4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons

[silkster]

I don't think GSM ever gets to block. Any creature vialed in will be bounced before blockers. Evoked Endurance dies immediately to itself.

But cat tokens being legendary is a good point. I think this means that the race is a bit tighter, and GSM will definitely get some attacks in while Karakas is clearing out blockers. I still think the cats do 3 dmg and gain 2 while Endurance or Bombardiers only do 2 or 3. This does mean that the ocelot is exposed to a thrown vial, but then the other cats have a clear path.

[FTW]

There's no defense against throwing Endurance @ Ocelot & getting Endurance back. Throwing/flinging, not blocking.

See the line I posted for tirrit's match. GSM can play around Karakas to always get a Bombardiers attack.

EOT Vial in Bombardiers
Untap
If Karakas bounces before attack: Vial Bombardiers again, attack, evoke Endurance & fling it at Ocelot.
If Karakas bounces after attack: Vial Endurance & fling it at Ocelot.

Either way Ocelot dies, Vial stays, Endurance is redrawn.

Then it's Sacred Cat + 1 token vs Bombardiers + Endurance.

The question is then if there are more tactics to blast the other creatures, or if Karakas is enough to prevent that & let the cats safely attack & reduce it to a race.

Complicated match. Maybe dte has worked through the math?

[silkster]

Oh, evoke it in to throw it. Yeah, I totally missed that.

Against that, there's the line to hold up Karakas to defensively bounce the ocelot. That means that Karakas won't be used that turn cycle, which lets vial get ahead in creatures. Then again, if Bombardiers have to be attacking, maybe the other two cats stay home to block.

But also Karakas can't be used offensively to push through attackers and to bounce the ocelot.

Okay, I think I see how the cats can't win.

[tirrit]

There's no defense against throwing Endurance @ Ocelot & getting Endurance back. Throwing/flinging, not blocking.

See the line I posted for tirrit's match. GSM can play around Karakas to always get a Bombardiers attack.

EOT Vial in Bombardiers
Untap
If Karakas bounces before attack: Vial Bombardiers again, attack, evoke Endurance & fling it at Ocelot.
If Karakas bounces after attack: Vial Endurance & fling it at Ocelot.

Either way Ocelot dies, Vial stays, Endurance is redrawn.

Then it's Sacred Cat + 1 token vs Bombardiers + Endurance.

The question is then if there are more tactics to blast the other creatures, or if Karakas is enough to prevent that & let the cats safely attack & reduce it to a race.

Complicated match. Maybe dte has worked through the math?

Evoke endurance is neat, and it does kill the ocelot, but it's not repeatable, so from there cats attack, then karakas bounces goblins before attacks to prevent the endurance trick. If goblins get vialed in to attack, and sac vial to kill the token, the last cat will win after karakas bounces everything. If goblins attack and don't sac, then dte takes 2, but he untaps and attacks for 2 and gains 1. Then on goblins turn they are faced with the exact same scenario and they are losing the race. If goblins don't get vialed in, then dte attacks on his turn. If a creature is vialed in, it will get bounced before blocks. Then on goblins next turn they have vial available and karakas is tapped, so they can attack for 2 if they want but again they are losing the race. If they don't attack for 2, then they're in the same spot where they can't block because karakas will bounce before blocks.

I'm pretty sure cats win WW

[dte]

Reeplcheep: Ratchet Bomb, City of Traitors, Patchwork Automaton, Drillworks Mole, comment: Robots
0-6, well done

dte: Sacred cat, Ocelot pride, Karakas , Leyline of Singularity, comment: Cats smash!
Me. I was so sure black would be overrepresented with force of despair / unmask, thoughtseize, etc. Turned out no one played it. And rightly so, it wouldn't have been great.

Wrath of Pie: Saprazzan Cove, Temporal Adept, Phantasmal Dreadmaw, Phantasmal Dragon, comment:
6-0
6

Tirrit: Leyline of Singularity, Karakas, The Millennium Calendar, Curse of Silence, comment: White Thoughtseize
0-6, the better version of leyline/karakas

Silkster: Dwarven Hold, Shivan Gorge, Maze of Ith, Maze of Ith, comment: HELIOS makes Gorge too fast
0-6, I regret my icatian javelineer here!

GoblinSmashmaster: Aether Vial, Broadside Bombardiers, Endurance, Chancellor of the Tangle, comment:
6-0 I think? I read the arguments, and Tirrit's one made sense to me. But before reading it, FTW's one did too :/ I don't have the brain capacity right now to come up with anything better. I just thought that if I karakas anything on sight (no wait or defensive, as soon as something I don't see options for gob except the one shot kill of ocelot, and then losing the race.
12

FTW: Leyline of Singularity, Karakas, Cenn's Tactician, Force of Will, comment:
2-2, didn't expect we would be so many on the leyline/karakas side.

14 points if it is WW vs gob.

[silkster]

I read tirrit's reply last night and I was unconvinced. Then I thought about it a bit and I was convinced. This morning I went back when I realized that vialed in Endurance could be thrown repeatedly. This afternoon I realized that vial never has enough time.

If Karakas is used aggressively every time, then GSM has to use vial to play the haste guy to get attacks. One Endurance throw means it's Bombardiers racing against Sacred Cat and the cat token. Which is what Tirrit said, but I need to think through it and rephrase it for myself to understand it.

We can continue to discuss this matchup, but regardless Reeplcheep is so far ahead that this result doesn't affect the next round. The last two decks are banned and also the power 7. I won't be able to post lists on Tuesday. I'm going to say the deadline is Wednesday at the same time, but I'm also not completely sure when I'll be able to post that day.

[tirrit]

Show and Tell & Unburial Rites were on my radar, but most builds lose to Karakas, and the ones that dodge Karakas lose to Force. Show and Tell Progenitus is also surprisingly bad against 8+ 1/1 tokens.




I was thinking about this recently, and I don't see why progenitus is bad vs tokens. It's unblockable and kills in 2 hits, right? This means it beats 10 or fewer 1/1s on the draw (since it can block one), or 19 or fewer 1/1s on the play, I think. You're right that it loses to FoW though - another reason I didn't want to play it. Also if I'm being honest, I didn't even think about storming off with tokens. Seems like a pretty good idea for that round, though!

[FTW]

dte concluded 6-0, GSM hasn't disagreed, and tirrit's reply made sense to me.


I was thinking about this recently, and I don't see why progenitus is bad vs tokens. It's unblockable and kills in 2 hits, right? This means it beats 10 or fewer 1/1s on the draw (since it can block one), or 19 or fewer 1/1s on the play, I think. You're right that it loses to FoW though - another reason I didn't want to play it. Also if I'm being honest, I didn't even think about storming off with tokens. Seems like a pretty good idea for that round, though!

Good point, it needs at least Empty for 12 to win. Eldrazi are usually better vs tokens by annihilating, but Progentius still races 8 1/1s. With Lotus banned, I don't know if it's still even possible to make a very large number of tokens on turn 1. Maybe that's why GSM didn't play Empty. I was just surprised not to see tokens vs Tabernacle.

[dte]

Between 3 Lleyline of Singularity and ratchet bomb out of 7 decks, tokens were waited for.

On Empty, 8 gobs T1 are easy, more seem complicated. You could also do 3 prowess 4/4 dragons.

[FTW]

Reeplcheep is so far ahead that this result doesn't affect the next round. The last two decks are banned and also the power 7. I won't be able to post lists on Tuesday. I'm going to say the deadline is Wednesday at the same time, but I'm also not completely sure when I'll be able to post that day.

Did the round close?

[dte]

Did the round close?

I think Thursday is after Wednesday?

[FTW]

I think Thursday is after Wednesday?

Thursday is before next Wednesday though, and silkster never posted a salted hash. I now wonder if the round was meant for next week, or if it's just a busy schedule and the round is this week.

[dte]

Thursday is before next Wednesday though, and silkster never posted a salted hash. I now wonder if the round was meant for next week, or if it's just a busy schedule and the round is this week.

I understood it at this week but uncertain as to when because of busyness, but might be wrong.

[tirrit]

I understood it at this week but uncertain as to when because of busyness, but might be wrong.

yeah the deadline was meant to be yesterday but he is very busy right now

[silkster]

Indeed busy, but I realize that posting this should only take a moment. I don't have the mental capacity to check legalities though, but I'm sure it's fine and we drop the bottom two scores in the season anyway. Scores coming up.

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[silkster]

Round 9

dte: kessig wolf run, fungal reaches, tower of the magistrate, Dryad arbor, comment: Luddite
Reeplcheep: Inkmoth Nexus, Ancient Den, Glimmervoid, Rancor, comment: Ink-redibly fast
Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Wild Evocation, Furnace Dragon, comment:
Tirrit: Memnite, Lotus Petal, Vesuva, Caustic Wasps, comment: Here's hoping for no charge/sol lands!
FTW: Teferi's Isle, Gut Shot, Tomb Trawler, Chronomaton, comment: Slow copy
GoblinSmashmaster: Dwarven Hold, Hearth Charm, Flamebreak, Goblin Cannon, comment: Bazaar banned!
Silkster: Saltcrusted Steppe, Mishra's Foundry, Engineered Explosives, Isolate, comment: floor is so hard to beat!

[dte]

dte: kessig wolf run, fungal reaches, tower of the magistrate, Dryad arbor, comment: Luddite
Me

Reeplcheep: Inkmoth Nexus, Ancient Den, Glimmervoid, Rancor, comment: Ink-redibly fast
6-0. Faster than me!
6

Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Wild Evocation, Furnace Dragon, comment:
6-0. Dragon》dryad
12

Tirrit: Memnite, Lotus Petal, Vesuva, Caustic Wasps, comment: Here's hoping for no charge/sol lands!
6-0. I have no out vs vesuva copying arbor.
18

FTW: Teferi's Isle, Gut Shot, Tomb Trawler, Chronomaton, comment: Slow copy
6-0, gut shot 》 arbor
24

GoblinSmashmaster: Dwarven Hold, Hearth Charm, Flamebreak, Goblin Cannon, comment: Bazaar banned!
6-0, flamebreak 》 arbor
30

Silkster: Saltcrusted Steppe, Mishra's Foundry, Engineered Explosives, Isolate, comment: floor is so hard to beat!
0-6, tower plus arbor beats mishra's foundry
30

I guess my best run this season, powered by not thinkink of a single other worse deck to switch to.

[FTW]

I missed the memo on 1/1 lands being the hack this round, though that makes me glad I didn't run Powder Keg!

My first thought was Null Rod, but then I thought too many players would be on artifact threats, so I played one too. Null Rod also goes 50-50 here.

dte: kessig wolf run, fungal reaches, tower of the magistrate, Dryad arbor, comment: Luddite
Gut Shot stops you WW 0-6

Reeplcheep: Inkmoth Nexus, Ancient Den, Glimmervoid, Rancor, comment: Ink-redibly fast
Gut Shot stops you WW 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Wild Evocation, Furnace Dragon, comment:
Dragon is much faster LL 6-0

Tirrit: Memnite, Lotus Petal, Vesuva, Caustic Wasps, comment: Here's hoping for no charge/sol lands!
You can cast Wasps off my LolLand, but Gut Shot stops it WW 0-6

GoblinSmashmaster: Dwarven Hold, Hearth Charm, Flamebreak, Goblin Cannon, comment: Bazaar banned!
Hearth Charm kills my Wall and Flamebreak kills Chrono before it can grow to 4/4 (turn 9), then I can't stop the Goblin Cannon.
LL 6-0

Silkster: Saltcrusted Steppe, Mishra's Foundry, Engineered Explosives, Isolate, comment: floor is so hard to beat!
Isolate exiles Chrono, EE kills my Wall, then your 2/2 fatty laughs at GutShot LL 6-0

18 points (6 wins, 6 loss)

[tirrit]

Tirrit: Memnite, Lotus Petal, Vesuva, Caustic Wasps, comment: Here's hoping for no charge/sol lands!
I was pretty off on what was going to happen this round. I thought the obvious threat everyone would play was chronomaton, because drillworks mole is the same card in terms of how you can interact with it with removal/racing etc. This means that everyone has to come with a plan to beat chronomaton. I first thought that the only way to beat the chronomaton deck would be to play a racing threat that hopefully got hit by the removal the chronomaton deck had to play to beat the floor deck. Then I thought of vesuva, which is a way to attack the difference between chronomaton and drillworks mole: chronomaton decks (I thought) will play a land that taps for just one mana! Well, as it turns out only one person is playing chronomaton and it's off a land that taps for 2! Lmao


dte: kessig wolf run, fungal reaches, tower of the magistrate, Dryad arbor, comment: Luddite
You're right that this is 6-0, but it's actually very close: I can only attack with one creature at a time: memnite before dryad comes down and dryad afterward (with a 1 turn break between while dryad has summoning sickness/is tapped). When you are on the play, you can play dryad arbor on turn 21 to block my lethal attack with memnite. You have 19 charge counters and you charge to 20 on this turn. I don't attack because you can block and give protection. I play a tapped vesuva copy of dryad arbor. On your turn you attack me for 20 trample damage (kessig giving 19 power from 20 mana from the charge land plus 1 from tower) and I chump with memnite to survive at 1, then kill you with dryad arbor on the following turn. It's so close! Sweet deck. 0-6

Reeplcheep: Inkmoth Nexus, Ancient Den, Glimmervoid, Rancor, comment: Ink-redibly fast
I can vesuva your inkmoth nexus and threaten to block once (if you wait on the inkmoth for a turn you can get in once for 3 poison while my inkmoth is tapped, but then you'd only trample over for 2 subsequently), so you don't attack, you block memnite and then I can only ever attack once with inkmoth copy so it's a draw. 2-2

Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Wild Evocation, Furnace Dragon, comment:
dragon smashes me 6-0

FTW: Teferi's Isle, Gut Shot, Tomb Trawler, Chronomaton, comment: Slow copy
gut shot saves me from scary sol land. 6-0

GoblinSmashmaster: Dwarven Hold, Hearth Charm, Flamebreak, Goblin Cannon, comment: Bazaar banned!
dwarven hold allows me to cast caustic wasps eventually, which you can't answer with anything but goblin cannon. This forces you to cast cannon early to kill wasps, so we draw. 2-2

Silkster: Saltcrusted Steppe, Mishra's Foundry, Engineered Explosives, Isolate, comment: floor is so hard to beat!
your EE kills memnite (also I guess you can just threaten to block it). I can't charge salt crusted steppe if I copy it, so caustic wasps is off the table. I can vesuva your mishra's foundry, but I don't have the 2 mana to ever turn it into a creature. 6-0

22/36

Turns out I would have fared better just playing my chronomaton plus artifact hate deck (chronomaton, crush, vandalblast, artifact land) but I was never actually going to do that because it's so boring!

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Wild Evocation, Furnace Dragon, comment:

dte: kessig wolf run, fungal reaches, tower of the magistrate, Dryad arbor, comment: Luddite - WW
Reeplcheep: Inkmoth Nexus, Ancient Den, Glimmervoid, Rancor, comment: Ink-redibly fast - WW
Tirrit: Memnite, Lotus Petal, Vesuva, Caustic Wasps, comment: Here's hoping for no charge/sol lands! - WW
FTW: Teferi's Isle, Gut Shot, Tomb Trawler, Chronomaton, comment: Slow copy - WW
GoblinSmashmaster: Dwarven Hold, Hearth Charm, Flamebreak, Goblin Cannon, comment: Bazaar banned! - WW
Silkster: Saltcrusted Steppe, Mishra's Foundry, Engineered Explosives, Isolate, comment: floor is so hard to beat! - WW

It's official, I am really bad at this format.

[silkster]

dte: Kessig Wolf Run, Fungal reaches, Tower of the Magistrate, Dryad arbor, comment: Luddite
6-0, unblockable Arbor too fast

Reeplcheep: Inkmoth Nexus, Ancient Den, Glimmervoid, Rancor, comment: Ink-redibly fast
6-0, poison too fast

Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Wild Evocation, Furnace Dragon, comment:
0-6, EE on 0 catches the Blooms, but I think Ratchet Bomb on 0 also catches the Blooms, so maybe not legal?

Tirrit: Memnite, Lotus Petal, Vesuva, Caustic Wasps, comment: Here's hoping for no charge/sol lands!
0-6, Vesuva is very cute

FTW: Teferi's Isle, Gut Shot, Tomb Trawler, Chronomaton, comment: Slow copy
0-6, you played a 2-drop and a 1-drop :( If only I'd played Blinkmoth Nexus.

GoblinSmashmaster: Dwarven Hold, Hearth Charm, Flamebreak, Goblin Cannon, comment: Bazaar banned!
2-2, Dwarven Hold is bad, y'all. I considered Stalking Stones to be vulnerable to Dwarven Hold with Hearth Charm or Molten Frame, but I didn't like that it lost the mirror.
Wait, I don't need my creature to die to Hearth Charm. You can just ignore it and kill me with 44 mana on turn 46, cause I don't kill until turn 61.
6-0
Double wait. I attack every third turn, but it's every third turn for 2.
2-2

Silkster: Saltcrusted Steppe, Mishra's Foundry, Engineered Explosives, Isolate, comment: floor is so hard to beat!

