Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

It's that time again! Here comes the spoilers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPusvBRRPjU
http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/kyodaisoulofkamigawa.html
Kyodai, Soul of Kamigawa
3W
Legendary Creature - Dragon Spirit
Flash

Flying

When Kyodai, Soul of Kamigawa enters the battlefield, another target permanent gains indestructible for as long as you control Kyodai.

WUBRG: Kyodai gets +5/+5 until end of turn.
http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/takenumaabandonedmire.html
Takenuma, Abandoned Mire
Legendary Land
T: Add B.

Channel - 3B, Discard Takenuma, Abandoned Mire: Mill three cards then return a creature or planeswalker card from your graveyard to your hand. This ability costs 1 less to activate for each legendary creature you control.
The new Planeswalker is Kaito it's UB

https://i.imgur.com/vH3fqYH.png

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://i.imgur.com/VG6HDO3.png
As the only surviving dragon he gets to be the only preview.
Don't worry, the dragon made new dragons and this is a cycle with the same "dies, choose one of two" templating

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://i.imgur.com/76tfbrm.png

The third rite is he ate the demon.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

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[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Previews start on the 27th.

Of January.
See you then.

[Zoid]

Can't wait.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/241/180/903.png

[Barook]

Not digging the Cyberpunk aesthetics in MtG - it feels so out of place.

I also wonder how playable Kaito is going to. In the best case scenario, it's going to be able to draw an extra card every turn, which is pretty decent at its price.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

I had no desire to return to Kamigawa again.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I had no desire to return to Kamigawa again.

Kamigawa kicked ass.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Not digging the Cyberpunk aesthetics in MtG - it feels so out of place.

I also wonder how playable Kaito is going to. In the best case scenario, it's going to be able to draw an extra card every turn, which is pretty decent at its price.
Considering how samey the art has been for a while: good.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/satoruumezawa.jpg

Not sure how good it is compared to other "cheating fatties into play" options since it skips attack triggers, but it's an interesting design, at least.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/satoruumezawa.jpg

Not sure how good it is compared to other "cheating fatties into play" options since it skips attack triggers, but it's an interesting design, at least.

Now with solitude it's not game over!

[TsumiBand]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/satoruumezawa.jpg

Not sure how good it is compared to other "cheating fatties into play" options since it skips attack triggers, but it's an interesting design, at least.

There's probably some Sneak Attack style deck that wants to stop playing Red in favor of this thing, maybe? Not sure what the cool targets are, all I can think of is Blightsteel Colossus, but there are probably cards worth playing that have better synergy with a UB deck (see: pitches to Force hurr)

[Zoid]

There's probably some Sneak Attack style deck that wants to stop playing Red in favor of this thing, maybe? Not sure what the cool targets are, all I can think of is Blightsteel Colossus, but there are probably cards worth playing that have better synergy with a UB deck (see: pitches to Force hurr)

You can still use Show&Tell and the demon of balance and card draw.
However this guy is slow, weak to removal and requires to be unblocked/something unblockable.
Not being able to use the spaghetti monster is also not helpful.

It's probably going to be a modern deck and absolutely obnoxious in every format on arena but for legacy, the color argument only has little weight compared to how many hoops you have to jump through to make it work.

I'm interested to see how they are going to argue an Umezawa on Kamigawa besides "distant relative" since the "main" Umezawas live now on Dominaria.

[Purple Blood]

Kind of a big miss that the minus ability on the ninja planeswalker is a nobo with ninjutsu.

[ronco]

Kind of a big miss that the minus ability on the ninja planeswalker is a nobo with ninjutsu.How so? It should still work as intended (giving an unblockable dude ensuring you can ninja something in). What am I missing?

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[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

How so? It should still work as intended (giving an unblockable dude ensuring you can ninja something in). What am I missing?

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Returning a token to your hand deletes the token from existence. I don't know how else you'd do a ninja Planeswalker though

[TsumiBand]

Returning a token to your hand deletes the token from existence. I don't know how else you'd do a ninja Planeswalker though

There are several walkers that become creatures, they could have had it become the 1/1 unblockable creature itself. It would be stupidly easy to reset its own loyalty which I expect is why they had it create tokens, but really there's nothing preventing existing walkers from doing this trick so you'd think if it were potent we'd already be doing it.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

There are several walkers that become creatures, they could have had it become the 1/1 unblockable creature itself. It would be stupidly easy to reset its own loyalty which I expect is why they had it create tokens, but really there's nothing preventing existing walkers from doing this trick so you'd think if it were potent we'd already be doing it.

Remind me how many animated walkers were legal with ninjutsu in standard?
Also animating a UB Walker is a clear color break

[Purple Blood]

Using the -2 to immediately ninjutsu the token and draw a card seems like more resources and more steps than simply using the +1. I guess I should be fair and at least admit the -2 synergizes with the +1.

Even so, they could have just made a different -2 ability like target creature phases out if they want to be on theme. Another option would be giving some bonus when the token leaves play so that you would actually want to ninjutsu it.

But whatever I'm starting to feel like the living embodiment of old man yells at a cloud meme at this point.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Also animating a UB Walker is a clear color break
Is it though? It seems like they just do whatever they want when it suits them

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=535003&type=card https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=522278&type=card https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=475927&type=card

[TsumiBand]

Remind me how many animated walkers were legal with ninjutsu in standard?
Also animating a UB Walker is a clear color break

I don't think it's about Standard, I'm saying some deck in some format would have broken some generalized "bounce your own walkers for value" combo if it meant anything.

I'm not convinced an animated UB walker is a color break but if it were, it's Blue, so it doesn't matter.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Is it though? It seems like they just do whatever they want when it suits them

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=535003&type=card https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=522278&type=card https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=475927&type=card

Whole lot of not UB Planeswalkers here that don't animate themselves...
Only Arlin can even attack here and that one is neither blue or black.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I don't think it's about Standard,

It's a combo that's never been possible in standard before so who knows how powerful it is.
In eternal formats it's never five because there's no PW worth animating.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Whole lot of not UB Planeswalkers here that don't animate themselves...
Only Arlin can even attack here and that one is neither blue or black.
I guess it's perspective then, cause I see all five colors represented (white being a given cause Gideon) on Planeswalkers with an ability that adds creature to the typeline

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I guess it's perspective then, cause I see all five colors represented (white being a given cause Gideon) on Planeswalkers with an ability that adds creature to the typeline

That's like saying white has direct damage because it can deal damage to attacking creatures.
It's pretty obvious that animating artifacts isn't the same thing. Or how grist not being a creature on the battlefield is the whole point here...
E: you're basically saying here that Gideon 0's are the same as turn to frog or ensoul artifact.

[TsumiBand]

Breaking the color pie is clearly Blue, this discussion is moot

[Ace/Homebrew]

animating a UB Walker is a clear color break
Can you support this assertion with any evidence other than it hasn't happened yet?

My position is that animating walkers doesn't have an established place in the color pie. WotC puts it where ever they feel like, mostly for flavor reasons. My evidence is the cards they printed across the 5 colors (or 4 since Grist isn't a creature on the battlefield) and that "animating planeswalkers" is absent from the information linked below from WotC.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/mechanical-color-pie-2021-10-18

[Zoid]

Can you support this assertion with any evidence other than it hasn't happened yet?

My position is that animating walkers doesn't have an established place in the color pie. WotC puts it where ever they feel like, mostly for flavor reasons. My evidence is the cards they printed across the 5 colors (or 4 since Grist isn't a creature on the battlefield) and that "animating planeswalkers" is absent from the information linked below from WotC.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/mechanical-color-pie-2021-10-18

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/257/846/77d.png

[Wrath of Pie]

Breaking the color pie is clearly Blue, this discussion is moot
Actually, every color can do it, it's just that blue makes the other colors forget about their sections so it just steals everything for itself.

[BirdsOfParadise]

< +2 >: Jace Darkvengeant becomes a 2/3. You may look an opponent in the eye and assert that you have an instant card in your hand. (You must keep a straight face.) If you do, double strike and haste become blue abilities. (This effect lasts indefinitely and for all of Magic.) Jace gains flying and a blue ability of your choice until end of turn. Untap whatever you want. (Untapping is blue.)

