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
12-17-2021, 06:39 PM
On the particular aspect of Steamflogger Boss, it has been stated numerous times when Unstable came out that this card had its own separate sheet.

Ok so they can make cards in one set with two different borderes? They'd just have to make sure it divides by the quantity of a sheet but not really because it turns out you can make a sheet of just one card and still distrib...

Just stop the useless bitching and do something productive with your lives instead.
Lol you almost had me there!

PirateKing
07-27-2022, 03:52 PM
https://i.imgur.com/8RYgIZn.png

Are we not talking about this?


The majority, but not all, of the cards that can sticker or care about stickers are eternal playable (usable in Commander, Legacy, and Vintage).

What are the chances something is pushed a little too hard and now we're a sticker format?

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
07-27-2022, 04:49 PM
He also said that none of the sticker cards are pushed.

But also stickers can be tracked by paper and you can get your sticker sheets at random using your phone which means:

None of the cards are playable, and even if they were their effects are incredibly random, and even if they weren't it's just ability-counters by another name.

Kage
07-28-2022, 05:29 AM
...and we needed this shit in eternal constructed formats because...?

Kage
07-28-2022, 05:30 AM
He also said that none of the sticker cards are pushed.


Like Nexus of Fate that did not see any constructed play whatsoever, right?

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
07-28-2022, 07:40 AM
Like Nexus of Fate that did not see any constructed play whatsoever, right?

Right, the card they pushed to sell boxes was played.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
07-28-2022, 07:41 AM
...and we needed this shit in eternal constructed formats because...?

IDK, why do you need any new cards? If you want to freeze the game in Amber may I suggest Cube? Or one of those nostalgia chasing X-school formats?

Fox
07-28-2022, 08:39 AM
Looking forward to 12-PostIt as a new archetype.

kinda
07-28-2022, 10:36 AM
Looking forward to 12-PostIt as a new archetype.

:laugh: ... that's a great name tbh.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
07-28-2022, 10:38 AM
Nic Stick

TheInfamousBearAssassin
07-28-2022, 11:39 AM
IDK, why do you need any new cards? If you want to freeze the game in Amber may I suggest Cube? Or one of those nostalgia chasing X-school formats?

This is a stupid argument, of course not every change is good, and plenty are in fact going to be stupid and bad.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
07-28-2022, 12:23 PM
This is a stupid argument, of course not every change is good, and plenty are in fact going to be stupid and bad.
That has nothing to do with what I, or the poster I quoted, said.

H
09-20-2022, 11:58 AM
For those times where you feel that Raging River won't make the board convoluted enough:
https://i.imgur.com/QmsFtVM.jpeg

H
09-20-2022, 12:02 PM
But on a slightly serious note, this guy at least seems interesting:
https://i.imgur.com/d21CCTP.png

Probably too delicate a body and too much to activate off the bat to really be a Legacy playable. But, it is a long-term value engine if you opponent somehow can't get rid of it.

(I thought we had a post about this card already, but it seems not?)

rufus
09-20-2022, 02:20 PM
But on a slightly serious note, this guy at least seems interesting:
https://i.imgur.com/d21CCTP.png

Probably too delicate a body and too much to activate off the bat to really be a Legacy playable. But, it is a long-term value engine if you opponent somehow can't get rid of it.

(I thought we had a post about this card already, but it seems not?)

It ends the game if the cards gives additional untap and attack like Fury of the Horde or Time Warp.

Barook
09-20-2022, 02:30 PM
Remind me: The egg-shaped ones are legal for tournament play, while the acorn ones are illegal? Or was if the other way around? Either way, what a stupid way to design a set.

H
09-20-2022, 02:42 PM
Remind me: The egg-shaped ones are legal for tournament play, while the acorn ones are illegal? Or was if the other way around? Either way, what a stupid way to design a set.

Yes, the normal shaped holofoil ones are Eternal-format legal. The Acorn-shaped holofoil ones are only Un-legal (i.e. legal in casual formats). If it has no Holofoil, it is Eternal legal as well.