The perfect 50/50 again!

This week was tough. I I had some time to think about it early, and I pretty quickly came to this deck after considering a turn-1 4/4 artifact flyer.


Now is probably a good time to reflect on the season. I was quite happy that we had powerful floor decks and mediumly powerful ceiling decks. Each round I felt like I had room to brew and that I didn't know what other people would play. I was worried that there would be too many copycats, but so many effects are nearly unique, and the restriction that you had to lose OTP or win OTD meant that you had to be a step away from the floor/ceiling.

I wonder where we want to go next. I realize now that the ceiling/floor structure can replace banathon, so we could rehash old banathon seasons as ceiling/floor seasons, like pauper or creatures+lands only.

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Manland"

dte: kessig wolf run, fungal reaches, tower of the magistrate, Dryad arbor, comment: Luddite
Goblin blast! :( 0-6

Reeplcheep: Inkmoth Nexus, Ancient Den, Glimmervoid, Rancor, comment: Ink-redibly fast
Charm 2-2

Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Wild Evocation, Furnace Dragon, comment:
Dragon smash 6-0

Tirrit: Memnite, Lotus Petal, Vesuva, Caustic Wasps, comment: Here's hoping for no charge/sol lands!
Pesky wasps 2-2

FTW: Teferi's Isle, Gut Shot, Tomb Trawler, Chronomaton, comment: Slow copy
Goblin blast! :( 0-6

GoblinSmashmaster: Dwarven Hold, Hearth Charm, Flamebreak, Goblin Cannon, comment: Bazaar banned!
That's me, not playing a 1/1 goblin

Silkster: Saltcrusted Steppe, Mishra's Foundry, Engineered Explosives, Isolate, comment: floor is so hard to beat!
Charm 2-2

12 goblin points

[silkster]

Reeplcheep: Inkmoth Nexus, Ancient Den, Glimmervoid, Rancor, comment: Ink-redibly fast
Inkmoth smash 6-0

GoblinSmashmaster: Dwarven Hold, Hearth Charm, Flamebreak, Goblin Cannon, comment: Bazaar banned!
That's me, not playing a 1/1 goblin

Silkster: Saltcrusted Steppe, Mishra's Foundry, Engineered Explosives, Isolate, comment: floor is so hard to beat!
Goblin blast! :( 0-6


My mistake. My clock is ~30 turns, not ~60, so you have to hold up mana for Hearth Charm at some point.

On the other hand, your Hearth Charm also catches Reeplcheep's Inkmoth, so you play defense there and draw too.

It's a good thing you chose that truly terrible Dwarven Hold card.

[Reeplcheep]

Reeplcheep: Inkmoth Nexus, Ancient Den, Glimmervoid,
Rancor, comment: Ink-redibly fast

I found this week hard, so I just hoped people would play ping or shatter effects. Turns out other people realized the non-land rider was important.

dte: kessig wolf run, fungal reaches, tower of the magistrate, Dryad arbor, comment: Luddite
Similar deck, but you can be slower since you can block. WW

Wrath of Pie: Lotus Bloom, Lotus Bloom, Wild Evocation, Furnace Dragon, comment:
Disagreement. I kill on t5 which is your combo turn. I also think you lose to ratchet bomb in your t4 upkeep. WL?

Tirrit: Memnite, Lotus Petal, Vesuva, Caustic Wasps, comment: Here's hoping for no charge/sol lands!
Copied nexus forces me to trade for memnite. DD

FTW: Teferi's Isle, Gut Shot, Tomb Trawler, Chronomaton, comment: Slow copy
An istant speed ping effect! LL

GoblinSmashmaster: Dwarven Hold, Hearth Charm, Flamebreak, Goblin Cannon, comment: Bazaar banned!
Charmed by your deck. DD

Silkster: Saltcrusted Steppe, Mishra's Foundry, Engineered Explosives, Isolate, comment: floor is so hard to beat!
You can isolate my rancor but I'm still too fast. WW.

5 W 4 D 3 L for 13/36

[dte]

Did another round start?

[FTW]

Did another round start?

I would guess yours is the ceiling deck. We must lose to trampling Dryad Arbor!

[silkster]

Did another round start?

Yes, the current ceiling deck is: Kessig Wolf Run, Fungal Reaches, Tower of the Magistrate, Dryad Arbor.

Banned are:
Kessig Wolf Run, Fungal Reaches, Tower of the Magistrate, Dryad Arbor
Ratchet Bomb, City of Traitors, Patchwork Automaton, Drillworks Mole;
Thassa's Oracle, Laboratory Maniac, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Strip Mine, Ghost Quarter, Wasteland, Volatile Fault.

Since this is coming a bit late (though inferable), I'm going to delay the round end until Wednesday at 11am EDT.

I will also take this time to solicit suggestions for future seasons. My only idea is to play Floor/Ceiling but with only creatures and lands. FTW might have a season ready to go, and any other suggestions are welcome.

[silkster]

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[silkster]

Only 6 entries, but we're already an extra day, so I guess I'll just go for it.

Round 10

Tirrit: Bazaar of Bagdad , Shelldock Isle, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Rhystic Cave, comment: I have a bad feeling about this deck, but I can't help myself: it's too fun to submit rhystic cave on a ceiling week!
GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Foil, Volcanic Island, Raze the Effigy, comment: Goblin Smash!
Wrath of Pie: Bottomless Vault, Hollow Trees, Gaze of Granite, Wurmcoil Engine, comment:
Silkster: Underground Sea, Blackmail, Phantasmal Bear, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: the all lands decks are bad, right?
FTW: Thoughtseize, Death Rattle, Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Molten Slagheap, comment: No Storm Giants!
dte: Leyline of Singularity , Karakas , Hex Parasite , Memnite, comment:

[silkster]

Tirrit: Bazaar of Bagdad , Shelldock Isle, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Rhystic Cave, comment: I have a bad feeling about this deck, but I can't help myself: it's too fun to submit rhystic cave on a ceiling week!
Wait, is this deck actually good?
0-6

GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Foil, Volcanic Island, Raze the Effigy, comment: Goblin Smash!
I need to Blackmail you to stop you from using the Effigy as removal on my creature, but I can do that.
6-0

Wrath of Pie: Bottomless Vault, Hollow Trees, Gaze of Granite, Wurmcoil Engine, comment:
I can always catch your creature, but you can always catch mine.
2-2

Silkster: Underground Sea, Blackmail, Phantasmal Bear, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: the all lands decks are bad, right?
I thought everyone would be on Blackmail.

FTW: Thoughtseize, Death Rattle, Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Molten Slagheap, comment: No Storm Giants!
OTP, I play the bear, then Chancellor slows you down, then I blackmail your other land.
OTD, you play a land and pass, I blackmail a land, then you Thoughtseize the bear. Edit: you don't have the second land to push Thoughtseize through.
4-1 6-0

dte: Leyline of Singularity , Karakas , Hex Parasite , Memnite, comment:
I can't believe I didn't think of Leyline Karakas. I was so blinded by Blackmail.
OTP, you can't play Leyline or I catch your land. I Blackmail and you hide your land so I take Memnite and you can't cast Parasite.
OTD, you play Leyline, Krakas, and pay for Memnite, and I lose.
3-3

My initial thought was to play artifacts:
Mishra's Factory Dreadship Reef Needlebug Meteor Golem?

Then I thought of phantasmal creatures:
Saprazzan Skerry Ancient Tomb Phantasmal Dragon Phantasmal Dreadmaw

Then my favourite:
Crystal Vein Lotus Petal Show and Tell Kaldra Compleat

Then I found that I could play Blackmail and didn't really look back, except for trying an all-lands deck, but they didn't seem great.

[FTW]

FTW: Thoughtseize, Death Rattle, Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Molten Slagheap, comment: No Storm Giants!

Tirrit: Bazaar of Bagdad , Shelldock Isle, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Rhystic Cave
I can't beat Emrakul, but 2 lands keeps you off U forever. DD 2-2

GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Foil, Volcanic Island, Raze the Effigy
Thoughtseize takes Foil, Death Rattle kills the Goblin, then Hive eventually gets there. WW 6-0

Wrath of Pie: Bottomless Vault, Hollow Trees, Gaze of Granite, Wurmcoil Engine
Thoughtseize takes Wurmcoil, manland dodges Gaze. WW 6-0

Silkster: Underground Sea, Blackmail, Phantasmal Bear, Chancellor of the Annex
Can't resolve Thoughtseize through Channex or use my other 2 cards after you Blackmail a land. LL 0-6

dte: Leyline of Singularity , Karakas , Hex Parasite , Memnite
OTP Thoughtseize Hex Parasite, Death Rattle kills Memnite, Hive dodges Leyline combo
OTD I get punished for trying to go bigger than Factory instead of just playing Factory. Hex Parasite gets down under Thoughtseize and stops me from storing mana, then races.
WL 3-3

17 points (5 wins, 2 draws, 3 loss)


My first thought was Leyline+Karakas, but then I realized mimicking with manlands dodged that and most Tier 1 interaction. Mishra's Factory seemed like the best thing. So then I wanted a bigger manland than Factory, and instant nongreen removal to kill manlands & artifact creatures but not Dryad.

I mistakenly thought Blackmail couldn't be played, since taking either Kessig or Tower makes it really hard to lose to Dryad. Phantasmal Bear was a clever solution! Did not notice both Kessig & Tower can target creatures of either player!!

I had:
Leyline, Karakas, FoW, Chronomaton
Leyline, Karakas, FoW, Mishra's Factory
Show and Tell + Wurmcoil Engine (Kaldra is better!)
T0 Tidehollow Sculler
Thoughtseize + removal + land + Factory

Thoughtseize Factory does better here than Thoughtseize Hive, but I thought I needed to Next-Level Factory.

[FTW]

Wrath of Pie: Bottomless Vault, Hollow Trees, Gaze of Granite, Wurmcoil Engine, comment:
I can always catch your creature, but you can always catch mine.
2-2

What if WoP hides Wurmcoil from Blackmail? If you take a land, the other one still plays T9 Wurmcoil through Channex, just fast enough to stop 2/2 bear and then catch up with Lifelink.

Edit: Nevermind, you can just hold Blackmail till WoP plays a land, then always hit either Wurmcoil or Gaze. You must take Wurmcoil & then draw with Gaze.

[tirrit]

Tirrit: Bazaar of Bagdad , Shelldock Isle, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Rhystic Cave, comment: I have a bad feeling about this deck, but I can't help myself: it's too fun to submit rhystic cave on a ceiling week!

I was totally unaware of Leyline of Singularity this week. I knew it affected more than just creatures, but I did not put together that it would not affect dryad arbor. If I'd known I would definitely have played a different deck! Karakas wrecks me. FTW this week I think you did what I always feel that I do, where you realized something important, thought everyone else would too, and tried to next level us. Meanwhile I was just playing on level 0.


GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Foil, Volcanic Island, Raze the Effigy, comment: Goblin Smash!
With only one land you can't stop me from casting Emrakul, which is uncounterable. 6-0

Wrath of Pie: Bottomless Vault, Hollow Trees, Gaze of Granite, Wurmcoil Engine, comment:
You have two mana producing lands but they are too slow to prevent me from casting Emrakul. 6-0

Silkster: Underground Sea, Blackmail, Phantasmal Bear, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: the all lands decks are bad, right?
With only one land you can't stop me from casting Emrakul, which is uncounterable. 6-0

FTW: Thoughtseize, Death Rattle, Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Molten Slagheap, comment: No Storm Giants!
Two lands that tap for mana is cheating! 2-2

dte: Leyline of Singularity , Karakas , Hex Parasite , Memnite, comment:
Karakas is way too good! 0-6

20/30 points

As far as next season goes, I enjoy the floor/ceiling dynamic so I'd be happy to play a season of that with creatures and lands. I'll try whatever though :)

[dte]

Tirrit: Bazaar of Bagdad , Shelldock Isle, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Rhystic Cave, comment: I have a bad feeling about this deck, but I can't help myself: it's too fun to submit rhystic cave on a ceiling week!
6-0, karakas
6

GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Foil, Volcanic Island, Raze the Effigy, comment: Goblin Smash!
6-0, karakas/lleyline
12

Wrath of Pie: Bottomless Vault, Hollow Trees, Gaze of Granite, Wurmcoil Engine, comment:
6-0, leyline/karakas
18

Silkster: Underground Sea, Blackmail, Phantasmal Bear, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: the all lands decks are bad, right?
3-3
21

FTW: Thoughtseize, Death Rattle, Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Molten Slagheap, comment: No Storm Giants!
3-3. Death rattle can't really catch memnite, but menace makes it a race, and I think you kill me at 2-4 life.
24

dte: Leyline of Singularity , Karakas , Hex Parasite , Memnite, comment:
Me, trying again lleyline karakas.

I really like the alternating floor/ceiling, I think it works very well, making each round unique. Like Tirrit, I will play anything that is chosen.

My thought:
- everyone chosing the target deck among the top2. Would very much limit the interest to play copycat, and even increase more diversity. And no need to ban any card (the infamous 7 are truly unbannable as well). Makes it even easier.

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Bottomless Vault, Hollow Trees, Gaze of Granite, Wurmcoil Engine, comment:

Tirrit: Bazaar of Bagdad , Shelldock Isle, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Rhystic Cave, comment: I have a bad feeling about this deck, but I can't help myself: it's too fun to submit rhystic cave on a ceiling week! - Bazaar of Baghdad isn't Legacy legal.
GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Foil, Volcanic Island, Raze the Effigy, comment: Goblin Smash! - DD
Silkster: Underground Sea, Blackmail, Phantasmal Bear, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: the all lands decks are bad, right? - DD
FTW: Thoughtseize, Death Rattle, Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Molten Slagheap, comment: No Storm Giants! - LL
dte: Leyline of Singularity , Karakas , Hex Parasite , Memnite, comment: - LL - You actually do need Hex Parasite to beat me, give it some credit.

4d = 4 points

Should have stuck with Sphere of Resistance.

[tirrit]

Bazaar of Baghdad isn't Legacy legal.


Shoot, I guess I was actually playing on level -1.

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "lose to 1/1?"

Tirrit: Bazaar of Bagdad , Shelldock Isle, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Rhystic Cave, comment: I have a bad feeling about this deck, but I can't help myself: it's too fun to submit rhystic cave on a ceiling week!
banned?

GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Foil, Volcanic Island, Raze the Effigy, comment: Goblin Smash!
That's me, playing a 1/1 goblin

Wrath of Pie: Bottomless Vault, Hollow Trees, Gaze of Granite, Wurmcoil Engine, comment:
does not lose to 1/1 :( 2-2

Silkster: Underground Sea, Blackmail, Phantasmal Bear, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: the all lands decks are bad, right?
does not lose to 1/1 :( 0-6

FTW: Thoughtseize, Death Rattle, Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Molten Slagheap, comment: No Storm Giants!
does not lose to 1/1 :( 0-6

dte: Leyline of Singularity , Karakas , Hex Parasite , Memnite, comment:
does not lose to 1/1 :( 0-6

2 goblin points :|

[silkster]

The spreadsheet wasn't updating, but I put things in manually and I think I have it right.
After 10 rounds, the standings are:

1. tirrit - 32.8
2. Silkster - 32.5
3. Reeplcheep - 27.8
4. dte - 25.5
5. FTW - 23.5
6. GoblinSmashmaster - 12.3
7. Wrath of Pie - 11.5

Congratulations to tirrit who almost lost the lead in the last round with an illegal entry, but managed to hang on.

Overall, I think this was fun and interesting season. I was rarely able to predict what people were doing, I was often doing things others weren't thinking of, I always felt like I had a few options to choose between, and I almost always felt like I could have done better both as I was submitting and after the fact.

So I plan to run another version of this, starting with a round of voting for the initial floor deck. (Post coming up imminently.)

[silkster]

4 Card Blind - Floor/Ceiling - Season 2

We are starting a new season of Floor/Ceiling, this time with the card pool of: creatures and lands from Vintage minus Unfinity.
Augmenter Pugilist is legal, but Bala Ged Recovery is not.
Juggernaut is legal, but Sol Ring is not.
Grist, the Hunger Tide is legal.

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What does Floor/Ceiling mean?
Rounds will alternate between Floor rounds and Ceiling rounds.

Floor rounds are backbuild, i.e. you're trying to lose. Matches are still determined by best play that is trying to win. (One way to think about this is that you trade decks before the match starts and then try to win.)
In a Floor round, there will be a deck designated as "the floor deck". All entries must defeat the floor deck 6-0 (or WW, i.e. winning on the play and on the draw).

Ceiling rounds are regular rounds where you are trying to win. In a ceiling round, there will be a deck designated as "the ceiling deck", and all entries must lose 0-6 (or LL) to the ceiling deck.

After each round, the deck with the most points becomes the designated deck for the next round. That means that the strongest decks become floor decks, and the weakest decks become ceiling decks.

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The season will be 10 rounds in total, and your score for the season will be the sum of your 8 highest rounds.