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Can you support this assertion with any evidence other than it hasn't happened yet?
[/URL]

I want you to think really really hard about what you're asking here and how you've already answered the question

[Wrath of Pie]

< +2 >: Jace Darkvengeant becomes a 2/3. You may look an opponent in the eye and assert that you have an instant card in your hand. (You must keep a straight face.) If you do, double strike and haste become blue abilities. (This effect lasts indefinitely and for all of Magic.) Jace gains flying and a blue ability of your choice until end of turn. Untap whatever you want. (Untapping is blue.)
You were doing so good, but you forgot blue is also the color of tapping.

[Zoid]

Apparently these are on mythicspoiler for a few days now:

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/thekamiwar.jpghttps://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/okagachimademanifest.jpg

So sagas and transformers are back.
Seems like both are evergreens now.

Also:


Discharge of Flame
XR
Instant
Discharge of Flame deals X damage to target creature or planeswalker. If you control a modified creature as you cast this spell, deal X plus 2 damage instead. (creatures that are equipped, enchanted, or have counters are modified)

More awkward lingo shortcuts.

[BirdsOfParadise]

You were doing so good, but you forgot blue is also the color of tapping.
< -6 >: You gain an emblem with "You may adjust the physical positions of cards on the battlefield you do not own or control as though you owned and controlled them" and "Whenever an opponent betrays impatience at their stuff being moved around the table, you may end the turn." (Calling a judge for slow play betrays impatience.)

[FTW]

Apparently these are on mythicspoiler for a few days now:

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/thekamiwar.jpghttps://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/okagachimademanifest.jpg

So sagas and transformers are back.
Seems like both are evergreens now.

Clever way to make Mythic fatties that can't be cheated into play. Make them the flip side of a noncreature card that has some delayed transform trigger (Saga Chapter 3).

Broken "attacks" trigger, can't be Sneak Attacked.

[Wrath of Pie]

< -6 >: You gain an emblem with "You may adjust the physical positions of cards on the battlefield you do not own or control as though you owned and controlled them" and "Whenever an opponent betrays impatience at their stuff being moved around the table, you may end the turn." (Calling a judge for slow play betrays impatience.)

You redeemed yourself.

[Cire]

https://i.redd.it/jci91ix07i981.jpg

Untapped white producing land and removal.

[alphastryk]

Land is interesting, you'd have to be mono white or close to it to risk wasteland exposure though - maybe death & taxes?

Cool that Weathered Wayfarer for example can now tutor an (uncounterable) removal spell

[Reeplcheep]

I think it compares pretty favourably to the 4th white producing utility land in D&T (karakas in 80 cards or canopy in 60 cards) as a 1 of.

[Barook]

Seems good, especially in D&T. Pretty sure it's going to see play in some quantity. Being uncounterable is an added bonus.

Makes you wonder if we get Channel variants of the former legendary lands in the other colors as well.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Seems good, especially in D&T. Pretty sure it's going to see play in some quantity. Being uncounterable is an added bonus.

Makes you wonder if we get Channel variants of the former legendary lands in the other colors as well.

We've already seen two, this and Take una (mill 3, then raise Dead)

[Ronald Deuce]

Wish they'd print goodies like that for black and red these days.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

Seems good, especially in D&T. Pretty sure it's going to see play in some quantity. Being uncounterable is an added bonus.

Makes you wonder if we get Channel variants of the former legendary lands in the other colors as well.



Presumably, but will they be any good? If they all do the opposite of what the originals do, then Okina could be good, and Mikokoro and Boseiju might be interesting. Minamo, Shizo, and Shinka...


On the other hand, one doesn't want the format broken again.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Presumably, but will they be any good? If they all do the opposite of what the originals do, then Okina could be good, and Mikokoro and Boseiju might be interesting. Minamo, Shizo, and Shinka...


On the other hand, one doesn't want the format broken again.
If you never fix the format then technically it's only broken once even if it only gets worse

[Barook]

We've already seen two, this and Take una (mill 3, then raise Dead)
I've completely forgotten about that one due to how bad it was, both as a card and as a scan.


Presumably, but will they be any good? If they all do the opposite of what the originals do, then Okina could be good, and Mikokoro and Boseiju might be interesting. Minamo, Shizo, and Shinka...
I don't see how fear and mill 3 + raise dead/PW are opposites of each other.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

I don't see how fear and mill 3 + raise dead/PW are opposites of each other.



Eiganjo preventing vs. dealing damage is an inversion.

[Cire]

Eiganjo preventing vs. dealing damage is an inversion.

Yes but the black one is Takenuma - which shows that they don't have to stick to the initial lands - and the abilities (mill and instant raise dead v. fear) don't have to be inversions of original lands.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

Yes but the black one is Takenuma - which shows that they don't have to stick to the initial lands - and the abilities (mill and instant raise dead v. fear) don't have to be inversions of original lands.


OK. I was working with just the information in the thread.

But... in the interest of disentangling things, per my hypothesis, the channel-land that gives whatever the opposite of fear is would have been a new Shizo, not whatever land they pick that gives black mana.

[FTW]

Yorion D&T should have room for 1. The downside is low and the upside of extra removal/flooding protection in an 80-card deck seems good.

With Thalia, Guardian of Thraben in play it costs as much as Swords to Plowshares for an uncounterable Gideon's Reproach.

Edit: looked at wrong page. Ninjad by 1000 cuts.

[rufus]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/satoruumezawa.jpg

Not sure how good it is compared to other "cheating fatties into play" options since it skips attack triggers, but it's an interesting design, at least.

It looks like ninjutsu can be done over and over, so there are silly infinites with, say, Worldgorger Dragon and Mistblade Shinobi replacing each other on the battlefield.

[TsumiBand]

It looks like ninjutsu can be done over and over, so there are silly infinites with, say, Worldgorger Dragon and Mistblade Shinobi replacing each other on the battlefield.

If I understand correctly your creatures are neither considered blocked nor unblocked until the opponent has a chance to declare blockers, so you can't just attack and ninja something in before passing priority. It's cute but it's super dependent on opponent allowing you to get away with it.

[PirateKing]

If I understand correctly your creatures are neither considered blocked nor unblocked until the opponent has a chance to declare blockers, so you can't just attack and ninja something in before passing priority. It's cute but it's super dependent on opponent allowing you to get away with it.

I'm not 100% on what the "combo" implication is, but as I understand it, with Satoru Umezawa in play, if you attack with a creature an it is declared unblocked, which happens in the declare blockers step (509.1h) then you can pay :2::u::b: and ninja anything into play. If you can float an extra :u: as rufus suggests, put into play Worldgorger Dragon, it's ability will trigger in declare blockers after the opportunity to declare new blockers, so it it tapped an attacking and unblocked. You can use the floating mana to ninja out Mistblade Shinobi, triggering Worldgorger's second ability, getting all your land back and allowing to reset the cycle. If you have :4::u::u::b::b: you can use Worldgorger & any other creature. All in the Declare Blockers step.

It's not exactly Animate Dead, but it does work.

[TsumiBand]

I'm not 100% on what the "combo" implication is, but as I understand it, with Satoru Umezawa in play, if you attack with a creature an it is declared unblocked, which happens in the declare blockers step (509.1h) then you can pay :2::u::b: and ninja anything into play. If you can float an extra :u: as rufus suggests, put into play Worldgorger Dragon, it's ability will trigger in declare blockers after the opportunity to declare new blockers, so it it tapped an attacking and unblocked. You can use the floating mana to ninja out Mistblade Shinobi, triggering Worldgorger's second ability, getting all your land back and allowing to reset the cycle. If you have :4::u::u::b::b: you can use Worldgorger & any other creature. All in the Declare Blockers step.

It's not exactly Animate Dead, but it does work.

I mean yeah the combo works, you just have to rely on your setup creature going unblocked. The best vessel is probably something like True-Name Nemesis for being cheap and protected from most kinds of disruption, or maybe even Invisible Stalker, but like... idk lol I don't feel great about this outside of kitchen table shenanigans

[PirateKing]

I mean yeah the combo works, you just have to rely on your setup creature going unblocked. The best vessel is probably something like True-Name Nemesis for being cheap and protected from most kinds of disruption, or maybe even Invisible Stalker, but like... idk lol I don't feel great about this outside of kitchen table shenanigans

Oh in measures of viability I agree 100%. Any combo that starts off with "I just need 8 mana and these two specific creatures in play" seems something to come out of EDH games, not Legacy. Like I said, it's not something that isn't (wasn't?) already done better by Animate Dead, but maybe there's some other Worldgorger-esque creature that when cheated into play suddenly opens up angles not otherwise available before now.