And yes, it is stupid. Un-sets are extremely stupid and only more so when they are also non-Un-sets at the same time. Welcome to 2022, everyone.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
09-20-2022, 02:44 PM
Remind me: The egg-shaped ones are legal for tournament play, while the acorn ones are illegal? Or was if the other way around? Either way, what a stupid way to design a set.

Sorta: Acorn marks are illegal.
The normal oval marks are legal like you said but so are un-marked cards (like commons/uncommons)

rufus
09-20-2022, 02:50 PM
Remind me: The egg-shaped ones are legal for tournament play, while the acorn ones are illegal? Or was if the other way around? Either way, what a stupid way to design a set.

Acorn is illegal, and I concur that it's a poor design choice and implementation.

Zoid
09-20-2022, 03:22 PM
it's a poor design choice and implementation.

The one thing that is a constant at clowns of the coast.

rufus
09-20-2022, 03:23 PM
Another bad combo is that Saw in Half + Dualcaster Mage produces infinitely many 1/1 copies of Dualcaster Mage if there's an initial target for Saw In Half.

Barook
09-20-2022, 04:19 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/unf/cards/nearbyplanet.jpg

I hope this gets a legal, functional reprint at some point because it's actually a cool design.

H
09-20-2022, 04:34 PM
I hope this gets a legal, functional reprint at some point because it's actually a cool design.

I kind of doubt it, on the stream today, MaRo said something to the effect of that card ending up with the Acorn because it did "crazy things in Legacy" or something like that.

rufus
09-20-2022, 04:43 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/unf/cards/nearbyplanet.jpg

I hope this gets a legal, functional reprint at some point because it's actually a cool design.

Seems pretty OP for a fetchable land.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
09-20-2022, 04:44 PM
http://mythicspoiler.com/unf/cards/nearbyplanet.jpg

I hope this gets a legal, functional reprint at some point because it's actually a cool design.

It's a fetchable post land that makes all 5 colors and turns on all Tron lands. It can't be printed (for now).

Wrath of Pie
09-20-2022, 05:34 PM
"and all those Urza's ones" is inching closer to the reminder text (This works.)

Zoid
09-20-2022, 05:39 PM
"and all those Urza's ones" is inching closer to the reminder text (This works.)

(We have changed the rules to make this work, we just haven't figured how yet.)

Whoshim
09-20-2022, 06:21 PM
Is Magar of the Magic Strings the first to make a face-down card on the battlefield not a 2/2, or am I forgetting a card or cards?

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
09-20-2022, 06:30 PM
Is Magar of the Magic Strings the first to make a face-down card on the battlefield not a 2/2, or am I forgetting a card or cards?

DFCs, and there's a manifest card that adds counters but those don't really count.

Whoshim
09-20-2022, 06:48 PM
DFCs, and there's a manifest card that adds counters but those don't really count.

Speaking of DFCs and this new card, how does this new card work with them? I assume they intend Magar to mean that the card is just a 3/3, but are there rules for the back side of DFCs being face up?

A quick search on Scryfall seems to show 12 instants on the front side (all with lands on the back) and ~12 sorceries (all but one with lands on the back [1 with a creature]). (https://scryfall.com/search?q=is%3ADFC+%28t%3Ainstant+or+t%3Asorcery%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name)

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
09-20-2022, 06:51 PM
Speaking of DFCs and this new card, how does this new card work with them? I assume they intend Magar to mean that the card is just a 3/3, but are there rules for the back side of DFCs being face up?

A quick search on Scryfall seems to show 12 instants on the front side (all with lands on the back) and ~12 sorceries (all but one with lands on the back [1 with a creature]). (https://scryfall.com/search?q=is%3ADFC+%28t%3Ainstant+or+t%3Asorcery%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name)

I think they changed it to they work like normal cards.
The rule used to be that if you were going to have a card etb face down instead it wouldn't enter at all. (Mask players know the struggle!)