Before the first round, we're going to vote on the starting floor deck. To cast your vote, submit your deck in the Entry Form in my signature. We'll see how the decks do, and we'll take the median deck. (This is a special rule just for the pre-round. For an even number of entries, we'll take the higher of the two medians. In the event of a tie, the deck that is submitted earlier counts as scoring higher.)

The deadline for the pre-round is Tuesday at 11am EDT. Have fun submitting the silliest decks that you couldn't bring yourself to submit when points were on the line (or anything else you want)!

PS: I posted this on /r/threecardblind, which is why this post has details that the regulars know. Feel free to share elsewhere as well.
1. But it got removed because I made a new account to post it. Hopefully mods allow it.
2. 3cb mod was friendly and pointed out that my account was labeled as suspended and I learned it was shadowbanned. Appeal to reddit doesn't get viewed until Monday. smh
3. Still shadowbanned. Posted on another new account without a link. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[dte]

Big congrats to tirrit for the win!
And to Silkster as well for being so close, but also for organizing a great season.

Looking forward to play it with creatures & lands :)

[FTW]

Congrats tirrit and silkster! That's a close finish.

Thanks for organizing this season too. It looks fun.

[silkster]

Voting Round

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Wall of Shards, Peat Bog, Plague Drone, comment:
GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Goblin Pyromancer, Junktroller, Hall of the Bandit Lord, comment: Goblin smash!
FTW: Ancient Spring, Bazaar of Baghdad, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Metamorphosis Fanatic, comment: Judge!
Silkster: Hickory Woodlot, City of Traitors, Elvish Piper, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment: annihilating the competition
dte: Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, comment: Four seasons
Wrath of Pie: Island, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, comment: Sadly, I can't submit Elspeths

[silkster]

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Wall of Shards, Peat Bog, Plague Drone, comment:
I annihilate your whole board too quickly.
6-0

GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Goblin Pyromancer, Junktroller, Hall of the Bandit Lord, comment: Goblin smash!
Total annihilation.
6-0
FTW: Ancient Spring, Bazaar of Baghdad, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Metamorphosis Fanatic, comment: Judge!
I love this silliness. That last one was definitely a reader.
6-0

Silkster: Hickory Woodlot, City of Traitors, Elvish Piper, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment: annihilating the competition

dte: Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, comment: Four seasons
Also annihilated.
6-0

Wrath of Pie: Island, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, comment: Sadly, I can't submit Elspeths
Not entirely annihilated. I feel like this deck has trouble actually winning since it's hard to cast a Dockhand while needing to activate one. But a draw is as good as a win for a floor deck.
4-1

Interesting that most decks just did their own thing and ignored the opponent. I wonder if that's secretly what we all want to do.

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinFloormaster Results for "Voting Round"

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Wall of Shards, Peat Bog, Plague Drone, comment:
Pointy shards :( 0-6

GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Goblin Pyromancer, Junktroller, Hall of the Bandit Lord, comment: Goblin smash!
That's me smashing with a goblin!

FTW: Ancient Spring, Bazaar of Baghdad, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Metamorphosis Fanatic, comment: Judge!
Eldrazi :( 0-6

Silkster: Hickory Woodlot, City of Traitors, Elvish Piper, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment: annihilating the competition
Eldrazi :( 0-6

dte: Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, comment: Four seasons
Too many :( 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Island, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, comment: Sadly, I can't submit Elspeths
Too many :( 0-6

0 goblin points, 30 backbuild points!

[dte]

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Wall of Shards, Peat Bog, Plague Drone, comment:
0-6
0

GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Goblin Pyromancer, Junktroller, Hall of the Bandit Lord, comment: Goblin smash!
6-0
6

FTW: Ancient Spring, Bazaar of Baghdad, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Metamorphosis Fanatic, comment: Judge!
2-2 if I understand your deck?
8

Silkster: Hickory Woodlot, City of Traitors, Elvish Piper, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment: annihilating the competition
0-6
8

dte: Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, comment: Four seasons
Me, sporting the nicest playset of the game!

Wrath of Pie: Island, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, comment: Sadly, I can't submit Elspeths
6-0. The archetype I came prepared for!
14

[silkster]

GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Goblin Pyromancer, Junktroller, Hall of the Bandit Lord, comment: Goblin smash!
That's me smashing with a goblin!

FTW: Ancient Spring, Bazaar of Baghdad, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Metamorphosis Fanatic, comment: Judge!
Eldrazi :( 0-6


My Eldrazi annihilates you, but FTW can't cast Emrakul, and Junktroller holds off the Fanatic forever.

By my quick count, both of the fine print rules are relevant (higher of two medians, earlier submitted deck counts as higher). I make lots of play mistakes though, so we'll see.

[FTW]

FTW: Ancient Spring, Bazaar of Baghdad, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Metamorphosis Fanatic, comment: Judge!

I wanted to do something silly, like 4CB Miracles (cast a card from library in a format with no library). I was going to play Sister Repentia, but Metamorphosis Fanatic is funnier. This is a great rules trap: so close to working in many ways, but never does.

If you try to draw-discard to get both Miracle & Eldrazi shuffle triggers at the same time (stacking Miracle on top, then casting Fanatic while Emrakul is in the grave), it doesn't work because Bazaar discards the Fanatic out of hand and it's in the wrong zone when the Miracle trigger resolves. The 4CB random rule also means you always draw the cards in the worst possible order. Depending on library order, you can try tricks: Bazaar on upkeep, Bazaar in response to Miracle, or Bazaar on opponent's turn. But the stack always resolves in the wrong order to make Emrakul. The deck perpetually tries to make Emrakul and misses each time.

In the end, it's only turn 4 4/4 lifelink (recurring infinitely).

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Wall of Shards, Peat Bog, Plague Drone
Your wall is too big, and my lifelink accelerates your clock. LL 0-6

GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Goblin Pyromancer, Junktroller, Hall of the Bandit Lord
T4 4/4 gets you down to 12-16 life before you make T6 Junktroller. Then you only get 3-5 Pyromancer attacks (15-25 damage) before running out of life to activate Hall, and I've gained a ton of life. DD 2-2

Silkster: Hickory Woodlot, City of Traitors, Elvish Piper, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Your Eldrazi actually enters the battlefield, too good. LL 0-6

dte: Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory
If you stay on defense, you can block as 5/5 factory so I can't attack for value. But attacking leaves you open to trading resources and then falling behind. DD 2-2

Wrath of Pie: Island, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand
Edit: You can't beat my threat, but you can Port Ancient Spring so I can never Miracle cast it. LL 0-6

4 points (4 draws, 6 loss)

[FTW]

We are missing Reeplcheep's (legal) submission of Bazaar, Rootwalla, Rootwalla, Vengevine

That was a fun target deck to start with.

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Island, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, comment: Sadly, I can't submit Elspeths

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Wall of Shards, Peat Bog, Plague Drone, comment: - DD
GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Goblin Pyromancer, Junktroller, Hall of the Bandit Lord, comment: Goblin smash! - WW
FTW: Ancient Spring, Bazaar of Baghdad, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Metamorphosis Fanatic, comment: Judge! - WW - FTW was just too convincing.
Silkster: Hickory Woodlot, City of Traitors, Elvish Piper, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment: annihilating the competition - DL
dte: Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, comment: Four seasons - LL - This is my favorite entry.

4w3d = 15 points

[silkster]

FTW: Ancient Spring, Bazaar of Baghdad, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Metamorphosis Fanatic, comment: Judge!

[...] Bazaar discards the Fanatic out of hand and it's in the wrong zone when the Miracle trigger resolves. [...]

Wrath of Pie: Island, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand
You only have 3/6 on defense, so I can beat through these. WW 6-0


Can you resolve your 4/4? I hadn't thought of the possibility of using Bazaar on upkeep, but as you mention the miracle trigger is too slow. I think you're 1-4 depending on whether Wrath of Pie has time to resolve the second Dockhand.

Factory only blocks as a 5/5 (or two 3/3's), but 5/5 is still big enough to hold you off.

It would be interesting to start with the Vengevine deck again since this time it would be a very high floor deck!

[dte]

Can you resolve your 4/4? I hadn't thought of the possibility of using Bazaar on upkeep, but as you mention the miracle trigger is too slow. I think you're 1-4 depending on whether Wrath of Pie has time to resolve the second Dockhand.

Factory only blocks as a 5/5 (or two 3/3's), but 5/5 is still big enough to hold you off.

It would be interesting to start with the Vengevine deck again since this time it would be a very high floor deck!

I would think 6-0 WoP?

FTW OTP:
T1 AP
T1 dockhand
T2 bazaar, hand becomes library
T2 2nd dockhand
T3 draw Emrakul
T3 attack with 1 dockhand, FTW 19.
T4 tap AP in upkeep, FTW draws MF in draw phase.

No?

[silkster]

I would think 6-0 WoP?

FTW OTP:
T1 AP
T1 dockhand
T2 bazaar, hand becomes library
T2 2nd dockhand
T3 draw Emrakul
T3 attack with 1 dockhand, FTW 19.
T4 tap AP in upkeep, FTW draws MF in draw phase.

No?

Oh yeah. I didn't expect the Bazaar draw, and it's still not relevant, but somehow it confused me. I think this means that Wrath of Pie overtakes you as third place. And I already had 3 decks in my gauntlet against a year's worth of factories.



In the end, it's only turn 3 Miracled 4/4 lifelink (recurring infinitely).

Oh, so it's really turn 4.

[tirrit]

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Wall of Shards, Peat Bog, Plague Drone, comment:
A fun synergy that's totally useless in practice. It seemed like a nice entry for a voting round.


GoblinSmashmaster: Mercadian Bazaar, Goblin Pyromancer, Junktroller, Hall of the Bandit Lord, comment: Goblin smash!
These goblins don't interact with what I'm doing and I can block. 6-0

FTW: Ancient Spring, Bazaar of Baghdad, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Metamorphosis Fanatic, comment: Judge!
At first I thought you could reanimate Emrakul, but if you can't then I can definitely block and eventually get there. 6-0

Silkster: Hickory Woodlot, City of Traitors, Elvish Piper, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment: annihilating the competition
Eldrazi are scary. 0-6

dte: Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, Mishra's Factory, comment: Four seasons
You can't really punch through the wall so you eventually die. 6-0

Wrath of Pie: Island, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, comment: Sadly, I can't submit Elspeths
I don't resolve plague drone until turn three, but I resolve wall on turn 2. This means you can't quite get enough creatures in play to actually kill me (even on the play) before you are forced to tap my land every turn. 2-2


20 points

[FTW]

I would think 6-0 WoP?

FTW OTP:
T1 AP
T1 dockhand
T2 bazaar, hand becomes library
T2 2nd dockhand
T3 draw Emrakul
T3 attack with 1 dockhand, FTW 19.
T4 tap AP in upkeep, FTW draws MF in draw phase.

No?

Good point. It's T4 not T3, and I can't beat Port. Then WoP wins both.

Think I was been drawing off Bazaar in those calculations (T3 and/or beats Port). But as stated above the timing on Bazaar & Miracle means I can't Miracle cast before the discard.

[silkster]

Wrath of Pie: Island, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, Rishadan Dockhand, comment: Sadly, I can't submit Elspeths

4w3d = 15 points

Wrath of Pie coming in at 15 points, one ahead of dte (who would have won the tiebreaker), wins the honour of being the first floor deck.

This means a very minimal banlist:
Rishadan Dockhand is banned.

[silkster]

Note that North America changed their clocks yesterday, so lists will be posted after 11am EST (S is standard in America, as opposed to the S in CEST that stands for summer). It's possible I'll be late though.

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[silkster]

Floor Round 1

GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Ornithopter, comment: Goblin.. paddle?
Reeplcheep: Dandan, Noble Hierarch, Ornithopter, Tropical Island, comment:
FTW: Island, City of Brass, Deserted Temple, Merfolk Assassin, comment: City of Draws
Wrath of Pie: Cascade Bluffs, Simian Spirit Guide, Merfolk Assassin, Phage the Untouchable, comment:
dte: Rainbow Vale, Rainbow Vale, Rainbow Vale, Merfolk assassin , comment:
Silkster: Tropical Island, Merfolk Spy, Merfolk Spy, Heart of Yavimaya, comment: predicting 2 merfolk assassins
Tirrit: Tarnished Citadel, Grayscaled Gharial, Thoughtbound Phantasm, Wood Elemental, comment: I can't figure out how to handle islandwalk, so let's see if someone else has.

[silkster]

I thought I would still have game against non-Assassin decks, but I basically have two 2/2s and that's just too much. So I 6-0 the assassins and 0-6 everything else. Merfolk Assassin was the first list I made, and the second was Tropical Island, 1/1 islandwalker, 2x Rushwood Legate, which would have been better this week. I was prepared for the legates, but I wasn't prepared for anyone to block. Somehow there just wasn't any blocking in my gauntlet.

[FTW]

FTW: Island, City of Brass, Deserted Temple, Merfolk Assassin, comment: City of Draws

As soon as I found Merfolk Assassin, I feared a bunch of DD 2-2 mirrors with Assassin + bad mana sources. That card is too hilarious at mimicking 1/2 blue creature while beating the target deck.
Then it came down to small edges. Rhystic Caves to lose to better lands? Rainbow Vale is funny.
I ended up trying City of Brass (in case anyone was on Rishadan Port) and Island (vs Islandhome & Legates). Temple was to beat Dockhand while still forced to play BOTH Island and City.


GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Ornithopter
I kill your Islandwalking Goblin but can't beat a 0/2 DD 2-2

Reeplcheep: Dandân, Noble Hierarch, Ornithopter, Tropical Island
5/2 fatty wrecks me LL 6-0

Wrath of Pie: Cascade Bluffs, Simian Spirit Guide, Merfolk Assassin, Phage the Untouchable
Mirror DD 2-2

dte: Rainbow Vale, Rainbow Vale, Rainbow Vale, Merfolk assassin
Mirror DD 2-2

Silkster: Tropical Island, Merfolk Spy, Merfolk Spy, Heart of Yavimaya
You came ready to beat Assassins WW 0-6

Tirrit: Tarnished Citadel, Grayscaled Gharial, Thoughtbound Phantasm, Wood Elemental
2/2 is 2 big DD 2-2

14 points (2 loss, 8 draw, 2 win)

[dte]

FTW:
14 points (2 loss, 8 draw, 2 win)

Exactly the same :)

[FTW]

Exactly the same :)

You and Wrath don't have Island, so how do you lose to Dandan?

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Merfolk vs Goblins"

GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Ornithopter, comment: Goblin.. paddle?
That's me with a Goblin!

Reeplcheep: Dandan, Noble Hierarch, Ornithopter, Tropical Island, comment:
Goblin paddle 0-6

FTW: Island, City of Brass, Deserted Temple, Merfolk Assassin, comment: City of Draws
Assassinated 2-2

Wrath of Pie: Cascade Bluffs, Simian Spirit Guide, Merfolk Assassin, Phage the Untouchable, comment:
Assassinated 2-2

dte: Rainbow Vale, Rainbow Vale, Rainbow Vale, Merfolk assassin , comment:
Assassinated 2-2

Silkster: Tropical Island, Merfolk Spy, Merfolk Spy, Heart of Yavimaya, comment: predicting 2 merfolk assassins
First strike 6-0

Tirrit: Tarnished Citadel, Grayscaled Gharial, Thoughtbound Phantasm, Wood Elemental, comment: I can't figure out how to handle islandwalk, so let's see if someone else has.
First strike 2-2

14 goblin points

[dte]

You and Wrath don't have Island, so how do you lose to Dandan?

No need, I lose to exalted thopter.
WoP too, dandan can block as well

[tirrit]

Tirrit: Tarnished Citadel, Grayscaled Gharial, Thoughtbound Phantasm, Wood Elemental, comment: I can't figure out how to handle islandwalk, so let's see if someone else has.

I was stumped this week. I thought of this very simple deck and then I could not for the life of me figure out a way to lose to it. I've never had that occur before, where I literally cannot come up with a way to lose to (or win vs) a deck at all. I did not think of legate, which would have done it. Luckily for me no one played it.


GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Ornithopter, comment: Goblin.. paddle?
2-2

Reeplcheep: Dandan, Noble Hierarch, Ornithopter, Tropical Island, comment:
Ornithopter flies over and races gharial both because of tarnished citadel costing me life, and also because on the draw ornithopter can come down by itself and block for one turn before playing island on turn two in order to play hierarch and start racing. LL 6-0

FTW: Island, City of Brass, Deserted Temple, Merfolk Assassin, comment: City of Draws
city of draws indeed 2-2

Wrath of Pie: Cascade Bluffs, Simian Spirit Guide, Merfolk Assassin, Phage the Untouchable, comment:
2-2

dte: Rainbow Vale, Rainbow Vale, Rainbow Vale, Merfolk assassin , comment:
2-2

Silkster: Tropical Island, Merfolk Spy, Merfolk Spy, Heart of Yavimaya, comment: predicting 2 merfolk assassins
you trade one pumped spy for my wall then the other spy gets pumped and races gharial. LL 6-0

4 losses and 8(!) draws for 20 points

[FTW]

I did not think of legate, which would have done it. Luckily for me no one played it

Rushwood Legate or creatures like Dandan lose to 1/1 Islandwalk.