[Barook]

Oh in measures of viability I agree 100%. Any combo that starts off with "I just need 8 mana and these two specific creatures in play" seems something to come out of EDH games, not Legacy. Like I said, it's not something that isn't (wasn't?) already done better by Animate Dead, but maybe there's some other Worldgorger-esque creature that when cheated into play suddenly opens up angles not otherwise available before now.
If you want to go for the kill, then the already mentioned Blightsteel Colossus is probably your best bet. Since it's guaranteed to kill them if it isn't killed on the spot, it should be pretty effective; outside of StP/Solitude, post-board Force of Vigor and Petty Theft, there aren't many ways to get rid of an indestructible 12/12 in that situation. Treasure Mage is on-color and could tutor for it, but the whole ordeal still seems pretty mana-inefficient.

Unless you plan to play a UB Ninja deck with Yuriko, Saturo and a bunch of fatties (maybe even with S&T) to extract maximum value out of them, both with Yuriko nuking and Saturo cheating them into play.

[Zoid]

If you want to go for the kill, then the already mentioned Blightsteel Colossus is probably your best bet. Since it's guaranteed to kill them if it isn't killed on the spot, it should be pretty effective; outside of StP/Solitude, post-board Force of Vigor and Petty Theft, there aren't many ways to get rid of an indestructible 12/12 in that situation. Treasure Mage is on-color and could tutor for it, but the whole ordeal still seems pretty mana-inefficient.

Unless you plan to play a UB Ninja deck with Yuriko, Saturo and a bunch of fatties (maybe even with S&T) to extract maximum value out of them, both with Yuriko nuking and Saturo cheating them into play.

Value demon of drawing many cards is also still an option.

[rufus]

I mean yeah the combo works, you just have to rely on your setup creature going unblocked. The best vessel is probably something like True-Name Nemesis for being cheap and protected from most kinds of disruption, or maybe even Invisible Stalker, but like... idk lol I don't feel great about this outside of kitchen table shenanigans

Oh yeah, it was meant to be silly. The fact that ninjutsu only works with unblocked bodies and that it takes 3UUBB to cast and use Saturo Umezawa means that there are easier and more reliable ways to cheat fatties into play. Sneak Attack or Through the Breach pretty much plain better. (Just the mana cost by itself is prohibitive for legacy.)

Not that I think there's really any more potential for it to be competitive, but there was a deck posted here a long time ago that combined Corrupt Court Official and Ravenous Rats with Skullsnatcher and Mistblade Shinobi. Saturo could work with a concept like that as chrome mox / force of will fodder on the low end and as a way to turn ninjutsu into more value on the high end.

[Cire]

Two spoilers:

Light paws, Emperors voice 1W
Legendary creature - Fox advisor
Whenever an aura enters the battlefield under your control, if you cast it, you may search your library for an aura card with mana value less than or equal to that aura and with different name than each aura you control, then put that card onto the battlefield attached to Light paws, Emperor's voice, then shuffle.
2/2

Mukotai Soulripper1B
Artifact - Vehicle
Whenever Mukotai Soulripper attacks, you may sacrifice another artifact or creature. if you do put a +1/+1 counter on Mukotai Soulripper and it gains menance till end of turn.
Crew 2
4/3

The Vehicle is meh - but Light Paws is interesting. I'm wondering how it interacts with Daybreak Coronet? Do you need Light-paws to have another aura attached to it for the Daybreak Coronet to attach or does Light-Paw's ability automatically attach it?

[Fox]

Cast local enchant targeting anything -> resolve it -> do the fox's search clause -> put the tutored local enchant on fox.

[TsumiBand]

Two spoilers:

Light paws, Emperors voice 1W
Legendary creature - Fox advisor
Whenever an aura enters the battlefield under your control, if you cast it, you may search your library for an aura card with mana value less than or equal to that aura and with different name than each aura you control, then put that card onto the battlefield attached to Light paws, Emperor's voice, then shuffle.
2/2

Mukotai Soulripper1B
Artifact - Vehicle
Whenever Mukotai Soulripper attacks, you may sacrifice another artifact or creature. if you do put a +1/+1 counter on Mukotai Soulripper and it gains menance till end of turn.
Crew 2
4/3

The Vehicle is meh - but Light Paws is interesting. I'm wondering how it interacts with Daybreak Coronet? Do you need Light-paws to have another aura attached to it for the Daybreak Coronet to attach or does Light-Paw's ability automatically attach it?

AFAICT there has to be another Aura attached in order for Daybreak Coronet to stay attached. Fortunately there are a lot of 3 cmc Auras that look like natural companions for this card, ranging from kid shit like Armadillo Cloak/Unflinching Courage, to even bigger kid shit like Empyrial Armor. Actually, Invocation of Saint Traft might be kinda cool?

The 4 drops would have to be really hefty to be worth considering I think, and without going down too much of a Gatherer rabbit hole it's hard to find good 4-cost Auras that aren't redundant with Daybreak Coronet. Bear Umbra?

Too bad the card doesn't have ward or hexproof to really make a staunch motherfucker, otherwise it's got that whole "dies to everything" problem. Maybe it'll make an okay Brawl/EDH card.

[TsumiBand]

I'm wrong, the real power play is to hardcast Eldrazi Conscription, then search for and attach Phyresis. Brutal.

[Barook]

Between Spiritdancer and this, Flickering Ward could become an engine.

The removal problem could be handled by going heavy into blue with draw on hit auras like some Modern variants (https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4526994#online) do and then run some blue countermagic suit (which would also help against fast combo). However, what we can learn from the Modern variant is that Ragavan absolutely ruins the deck because he can easily steal your shit and use it against you.

[Cire]

Too bad the card doesn't have ward or hexproof to really make a staunch motherfucker, otherwise it's got that whole "dies to everything" problem. Maybe it'll make an okay Brawl/EDH card.

Can you do something like, in response to removal - Benevolent Blessing and Search up Daybreak for a 5/5 pro white vigilance, flying, lifelinker?

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Abundant Growth could also be an enabler/fixing.

Some good synergies but probably not good enough for a deck unless you want to go full arua tribal.

[Reeplcheep]

In addition to being an engine, flickering ward turns any cheap aura with flash into a protection spell.

So Tiny or Solid Footing

[TsumiBand]

Can you do something like, in response to removal - Benevolent Blessing and Search up Daybreak for a 5/5 pro white vigilance, flying, lifelinker?

Oh shit, it's less than or equal to. I missed that on my initial pass! That's pretty cool, idk if Blouses was a real deck ever and if it was it's still probably at its best when TNN is the Aura target since it obviates the removal question, but this also maybe makes some 1-drop Auras way more playable too. IIRC there's a white 1-drop Aura with Totem Armor that might come in handy against destroy attempts, if that's right then it's trivially easy to keep it safe from that kind of effect as long as you have an Aura with Flash in hand. Hmm lol

[Cire]

Lol - dumb and inconsequential rules question - can you cast and attach Weight of Underworld to Light-Paws search up Pattern of Rebirth and attach it to Light-Paws before it dies from the Weight of the Underworld and then search up Emrakul?

[HdH_Cthulhu]

but this really sounds like a convoluted mess of auras and now way to actually resolve Light paws, Emperors voice...

its a good card but the deck kis not there yet!

and light paws triggers so state based effects are checkt so it dies... then you search up pattern but its too late

[TsumiBand]

Lol - dumb and inconsequential rules question - can you cast and attach Weight of Underworld to Light-Paws search up Pattern of Rebirth and attach it to Light-Paws before it dies from the Weight of the Underworld and then search up Emrakul?

Pretty sure you can do it the other way around. Pattern of Rebirth can trigger the ability, then you search for WotU, attach it, let shit hit fan. You sure could put Emrakul into play that way. You sure could.