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
09-20-2022, 06:55 PM
712.10b If a player is instructed to put a modal double-faced card onto the battlefield and its front face isn’t a permanent card, the card stays in its current zone.

712.11. If an effect allows a player to cast a double-faced card as a face-down creature spell, or if a double-faced card enters the battlefield face down, it will have the characteristics given to it by the rule or effect that caused it to be face down. That card remains hidden, using a face-down substitute card (see rule 714) and/or opaque sleeves. See rule 708, “Face-Down Spells and Permanents.”

Barook
09-20-2022, 07:42 PM
I kind of doubt it, on the stream today, MaRo said something to the effect of that card ending up with the Acorn because it did "crazy things in Legacy" or something like that.
If WotC actually gave a single shit about Legacy, they would have updated the ban list a long time ago.

Besides, Maro is absolutely clueless about Legacy, so any comment about it from him has to be taken with a grain of salt.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
09-20-2022, 08:20 PM
If WotC actually gave a single shit about Legacy, they would have updated the ban list a long time ago.

Besides, Maro is absolutely clueless about Legacy, so any comment about it from him has to be taken with a grain of salt.

IDK, t1: Urza tower, t2, crack my fetch, tap tower for 3 to pay for it and have 2 mana left over seems like the kind of thing that shouldn't be in any format.

H
09-21-2022, 09:16 AM
If WotC actually gave a single shit about Legacy, they would have updated the ban list a long time ago.

Besides, Maro is absolutely clueless about Legacy, so any comment about it from him has to be taken with a grain of salt.

I mean, I agree and I agree. Just saying what he said. But, it doesn't seem far-fetched to me that they originally had the card down to be Eternal-legal, did some tiny amount of testing (or theory crafting) and just decided it was "too good."

The fact that they even bothered to look at it though, I guess is a minorly good sign. But as minor as could be, really.

rufus
09-21-2022, 09:33 AM
Is Magar of the Magic Strings the first to make a face-down card on the battlefield not a 2/2, or am I forgetting a card or cards?

There's Illusionary Mask which got changed a bunch of times. I'm not sure whether you want to count it or not.

Whoshim
09-21-2022, 07:40 PM
There's Illusionary Mask which got changed a bunch of times. I'm not sure whether you want to count it or not.

I am guessing they changed the online version's 0/1 creature to 2/2 in the oracle text to keep things in line with other face down cards. However, now that this new card makes face down 3/3s, should Illusionary Mask be changed to making 0/1 face down creatures?

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
09-21-2022, 07:44 PM
I am guessing they changed the online version's 0/1 creature to 2/2 in the oracle text to keep things in line with other face down cards. However, now that this new card makes face down 3/3s, should Illusionary Mask be changed to making 0/1 face down creatures?
I doubt it. The rules already allow for face down X/Ys they just default to 2/2 and if there's one thing mask doesn't need it's more text

rufus
09-27-2022, 10:09 AM
This seems like it has potential in storm decks:



Pair o' Dice Lost :3: :g: :g:

Instant

Roll two six-sided dice. Return any number of cards with total mana value X or less from your graveyard to your hand, where X is the total of those results. Exile Pair o’ Dice Lost.


Even a minimum roll of 2 could pull multiple mana rocks and Infernal Tutor, and ~97% of the time it rolls 3 or higher and can also return a 1 cost ritual.

Edit: It also doesn't target, so it can retrieve cards that entered the GY after it was put on the stack. In practice, it's probably a bad Ill-Gotten Gains, but it does have some potential advantages over that.

BenBleiweiss
09-28-2022, 12:51 PM
I'm kind of shocked that the two cards that might see Legacy play from Unfinity aren't really being discussed here:

https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/5/8/5819e3f3-da49-4003-88ce-f3b7bb495787.jpg?1664321065
https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/a/7/a76fa8d4-923d-4afc-ba47-ba10fc0fe46e.jpg?1664004690

Comet stands a very good chance to go infinite with any sort of card that manipulates die rolls. The Goblin is guaranteed minimum 4 mana generation given deck construction rules (Bring 10, get 3 at random), can be up to six, and combos extrordinarily well with blink and vial.

snugar_i
09-28-2022, 02:36 PM
Maybe I'm misreading the goblin, but it looks pretty weak to me, basically a Priest of Urabrask? It only counts the one sticker that you put with that instance of the ability, so no combo with blink... And I don't know much about the sticker sheets - are there actually stickers with all 6 vowels? Or even enough sheets with stickers that have 4 or more? And you need a new name sticker with enough vowels for each of these Goblin that you play...