If you play your own Island to lose to those, then 1/1 isn't enough to beat the Dockhands, so you'd have to play bigger threats.

I thought that would deter people from playing 1/1 Islandwalk. In reality, it created a Rock-Paper-Scissors between Merfolk Assassin+Island, Islandwalk, and "needs Islands" decks. You and silk picked the right one for this meta.

Looks like you're the ceiling deck!

[tirrit]

Rushwood Legate or creatures like Dandan lose to 1/1 Islandwalk.


Yeah I thought of islandhome but I couldn't figure out how to make it work. The fact that you have to play a second threat (so they can't draw by doing nothing) and also play an island and somehow have enough mana to cast an islandhome creature big enough to punch through 3 1/2s makes it tough. Reep made it work but he had to make his second threat powerful enough that he could just race the 1/1 islandwalk

[dte]

Looks like you're the ceiling deck!

So is the new round started?

[FTW]

So is the new round started?

@silkster, any news?

[silkster]

Yeah, sorry, the new rounds go automatically in my mind. Tirrit won with
Tarnished Citadel
Grayscaled Gharial
Thoughtbound Phantasm
Wood Elemental,
so those are banned and are the ceiling. Rishadan Dockhand is also banned. I'll post lists during the day if the usual ones are in.

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[silkster]

Ah, I realized my deck beat the ceiling deck, but I haven't look at the entries yet, so I'm updating. Will look now and post if they're all there.

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[silkster]

Just missing Reeplcheep. I'm going to wait until tonight, about 12 hours total from usual deadline.

The submissions look legal to me.

[dte]

Yeah, sorry, the new rounds go automatically in my mind.

So for next rounds, as soon as the target deck is figured out, we just submit in the form, correct?


Just missing Reeplcheep. I'm going to wait until tonight, about 12 hours total from usual deadline.

Looking forward to see those.

[silkster]

Round 2 - Ceiling

GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Skoa, Embermage, Merfolk Spy, comment: Goblin smash!
Silkster: Subterranean Hangar, Xathrid Acolyte, Vesuva, Phantasmal Forces, comment: upkeeps!
dte: Rushwood Legate, Rushwood Legate, Tropical island , Mistbreath Elder, comment:
Wrath of Pie: Island, Island, Reef Shaman, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
FTW: Cathedral of War, Island, Deeptread Merrow, Gilded Drake, comment:
Tirrit: Island, Elvish Spirit Guide, River Boa, Signal Pest, comment:

[silkster]

Round 2 - Ceiling

GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Skoa, Embermage, Merfolk Spy, comment: Goblin smash! LL
Silkster: Subterranean Hangar, Xathrid Acolyte, Vesuva, Phantasmal Forces, comment: upkeeps! LL
dte: Rushwood Legate, Rushwood Legate, Tropical island , Mistbreath Elder, comment: LL
Wrath of Pie: Island, Island, Reef Shaman, Volatile Stormdrake, comment: LL
FTW: Cathedral of War, Island, Deeptread Merrow, Gilded Drake, comment: LL
Tirrit: Island, Elvish Spirit Guide, River Boa, Signal Pest, comment: LL

0 points!

I found Volatile Stormdrake and it just hurt my brain that some decks were better because they played slightly worse cards. Everything seemed so flat. I wanted to do something different. And I did achieve difference. But my 10-turn clock using your island is just not good enough. My illegal deck used Junún Efreet instead of the Acolyte, but copying the Hangar gave too much mana too quickly.

And yes, the entry form is always open for submissions and I never look at it between the time that I copy the lists for this post and the time that I make my salted hash post. If it looks like there's doubt about the target deck, I might make a post declaring it. Otherwise if you submit really early and it changes, you can just resubmit.

[dte]

GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Skoa, Embermage, Merfolk Spy, comment: Goblin smash!
6-0, frog smash!

Silkster: Subterranean Hangar, Xathrid Acolyte, Vesuva, Phantasmal Forces, comment: upkeeps!
6-0. Vesuva is nice in betting everone plays island without necessarily playing it.
12

dte: Rushwood Legate, Rushwood Legate, Tropical island , Mistbreath Elder, comment:
Me, playing legate in a ceiling round!

Wrath of Pie: Island, Island, Reef Shaman, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
6-0, two islands mean I can protect my frog from the frog thief!
18

FTW: Cathedral of War, Island, Deeptread Merrow, Gilded Drake, comment:
6-0, frog thief! But drake + 2 legates race a slow growing frog.
24

Tirrit: Island, Elvish Spirit Guide, River Boa, Signal pest
6-0
30

The frog worked very well, even against the ones who found it tasty and wanted to steal it.


Round 2 - Ceiling

0 points!

Sine l play this game, I think it is the first time I see you scoring 0 with a legal deck :/



And yes, the entry form is always open for submissions and I never look at it between the time that I copy the lists for this post and the time that I make my salted hash post. If it looks like there's doubt about the target deck, I might make a post declaring it. Otherwise if you submit really early and it changes, you can just resubmit.

Noted!

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "lose to 1/1"

GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Skoa, Embermage, Merfolk Spy, comment: Goblin smash!
That's me, smashing with 1/1s!

Silkster: Subterranean Hangar, Xathrid Acolyte, Vesuva, Phantasmal Forces, comment: upkeeps!
Goblin smash! 6-0

dte: Rushwood Legate, Rushwood Legate, Tropical island , Mistbreath Elder, comment:
Froglin smash :( 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Island, Island, Reef Shaman, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
Merfolk smash! 6-0

FTW: Cathedral of War, Island, Deeptread Merrow, Gilded Drake, comment:
Goblin smash! 6-0

Tirrit: Island, Elvish Spirit Guide, River Boa, Signal Pest, comment:
Goblin smash! 6-0

24 goblin points!!

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Island, Island, Reef Shaman, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:

GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Skoa, Embermage, Merfolk Spy, comment: Goblin smash! - LL - That Merfolk is a traitor.
Silkster: Subterranean Hangar, Xathrid Acolyte, Vesuva, Phantasmal Forces, comment: upkeeps! - WW
dte: Rushwood Legate, Rushwood Legate, Tropical island , Mistbreath Elder, comment: - LL
FTW: Cathedral of War, Island, Deeptread Merrow, Gilded Drake, comment: - WL
Tirrit: Island, Elvish Spirit Guide, River Boa, Signal Pest, comment: - LL

3w = 9 points

Really should not have played two Islands.

[FTW]

FTW: Cathedral of War, Island, Deeptread Merrow, Gilded Drake, comment:

I thought River Boa was illegal (Regenerate too good), so I played this 2/1 instead. But I did not consider fast mana, since I was stuck on Cathedral + Island-typed land to play Drake. Fast mana also makes you race a turn faster, clever!
I also picked the inferior Drake. Hexproof matters in the mirror!

GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Skoa, Embermage, Merfolk Spy
T1 Cathedral / Lackey
T2 Merrow / Spy. Lackey attacks
If I block & trade, Spy kills me. I don't block. [F=19]
If you hold back Skoa, then I just race 3 damage Islandwalk vs 2 from you & win the race.
So you play Skoa now & kill Merrow.
T3 Drake swap with 4/4 / Attack 3 flying + 1 islandwalk [F=15]
T4 Attack 5 exalted [G=15] / Attack 5 back [F=10]
Even stealing your 4/4, I'm too slow.
LL 0-6

Silkster: Subterranean Hangar, Xathrid Acolyte, Vesuva, Phantasmal Forces
T2 3/2 Islandwalk vs T5 4/1 flying, and I can slow you down by swapping with your flyer WW 6-0

dte: Rushwood Legate, Rushwood Legate, Tropical island , Mistbreath Elder
I did not even know that Frog existed, great threat! You have to grow to at least 3/3 to attack, then Drake can swap & Merrow can trade with 1 Legate. But 4/4 (with exalted) is still too slow to race 3/3 flyer + 2/1 Legate. I can grow Frog by not blocking Legate yet, but then I take more damage and am not fast enough to catch up. LL 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Island, Island, Reef Shaman, Volatile Stormdrake
OTP I get Merrow down first, so you can't play Drake (otherwise you get a 2/1 Islandwalk and I get a 4/3 flyer).
OTD you get T2 Drake, I can't swap, so I play T2 Merrow. Your evasive 3/2 attacks before my evasive 3/2, so you win the race. WL 3-3

Tirrit: Island, Elvish Spirit Guide, River Boa, Signal Pest
OTP
T1 Cathedral / Boa
T2 Merrow / Pest [F=18]
If I try to race 3 vs 3:
17 / 15
14 / 12
11 / 9
8 / 6
5 / 3
2 / 0 <-- I lose first exactly at 0. Did you calculate this race in advance? Very smart vs 3/x Islandwalk mirror without fast mana.

If I swap with Drake instead..

T3 Drake swap, attack 3/2 Merrow into 3/3 Drake (you can't block or Boa wins for me) [T=17] / Drake+Pest attack [F=14]
Then we race 4-power flying vs 4-power Islandwalk (no exalted):
13 / 10
9 / 6
5 / 2
1 / -2 <-- You win this race too.
LL 0-6

9 points (3 wins, 7 loss)

[tirrit]

Did you calculate this race in advance? Very smart vs 3/x Islandwalk mirror without fast mana.



I thought that it would be important to be able to play my threat on turn 1 in case people are running discard, and attacking first seems important if no one can block. I didn't really calculate anything though.

[silkster]

Sine l play this game, I think it is the first time I see you scoring 0 with a legal deck :/


It's a good thing I made the scoring system kind to such a thing! It's certainly easier to get 0 or 6 round points with fewer players. I think my Inquisition deck was my first time getting 6 round points. I can hardly remember anyone scoring 6 round points before my Inquisition deck. I even have strong memories someone in the pauper season playing Swamp, Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge and they went 6-0 in every matchup except for one 3-3 because it was the closest I'd seen to a full sweep.

For this week, we have a clear winner.
Rushwood Legate, Rushwood Legate, Tropical island , Mistbreath Elder is the target deck, and
Tarnished Citadel,
Grayscaled Gharial,
Thoughtbound Phantasm,
Wood Elemental are also banned.

[tirrit]

Tirrit: Island, Elvish Spirit Guide, River Boa, Signal Pest, comment:
I really wanted to play no islands and Aku Djinn plus xathrid acolyte, with the idea that it would force a double block and the wall would have 3 counters and so be able to attack, but if someone was playing a copycat with a small islandwalker and a wall, then their wall would not be able to attack and xathrid acolyte would win. The problem was that it was just a terrible deck: it lost to any 2 power creature. It is so hard to get away from island stuff in the "season of the island".


GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Skoa, Embermage, Merfolk Spy, comment: Goblin smash!
I can't attack or goblin lackey will smash me, so I lose to merfolk spy. 0-6

Silkster: Subterranean Hangar, Xathrid Acolyte, Vesuva, Phantasmal Forces, comment: upkeeps!
Phantasmal forces is too slow vs my turn 8 goldfish. 6-0

dte: Rushwood Legate, Rushwood Legate, Tropical island , Mistbreath Elder, comment:
Legates smash me. 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Island, Island, Reef Shaman, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
Unfortunately for you my threat is worse than your stormdrake, so your stormdrake smashes you. 6-0

FTW: Cathedral of War, Island, Deeptread Merrow, Gilded Drake, comment:
I barely win the race by attacking first on the draw (again having a worse threat than gilded drake is important here). 6-0


18/30 points

[FTW]

Tirrit: Island, Elvish Spirit Guide, River Boa, Signal Pest, comment:
I really wanted to play no islands and Aku Djinn plus xathrid acolyte, with the idea that it would force a double block and the wall would have 3 counters and so be able to attack, but if someone was playing a copycat with a small islandwalker and a wall, then their wall would not be able to attack and xathrid acolyte would win. The problem was that it was just a terrible deck: it lost to any 2 power creature. It is so hard to get away from island stuff in the "season of the island".

I also tried to force Aku Djinn (or Sheltering Ancient), but those decks were losing to 3/x Islandwalk. In case someone found a better way to use them, Drake. I think you chose right with turbo 3/x.

[dte]

It's a good thing I made the scoring system kind to such a thing! It's certainly easier to get 0 or 6 round points with fewer players. I think my Inquisition deck was my first time getting 6 round points. I can hardly remember anyone scoring 6 round points before my Inquisition deck. I even have strong memories someone in the pauper season playing Swamp, Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge and they went 6-0 in every matchup except for one 3-3 because it was the closest I'd seen to a full sweep.


The first round of my first full season (pauper bannathon that you won), I had a full sweep on a 11 players round with:
Laboratory Maniac, Mortuary Mire, Izzet Boilerworks, Irrigation Ditch
I was very proud of it :)

And now I think tirrit did it at least twice in a single season?

[silkster]

The first round of my first full season (pauper bannathon that you won), I had a full sweep on a 11 players round with:
Laboratory Maniac, Mortuary Mire, Izzet Boilerworks, Irrigation Ditch
I was very proud of it :)

And now I think tirrit did it at least twice in a single season?

Oh, I do remember the Lab Maniac now. I didn't realize it had been reprinted with a rarity drop. And you're right that Tirrit did it twice already. I think this format of floor/ceiling (which I call "Room" in my scrap excel sheets) is good for innovation and allows some really great finds. I think you've also commented on having a deck in your notes that would have swept. In the round where the floor deck was Therapy, Sadist, and Fumespitter, I thought people would play Deathspeakers, but it turned out that Mindslaver + EE would have swept that round.

[dte]

I think you've also commented on having a deck in your notes that would have swept

That I had a few times (I think FTW too), but I guess it reflects more on thinking of too many decks and/or choosing poorly between them.

Room is a good name for floor & ceiling :) I agree the format brings in surprises.

[silkster]

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Checking for legalities now.

[silkster]

Round 3

GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Crookshank Kobolds, comment: Goblin paddle?
dte: Goblin Champion, Bazaar of Baghdad, Big Game Hunter, Forbidden Orchard, comment: Goblin smash! With real vintage lands!
Reeplcheep: Blightbeetle, Slayers' Stronghold, Raffine's Tower, Sunbaked Canyon, comment: No phantasms please
Wrath of Pie: Grove of the Burnwillows, Elvish Spirit Guide, Thermo-Alchemist, Polar Kraken, comment:
FTW: Stomping Ground, Svyelunite Temple, Dwarven Sea Clan, Taunting Kobold, comment: Dwarves!
Silkster: Vesuva, Izzet Boilerworks, Mogg Toady, Seasinger, comment: Goblin smash!
Tirrit: Chancellor of the Annex, Sand Silos, Indatha Triome , Kjeldoran Javelineer, comment:

[silkster]

7 entries and 28 different cards! And very different strategies too. Only a few lands are close, like Stomping Ground and Grove of the Burnwillows, and a few triomes are pretty close, though still each chosen very specifically. The closest thing to repeat strategies is 3 goblin decks!

[FTW]

FTW: Stomping Ground, Svyelunite Temple, Dwarven Sea Clan, Taunting Kobold, comment: Dwarves!

I thought Island and Vesuva would not be playable, since Frog gro is too good. But Seasinger and Blightbeetle are both good solutions.


GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Crookshank Kobolds
A fellow Kobold! But your 2/2 goblin is much bigger than my 1/1 Dwarf. LL 6-0

dte: Goblin Champion, Bazaar of Baghdad, Big Game Hunter, Forbidden Orchard
Clever way to only beat the Frog. I did not notice the 1st ability wasn't a "may".
If you play Champion, I have 2 1/1s vs your 1/2. If you play BGH, I have 3 1/1s. If I trade with your attacking 2/2, then your 1/2 beats by 1/1. But if I let it through, I can race you 3 vs 2. WW 0-6

Reeplcheep: Blightbeetle, Slayers' Stronghold, Raffine's Tower, Sunbaked Canyon
Island? I can Goad you into death. WW 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Grove of the Burnwillows, Elvish Spirit Guide, Thermo-Alchemist, Polar Kraken
My 1/1 can't attack through Thermo-Alchemist, and your wall can't be Goaded. LL 6-0

Silkster: Vesuva, Izzet Boilerworks, Mogg Toady, Seasinger
Vesuva can copy my blue land, but you still can't keep Seasinger & I have too many creatures for Toady. WW 0-6

Tirrit: Chancellor of the Annex, Sand Silos, Indatha Triome , Kjeldoran Javelineer
Kobold is too good! I have Channex fodder, so I can play my 1/1 and win. WW 0-6


12 points (4 loss, 8 wins)


Should have played one of my other contenders:
Exotic Orchard, Icatian Store, Hammerhead Shark, Kjeldoran Javelineer
Overgrown Tomb, Deepwood Legate, Land Cap, Acolyte of Xathrid

I was surprised to see no Deepwood Legates and few Forests playing around it.