[Cire]

but this really sounds like a convoluted mess of auras and now way to actually resolve Light paws, Emperors voice...

its a good card but the deck kis not there yet!

and light paws triggers so state based effects are checkt so it dies... then you search up pattern but its too late

Makes sense - and just having fun with it. If you want to make it work - I think you just do Light-Paws and 7-8 2CMC Auras (that probably give it hexproof/shroud/protection) + Daybreak, and fill the rest of the deck with U/W good stuff. Maybe even a mono white deck like:

4 Light-Paws
4 Mother of Runes
4 Esper Sentinel
4 SFM

4 OPEN

4 STP

4 Benevolent Blessing
4 Lashknife

1 Daybreak Cornet

1 Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Kaldra Compleat

20 Plains
2 Karakas
2 Eiganjo, Seat of the Empire

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I would just go for something that gives haste, and attack.

[TsumiBand]

I would just go for something that gives haste, and attack.

Haste on Auras is awkward, since Auras and Haste both scream "play this the same turn you resolve the creature" you can't really scale up haste into the 3-4 cmc range without costing the effect out of viability. It may as well not have haste if you had to wait a turn to play the Aura.

In the 2cmc slot Infectious Bloodlust and Goblin War Paint stand out to me. GWP for stats, Bloodlust for putting another Aura in your hand if your creature is killed, so at least you can threaten to reset quickly.

1cmc has a couple of random cute effects. Mark of Fury is... kiiind of an engine? Are there are a bunch of 1cmc Auras to fetch turn after turn that would break Light-Paws? It also sounds hella slow.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Right, but you're getting a free aura, so why not grab a hasty one

[TsumiBand]

Right, but you're getting a free aura, so why not grab a hasty one

It may depend on which turn we're talking here, maybe a late-game Light Paws really wants you to put some fat pants on and then fetch something that grants haste. But early game I feel like you're probably playing Light Paws and then untapping before you get to do anything with it, so haste is gonna be redundant.

Most of the discussion around Light Paws so far was treating it as a companion to Daybreak Coronet, so any Auras I would have looked at were evaluated as the trigger to fetch that. Since you can never cast Daybreak Coronet as the first Aura, it's way better to cheat it in instead of cast it. It kind of feels like a trap though, right? I bet there are some simpler options that let you just play some kind of Voltron control game where LP just gets thiccc with lots of cheap Auras and then your disruption keeps it safe.

Also, though, it's hard to make a case for LP over SFM, so unless there's a truly sick Aura to fetch then this is still just cute kid shit.

If this deck even is any good, which it probably isn't, I still think the superior line is probably to play Invocation of Traft, fetch Daybreak Coronet, punch for 9 in the air, insert usual strawman argument about how playing Blue always means Force in hand, etc.

[Barook]

Thousand-Faced Shadow :u:
Creature - Human Ninja
Ninjutsu :2::u::u:
Flying
When Thousand-Faced Shadow enters the battlefield from your hand, if it's attacking, create a token that's a copy of another target attacking creature. The token enteres the battlefield tapped and attacking.
1/1
Pretty interesting design, as it's both an enabler and utility. Not sure if it can find room for any applications, though.

[Cire]

Ao, the Dawn Sky 3ww
Legendary Creature - Dragon Spirit
Flying, vigilance
When ~ dies, choose one:
Look at the top seven cards of your library. Put any number of nonland permanent cards with total mana value 4 or less from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Put two +1/+1 counters on each permanent you control that's a creature or a Vehicle.
5/4

All the dragons have been leaked, but this one seems like the most interesting one - feels like there's something silly you can do with it eggs style?

[Zoid]

Art from one of the "story" articles today on the mothership:

https://media.wizards.com/2022/images/daily/nsny7hbyww.jpg

So Jin-Gitaxias on Kamigawa.

Any bets where the rest of the gang will show up?

Also Tezzeret is around.
Not sure if he will get a card since we already have an UB walker.

[Wilkin]

Ao, the Dawn Sky 3ww
Legendary Creature - Dragon Spirit
Flying, vigilance
When ~ dies, choose one:
Look at the top seven cards of your library. Put any number of nonland permanent cards with total mana value 4 or less from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Put two +1/+1 counters on each permanent you control that's a creature or a Vehicle.
5/4

All the dragons have been leaked, but this one seems like the most interesting one - feels like there's something silly you can do with it eggs style?

Yeah for sure. Or something crazy. Certainly has the potential to be pretty nuts.

First 3 cards revealed.......Grindstone, Painter's Servant, Lion's Eye Diamond. Lol.

[Reeplcheep]

As a die trigger it is hard to compete with the rectors though. I think the chance of whiffing is worse than forcing yourself to put expensive enchantments/PWs in the deck.

[H]

This is probably more relevant to Vintage, but I've been waiting for them to print a card like this for years:
https://i.imgur.com/YCUOZZz.jpeg

[Reeplcheep]

Holy shit uncounterable loamable removal. This seems playable in lands, possibly even maindeckable over ghost quarter in some metas.

That ability cost is just insanely low compared to something like Hashep Oasis

[H]

Hard to judge this one, although it doesn't seem terrible off the top of my head:
https://i.imgur.com/SbW0qiW.png

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Phyrexian hybrid mana. Cuz regular phyrexian mana wasnt good enough :/

[H]

Phyrexian hybrid mana. Cuz regular phyrexian mana wasnt good enough :/

At least this sort has an actual downside though, since paying life is generally not really one.

[PirateKing]

"card with a basic land type" means duals are good to fetch, right? Dryad Arbor or Mistveil Plains are valid targets also?

[H]

"card with a basic land type" means duals are good to fetch, right? Dryad Arbor or Mistveil Plains are valid targets also?

I think so, yeah. Although it does mean that Wastes is not an option.

[Reeplcheep]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/michikosreignoftruth.jpg
http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/portraitofmichiko.jpg
An on-theme nettlecyst could be really good in Estrid’s invocation brews or white affinity decks

[PirateKing]

Man Tamiyo is a doozy.

Is the hybrid Phyrexian mana a component of the Compleated ability? All cards with Compleated will have a Phyrexian man in their cost? The Compleated ability affects loyalty, is this something only for Planeswalkers? Is this only for Tamiyo? Why make it an ability then?

Most importantly, why is the hybrid Phyrexian mana in between the colored mana cost and not just after the colorless cost, where it belongs? Unforgivable

[H]

Is the hybrid Phyrexian mana a component of the Compleated ability? All cards with Compleated will have a Phyrexian man in their cost? The Compleated ability affects loyalty, is this something only for Planeswalkers? Is this only for Tamiyo? Why make it an ability then?

Could be a "preview" for the next set?

Might be an ability so that it can have different text for different types of Permanents? Creatures might enter with -1/-1 counters, for example?

[TsumiBand]

https://i.imgflip.com/62xxsr.jpg

[Cire]

https://media.wizards.com/2021/neo/en_4ZUKS49BMw.png

Low ninjutsu to cheat a jitte into play?

Speaking of Jitte:

https://media.wizards.com/2021/neo/en_hZT5h73wgE.png
https://media.wizards.com/2021/neo/en_85OQ6CvkTR.png

Also excited for Shrine Tribal!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKH8v67XEAYMlR8?format=jpg&name=large

New Tezz

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKH-4IDWYAIBTPW?format=jpg&name=large

New Jin_gat

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKH_SvkXsAQ-bmS?format=jpg&name=large

[Begle1]

This is probably more relevant to Vintage, but I've been waiting for them to print a card like this for years:
https://i.imgur.com/YCUOZZz.jpeg

This is an instant staple, no?

First thought is either Lands or any sort of grindy Loam deck, or Stompy variant in conjunction with Opposition Agent, Ashiok or whatever other card hates on tutors nowadays. But why not put it in most decks that have space for green mana?

[Cire]

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/attachments/175/607/637789091877920588.jpg

Compare to Mirror Gallery and see how much Kamigawa has "grown up"

[Barook]

"card with a basic land type" means duals are good to fetch, right? Dryad Arbor or Mistveil Plains are valid targets also?
If the opponents can fetch duals, then it's less good than initially thought since it's basically guaranteed card disadvantage. Should still be pretty good, especially in decks with Loam.

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/secludedcourtyard.jpg

Upgraded Unclaimed Territory. I like it. It's also a huge boost to multicolored tribal decks since you can now run up to 12 tribal rainbow lands.

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/spiritedcompanion.jpg

White has an Elvish Visionary now, too.

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/tameshirealityarchitect.jpg

This one seems abusable. The value grind with Baubles could be insane. Assuming you have enough lands in play, it could also do some really stupid shit with LED (or Black Lotus in Vintage).