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
09-28-2022, 02:50 PM
Maybe I'm misreading the goblin, but it looks pretty weak to me, basically a Priest of Urabrask? It only counts the one sticker that you put with that instance of the ability, so no combo with blink... And I don't know much about the sticker sheets - are there actually stickers with all 6 vowels? Or even enough sheets with stickers that have 4 or more? And you need a new name sticker with enough vowels for each of these Goblin that you play...

https://twitter.com/xJCloud/status/1574890786034012161?s=20&t=c_5oeXXEqJ4n5dPkzmmEEw
This tweet says that unlike priest this guy has a 70% chance of 5 mana which is +2. 30% of +3 and 6 mana.
So a 2/2 Seething Song.

BenBleiweiss
09-28-2022, 03:05 PM
https://twitter.com/xJCloud/status/1574890786034012161?s=20&t=c_5oeXXEqJ4n5dPkzmmEEw
This tweet says that unlike priest this guy has a 70% chance of 5 mana which is +2. 30% of +3 and 6 mana.
So a 2/2 Seething Song.

It's a 2/2 Seething Song that can be Vialed into Muxus or something stupid.

rufus
09-28-2022, 04:21 PM
...

Comet stands a very good chance to go infinite with any sort of card that manipulates die rolls.
...

[EDIT: This is incorrect because rolling a 6 gives +1, but rolling 4 or 5 give -2. So the chance has to be less than 1/3 rather than less than 1/2.]
The chance not to get 6 with no Barbarian Class is 5/6, with one, it's 25/36, with two, it's 125/216, and with three it's 625/1296 (which is barely under 50%).

I guess you could try putting it into a deck with Delina, Wild Mage and Pixie Guide, but I don't think the dice manipulation that's available is strong enough to make it legacy viable.

[EDIT: I misread the card, and you have to roll 6 2/3 rather than 1/2 of the time, so it takes 6 of the boosters, rather than 3 to have a non-zero chance of going infinite.

0: 5/6
1: 25/36
2: 125/216
3: 625/1296 (just under 1/2)
4: 3125/7776
5: 15625/46656 (this is just a hair over 1/3, so the expectation to go infinite is still 0.)
6:78125/279936

The chance to go infinite is different from the chance to do 20 damage in a turn, but I'm a bit too lazy to work it through right now.
]

Cire
09-28-2022, 08:30 PM
https://i.redd.it/xuxby7fx8fq91.png

This should be a +4/+4 for most creatures? Does Infect need another pump like this?

rufus
09-28-2022, 10:56 PM
Does this work:


Slight Malfunction :1::r:

Sorcery

Choose one —

* Destroy target artifact.

* Roll a six-side die. When you do, Slight Malfunction deals 1 damage to each of up to X target creatures, where X is the result.


The die roll to determine the number of targets is during resolution resolution, but targets have to be selected before that.

Zoid
09-28-2022, 11:10 PM
Does this work:


The number of targets is determined during resolution, but targets have to be selected before that.

There are a few of these kind of templates recently.
As far as I understand the dice result triggers the 2nd part as independent trigger and not as spell.
The "when you do" is the key wording creating the new trigger.

snugar_i
09-29-2022, 01:13 AM
https://i.redd.it/xuxby7fx8fq91.png

This should be a +4/+4 for most creatures? Does Infect need another pump like this?
Now the Phyrexian type update finally does something :-)
Glistener Elf: Creature — Phyrexian Elf Warrior = +4/+4
Blighted Agent: Creature — Phyrexian Human Rogue = +4/+4
Inkmoth Nexus: Land Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Blinkmoth = +5/+5

Whoshim
09-29-2022, 07:32 AM
Is there any way to make a Changeling not be a Brushwagg (while still retaining the other creature types)?