[silkster]

Round 3

GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Crookshank Kobolds, comment: Goblin paddle?
Your goblin attacks while mine looks on timidly. That's a goblin paddling.
6-0

dte: Goblin Champion, Bazaar of Baghdad, Big Game Hunter, Forbidden Orchard, comment: Goblin smash! With real vintage lands!
I figured out mostly why this was legal, then saw the sneaky line of holding the elder until both players are at 3, and this deck got the dm of doubt, even though the line I proposed was winning for the Big Game Hunter. I'm curious about even how many unplayed lists 6-0 this. I had one that 6-0s this and I nearly played it, but I couldn't resist the allure of smashing with goblins.
0-6

Reeplcheep: Blightbeetle, Slayers Stronghold, Raffine's Tower, Sunbaked Canyon, comment: No phantasms please
Many rounds ago I had a Deathspeakers + Slayers' Stronghold deck, and I had a 2x blightbeetle deck, but I somehow didn't put this together. I'm also just realizing that I did the math to realize that this deck could play Island, but my list didn't have Island in it, and when I found Seasinger I was pretty sure I'd never activate it. Alas, the beetle does not fill its ears with wax, nor does it have its crew mates tie it to the mast of the ship, and the poor beetle sails straight into the rocks.
0-6

Wrath of Pie: Grove of the Burnwillows, Elvish Spirit Guide, Thermo-Alchemist, Polar Kraken, comment:


FTW: Stomping Ground, Svyelunite Temple, Dwarven Sea Clan, Taunting Kobold, comment: Dwarves!
I spent a few minutes trying to figure out how this deck was fast enough to kill the elder before it grows, and then finally remembered that you're not playing an island. I didn't think that for anyone else though. The Sea Clan just sounds like you're running an island, I guess.
I'm surprised that Taunting Kobold didn't get printed as "Taunting Goblin". We could have had even more goblins. I'm also amused that you could have played Taunting Elf, and it would have been the same.
6-0

Silkster: Vesuva, Izzet Boilerworks, Mogg Toady, Seasinger, comment: Goblin smash!
Surely no one will actually play an island, right?

Tirrit: Chancellor of the Annex, Sand Silos, Indatha Triome , Kjeldoran Javelineer, comment:
My Toady is way too fast for your Javelineers, but I can't resolve it through the Chancellor if you just never play a land.
2-2

I was very excited so I already commented that there are 28 different cards here. And the strategies too.
Race with a 2/2 and chump block once.
Forbidden Orchard specifically against Mistbreath's bounce.
Vigilance pro green, ft. The Lonely Island.
Block with an 0/3.
Shoot it down because it's on an island.
Steal it because it's on an island. (Maybe these two are the closest.)
Cumulative upkeep slowness with chancellor as the anti 2/2. (My Javelineers list was forced to play a blocker that could attack.)

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Result for Round "Goblins"

GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Crookshank Kobolds, comment: Goblin paddle?
That's me, on the same goblin!

dte: Goblin Champion, Bazaar of Baghdad, Big Game Hunter, Forbidden Orchard, comment: Goblin smash! With real vintage lands!
Goblin smash! 0-6

Reeplcheep: Blightbeetle, Slayers Stronghold, Raffine's Tower, Sunbaked Canyon, comment: No phantasms please
Goblin smash! 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Grove of the Burnwillows, Elvish Spirit Guide, Thermo-Alchemist, Polar Kraken, comment:
Wall 6-0

FTW: Stomping Ground, Svyelunite Temple, Dwarven Sea Clan, Taunting Kobold, comment: Dwarves!
Goblin smash! 0-6

Silkster: Vesuva, Izzet Boilerworks, Mogg Toady, Seasinger, comment: Goblin smash!
Goblin smash! 0-6

Tirrit: Chancellor of the Annex, Sand Silos, Indatha Triome , Kjeldoran Javelineer, comment:
Goblin smash! 0-6

6 goblin points

[dte]

GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Crookshank Kobolds, comment: Goblin paddle?
6-0, goblin smash! But not mine..
6

dte: Goblin Champion, Bazaar of Baghdad, Big Game Hunter, Forbidden Orchard, comment: Goblin smash! With real vintage lands!
That's me smashing with goblin (and stealing someone else's line.

Reeplcheep: Blightbeetle, Slayers Stronghold, Raffine's Tower, Sunbaked Canyon, comment: No phantasms please
6-0, beetle smash!
12

Wrath of Pie: Grove of the Burnwillows, Elvish Spirit Guide, Thermo-Alchemist, Polar Kraken, comment:
6-0, goblin burnt.
18

FTW: Stomping Ground, Svyelunite Temple, Dwarven Sea Clan, Taunting Kobold, comment: Dwarves!
6-0, dwarves smash!
I had almost the same deck with the elf one and other lands.
24

Silkster: Vesuva, Izzet Boilerworks, Mogg Toady, Seasinger, comment: Goblin smash!
6-0, goblin smash! But not mine.
Vesuva again! Will have to remember it.
30

Tirrit: Chancellor of the Annex, Sand Silos, Indatha Triome , Kjeldoran Javelineer, comment:
6-0. I can't beat chancellor
36

Two sweeps in a row! Unless I miscalculated, which happens.



Should have played one of my other contenders:
Exotic Orchard, Icatian Store, Hammerhead Shark, Kjeldoran Javelineer
Overgrown Tomb, Deepwood Legate, Land Cap, Acolyte of Xathrid

I was surprised to see no Deepwood Legates and few Forests playing around it.

The first would have been illegal : the token is bounced and the frog becomes 3/3, beating the shark. Otherwise I never thought of deepwood legate, but I had a saprazzan Legate deck until I realized it was against mountains and not forests :/



I was very excited so I already commented that there are 28 different cards here. And the strategies too.
Race with a 2/2 and chump block once.
Forbidden Orchard specifically against Mistbreath's bounce.
Vigilance pro green, ft. The Lonely Island.
Block with an 0/3.
Shoot it down because it's on an island.
Steal it because it's on an island. (Maybe these two are the closest.)
Cumulative upkeep slowness with chancellor as the anti 2/2. (My Javelineers list was forced to play a blocker that could attack.)

7 different strategies and 28 different cards is indeed remarkable, I don't remember seeing that diversity, even when we played with bonuses or penalties for redundancies. Pretty cool.

And I really thought there would be at least one phyrexian walker!

[silkster]

Should have played one of my other contenders:
Exotic Orchard, Icatian Store, Hammerhead Shark, Kjeldoran Javelineer
Overgrown Tomb, Deepwood Legate, Land Cap, Acolyte of Xathrid

I was surprised to see no Deepwood Legates and few Forests playing around it.

The first would have been illegal : the token is bounced and the frog becomes 3/3, beating the shark. Otherwise I never thought of deepwood legate, but I had a saprazzan Legate deck until I realized it was against mountains and not forests :/

That's Exotic Orchard not your Forbidden Orchard. It's funny because I had Exotic Orchard in a few decks, like Icatian Store, Kjeldoran Javelineers, Exotic Orchard, Keeper of Progenitus, so when I read it I read the right one, but your mind was elsewhere.

As far as the Legate goes, I was expecting the copycat Overgrown Tomb, Deepwood Legate, Shanodin Dryads. I submitted the only deck I had that went 6-0 against this copycat.

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Grove of the Burnwillows, Elvish Spirit Guide, Thermo-Alchemist, Polar Kraken, comment:

GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Crookshank Kobolds, comment: Goblin paddle? - WW
dte: Goblin Champion, Bazaar of Baghdad, Big Game Hunter, Forbidden Orchard, comment: Goblin smash! With real vintage lands! - WW
Reeplcheep: Blightbeetle, Slayers Stronghold, Raffine's Tower, Sunbaked Canyon, comment: No phantasms please - LL
FTW: Stomping Ground, Svyelunite Temple, Dwarven Sea Clan, Taunting Kobold, comment: Dwarves! - WW
Silkster: Vesuva, Izzet Boilerworks, Mogg Toady, Seasinger, comment: Goblin smash! - WW
Tirrit: Chancellor of the Annex, Sand Silos, Indatha Triome , Kjeldoran Javelineer, comment: - LL

4l = 12 points

I probably should have stuck with exalted Dryad Arbor, blocking was too good.

[tirrit]

Tirrit: Chancellor of the Annex, Sand Silos, Indatha Triome , Kjeldoran Javelineer, comment:
I had a couple of different decks I was considering (including reep's deck, almost exactly!), but all of the interesting ones seemed to 0-6 vs force spike so I thought I'd try it.


GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Crookshank Kobolds, comment: Goblin paddle?
6-0 you have an extra spell to throw into the force spike.

dte: Goblin Champion, Bazaar of Baghdad, Big Game Hunter, Forbidden Orchard, comment: Goblin smash! With real vintage lands!
0-6 Wow this deck is brilliant. It's always a good sign when I look at it and I think "wait, that's illegal!" and turn out to be wrong. Here I was in the same boat as FTW and I thought both parts of the trigger were optional.

Reeplcheep: Blightbeetle, Slayers Stronghold, Raffine's Tower, Sunbaked Canyon, comment: No phantasms please
6-0 you can pay for force spike on the beetle (too bad stronghold taps for mana, right?)

Wrath of Pie: Grove of the Burnwillows, Elvish Spirit Guide, Thermo-Alchemist, Polar Kraken, comment:
0-6 you only have one thing and no extra mana.

FTW: Stomping Ground, Svyelunite Temple, Dwarven Sea Clan, Taunting Kobold, comment: Dwarves!
6-0 you have a spare spell to throw into the force spike.

Silkster: Vesuva, Izzet Boilerworks, Mogg Toady, Seasinger, comment: Goblin smash!
2-2 we stare. (I initially thought this was 6-0 because I forgot how useless vesuva is!)

20 points

[FTW]

Does Frog return Seasinger on upkeep, returning control to opponent in time to attack once before Seasinger can activate again?

[silkster]

Does Frog return Seasinger on upkeep, returning control to opponent in time to attack once before Seasinger can activate again?
I actually did forget about Frog returning my things on upkeep for a bit, but Frog returns Toady which I can recast. But, now that I think about it, the deck that I almost submitted that would have beaten dte was actually illegal.

[dte]

That's Exotic Orchard not your Forbidden Orchard. It's funny because I had Exotic Orchard in a few decks, like Icatian Store, Kjeldoran Javelineers, Exotic Orchard, Keeper of Progenitus, so when I read it I read the right one, but your mind was elsewhere.

Indeed, I mixed my orchards :/

[FTW]

As far as the Legate goes, I was expecting the copycat Overgrown Tomb, Deepwood Legate, Shanodin Dryads. I submitted the only deck I had that went 6-0 against this copycat.

Any deck with Forest loses to that. That's why I played Stomping Grounds (Forest). Was surprised to see no copycats and few Forest.

[silkster]

Any deck with Forest loses to that. That's why I played Stomping Grounds (Forest). Was surprised to see no copycats and few Forest.
Strangely enough, my Shanodin Dryads deck specifically ran a Forest because that's a weakness, but I wasn't doing that in my other decks because I was trying to run worse lands.

Our next ceiling deck is unambiguously the deck that went undefeated: Goblin Champion, Bazaar of Baghdad, Big Game Hunter, Forbidden Orchard,

Also banned are:
Rushwood Legate,
Tropical island,
Mistbreath Elder

Special note that Wood Elemental is once again legal. You wouldn't want to overlook that one by just automatically assuming that it's banned.

[Reeplcheep]

Reeplcheep: Blightbeetle, Slayers Stronghold, Raffine's Tower, Sunbaked Canyon, comment: No phantasms please
The most interesting thing to me was to figure out how to play island. Blightbeetle answered both the racing and bouncing very elegantly while being a 1/1.

GoblinSmashmaster: Crystal Vein, Simian Spirit Guide, Goblin Flotilla, Crookshank Kobolds, comment: Goblin paddle?
I have an Island. LL

dte: Goblin Champion, Bazaar of Baghdad, Big Game Hunter, Forbidden Orchard, comment: Goblin smash! With real vintage lands!
Elegant deck. WW

Wrath of Pie: Grove of the Burnwillows, Elvish Spirit Guide, Thermo-Alchemist, Polar Kraken, comment:
There weren't a ton of other ways to give the bug vigilance... WW

FTW: Stomping Ground, Svyelunite Temple, Dwarven Sea Clan, Taunting Kobold, comment: Dwarves!
I have an Island. LL

Silkster: Vesuva, Izzet Boilerworks, Mogg Toady, Seasinger, comment: Goblin smash!
I have an island LL

Tirrit: Chancellor of the Annex, Sand Silos, Indatha Triome , Kjeldoran Javelineer, comment:
I can pay for tax. WW

6w 6l for 18/36

[silkster]

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Checking now. No news is good news.

[silkster]

I'm here, but one entry seems to be illegal (FTW), and then the site was down for a while, so I'm going to wait a while.

[FTW]

I'm here, but one entry seems to be illegal (FTW), and then the site was down for a while, so I'm going to wait a while.

Thanks, did not see your message while the site was down. Submitted a new deck. Should be legal and allow round to proceed.

[silkster]

Round 4 - Ceiling

Reeplcheep: Cavern of Souls, Peat Bog, Rhonas the Indomitable , Master of the Feast, comment:
dte: The Mycosynth Gardens, Saprazzan Skerry, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
Tirrit: Darkslick Shores, Karakas, Wanted Scoundrels, Vantress Transmuter, comment:
Wrath of Pie: Saltcrusted Steppe, Baneslayer Angel, Gavony Township, Karakas, comment:
Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Volatile Stormdrake, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: but memnite is banned
GoblinSmashmaster: Ancient Tomb, Gruul Turf, Volley Veteran, Life of the Party, comment: Goblin smash!
FTW: Eldrazi Temple, Dimir Aqueduct, Thought-Knot Seer, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:

[dte]

Damn, missed the opportunity of a third sweep with strip mine/volatile stormdrake.

[silkster]

Reeplcheep: Cavern of Souls, Peat Bog, Rhonas the Indomitable , Master of the Feast, comment:
Master of the Feast is too good when I take it.
6-0

dte: The Mycosynth Gardens, Saprazzan Skerry, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
Our creatures can't evade one another, so it's DD instead of WL.
2-2

Tirrit: Darkslick Shores, Karakas, Wanted Scoundrels, Vantress Transmuter, comment:
I thought this was an easy win, but after stealing the scoundrels, I can't force them through the drake because trading gives you mana for the Transmuter. If only the scoundrels were a better card, like a 4/4 or gave 1 treasure!
2-2

Wrath of Pie: Saltcrusted Steppe, Baneslayer Angel, Gavony Township, Karakas, comment:
Dreadnought goes real fast.
6-0

Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Volatile Stormdrake, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: but memnite is banned

GoblinSmashmaster: Ancient Tomb, Gruul Turf, Volley Veteran, Life of the Party, comment: Goblin smash!
Dreadnought goes real fast.
6-0

FTW: Eldrazi Temple, Dimir Aqueduct, Thought-Knot Seer, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
I almost submitted this deck (with slightly different but equivalent lands). It took a bit of testing to decide that T3 drake and T3 seer was better than T2 drake and T4 seer. I knew this was WL against my deck, and these two decks were beating everything else I could come up with anyway, so I went with the faster game-ender. I had a bit of a restless night last night and was sure that Phyrexian Dreadnought would be the next floor and had already brewed a handful of decks for it, but I think this one sneaks ahead.
On my play, I kill fast enough. On your play you can eat one hit while clearing the drake from my hand.
3-3

When this round was first determined, I was a little worried and excited that the power level was going to be ridiculously low. That floor deck is so bad it barely functions. But it does have a removal spell, so you get to play some really powerful threats into that.

[FTW]

Damn, missed the opportunity of a third sweep with strip mine/volatile stormdrake.

Strip Mine is still banned right? I had considered it too

[dte]

Strip Mine is still banned right? I had considered it too

Not as far as I know?
No cards banned, full vintage open?

Otherwise same scores as Silkster.
Except I think the MU vs tirrit is 4-1.
Silkster /dte OTP:

T2 drake
T2 4/3
T3 dreadnought, attack t17
T3 curse, attack d16
T4 attack t13
T4 attack d12
T5 attack t9
T5 attack d8
T6 attack t5
T6 attack d4
T7 attack with Drake only, t2
T7 attack, block with cursed dreadnought
T8 kill tirrit.

[FTW]

Not as far as I know?
No cards banned, full vintage open?

Otherwise same scores as Silkster.

I thought we were continuing with the same banlist: Lab Man, Thassa, Jace, Strip Mine, Wasteland, Ghost Quarter, Volatile Fault. Is Thassa unbanned?

[silkster]

Everything is unbanned*. The initial ceiling season was beginning to circle around the broken stuff, so I wanted to put those away for more variety. And I did keep them last season as a precaution, but this time it's full vintage leaning on the ceiling/floor structure to keep Thassa's Oracle in check. Honestly, I haven't been thinking about it recently.

Did I miss a ceiling round when Oracle/Labman was legal?
*Jace, Wielder of Mysteries is banned for not being a creature.