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/thewanderingemperor.jpg

That's the Wanderer? Kinda lame reveal.

Red Channel Land:

Sokenza, Origin of the Uprisers
Legendary Land
T: Add R.

Channel - discard Sokenzan, Origin of the Uprisers: Create two 1/1 colorless Spirit creature tokens. They gain haste until end of turn. This ability costs 1 less to activate for each legendary creature you control.

As for Tamiyo, how she still a Planeswalker after becoming a Phyrexian? Becoming one causes you to lose your spark. Or did WotC throw their established rules out of the window?


https://media.mtgsalvation.com/attachments/175/607/637789091877920588.jpg

Compare to Mirror Gallery and see how much Kamigawa has "grown up"
I like it. Seems much more playable now compared to Gallery. I wonder if there's any deck building potential with Leyline of Singularity.

[Fox]

This is probably more relevant to Vintage, but I've been waiting for them to print a card like this for years:
https://i.imgur.com/YCUOZZz.jpeg

Die Counterbalance die. Every time a card like this is printed, the entire format wins. A Decay that doesn't help enemy Counterbalance user stabilize (b/c backup mode is make mana, i.e. pile on pressure).

[Cire]

As for Tamiyo, how she still a Planeswalker after becoming a Phyrexian? Becoming one causes you to lose your spark. Or did WotC throw their established rules out of the window?.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/episode-4-break-2022-01-26

Seems that it has something to do with the Reality Chip

[Zoid]

Scrap Welder
2R
Creature - Goblin Artificer
T: Sacrifice an artifact with mana value X: Return target artifact card with mana value less than X from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste until end of turn.

This seems very interesting even though it's always less then.
Maybe some value with Hollow One in a self mill or combo with Metalwork Colossus and Corridor Monitor + something that makes tokens?

Boseiju is absolutely bonkers.
Insane police tree(?) and most likely another tier 0 card in all formats.
Interestingly this might allow for a return of green tempo decks like RUG as it helps immensely vs Chalice and 3Ball.
Also disposes of Urza's Sagas and on the play of Esper Sentinel.

In general it seems like this set suffers from the Kaldheim Syndrome in that is has too many themes to develop some of them properly.
Seems too much like "lets print everything casuals like".

[Wrath of Pie]

In general it seems like this set suffers from the Kaldheim Syndrome in that is has too many themes to develop some of them properly.
Seems too much like "lets print everything casuals like".
Welcome to Magic: the Gathering!

[Fox]

In general it seems like this set suffers from the Kaldheim Syndrome in that is has too many themes to develop some of them properly.

The problem with this statement is one word: Aurochs.

^any set without these doesn't know what too many themes is.

[malekith]

https://media.mtgsalvation.com/attachments/175/607/637789091877920588.jpg

Compare to Mirror Gallery and see how much Kamigawa has "grown up"

In summary: strictly better and power creep.

... my poor beautiful Mirror Gallery FOIL will remain obsolete :tongue:

[Fox]

In summary: strictly better and power creep.

... my poor beautiful Mirror Gallery FOIL will remain obsolete :tongue:

Add flash to Rainbow Efreet or riot. A lot of old cards could get a treatment like this, add a keyword here, shave some mana off there.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

As for Tamiyo, how she still a Planeswalker after becoming a Phyrexian? Becoming one causes you to lose your spark. Or did WotC throw their established rules out of the window?


Jin Gitaxis was on Kamigawa studying kami explicitly to get around this. Maro said in his blog

[Fox]

March of Otherwordly Light replaces Ending in all 1 and 2c decks with white.

[dte]

March of Otherwordly Light replaces Ending in all 1 and 2c decks with white.

What is it? I did not see it?

[PirateKing]

What is it? I did not see it?

X:w:
Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of white cards from your hand. This spell costs :2: less to cast for each card exiled this way.
Exile target artifact, creature, or enchantment with mana value X or less.

[Barook]

Here's the picture:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKMCGXrXIAI0iei?format=jpg&name=small

Interesting card. Costs effectively one mana more and can't hit planeswalkers, but can hit higher CMC targets and is an instant. Definitely worth testing, now that we know how good Prismatic Ending is.

Edit: It can also hit Saga, which is quite relevant. Or artifact lands, for the matter.

[Zoid]

March of Reckless Joy XR
Instant (Rare)
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of red cards from your hand. This spell costs {2} less for each card exiled this way.
Exile X cards from the top of your library. You may play up to two of them until your next turn.

I can see this being played in ruby storm.

[Barook]

Looks like the Marches are going to be a cycle. Black probably reanimates and blue either bounces or counters X or less. No idea about green, though.

[Reeplcheep]

Looks like the Marches are going to be a cycle. Black probably reanimates and blue either bounces or counters X or less. No idea about green, though.

I don’t think they would have the marches have the same effect as the channel lands. Non-random mind twist one time WOTC. I do think the blue one will be a Syncopate or Condescend variant

[Fox]

I can see this being played in ruby storm.

UW Dreadstill, DnT, BW Dead Guy.

There is also a very real consideration of this card with Chancellor gamers.

[Cire]

Kinda want to see a deck run 4 boseiju with ghost quarter, Leonin Arbiter and aven mindcensor. Throw in loam, stp, prismatic or this new white removal. Might be fun.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/invokecalamityp.jpg

Seething song into this, Cast Seething song again + idk bonus round. Now you getting started...

Midcombo with a bonus round already active 4 cards from your gy played 2x jeez thats already 8 spells, wont even need Past in Flames now.

[Fox]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/invokecalamityp.jpg

Seething song into this, Cast Seething song again + idk bonus round. Now you getting started...

Midcombo with a bonus round already active 4 cards from your gy played 2x jeez thats already 8 spells, wont even need Past in Flames now.

I mean let's be real, this is a card for dual land only decks to side in vs Blood Moon. :laugh:

[Ronald Deuce]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/invokecalamityp.jpg

Seething song into this, Cast Seething song again + idk bonus round. Now you getting started...

Midcombo with a bonus round already active 4 cards from your gy played 2x jeez thats already 8 spells, wont even need Past in Flames now.

You could also do a bunch of other stuff. Grapeshot plus Tendrils comes to mind.

[Barook]

https://i.redd.it/36ek1l7d5oe81.png

Tutorable with both SFM and Recruiter. Can't gain life, but should grow way faster than Ooze. That card looks pretty juicy. Is probably going to become a staple in D&T as tutor target, although I wouldn't be surprised if it's good enough to sneak in multiple copies in the 75.

Edit: Somebody on Discord also pointed out that you can equip it, swing, then unequip it to have a juicy blocker up. Pretty cool line.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Official magic people have come out and said that creatures with reconfigure will automatically stop being creatures when you go to attach them to stuff. So reconfigure will play nice with Puresteel Paladin

[Fox]

Official magic people have come out and said that creatures with reconfigure will automatically stop being creatures when you go to attach them to stuff. So reconfigure will play nice with Puresteel Paladin

All I heard there was Karn wish Lion Sash -> Karn wish Liquimetal -> Karn animate himself and put on the Sash. This is neoPacifism. :laugh:

---

Tempered in Solitude (1R enchant when dude attacks alone trigger Outpost Seige CA text) is problematic looking at a glance, but at least it's an improvement over design of Ragavan and DHA. I imagine it won't take standard long to understand red's Boseju-type land + this are a combo (land that turns into 2 attackers -> late land basically a guaranteed draw, possibly 2). It will be interesting to watch the prices on these.

Historic price interest in this concept is around $8 with Abbot of Keral Keep at time of spoil. (The card was a flop ofc b/c it needed like 4 mana to do anything with, which is not true of Tempered).

[Zoid]

Official magic people have come out and said that creatures with reconfigure will automatically stop being creatures when you go to attach them to stuff. So reconfigure will play nice with Puresteel Paladin

Isn't this exactly what's written in the last line of the reminder text for Reconfigure?

Anyway:

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/banishingslash.jpg

Not amazing but pretty neat.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Isn't this exactly what's written in the last line of the reminder text for Reconfigure?


If you were able to extrapolate that the reminder text on one activated ability applied to times it wasn't activated and with different activated abilities and in such a way that broke the existing rules: congrats!

[Zoid]

If you were able to extrapolate that the reminder text on one activated ability applied to times it wasn't activated and with different activated abilities and in such a way that broke the existing rules: congrats!