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
09-29-2022, 07:39 AM
Is there any way to make a Changeling not be a Brushwagg (while still retaining the other creature types)?

Yes:
There's cards that give a creature changeling
Werewolf Pack Leader has an ability which makes it not a human.
Artificial Evolution can make that instead say "not a Brushwagg"
So when you make the Pack Leader every type, cast evolution to change its ability, then activate that ability to make it not a brushwagg. Tada.

Whoshim
09-30-2022, 07:58 AM
Thanks! That is a lot of hoops to jump through, but it is nice to know that the potential exists.

rufus
10-05-2022, 08:55 PM
Is there a single document that goes over the rules for stickers, attractions and other rules stuff they introduced with this set somewhere, or are we supposed to piece it together from a bunch of articles?

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
10-05-2022, 09:01 PM
Is there a single document that goes over the rules for stickers, attractions and other rules stuff they introduced with this set somewhere, or are we supposed to piece it together from a bunch of articles?

Wait for the 7th for the release date and there will probably be a rules update for this and for 40k.

rufus
10-05-2022, 09:22 PM
So, looking through the set... I don't understand stickers or attractions well enough to comment on those.

These look like potentially interesting cards:

Saw in Half - seems like it has potential as a combo card with Dualcaster Mage or Naru Meha, Master Wizard. It also has synergy with evoke-like effects.
____ Goblin - there are plenty of decks that would take Seething Song at sorcery speed.
Ebiggen - Might do something in infect.
Pair o' Dice Lost - Returning all the 0 cost cards in a graveyard to hand can be a big deal
Comet, Stellar Pup - The abilities are strong, but I'm not sure that there's a deck that can deal with how unreliable it is.
Magar of the Magic Strings - Combo with extra turn and extra combat effects.

Reeplcheep
10-06-2022, 08:37 AM
Attractions aren’t strong enough, but dexterity games shouldn’t be legal in vintage or legacy just on principle.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
10-06-2022, 09:22 AM
Attractions aren’t strong enough, but dexterity games shouldn’t be legal in vintage or legacy just on principle.

Good news! They aren't.

Reeplcheep
10-06-2022, 09:24 AM
Where do you see that? Several of the cards that create attractions are legal, and several of the attractions are dexterity games.

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
10-06-2022, 10:11 AM
Where do you see that? Several of the cards that create attractions are legal, and several of the attractions are dexterity games.

On the cards. The manual dexterity attractions have acorns.

PirateKing
10-06-2022, 12:11 PM
In constructed formats, you show up with a separate Attraction deck, minimum 10 cards and all need to be unique.
Once a card instructs you to Open an Attraction, you put the top card of the Attraction deck into play.
When there is an Attraction in play, at the beginning of your first Main Phase, you roll a d6 and visit all attractions of that number.
There are 22 Legacy legal cards (https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=type%3Aattraction+legal%3Alegacy+set%3Aunf) to choose from.
They're all Artifacts and can be interacted with them as such, expect they go to a special graveyard when destroyed.

Bottom line I think is they'll see play in meme-able decks. I know there is a monowhite Prison deck that becomes the monarch and takes the initiative, and they were joking about also including cards to open attractions so there are as many outside the game components as possible. Once the novelty wears off I suspect they'll fade into forgettable nonsense like Horsemanship. "but they're effectivly unblockable!" okay.

EDIT there are 20 Legacy legal cards (https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28oracle%3AOpen+oracle%3AAttraction%29+-type%3Aattraction+legal%3Alegacy+set%3Aunf&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name) that Open an Attraction fyi

FourDogsinaHorseSuit
10-06-2022, 12:41 PM
What I'm saying is none of these cards are legacy legal.
https://scryfall.com/search?q=type%3Aattraction+has%3Adexterity+oracletag%3Adexterity&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name