Except I think the MU vs tirrit is 4-1.
Silkster /dte OTP:

T2 drake
...
T8 kill tirrit.
Oh, I missed going on the offensive outright with the drake. I think you're right. I had thought about going on the offensive when brainstorming the deck, but all the other creatures ended up being so powerful that it never happened in my own matches. I did not think of Wanted Scoundrels.

[FTW]

FTW: Eldrazi Temple, Dimir Aqueduct, Thought-Knot Seer, Volatile Stormdrake

My illegal Emrakul idea still only WL vs TKS but looked more fun. Past the deadline, I defaulted to my original idea. Turns out this was good.

Reeplcheep: Cavern of Souls, Peat Bog, Rhonas the Indomitable , Master of the Feast
If you play Master, Drake steals it & 4/4 + 5/5 races 3/2. If you don't play it, TKS takes it. WW 6-0

dte: The Mycosynth Gardens, Saprazzan Skerry, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Volatile Stormdrake
OTP if you play T2 Dreadnought, I play T3 TKS exiling Drake, I take 12, you take 4, then my Drake steals your 12/12 and I win the race.
If you play T2 Drake, TKS takes Dreadnought, then TKS beats down and I play Drake to block yours.
OTD you get T2 Dreadnought & attack for 12 before I can play anything. If I steal with Drake, you steal back and win. If I play TKS exiling your Drake, Dreadnought tramples over for exactly lethal before I could steal it.
WL 3-3

Tirrit: Darkslick Shores, Karakas, Wanted Scoundrels, Vantress Transmuter
Your removal is sorcery speed, so TKS exiles it. Then, if you haven't traded Scoundrels with TKS, Drake steals it and 4/4 + 4/3 races 3/2. WW 6-0

Wrath of Pie: Saltcrusted Steppe, Baneslayer Angel, Gavony Township, Karakas
You'd think Baneslayer would be protection from Drakes too, but it isn't. TKS takes it first. WW 6-0

Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Volatile Stormdrake, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought
Same as dte WL 3-3

GoblinSmashmaster: Ancient Tomb, Gruul Turf, Volley Veteran, Life of the Party
OTD you can play T3 Volley Veteran to have a 4/2 vs TKS, but then Drake steals it. WW 6-0

30 points (10 wins, 2 loss)


I really wanted to make Emrakul, the Aeons Torn work under T3 discard. Unfortunately large creatures like Elvish Piper, Hapless Researcher and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy beat the ceiling deck on their own! I thought I cracked it and submitted this illegal "copycat":
Saprazzan Skerry, Shelldock Isle, Magus of the Bazaar, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

Even 0/1 Magus is too big! It blocks 1 turn, then Champion loses the race. dte's last deck is very good at losing.

I also thought I found a way to cheat a 1/1 by using Tabernacle to kill the 1st Spirit if you cast your spell. But it doesn't work. You can play only Tabernacle, do nothing, and Champion cannot win through an endless wall of 1/1 blocks. Illegal "must play Tabernacle" decks:
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Lotus Vale, Intrepid Hero
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Dimir Aqueduct, Mesmeric Fiend, Volatile Stormdrake

[tirrit]

Tirrit: Darkslick Shores, Karakas, Wanted Scoundrels, Vantress Transmuter, comment:
I actually did figure out how to play emrakul. The trick is to cheat and play a non-creature spell to discard (that is still technically a creature card!): {shelldock isle, volcanic island, merchant of the vale, emrakul, the aeons torn}, but since this was the first deck I thought of I was worried everyone would be playing karakas. Turns out Emrakul would have served me a lot better than my anti-Emrakul deck.


Reeplcheep: Cavern of Souls, Peat Bog, Rhonas the Indomitable , Master of the Feast, comment:
I make master a 1/1 and then race it since Rhonas is pacified. I also could bounce Rhonas. 6-0

dte: The Mycosynth Gardens, Saprazzan Skerry, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
I agree with your assessment. 1-4

Wrath of Pie: Saltcrusted Steppe, Baneslayer Angel, Gavony Township, Karakas, comment:
A fellow Emrakul-fearing citizen! When I'm on the draw Baneslayer angel comes down on your turn 5, and I am attacking for the 3rd time on my turn 5, dropping you to 8. I also curse the angel. You would be able to activate gavony on turns 9 and 12 to stabilize. You attack me on your turns 6 to 8, gaining 3 while I deal 12 killing you or forcing the chump which is winning. 6-0

Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Volatile Stormdrake, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: but memnite is banned
1-4 as with dte

GoblinSmashmaster: Ancient Tomb, Gruul Turf, Volley Veteran, Life of the Party, comment: Goblin smash!
I curse volley veteran and then race it. 6-0

FTW: Eldrazi Temple, Dimir Aqueduct, Thought-Knot Seer, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
TKS beats my sorcery speed removal plan. I sure wish you'd figured out and played emrakul! 0-6

20 points

[Wrath of Pie]

I dismissed Emrakul because the extra turn from the cast trigger makes a difference against the ceiling, so it would have been illegal. (I was ready for Kozilek though!)

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Bigger than goblins"

Reeplcheep: Cavern of Souls, Peat Bog, Rhonas the Indomitable , Master of the Feast, comment:
Bigger than goblins :( 0-6

dte: The Mycosynth Gardens, Saprazzan Skerry, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
Bigger than goblins :( 0-6

Tirrit: Darkslick Shores, Karakas, Wanted Scoundrels, Vantress Transmuter, comment:
Bigger than goblins :( 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Saltcrusted Steppe, Baneslayer Angel, Gavony Township, Karakas, comment:
Bigger than goblins :( 0-6

Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Volatile Stormdrake, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: but memnite is banned
Bigger than goblins :( 0-6

GoblinSmashmaster: Ancient Tomb, Gruul Turf, Volley Veteran, Life of the Party, comment: Goblin smash!
Goblins :(

FTW: Eldrazi Temple, Dimir Aqueduct, Thought-Knot Seer, Volatile Stormdrake, comment:
Bigger than goblins :( 0-6

0 goblin points

[dte]

So FTW's TKS/drake is the new floor deck, right?

[silkster]

So FTW's TKS/drake is the new floor deck, right?

Correct. Goblin Champion, Big Game Hunter, Forbidden Orchard, and Bazaar of Baghdad remain banned.

[tirrit]

I dismissed Emrakul because the extra turn from the cast trigger makes a difference against the ceiling, so it would have been illegal. (I was ready for Kozilek though!)

You're right, it would have had to be shivan reef to deal with the extra turn/ambush as fog

[silkster]

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Forgot what day it was. Looking now, updating shortly.

[silkster]

Decks look legal, but missing Reeplcheep. I'll wait until the end of the day, about 12 hours.

Edit: I posted the lists, but they're on page 57 which isn't loading for me for some reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Hopefully they load soon.

[silkster]

No show, but might as well carry on.

Round 5

dte: Tarnished Citadel, Hissing Quagmire, Vesuva, Goldmeadow Dodger, comment: gold dodger, gold roger
GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Crazed Goblin, Ancient Tomb, Giant Killer, comment: Goblin Smash!
Wrath of Pie: Shadowblood Ridge, Elvish Spirit Guide, Brain Maggot, Phage the Untouchable, comment:
Tirrit: Peat Bog, Brain Maggot, Sleeper Agent, Wood Elemental, comment: This Deck seems very draw-ish but I can't come with anything better, and sleeper agent is fun!
Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Gemstone Mine, Intrepid Hero, Will-o'-the-Wisp, comment: two blocks
FTW: Remote Farm, Exotic Orchard, Dutiful Thrull, Spiketail Hatchling, comment:

[FTW]

Strange, I can't access page 57 either but I see the lists if I reply. Something's wrong with the site.

Edit: Vesuva needing UB was much smarter than Orchard needing U & B. Orchard is satisfied by all the rainbow lands, but Vesuva isn't. I thought Vesuva ETB tapped would be too slow vs TKS & Drake, but the manland does it.

[dte]

dte: Tarnished Citadel, Hissing Quagmire, Vesuva, Goldmeadow Dodger, comment: gold dodger, gold roger
Me, trying vesuva

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Crazed Goblin, Ancient Tomb, Giant Killer, comment: Goblin Smash!
6-0, giant killer is 1/2!
6

Wrath of Pie: Shadowblood Ridge, Elvish Spirit Guide, Brain Maggot, Phage the Untouchable, comment:
4-1
10

Tirrit: Peat Bog, Brain Maggot, Sleeper Agent, Wood Elemental, comment: This Deck seems very draw-ish but I can't come with anything better, and sleeper agent is fun!
2-2.
12

Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Gemstone Mine, Intrepid Hero, Will-o'-the-Wisp, comment: two blocks
2-2
14

FTW: Remote Farm, Exotic Orchard, Dutiful Thrull, Spiketail Hatchling, comment:
6-0, regenerate and flying beat me
20

I was sure there would be some painter servant!
Soltari soldier instead of golddodger would have made the sweep. Instead it is quite a few draws.

[FTW]

FTW: Remote Farm, Exotic Orchard, Dutiful Thrull, Spiketail Hatchling


dte: Tarnished Citadel, Hissing Quagmire, Vesuva, Goldmeadow Dodger
You never have to play Citadel or Quagmire. You can do nothing. Then I never get U or B.
If I play Remote Farm to cast my Thrull, you play Vesuva copying it, then you play your 1/1 too. You play no more lands. I can't Regenerate, so we draw.
DD 2-2
Disagree

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Crazed Goblin, Ancient Tomb, Giant Killer
You must play Citadel, which gives me U & B. I get 1/1 Thrull & 1/1 Hatchling. You get both creatures and can pay the tax. Goblin must attack into my Thrull, then Thrull can regenerate to block 1/2 forever while Hatchling slowly kills you.
WW 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Shadowblood Ridge, Elvish Spirit Guide, Brain Maggot, Phage the Untouchable
T1 Maggot exiles my Thrull, I never get blue mana. LL 6-0

Tirrit: Peat Bog, Brain Maggot, Sleeper Agent, Wood Elemental
OTD you T2 exile my Thrull, and I never get blue mana
OTP I play T2 Thrull, you play Maggot. I can regenerate so you can't attack me and I could force a draw. If I try to attack, you attack back [19-19]. The same repeats. If I ever attack you down to 2, you attack me to 2 and play Sleeper Agent (killing me on upkeep). Therefore I can never finish attacking you. So I defend and we draw.
DL 4-1

Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Gemstone Mine, Intrepid Hero, Will-o'-the-Wisp
This is interesting because you can give me both colors, but you can also destroy your own lands to deprive me of colors.
OTD you play T2 Hero, I play T2 Hatchling + Thrull. You can play Wisp, Regenerate-block once to stall, then deprive me of black. My Thrull trades with Hero, but Hatchling wins.
If you don't play out lands, Thrull gets there.
WW 0-6

12 points (3 loss, 3 draw, 3 win)

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Shadowblood Ridge, Elvish Spirit Guide, Brain Maggot, Phage the Untouchable, comment:

dte: Tarnished Citadel, Hissing Quagmire, Vesuva, Goldmeadow Dodger, comment: gold dodger, gold roger - WD
GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Crazed Goblin, Ancient Tomb, Giant Killer, comment: Goblin Smash! - WL
Tirrit: Peat Bog, Brain Maggot, Sleeper Agent, Wood Elemental, comment: This Deck seems very draw-ish but I can't come with anything better, and sleeper agent is fun! - WW
Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Gemstone Mine, Intrepid Hero, Will-o'-the-Wisp, comment: two blocks - WW
FTW: Remote Farm, Exotic Orchard, Dutiful Thrull, Spiketail Hatchling, comment: - WW

1l1d = 4 points

I should have noticed that waiting until turn 2 to cast Brain Maggot was legal. Instead I didn't and cost myself so many points.

EDIT: tirrit pointed out that casting Brain Maggot was not legal at all! Instead I cost myself all the points.

[dte]

FTW: Remote Farm, Exotic Orchard, Dutiful Thrull, Spiketail Hatchling


dte: Tarnished Citadel, Hissing Quagmire, Vesuva, Goldmeadow Dodger
You never have to play Citadel or Quagmire. You can do nothing. Then I never get U or B.
If I play Remote Farm to cast my Thrull, you play Vesuva copying it, then you play your 1/1 too. You play no more lands. I can't Regenerate, so we draw.
DD 2-2
Disagree


You're right, it's a draw.

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Play 1/1"

dte: Tarnished Citadel, Hissing Quagmire, Vesuva, Goldmeadow Dodger, comment: gold dodger, gold roger
Giant smash! 0-6

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Crazed Goblin, Ancient Tomb, Giant Killer, comment: Goblin Smash!
That's me, playing a 1/2 :(

Wrath of Pie: Shadowblood Ridge, Elvish Spirit Guide, Brain Maggot, Phage the Untouchable, comment:
Giant smash, then discard 3-3

Tirrit: Peat Bog, Brain Maggot, Sleeper Agent, Wood Elemental, comment: This Deck seems very draw-ish but I can't come with anything better, and sleeper agent is fun!
Giant smash! 0-6

Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Gemstone Mine, Intrepid Hero, Will-o'-the-Wisp, comment: two blocks
Giant smash! 0-6

FTW: Remote Farm, Exotic Orchard, Dutiful Thrull, Spiketail Hatchling, comment:
Regenerate 6-0

9 nongoblin points

[tirrit]

I think Wrath of Pie's deck is illegal, because the target deck can trade stormdrake for maggot, choose not to pay the energy so that maggot dies, and then play tks a turn later and still race the drake (5 turn clock vs 7 turn clock that attacks twice before the 5 turn clock attacks is still fast enough). I could be wrong about that, but it reads like it's optional to pay the energy to me. If I'm wrong, then my deck is unnecessarily powerful!

[tirrit]

Tirrit: Peat Bog, Brain Maggot, Sleeper Agent, Wood Elemental, comment: This Deck seems very draw-ish but I can't come with anything better, and sleeper agent is fun!


dte: Tarnished Citadel, Hissing Quagmire, Vesuva, Goldmeadow Dodger, comment: gold dodger, gold roger
2-2 but I will say that soltari soldier would not have swept because I would have scored 6 points against your deck with a shadow creature.

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Crazed Goblin, Ancient Tomb, Giant Killer, comment: Goblin Smash!
4-1 Disagreement. When I'm on the play, you only get to play out the 1/2 before my maggot comes down, and then you can't race me because you've taken 3 (and I also have sleeper agent if you ever go down to 2)

Wrath of Pie: Shadowblood Ridge, Elvish Spirit Guide, Brain Maggot, Phage the Untouchable, comment:
6-0 but I think this deck is illegal

Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Gemstone Mine, Intrepid Hero, Will-o'-the-Wisp, comment: two blocks
1-4 when I'm on the play I get to take your hero. On the draw we just trade one ones.

FTW: Remote Farm, Exotic Orchard, Dutiful Thrull, Spiketail Hatchling, comment:
1-4 I realize now that I should have played two lands (like saprazzan skerry plus a 1 mana black land of some kind so that I have the same colours as the target deck) instead of the wood elemental, to make myself more vulnerable to vesuva and similar things


14 points, 8 if you exclude WoP

[Wrath of Pie]

I think Wrath of Pie's deck is illegal, because the target deck can trade stormdrake for maggot, choose not to pay the energy so that maggot dies, and then play tks a turn later and still race the drake (5 turn clock vs 7 turn clock that attacks twice before the 5 turn clock attacks is still fast enough). I could be wrong about that, but it reads like it's optional to pay the energy to me. If I'm wrong, then my deck is unnecessarily powerful!

Oh good fast Brain Maggot is terrible and illegal! I am still terrible at this format.

(I think that you might have the same issue with Stormdrake unless Sleeper Agent does things somehow.)

[dte]

dte: Tarnished Citadel, Hissing Quagmire, Vesuva, Goldmeadow Dodger, comment: gold dodger, gold roger
2-2 but I will say that soltari soldier would not have swept because I would have scored 6 points against your deck with a shadow creature.

Disagree, maggot would have raced the soldier with a 3 damage head up.
But given FTW's deck, it should have been Changeling Outcast for a sweep. Anyway too late now :/

@Wo: damn, and from so close, your deck wins OTP and leave them at 1 life OTD :(

[tirrit]

Disagree, maggot would have raced the soldier with a 3 damage head up.
But given FTW's deck, it should have been Changeling Outcast for a sweep. Anyway too late now :/

@Wo: damn, and from so close, your deck wins OTP and leave them at 1 life OTD :(

No but your vesuva gets to copy my peat bog so you can animate your manland to block the maggot, right?