Or you could just explain what you mean...

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Or you could just explain what you mean...

There was no reason to believe that reconfigure's type changing effect applied at any time other than when you activated the reconfigure ability.

[PirateKing]

My understanding is in the classic examples, equipment that have been turned into creatures by like Karn or whatever, stop being equipped and fall off.
So Reconfigure resolves this issue by stating that while reconfigured, the permanent stops being a creature, so problem solved.

But what if Reconfigure permanents gain Equip or Attach through other means, say Puresteel Paladin. So now an Equipment Creature has Equip, does it stop being a creature? Reconfigure clearly states it doesn't, but without a rules update, Equip doesn't.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

My understanding is in the classic examples, equipment that have been turned into creatures by like Karn or whatever, stop being equipped and fall off.
So Reconfigure resolves this issue by stating that while reconfigured, the permanent stops being a creature, so problem solved.

But what if Reconfigure permanents gain Equip or Attach through other means, say Puresteel Paladin. So now an Equipment Creature has Equip, does it stop being a creature? Reconfigure clearly states it doesn't, but without a rules update, Equip doesn't.

That's what they posted.
Creatures with reconfigure have a built in rules magic to make them stop being creatures no matter how they're attempting to be attached to something

[Zoid]

There was no reason to believe that reconfigure's type changing effect applied at any time other than when you activated the reconfigure ability.


My understanding is in the classic examples, equipment that have been turned into creatures by like Karn or whatever, stop being equipped and fall off.
So Reconfigure resolves this issue by stating that while reconfigured, the permanent stops being a creature, so problem solved.

But what if Reconfigure permanents gain Equip or Attach through other means, say Puresteel Paladin. So now an Equipment Creature has Equip, does it stop being a creature? Reconfigure clearly states it doesn't, but without a rules update, Equip doesn't.


While attached, this isn’t a creature.

I kinda just expected that this applies in general, not just when triggered by reconfigure.


301.5c An Equipment that’s also a creature can’t equip a creature.

Equipment creatures which are still creatures can't equip due to a new Equip ability anything until they have been reconfigured once.
This is the whole issue here, isn't it?

It would have been much simpler to make these equipment living weapons which also create a 0/0 once they become unattached.
Now we can ask what happens if you mutate on a equipment creature, clone it and attach it to something which phases out while it bands with other nonsense keywords :tongue:

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

https://twitter.com/Dunkatog/status/1486777069316960256?t=1aGMYrgS6bEV9bjSfpmq0w&s=19

Yes, Sigarda's Aid works with reconfigure! Any effect that attaches a creature with reconfigure to another creature will cause it it to stop being a creature until it becomes unattached. This isn't technically a static ability, just part of the rules for reconfigure. #WotCstaff

[PirateKing]

It's cute you can do this, but sloppy with existing rules precedent. Reconfigure should have had as part of the ability "this stops being a creature for as long as it is equipped", and then copy paste the equip rules text.

Now it's just 301.5c, except...

[Zoid]

https://twitter.com/Dunkatog/status/1486777069316960256?t=1aGMYrgS6bEV9bjSfpmq0w&s=19

Ah ok, now I understand what you mean.

As usual, bending the rules just to make cute interactions work while throwing everything out the window and creating 1000 complex situations.


It's cute you can do this, but sloppy with existing rules precedent. Reconfigure should have had as part of the ability "this stops being a creature for as long as it is equipped", and then copy paste the equip rules text.

Now it's just 301.5c, except...

It's awkward as it attaches first and then stops being a creature as it shouldn't be able to attach in the first place.
It should read when attaching this, it stops being a creature until it's unattached.

Considering how truly awful their templating has become it's not surprise.

[Fox]

Blue channel land is 3U pick up an artifact, enchant, dude, or PW if Reddit is to be believed. Can target own perms..

Can't wait to bounce Lage under Standstill lol.

[TsumiBand]

It seems pretty normal to have no idea how something like Reconfigure works/doesn't work. Reminder text has a nasty habit of omitting key details so ultimately the only way to know exactly how a thing will work is to read the Comp Rules. Like there's nothing in Unearth's reminder text that lets you know you can use Flickerwisp or any similar "exile then return" effect to skirt the conditions of Unearth, you have to just know its implementation.

A lot of keyword abilities have some dumb shit under the hood making them work. The timing of when a Morph creature becomes a face-down 2/2 for 3 is really funky but there's not really another way to actually put a thing onto the stack in such a way that it doesn't technically give your opponent a chance to see it. Madness is... appropriately named if you're just trying to read its implementation.

[the Thin White Duke]

So after 25 years they thought they could make licids work? Turns out they aren't as smart as they thought?

[Barook]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKcH3c4X0AQPxcA?format=png&name=small

The rebel army has Gundams. How can the Emperor even compete?

[PirateKing]

Well with Mechtitan Core, now you can literally assemble your Vultron! hyaaaa

For real cards though, Hidetsugu Consumes All seems like it could wreak a lot of decks. Anything that's gone all in on Urza's Saga just gets bombed.
The creature seems like it's just do 20 damage before it does 10 once, so I'm not sure what's the point outside of EDH garbage.

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/hidetsuguconsumesall.jpghttps://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/vesseloftheallconsuming.jpg

[PirateKing]

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/realityheist.jpg

8cast is now 12cast? Dig Through Time is Affinity now. This will see play in all the Emry/Sai/Urza decks 100%

[TsumiBand]

Well with Mechtitan Core, now you can literally assemble your Vultron! hyaaaa

For real cards though, Hidetsugu Consumes All seems like it could wreak a lot of decks. Anything that's gone all in on Urza's Saga just gets bombed.
The creature seems like it's just do 20 damage before it does 10 once, so I'm not sure what's the point outside of EDH garbage.

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/hidetsuguconsumesall.jpghttps://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/vesseloftheallconsuming.jpg

Obviously it's Hatred combo material, /s


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKcH3c4X0AQPxcA?format=png&name=small

The rebel army has Gundams. How can the Emperor even compete?

I wish they'd grow balls and use the same "any target" language with things that add +1/+1 counters, they'll come up with some dumpy new permanent type that can attack some day and they'll have to print something specific to that as well and it's clunky af

[Fox]

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/realityheist.jpg

8cast is now 12cast? Dig Through Time is Affinity now. This will see play in all the Emry/Sai/Urza decks 100%

Counterpoint to that: Reverse Engineer

[TsumiBand]

Counterpoint to that: Reverse Engineer

With Improvise you have to tap your artifacts to reduce the cost of the spell though, this spell just plain costs less per artifact, it's Affinity

[Fox]

With Improvise you have to tap your artifacts to reduce the cost of the spell though, this spell just plain costs less per artifact, it's Affinity

What turn are we on in your example. If we start from turn 2 off double Seat opener your new spell costs 3UU. How is this so drastically better than tapping down 3 artifacts on turn 2? Remember you're saying there a two U sources and 5 artifacts in play - what 3 artifacts are you scared of tapping down to improvise?

[Cire]

My understanding is in the classic examples, equipment that have been turned into creatures by like Karn or whatever, stop being equipped and fall off.
So Reconfigure resolves this issue by stating that while reconfigured, the permanent stops being a creature, so problem solved.

But what if Reconfigure permanents gain Equip or Attach through other means, say Puresteel Paladin. So now an Equipment Creature has Equip, does it stop being a creature? Reconfigure clearly states it doesn't, but without a rules update, Equip doesn't.

Wait . . . how does reconfigure work with puresteel? Puresteel reduces equip costs - but reconfigure is not equip? Or does puresteel give your equipment a new equip ability where non existed before?

[TsumiBand]

What turn are we on in your example. If we start from turn 2 off double Seat opener your new spell costs 3UU. How is this so drastically better than tapping down 3 artifacts on turn 2? Remember you're saying there a two U sources and 5 artifacts in play - what 3 artifacts are you scared of tapping down to improvise?

I guess we could make up a bunch of strawman board states to illustrate why either card is superior but I'm not really interested in that, they just literally work differently and there's not much basis for comparison.

[Fox]

I guess we could make up a bunch of strawman board states to illustrate why either card is superior but I'm not really interested in that, they just literally work differently and there's not much basis for comparison.