[silkster]

dte: Tarnished Citadel, Hissing Quagmire, Vesuva, Goldmeadow Dodger, comment: gold dodger, gold roger
I tried playing Vesuva using the eldrazi mana to cast a 3-mana changeling, but any sol land or charge land could empower it, so it was pretty bad. This is a nice find.
2-2

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Crazed Goblin, Ancient Tomb, Giant Killer, comment: Goblin Smash!
I tried really hard to play Chop Down last week, but I couldn't find a way to cast it without also being able to cast Giant Killer.
2 creatures beat my 1.
6-0

Wrath of Pie: Shadowblood Ridge, Elvish Spirit Guide, Brain Maggot, Phage the Untouchable, comment:
The hero is but a dream.
6-0

Tirrit: Peat Bog, Brain Maggot, Sleeper Agent, Wood Elemental, comment: This Deck seems very draw-ish but I can't come with anything better, and sleeper agent is fun!
I lose if Maggot catches the hero, otherwise they trade.
4-1

Silkster: Saprazzan Skerry, Gemstone Mine, Intrepid Hero, Will-o'-the-Wisp, comment: two blocks
A few hours after submitting, I panicked that I couldn't play both my creatures before TKS gets to take one, but then I remembered that I force the TKS to come out second after landing the hero.

FTW: Remote Farm, Exotic Orchard, Dutiful Thrull, Spiketail Hatchling, comment:
I had none of anyone else's cards in my list, but I had a Spiketail Hatchling deck. It was paired with a deathtoucher, so it was too powerful and I abandoned it. The only sometimes regenerater is nice. I was thinking you could do something like cost more mana to regenerate, but the depletion land probably would have given you one regenerate, which is what you were trying to avoid. I was the one looking for a small number of regeneration activation.
The hatchling flies over while the thrull holds the ground
6-0

After our recent discussion of land-killing lands, I'm surprised no one played one and not too many people played around one. When I saw that, I wished I had played Volatile Fault with Shivan Gorge and a charge land, but it turns out that it wouldn't have done any better.

It seems that the hero was won the day.
Our next ceiling deck is: Saprazzan Skerry, Gemstone Mine, Intrepid Hero, Will-o'-the-Wisp

Still banned are:
Eldrazi Temple
Dimir Aqueduct
Thought-Knot Seer
Volatile Stormdrake.

[tirrit]

Oh good fast Brain Maggot is terrible and illegal! I am still terrible at this format.

(I think that you might have the same issue with Stormdrake unless Sleeper Agent does things somehow.)

Yeah that's what the sleeper agent is for:

On the draw I land brain maggot on turn 2. Opp immediately takes maggot and sacrifices it. I cast sleeper agent and attack for "5" (3 from drake plus 2 from sleeper on upkeep). Opp attacks for 3 with sleeper agent and casts tks. I have a 3 turn unblockable clock (5 per turn 15 life), they have 7 damage per turn but I have 17 life so it's also a three turn clock and I'm going first.

[dte]

No but your vesuva gets to copy my peat bog so you can animate your manland to block the maggot, right?

True indeed! I missed that.

[tirrit]

True indeed! I missed that.

I think that it's still a better deck with the unblockable creature that can't block, though, just because our scoring system discourages drawing.

[silkster]

eceafd91669319e31960545a8c4c9b6a9d8de0e4d55e00314c109650ddb366cc

Checkin'.

[silkster]

Entries are in, but I think GSM's deck is illegal. I'll give some time. (Sorry this check was so late.)

Oh, also FTW's I think. PMs with explanation sent to both.

FTW's has been fixed.

Both fixed. And I think I was right about them being illegal. Yay! That's my victory for the week.

[silkster]

Round 6 - Ceiling

dte: Master of the Feast, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Peat bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, comment:
Reeplcheep : Oversoul of Dusk, Oversoul of Dusk, Hollow Trees, Fountain of Cho, comment:
Tirrit: Boseiju, Who Endures, Durkwood Baloth, Golgari Rotfarm, Lupine Prototype, comment:
Wrath of Pie: Karakas, Dreadship Reef, Orzhova, the Church of Deals, Gilded Drake, comment: Maybe my entry's legal?
FTW: Peat Bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Lupine Prototype, comment: CopyNought
Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Boseiju, Who Endures, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: twelve is too large
GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Peat Bog, Goblin Mutant, Plaguecrafter, comment: Goblin smash!

[Reeplcheep]

Reeplcheep : Oversoul of Dusk, Oversoul of Dusk, Hollow Trees, Fountain of Cho, comment:
Me, thinking everyone will play blue or black removal.

dte: Master of the Feast, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Peat bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, comment:
LL

Tirrit: Boseiju, Who Endures, Durkwood Baloth, Golgari Rotfarm, Lupine Prototype, comment:
LL

Wrath of Pie: Karakas, Dreadship Reef, Orzhova, the Church of Deals, Gilded Drake, comment: Maybe my entry's legal?
WW

FTW: Peat Bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Lupine Prototype, comment: CopyNought
LL

Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Boseiju, Who Endures, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: twelve is too large
LL

GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Peat Bog, Goblin Mutant, Plaguecrafter, comment: Goblin smash!
LL


2w 10L for 6/36

[tirrit]

Tirrit: Boseiju, Who Endures, Durkwood Baloth, Golgari Rotfarm, Lupine Prototype, comment:
I really liked that I got to play boseiju and use it to suspend baloth, then bounce it to get the rotfarm into play and eventually use it as a pseudo assassin's trophy. I had some other deck ideas but I was always going to play some version of this one because of how nicely the pieces work together.



dte: Master of the Feast, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Peat bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, comment:
3-3. On the play I can just barely race your flyer because the baloth comes into play just in time on turn 6. On the draw I get destroyed. I thought that Boseiju meant I would win against the dreadnought decks, but I was really leaning hard on blocking to let my card advantage take over since my 5/5s are slower.

Reeplcheep : Oversoul of Dusk, Oversoul of Dusk, Hollow Trees, Fountain of Cho, comment:
6-0. My 5/5s come down faster.

Wrath of Pie: Karakas, Dreadship Reef, Orzhova, the Church of Deals, Gilded Drake, comment: Maybe my entry's legal?
6-0. Boseiju hitting dreadship reef wins.

FTW: Peat Bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Lupine Prototype, comment: CopyNought
6-0. On the draw: you attack with dreadnought clone on turn 3 putting me to 8 and I kill it on my turn 3 with Boseiju. You attack with prototype on turn 4 putting me to 3, and then I play my own prototype and block until baloth comes down. Then I can attack with one 5/5 while holding the other back to win.

Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Boseiju, Who Endures, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: twelve is too large
3-3. The turn 3 Boseiju mirror where whoever gets to boseiju the other's land first wins. I actually do get to make one 5/5 on the draw but it's not as big as your 12/12 and it comes down afterward, so definitely still losing.

GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Peat Bog, Goblin Mutant, Plaguecrafter, comment: Goblin smash!
6-0. On the play I hit one of your lands before you cast any spells, winning. On the draw if you cast plaguecrafter first, I discard prototype and boseiju a land to keep you off the mutant and then baloth eventually wins. If you cast mutant first then I boseiju a land to keep you off of plague crafter. You get to hit me once and then I play prototype to block and once baloth comes down my 2 5/5s can get into the red zone.



30 points

[FTW]

FTW: Peat Bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Lupine Prototype, comment: CopyNought

I submitted City of Traitors, which was better but illegal - too fast OTP. I quickly changed to Peat Bog without time to think it through. This build is a bit too slow now. I didn't want a 1BB threat because it must be played before Nought. I wanted Gilded Drake, but Skerry was banned. I considered LD but it was a turn too fast in this configuration with a depletion land. T3 Boseiju was smart.


dte: Master of the Feast, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Peat bog, The Mycosynth Gardens
You must sequence T2 Master first, otherwise I have more threats than you. I thought that would give me the edge, but flying matters more.
OTP you can block with T3 Nought at 8 life, then block Lupine with Master.
OTD you can block before I get a life advantage, then Master is free to race in the air.
DL 1-4

Reeplcheep : Oversoul of Dusk, Oversoul of Dusk, Hollow Trees, Fountain of Cho
Dreadnought is fast.
WW 6-0

Tirrit: Boseiju, Who Endures, Durkwood Baloth, Golgari Rotfarm, Lupine Prototype
OTP you stabilize at 3 life after T3 Boseiju T4 Lupine, then Baloth wins.
OTD I can troll you by not playing Nought, then you have to hold back Boseiju and Lupine can't attack. Eventually Baloth resolves though, forcing my action.
LL 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Karakas, Dreadship Reef, Orzhova, the Church of Deals, Gilded Drake
OTP T2 Lupine + suiNought / no Drake yet
T3 hold up mana & attack with Lupine
Now if you steal Lupine, I respond with Mycosynth Gardens X=2 activation making a 2nd Lupine. Then I have Drake + Lupine vs Lupine.
OTD I awkwardly can't play anything into Gilded Drake, Lupine isn't hellbent, then the Church kills me.
WL 3-3

Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Boseiju, Who Endures, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought
LL 0-6
Edit: Boseiju needs 1 charge counter. Dreadnought needs 2 if you use Boseiju. Speed helps me!

OTP T2 Nought, T3 Lupine & Attack 12 [S=8]. Then you must Boseiju. T4 Lupine attack [S=3]. Not enough mana for Dreadnought yet. W

OTD T2 Lupine. Not worth Boseiju & you don't have Nought mana yet. T3 Nought [S=15].
Now if you Boseiju mine (1 charge left), Lupine attacks [S=10], you charge again, Lupine attacks [S=5], now Dreadnought. But Dreadnought can't attack. Draw.
If you instead do T4 Nought to challenge mine, I attack into it. If you don't block, Nought + Lupine wins on next attack before you have Boseiju mana. So you must give up Nought and play for the draw here too.
WD 4-1

GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Peat Bog, Goblin Mutant, Plaguecrafter
T2 Lupine first, then T3 Nought. Then I'm protected from Plaguecrafter.
WW 6-0

20 points (6 wins, 2 draw, 4 loss)

[dte]

dte: Master of the Feast, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Peat bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, comment:
Me, playing dreadnought

Reeplcheep : Oversoul of Dusk, Oversoul of Dusk, Hollow Trees, Fountain of Cho, comment:
6-0
6

Tirrit: Boseiju, Who Endures, Durkwood Baloth, Golgari Rotfarm, Lupine Prototype, comment:
3-3
9

Wrath of Pie: Karakas, Dreadship Reef, Orzhova, the Church of Deals, Gilded Drake, comment: Maybe my entry's legal?
6-0, I play only master
15

FTW: Peat Bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Lupine Prototype, comment: CopyNought
4-1, fllying take it OTP
19

Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Boseiju, Who Endures, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: twelve is too large
6-0, twelve is too slow, see below
25

GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Peat Bog, Goblin Mutant, Plaguecrafter, comment: Goblin smash!
6-0
31

It's close with tirrit with so many MUs maybe miscalculated. Bosejiu was so not on my radar. I am surprised to see no chancellor of the annex nor kozilek though.
I am also surprised with the difference between lupine and master, I thought lupine was better vs chancellor while master was better in the mirror which mattered more, but it seems suite different - or I got some MUs wrong. I think FTW should 3-3 Silkster though, not 0-6, lupine can attack twice before dreadnought comes down.

Vs Silkster OTP
S1 grove
d1 bog
S2 G1, gardens
d2 master
S3: bosejiu or dreadnought or wait

S3 bosejiu
d3 S15
S4 G1
d4 S10
S5 G2
d5 S5
S6 dread too late

S3 bosejiu as land, dreadnought
d3 dreadnought, S15
S4 attack, trade, master takes it

S3 wait, G2
d3 dreadnought, S15
S4 dreadnought would trade, S4 bosejiu on dreadnought is the same as bosejiu T3

[tirrit]

dte: Master of the Feast, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Peat bog, The Mycosynth Gardens
You must sequence T2 Master first, otherwise I have more threats than you. I thought that would give me the edge, but flying matters more.
OTP you can block with T3 Nought at 8 life, then block Lupine with Master.
OTD you can block before I get a life advantage, then Master is free to race in the air.
DL 1-4



I think this is 2-2:
With dte on the play dte plays master on 2, FTW dreadnought. dte makes a tapped dreadnought on 3 and attacks FTW to 15. FTW puts dte to 8 and makes a 5/5. dte can hold back to block at this point and draw, but suppose he attacks with both: ftw chumps dreadnought with his 5/5 and takes 12 going to 3 and then wins on the crackback. If dte attacks with only dreadnought, ftw can take it and survive at 3 and win on the crackback. If dte attacks with only master ftw goes to 10 and attacks with both. Dte must block and trade dreadnoughts and go to 3. Now he can't attack as he doesn't have lethal and FTW does.

[dte]

I think this is 2-2:
With dte on the play dte plays master on 2, FTW dreadnought. dte makes a tapped dreadnought on 3 and attacks FTW to 15. FTW puts dte to 8 and makes a 5/5. dte can hold back to block at this point and draw, but suppose he attacks with both: ftw chumps dreadnought with his 5/5 and takes 12 going to 3 and then wins on the crackback. If dte attacks with only dreadnought, ftw can take it and survive at 3 and win on the crackback. If dte attacks with only master ftw goes to 10 and attacks with both. Dte must block and trade dreadnoughts and go to 3. Now he can't attack as he doesn't have lethal and FTW does.

Dreadnought doesn't have to be tapped, you can choose if you keep the copy or the original.

The mirror is the reason I chose master :)

[FTW]

It's close with tirrit with so many MUs maybe miscalculated. Bosejiu was so not on my radar. I am surprised to see no chancellor of the annex nor kozilek though.
I am also surprised with the difference between lupine and master, I thought lupine was better vs chancellor while master was better in the mirror which mattered more, but it seems suite different - or I got some MUs wrong. I think FTW should 3-3 Silkster though, not 0-6, lupine can attack twice before dreadnought comes down.

You're right. Silkster has the answers but speed matters. It's even WD 4-1, since I can force silkster into a position where Dreadnought must stay on defense to stop Lupine.

I was in a similar ballpark to you. Other idea:
Chancellor of the Annex, charge land, Field of Ruin, 2nd creature

But T4 LD seemed slow (T3 beats the ceiling with Chancellor). Dreadnought + Lupine got under it.

Considered Kozilek. Shelldock can activate at instant speed ambushing Intrepid Hero, so the ceiling deck can only draw. Other enablers seemed worse than Dreadnought. Flying matterred with so many 5/5s played!

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Karakas, Dreadship Reef, Orzhova, the Church of Deals, Gilded Drake, comment: Maybe my entry's legal?

dte: Master of the Feast, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Peat bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, comment: - LL
Reeplcheep : Oversoul of Dusk, Oversoul of Dusk, Hollow Trees, Fountain of Cho, comment: - LL
Tirrit: Boseiju, Who Endures, Durkwood Baloth, Golgari Rotfarm, Lupine Prototype, comment: - LL
FTW: Peat Bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Lupine Prototype, comment: CopyNought - WL
Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Boseiju, Who Endures, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: twelve is too large - LL
GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Peat Bog, Goblin Mutant, Plaguecrafter, comment: Goblin smash! - LL

1w = 3 points

Karakas ended up being useless other than being a white source.

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinCraftmaster Results for Round Artifat

dte: Master of the Feast, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Peat bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, comment:
12/12 smash :( 0-6

Reeplcheep : Oversoul of Dusk, Oversoul of Dusk, Hollow Trees, Fountain of Cho, comment:
Goblin smash! 6-0

Tirrit: Boseiju, Who Endures, Durkwood Baloth, Golgari Rotfarm, Lupine Prototype, comment:
Baloth smash :( 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Karakas, Dreadship Reef, Orzhova, the Church of Deals, Gilded Drake, comment: Maybe my entry's legal?
Goblin smash! 6-0

FTW: Peat Bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Lupine Prototype, comment: CopyNought
12/12 smash :( 0-6

Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Boseiju, Who Endures, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: twelve is too large
12/12 smash :( 0-6

GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Peat Bog, Goblin Mutant, Plaguecrafter, comment: Goblin smash!
That's me, being crafty with Goblins!

12 goblin points vs 12/12s!

[tirrit]

Dreadnought doesn't have to be tapped, you can choose if you keep the copy or the original.

The mirror is the reason I chose master :)

I was so focused on the fact that the land copy doesn't have the trigger that I didn't think of saccing it to pay the other's trigger.

[silkster]

Round - Dreadnought Boogey Man

dte: Master of the Feast, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Peat Bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, comment:
I assumed Dreadnought was the card to beat and I thought so much about ways to kill it that I overlooked playing a second threat. You are much too fast for me.
I remember thinking that Master of the Feast would be good in 4cb when it got spoiled, but then I forgot about it. And then it got played this season, and I still wasn't thinking of it. :tongue:
0-6

Reeplcheep : Oversoul of Dusk, Oversoul of Dusk, Hollow Trees, Fountain of Cho, comment:
I'm fast enough here to remove a land on T3 and play Dreadnought on T6.
6-0

Tirrit: Boseiju, Who Endures, Durkwood Baloth, Golgari Rotfarm, Lupine Prototype, comment:
The Boseiju mirror is WL. I appreciate the elegant use of resources.
3-3

Wrath of Pie: Karakas, Dreadship Reef, Orzhova, the Church of Deals, Gilded Drake, comment: Maybe my entry's legal?
Killing the blue source protects my threat.
6-0

FTW: Peat Bog, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Lupine Prototype, comment: CopyNought
I think I can get a draw on the play, regardless of whether you play Prototype or Dreadnought on turn 2.
1-4

Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Boseiju, Who Endures, The Mycosynth Gardens, Phyrexian Dreadnought, comment: twelve is too large


GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Peat Bog, Goblin Mutant, Plaguecrafter, comment: Goblin smash!
On the play, I disrupt your lands. On the draw, you lead on the Mutant on turn 3, then I hit a land, you hit me on turns 4, 5, and 6, then I land Dreadnought. But I'm at too little life to attack, and the Mutant specifies untapped creature with power 3 or greater.
4-1

[tirrit]

You're right. Silkster has the answers but speed matters. It's even WD 4-1, since I can force silkster into a position where Dreadnought must stay on defense to stop Lupine.