No matter what you're talking about a boardstate with 2 blue sources tapping down and 5 artifacts in play to live the dream. That feels like a board that could have been casting Reverse Engineer since 2017.

Doesn't make much sense that people would never touch Artifact'y Ancestral, but would be all over Artifact'y Dig. It does make sense however that Echo/LED is in a league above either of these however.

[TsumiBand]

No matter what you're talking about a boardstate with 2 blue sources tapping down and 5 artifacts in play to live the dream. That feels like a board that could have been casting Reverse Engineer since 2017.

Doesn't make much sense that people would never touch Artifact'y Ancestral, but would be all over Artifact'y Dig. It does make sense however that Echo/LED is in a league above either of these however.

They're still too different to compare. If we forget about whatever weird board state we have that might affect or replace draws, best case scenario for one spell is "UU for the first 3 cards on top of your deck, at Sorcery speed" and the other is "UU for your choice of 2 artifacts out of 7 cards on top of your deck, at Instant speed". They're just different spells, that's all

[Jander78]

Blue channel land is 3U pick up an artifact, enchant, dude, or PW if Reddit is to be believed. Can target own perms..

Can't wait to bounce Lage under Standstill lol.
http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/otawaraheavenlycity.jpg
Otawara, Heavenly City
Legendary Land
T: Add U
Channel - 3U, Discard Otawara, Heavenly City: Return target artifact, creature, enchantment, or planeswalker to its owner's hand. This ability costs 1 less to activate for each legendary creature you control.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Wait . . . how does reconfigure work with puresteel? Puresteel reduces equip costs - but reconfigure is not equip? Or does puresteel give your equipment a new equip ability where non existed before?

Puresteel gives your equipments equip 0, it does not reduce costs

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/youarealreadydead.jpg

Nani!?

[Ronald Deuce]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/youarealreadydead.jpg

Nani!?

Needs more "aaAAAAAATATATATATATATA-"

I'd still call it a flavor win.

[Barook]

Needs more "aaAAAAAATATATATATATATA-"

I'd still call it a flavor win.
It's great for the meme factor, although a would have prefered a simple "What?" as flavor text.

[TsumiBand]

Just in time for Valentines Day 💝

Roses are red, violets are blue
Omae wa mou shindeiru

[PirateKing]

They needed some equipment that put counters on creatures whenever they were dealt combat damage, and then destroy all those creatures when the equipment was unequipped.
Totally useless in game play, but you can live out your all your Kenshin story lines :P

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/cloudsteelkirin.jpg

Not sure if it can find a home anywhere (Hammer decks would probably the best fit since they can skip the equipment cost), but building your own Platinum Angel at a lower cost sounds interesting, at the very least.

[Ronald Deuce]

Just in time for Valentines Day 💝

Roses are red, violets are blue
Omae wa mou shindeiru

This is perfect.

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/bladeoftheonip.jpg

This doesn't seem too shabby, honestly.

[rufus]

Wait . . . how does reconfigure work with puresteel? Puresteel reduces equip costs - but reconfigure is not equip? Or does puresteel give your equipment a new equip ability where non existed before?

They get the equip ability, but can't use it while they're creatures.



301.5c An Equipment that’s also a creature can’t equip a creature. ...

[rufus]

Discover the Impossible


Look at the top five cards of your library. Exile one of them face down and put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. You may cast the exiled card without paying its mana cost if it’s an instant spell with mana value 2 or less. If you don’t, put that card into your hand.

Seems like a candidate for a bad fork-bomb combo deck.

4 Discover the Impossible
2 Brain Freeze

4 Fork
4 Twincast
4 Reverberate
4 Split Decision
4 Increasing Vengeance

[PirateKing]

Yeah except this WOTC bozo on Twitter saying the opposite

Q: I have a follow up question. As the Reality Chip has Equipment typing, does that mean it can be equipped for 0 by Puresteel Paladin since Puresteel grants an alternative cost? Meanwhile, Bruenor Battlehammer's ability would not work (as it doesn't have an equip cost)?

A: You have interpreted both of those results correctly, although to be very technical Puresteel Paladin grants a separate equip ability, not an alternative cost. #WotCstaff

So I can get things forcing attachment like Sigarda's Aid & Auriok Windwalker skips all the Reconfigure stuff and only sees "while attached, this isn't a creature"
But something With Reconfigure & Equip at the same time, due to Puresteel Paladin or whatever, I agree with you rufus, 301.5c is unambiguous.
But someone tell WOTC

[rufus]

...
But someone tell WOTC

Sorry, I overlooked your comment. I wonder if someone busted out the crayons and is editing the rules so that twitter comment doesn't have to be walked back.

[PirateKing]

Yup, this is what TsumiBand and I were complaining about.

Yes, Sigarda's Aid works with reconfigure! Any effect that attaches a creature with reconfigure to another creature will cause it it to stop being a creature until it becomes unattached. This isn't technically a static ability, just part of the rules for reconfigure. #WotCstaff

Technically not a static ability, but oh boy we're just going to make it function as a de facto one!
So you're right, current reading of the rules... but lets see what the rules say later this month :rolleyes:

[TsumiBand]

Yup, this is what TsumiBand and I were complaining about.

Yes, Sigarda's Aid works with reconfigure! Any effect that attaches a creature with reconfigure to another creature will cause it it to stop being a creature until it becomes unattached. This isn't technically a static ability, just part of the rules for reconfigure. #WotCstaff

Technically not a static ability, but oh boy we're just going to make it function as a de facto one!
So you're right, current reading of the rules... but lets see what the rules say later this month :rolleyes:

Yeah, keywords sometimes stuff so much shit into one word that its execution belies its intention. I guarantee that most Magic players have no idea how Madness interacts with a card like Stifle (probably anyone actually reading this does, but no player would ever derive it from the keyword and reminder text).

[Zoid]

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/marchofburgeoninglife.jpg

This smells like it might have some uses.
Elves?

[Reeplcheep]

Not sure what the best target is, but instant speed dryad arbor seems pretty funny.

Less than rather than less than or equal probably makes it unplayable, since it means it will cost 3 mana most of the time.

[Barook]

Play Dreadnought, target it with March, grab another copy, sac one, keep one.

If you're willing to sacrifice two cards for the :2::g: cost, it could be done as early as T2.

Edit: That said, the card seems terrible. High costs, requiring a target AND fizzling if the target is removed.

[Reeplcheep]

Much better than anything I could come up with, but dumping 3 cards into something that dies to ending or meltdown or daze seems rough.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I'm just assuming that it's a typo and you don't have to invest cmc+2 mana.
It wouldn't be the first time

[TsumiBand]

Fixing GSZ so that it's almost unplayable, fucking sick I'll take 10 copies

The creature ETB tapped and you have to already control a copy of it to cast it, so your early game plays with this are incredibly draw-dependent and you can't search for a 1-of game ender like Craterhoof or whatever else. Hmmmm

[Barook]

Fixing GSZ so that it's almost unplayable, fucking sick I'll take 10 copies

The creature ETB tapped and you have to already control a copy of it to cast it, so your early game plays with this are incredibly draw-dependent and you can't search for a 1-of game ender like Craterhoof or whatever else. Hmmmm
I don't know why WotC is still keep trying to fix GSZ. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Fixing GSZ so that it's almost unplayable, fucking sick I'll take 10 copies

The creature ETB tapped and you have to already control a copy of it to cast it, so your early game plays with this are incredibly draw-dependent and you can't search for a 1-of game ender like Craterhoof or whatever else. Hmmmm
Now now be fair: you don't need to target something you control

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/mindlinkmech.jpg

Any cool interactions for this? Or are you just going to tap some card draw Ninjas for value?

Edit: Cold-Eyed Selkie works, I guess.

Edit 2: If you copy Mist-Syndicate Naga, would it create mech tokens or Naga tokens? :really:

[Cire]

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/mindlinkmech.jpg

Any cool interactions for this? Or are you just going to tap some card draw Ninjas for value?

Edit: Cold-Eyed Selkie works, I guess.

Edit 2: If you copy Mist-Syndicate Naga, would it create mech tokens or Naga tokens? :really:

I think any 1 or 2 cmc double striker?

[rufus]

marchofburgeoninglife.jpg

This smells like it might have some uses.
Elves?

Just play it with Spy Kit and 0 cc creatures. :laugh:

[TsumiBand]

Now now be fair: you don't need to target something you control

NURRRRRRRR

Amazing Elves vs Elves mirror tech, just search for your own Craterhoof when they play theirs and make sure you have more guys than they do, block and kill everything and blow them right out next turn

[Reeplcheep]

This new utility land seems very powerful in curses.

Roadside Reliquary
Land
{T}: Add {C}.
{2}, {T}, Sacrifice Roadside Reliquary: Draw a card if you control an artifact. Draw a card if you control an enchantment.
“Travelers who leave an offering many pass freely through the forest kami’s domain.”

We run 12-16 of each card type, depending on how you count saga and karn. Compared to something like Sea-Gate Wreckage it is much more efficient and easier to enable, even if it is not repeatable.

[Zoid]

This new utility land seems very powerful in curses.

Roadside Reliquary
Land
{T}: Add {C}.
{2}, {T}, Sacrifice Roadside Reliquary: Draw a card if you control an artifact. Draw a card if you control an enchantment.
“Travelers who leave an offering many pass freely through the forest kami’s domain.”

We run 12-16 of each card type, depending on how you count saga and karn. Compared to something like Sea-Gate Wreckage it is much more efficient and easier to enable, even if it is not repeatable.

Seems insane in loam decks.

Also:

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/containmentconstruct.jpg

Play LED, play this, profit?

[rufus]

Also:

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/containmentconstruct.jpg

Play LED, play this, profit?

Yeah, that seems pretty nutty when there are lots of cards that are balanced by discard like Breakthrough and Gamble. There are probably random discard piles with Burning Inquiry/Control of the Court/Goblin Lore that can abuse it too.

[Cire]

Seems insane in loam decks.

Also:

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/containmentconstruct.jpg

Play LED, play this, profit?

Channel Boseiju, destroy an opponents permanent, play Boseiju :tongue:

[Reeplcheep]

This seems like it breaks echo of eons decks (of blue or red varieties).

Letting you cast your whole hand off of LED, even after drawing your new hand, seems insane. You can’t respond to LED so it is mostly immune to creature removal. At least it isn’t true madness so it is vulnerable to graveyard hate. It is a trigger not a replacement also, so it does expose the Echo of eons to surgical.

[Barook]

There are probably lots of ways to abuse this. Even something like Faithless Looting becomes an insane value engine with it. Mox Diamond is also a cute interaction if you still have a land drop available after it hits play.

Edit:

Channel Boseiju, destroy an opponents permanent, play Boseiju :tongue:
Or Trade Routes. Or Seismic Assault/Molten Vortex. Plenty of ways to extract value from this.

Artificer's Intuition should also be able to do some dumb shit, especially when grabbing additional LED copies.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Finally, this time LED will be banned...

[Barook]

Finally, this time LED will be banned...
I wouldn't be surprised if it gets something banned down the line, most likely itself due to being an uncommon.

There's also an infinite combo kill somebody already figured out with Artificer's Intuition:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKrrD87UUA0-tQF?format=jpg&name=large

[Cire]

Not that broken given that it is a 2 card 7 mana combo? Sure it can be paid during different turns, but its not cheaper than existing two card combos.

[Zoid]

It's still a creature so dies_to_removal.maymay but it's still a very powerful effect.
If you have an LED already in play before you resolve it, you still get the effect if your opponent nukes it in response.
This seems like another Underworld Breach kind of thing where they try to see how far they can push things, even though these kind of things never lead to anything other than degenerate combos.
Looking up how much an LED costs nowadays I would be ok with it going now.
I'll miss it in Ichorid but whatever.

Btw, the blue march is pretty tame:

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/marchofswirlingmist.jpg

Might have some uses with Dreadnoughts but otherwise, meh which is actually nice for a change.

[Fox]

Btw, the blue march is pretty tame:

https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/marchofswirlingmist.jpg

Might have some uses with Dreadnoughts but otherwise, meh which is actually nice for a change.

Counterpoint: Vision Charm insta-kills DDFT and hard counters High Tide.

No need to re-evaluate this card until phasing out tokens exiles them and permanently banishes Kaldra to the shadow realm.

[Kage]

This seems to be the first set in aged where there 3-4 cycles and the none of the blue ones are unreasonably overpowered for some reason.

[PirateKing]

Well it's Kamigawa, they don't get good blue cards. It's just the rules.

[TsumiBand]

Nice to see that it's in Blue's color pie to suck once in a while, too bad that means it's encroaching on White again

[Final Fortune]

This is probably more relevant to Vintage, but I've been waiting for them to print a card like this for years:
https://i.imgur.com/YCUOZZz.jpeg

This card is a sleeper in Storm, you get 4 more G producing lands for your Veils and Naturalize out of the SB.

[UseLess]

Just wanting to point out that the Containment Construct is 'just' a better version of Conspiracy Theorist. The effect is not new and nobody ever considered playing that card as far as I'm aware. Certainly not with small incremental advantages that discard one card at a time. Please prove me wrong though, it'd be nice if the Construct (perhaps with additional redundancy in the form of the Theorist) can create a new kind of discard deck. Smallpox is also fun with it.

[Reeplcheep]

One is very different from all in a format with Breakthrough and Lion’s Eye Diamond

[rufus]

Just wanting to point out that the Containment Construct is 'just' a better version of Conspiracy Theorist. The effect is not new and nobody ever considered playing that card as far as I'm aware. Certainly not with small incremental advantages that discard one card at a time. Please prove me wrong though, it'd be nice if the Construct (perhaps with additional redundancy in the form of the Theorist) can create a new kind of discard deck. Smallpox is also fun with it.

I wonder whether there's a way to make them work with a repeating loot effect like Riddlesmith, Hazoret's Monument or Jeskai Ascendancy, but I doubt that something like that will ever be a tier deck in legacy.

[rufus]

Looking through the set made me wonder: when if Ogre-head helm is attached to a creature and that creature deals damage to an opponent. Do you sacrifice the creature or the helm , the creature for the ability?
Ogre-head helm


Equipped creature gets +2/+2.

Whenever Ogre-Head Helm or equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may sacrifice it. If you do, discard your hand, then draw three cards.

Reconfigure {3} ({3}: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn’t a creature.)

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Looking through the set made me wonder: when if Ogre-head helm is attached to a creature and that creature deals damage to an opponent. Do you sacrifice the creature or the helm, the creature for the ability?
Ogre-head helm

The creature dealing the damage
Which can be the helm.

[BenBleiweiss]

https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/5/c/5c8a8dbb-cba7-4e1d-8888-73ab6f4aff07.jpg?1547517549
+
https://i.redd.it/03rvxurbmgg81.png

Goes infinite on turn 2, since Swift Reconfiguration turns Devoted Druid into an artifact (so it can tap the turn it goes into play).

Thoughts?

[Barook]

Goes infinite on turn 2, since Swift Reconfiguration turns Devoted Druid into an artifact (so it can tap the turn it goes into play).

Thoughts?
That's assuming you have something like a T1 mana dork since the total combo costs :1::g::w:. And after that, you need a kill condition, with Ballista probably being the prime suspect (although GSZ would probably add some flexibility into the mix; Finale of Devastation one something protected would probably also work).

http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/universalsurveillance.jpg

Is it just me or can this card draw a stupid amount of cards in the right deck for the mere price of :u::u::u:?

[Ronald Deuce]

Regarding Neon Commander: Maybe it's the picture quality, maybe I'm reading into things too much, and maybe I'm just picking nits, but that set symbol looks uncomfortably similar to the symbol of the Imperial Rule Assistance Association.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Regarding Neon Commander: Maybe it's the picture quality, maybe I'm reading into things too much, and maybe I'm just picking nits, but that set symbol looks uncomfortably similar to the symbol of the Imperial Rule Assistance Association.

It's your eyes. The two are nothing alike

[Ronald Deuce]

It's your eyes. The two are nothing alike

Yeah, okay! ZING!

[Barook]

https://twitter.com/Jax_mtg/status/1490967709466517509

This Swift combo list looks interesting.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Yeah, okay! ZING!

Well one is an origami shield and the other is the rising sun over a bird.

[rufus]

...

Is it just me or can this card draw a stupid amount of cards in the right deck for the mere price of :u::u::u:?

Maybe there's a combo interaction, but I think that's mostly going to be win-more. Paradoxical Outcome is also likely to be better in many scenarios.