I was in a similar ballpark to you. Other idea:
Chancellor of the Annex, charge land, Field of Ruin, 2nd creature

But T4 LD seemed slow (T3 beats the ceiling with Chancellor). Dreadnought + Lupine got under it.

Considered Kozilek. Shelldock can activate at instant speed ambushing Intrepid Hero, so the ceiling deck can only draw. Other enablers seemed worse than Dreadnought. Flying matterred with so many 5/5s played!

Kozilek is legal but you have to play forbidden orchard so that the hero deck can attack into the ambush with a 1/1 you had to give in order to discard kozilek. This made it feel a lot weaker since it basically only has annihilator 2 on the first swing. Might be good enough, might not. Also you don't win vs dreadnought on the draw even when the annihilator trigger would be enough

[silkster]

Looks like Master of the Feast takes the round to become the next floor deck.

Master of the Feast, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Peat bog, The Mycosynth Gardens,

Also banned:
Saprazzan Skerry,
Gemstone Mine,
Intrepid Hero,
Will-o'-the-Wisp

[silkster]

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Taking a look. Pms will be sent as necessary.

[silkster]

Round 7

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Sarpadian Simulacrum, Ingot Chewer, Wispmare, comment: Goblin smash!
dte: King's Assassin, Vesuva, Shivan Gorge, Dwarven Hold, comment:
Reeplcheep : Vivid Meadow, Goldmeadow Dodger, Mistblade Shinobi, Mistblade Shinobi, comment: Limbo
Tirrit: Remote Farm, Duskrider Falcon, Twining Twins, Island of Wak-Wak, comment: This is my anti-vesuva deck, so I very much look forward to seeing no one on vesuva this week.
Silkster: Holdout Settlement, Arcbound Worker, Wispmare, Ingot Chewer, comment: hunting parasites
FTW: Rainbow Vale, Magus of the Vineyard, Stormkeld Vanguard, Stormkeld Vanguard, comment: Oops! All Creatures
Wrath of Pie: Island of Wak-Wak, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Mercadian Bazaar, Shivan Gorge, comment:

[silkster]

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Sarpadian Simulacrum, Ingot Chewer, Wispmare, comment: Goblin smash!
Wispmare, Ingot Chewer, Beluna's Gatekeeper, Sidisi's Faithful, and Stromkeld Vanguard were the only cards I could think of for quite a while. I see you're playing around them with the very nicely chosen goblin. But I can never evoke my Ingot Chewer.
6-0

dte: King's Assassin, Vesuva, Shivan Gorge, Dwarven Hold, comment:
I forgot about Vesuva this round, despite working so hard to play it in previous rounds. Oops.
0-6

Reeplcheep : Vivid Meadow, Goldmeadow Dodger, Mistblade Shinobi, Mistblade Shinobi, comment: Limbo
I somehow forgot about Goldmeadow Dodger despite it being played a few rounds ago. I had the 1/1 Shadow in on of my lists. I also was not going to think of this, bending over backwards to sneak under the big creatures.
2-2

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Duskrider Falcon, Twining Twins, Island of Wak-Wak, comment: This is my anti-vesuva deck, so I very much look forward to seeing no one on vesuva this week.
I totally forgot about Island of Wak-Wak, despite your prior waksing about it!
I thought this was DD, but when you're on the play you're only one turn behind in the race, and flickering my guy gets you ahead.
4-1.

Silkster: Holdout Settlement, Arcbound Worker, Wispmare, Ingot Chewer, comment: hunting parasites
The one other thing I thought to play was a quick Hex Parasite. I had a hard time finding a deck with a charge land, so I went with counters on a creature. It didn't matter though.

FTW: Rainbow Vale, Magus of the Vineyard, Stormkeld Vanguard, Stormkeld Vanguard, comment: Oops! All Creatures
Artifact removal. Phew!
6-0
Edit: oops. I noticed you giving mana to others but not me.
0-6

Wrath of Pie: Island of Wak-Wak, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Mercadian Bazaar, Shivan Gorge, comment:[/QUOTE]
Oh man, I forgot about Tabernacle too! The oops all lands is quite nice.
0-6

A perfectly balanced 50% record! -no longer balanced :(

I thought I'd do better this round, but I'm pleased by the diversity of decks. Some doubling of ideas in Shivan Gorge and evoke shatter+demistify, but carried out differently.

[FTW]

FTW: Rainbow Vale, Magus of the Vineyard, Stormkeld Vanguard, Stormkeld Vanguard, comment: Oops! All Creatures

"Oops!" as in I don't have lands to recast my creatures or pay taxes, and you get +3 mana to cast more creatures!

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Sarpadian Simulacrum, Ingot Chewer, Wispmare
Bear Down kills your Goblin, but Magus + Rainbow Vale gives you mana to hardcast Wispmare (1 short of Ingot). Citadel puts you too far behind to race, but Wispmare can block.
DD 2-2

dte: King's Assassin, Vesuva, Shivan Gorge, Dwarven Hold
If I cast Magus, you get Rainbow Vale, copy it with Vesuva, and cast Assassin. Then Magus can't attack you anymore or Assassin's ability kills it. Gorge kills me.
LL 6-0

Reeplcheep : Vivid Meadow, Goldmeadow Dodger, Mistblade Shinobi, Mistblade Shinobi
If I cast Magus, you get mana to cast both Shinobis. Then your 3 creatures beat my 1. I also can't replay Magus after bounce.
LL 6-0

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Duskrider Falcon, Twining Twins, Island of Wak-Wak
Rainbow + GG isn't enough to let you cast the 4/4, so it's just our 1/1s. DD
Edit: OTP or OTD you can play Falcon right after I play Magus. Magus attacks first. You could block to trade. But you can fog 1 attack with Swift Spiral (instant), so Falcon races in the air by 1 turn.
LL 6-0

Silkster: Holdout Settlement, Arcbound Worker, Wispmare, Ingot Chewer
Same as GSM, except you don't lose life, so you win the race with Wispmare.
LL 6-0

Wrath of Pie: Island of Wak-Wak, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Mercadian Bazaar, Shivan Gorge
I can't pay for Tabernacle.
LL 6-0

32 points (10 loss, 2 draw)

Edit: Matches I thought were draws are losses.
I feared Bear Down might kill too much. But I also couldn't find any good artifact or enchantment creatures that beat the target deck in some narrow way (Hex Parasite seemed too strong).

[dte]

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Sarpadian Simulacrum, Ingot Chewer, Wispmare, comment: Goblin smash!
6-0
6

dte: King's Assassin, Vesuva, Shivan Gorge, Dwarven Hold, comment:
Me. I hesitated between that, a T1 hex parasite deck, FTW's deck, a deck with waterfrount bouncer that used a depletion land, and gobs deck but with Etherium Pteramander instead of the gob. I chose this one because I thought there would be less draws. I am happy not to have chosen parasite, it seems it would have been pretty bad.

Reeplcheep : Vivid Meadow, Goldmeadow Dodger, Mistblade Shinobi, Mistblade Shinobi, comment: Limbo
6-0. Nice deck! Loses to hex parasite, and really target the big.
12

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Duskrider Falcon, Twining Twins, Island of Wak-Wak, comment: This is my anti-vesuva deck, so I very much look forward to seeing no one on vesuva this week.
I am here on vesuva!
But I think this is still 6-0, no?
18

Silkster: Holdout Settlement, Arcbound Worker, Wispmare, Ingot Chewer, comment: hunting parasites
6-0, worker too good.
24

FTW: Rainbow Vale, Magus of the Vineyard, Stormkeld Vanguard, Stormkeld Vanguard, comment: Oops! All Creatures
0-6, I was afraid of this one. It is very good versus wispmares.

Wrath of Pie: Island of Wak-Wak, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Mercadian Bazaar, Shivan Gorge, comment:
0-6. The mirror, but better at the mirror thing!
24

[tirrit]

I am here on vesuva!
But I think this is still 6-0, no?


Yeah I messed up my deck submission. The remote farm was supposed to be a bounce land in order to force me to expose wak wak to vesuva. Oops! Don't submit decks late at night while tired, kids.

[dte]

Yeah I messed up my deck submission. The remote farm was supposed to be a bounce land in order to force me to expose wak wak to vesuva. Oops! Don't submit decks late at night while tired, kids.

Makes more sense then!
targeting hex parasite with farm made sense too.

[tirrit]

Makes more sense then!
targeting hex parasite with farm made sense too.

You're right. I had a previous decklist that was thinking about hex parasite (remote farm, immolating soul eater, flicker adventure, island of wak-wak) and once I decided I wanted to beat vesuva I re-used the answers but when I went to submit I put the wrong land.

[dte]

Out of curiosity, why the soul eater?
It's a fairly good card that trade vs almost any ground creature.

[tirrit]

Out of curiosity, why the soul eater?
It's a fairly good card that trade vs almost any ground creature.

Well it's an artifact, and it can kill the 5/5 flyer if it tries to block (this is a problem with wak-wak, that the flyer can survive blocking small creatures even when you set its power to 0). Mostly people are only playing 1/1s on the ground anyway, right?

[dte]

Well it's an artifact, and it can kill the 5/5 flyer if it tries to block (this is a problem with wak-wak, that the flyer can survive blocking small creatures even when you set its power to 0). Mostly people are only playing 1/1s on the ground anyway, right?

Right, make sense, might be better than evasion

[FTW]

Well it's an artifact, and it can kill the 5/5 flyer if it tries to block (this is a problem with wak-wak, that the flyer can survive blocking small creatures even when you set its power to 0). Mostly people are only playing 1/1s on the ground anyway, right?

Souleater seems smarter than evasive nonartifact creatures. It loses to disenchants and still trades with 1/1s. Falcon was also good, losing to Wak-Wak.

Remote Farm seems fine. Not only does it lose to Hex Parasite, but it also loses to double bounce effect. Orzhov Basilica doesn't.


Silkster: Holdout Settlement, Arcbound Worker, Wispmare, Ingot Chewer, comment: hunting parasites
The one other thing I thought to play was a quick Hex Parasite. I had a hard time finding a deck with a charge land, so I went with counters on a creature. It didn't matter though.

FTW: Rainbow Vale, Magus of the Vineyard, Stormkeld Vanguard, Stormkeld Vanguard, comment: Oops! All Creatures
Artifact removal. Phew!
6-0

Rainbow Vale + Magus let you cast Wispmare as a creature. 1/3 flyer turns out to be good.
My 1/1 can't attack into a 1/3, so you get the first attack to win the race.

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Island of Wak-Wak, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Mercadian Bazaar, Shivan Gorge, comment:

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Sarpadian Simulacrum, Ingot Chewer, Wispmare, comment: Goblin smash! - LL
dte: King's Assassin, Vesuva, Shivan Gorge, Dwarven Hold, comment: - LL
Reeplcheep : Vivid Meadow, Goldmeadow Dodger, Mistblade Shinobi, Mistblade Shinobi, comment: Limbo - LL
Tirrit: Remote Farm, Duskrider Falcon, Twining Twins, Island of Wak-Wak, comment: This is my anti-vesuva deck, so I very much look forward to seeing no one on vesuva this week. - WW
Silkster: Holdout Settlement, Arcbound Worker, Wispmare, Ingot Chewer, comment: hunting parasites - LL
FTW: Rainbow Vale, Magus of the Vineyard, Stormkeld Vanguard, Stormkeld Vanguard, comment: Oops! All Creatures - WW

8l = 24 points

I haven't seen this many points in a while!

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "1/1 beats 12/12"

GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Sarpadian Simulacrum, Ingot Chewer, Wispmare, comment: Goblin smash!
That's me, smashing with a goblin!

dte: King's Assassin, Vesuva, Shivan Gorge, Dwarven Hold, comment:
Goblin smash! 0-6

Reeplcheep : Vivid Meadow, Goldmeadow Dodger, Mistblade Shinobi, Mistblade Shinobi, comment: Limbo
Dodged 2-2

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Duskrider Falcon, Twining Twins, Island of Wak-Wak, comment: This is my anti-vesuva deck, so I very much look forward to seeing no one on vesuva this week.
Flying 6-0

Silkster: Holdout Settlement, Arcbound Worker, Wispmare, Ingot Chewer, comment: hunting parasites
Goblin smash! 0-6

FTW: Rainbow Vale, Magus of the Vineyard, Stormkeld Vanguard, Stormkeld Vanguard, comment: Oops! All Creatures
Wisp 2-2

Wrath of Pie: Island of Wak-Wak, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Mercadian Bazaar, Shivan Gorge, comment:
Goblin smash! 0-6

10 goblin points

[Wrath of Pie]

I want silkster back

[Reeplcheep]

Reeplcheep : Vivid Meadow, Goldmeadow Dodger, Mistblade Shinobi, Mistblade Shinobi, comment: Limbo


GoblinSmashmaster: Tarnished Citadel, Sarpadian Simulacrum, Ingot Chewer, Wispmare, comment: Goblin smash!
Trade DD

dte: King's Assassin, Vesuva, Shivan Gorge, Dwarven Hold, comment:
Double b requirement too strong. WW

Tirrit: Remote Farm, Duskrider Falcon, Twining Twins, Island of Wak-Wak, comment: This is my anti-vesuva deck, so I very much look forward to seeing no one on vesuva this week.
1/1s trade DD

Silkster: Holdout Settlement, Arcbound Worker, Wispmare, Ingot Chewer, comment: hunting parasites
Trade DD

FTW: Rainbow Vale, Magus of the Vineyard, Stormkeld Vanguard, Stormkeld Vanguard, comment: Oops! All Creatures
Hardcast. WW

Wrath of Pie: Island of Wak-Wak, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Mercadian Bazaar, Shivan Gorge,
1/1 not flying too stronk. WW

6D 6W 0L for 6/36

[dte]

I want silkster back

Me too!

[FTW]

I assume there is no deadline today?

Silkster, are you busy? Do you want someone else to organize the next few rounds to give you a break?

[silkster]

Hi everyone,

Sorry for being completely MIA. Holiday travel and events kind of snuck up on me, and then things kept happening. I'll be back to normal on Friday, and I'll post lists then, likely around 1EDT.

[silkster]

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Posting imminently.

[silkster]

Oh, I think some people might have been waiting for me to announce a round or my deck. We're missing tirrit, Reeplcheep, and FTW. I'll give them some time. I'll post this evening or in the morning if lists come in, but I know it has been a while and they might not be checking.

The good news is that the submitted decks look legal. :)

[FTW]

Oh, I think some people might have been waiting for me to announce a round or my deck. We're missing tirrit, Reeplcheep, and FTW. I'll give them some time. I'll post this evening or in the morning if lists come in, but I know it has been a while and they might not be checking.

The good news is that the submitted decks look legal. :)

Yeah, given the holidays and silence in the thread, it was not obvious the next round started. Some may not know what the target deck is and what's banned. I assume my deck is one we must lose to?

[dte]

Yeah, given the holidays and silence in the thread, it was not obvious the next round started. Some may not know what the target deck is and what's banned. I assume my deck is one we must lose to?

Yes it is. +3 manas is something, I made several illegal decks.

[FTW]

Oh, I think some people might have been waiting for me to announce a round or my deck. We're missing tirrit, Reeplcheep, and FTW. I'll give them some time. I'll post this evening or in the morning if lists come in, but I know it has been a while and they might not be checking.

The good news is that the submitted decks look legal. :)

I submitted the other day but Reeplcheep and tirrit may not check until Monday or Tuesday, since there's no other reason to check here regularly.

[silkster]

It has been a while, it's the regular time, and I did hear from tirrit that he's taking a break from this round. So here we go.

Round 8

GoblinXmasMaster: Dwarven Ruins, City of Traitors, Goblin Replica, Lupine Prototype, comment: Dwarf Traitor!
Wrath of Pie: Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Phyrexian Revoker, Strip Mine, comment:
dte: Strip Mine, Strip Mine, Chronomaton, Chronomaton , comment: So many submissions! Hopefully this one is legal :/
Silkster: Darkmoss Bridge, Fang of Shigeki, Fang of Shigeki, Strip Mine, comment: lands so vulnerable
FTW: Strip Mine, Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Lupine Prototype, comment:

[silkster]

GoblinXmasMaster: Dwarven Ruins, City of Traitors, Goblin Replica, Lupine Prototype, comment: Dwarf Traitor!
I stop the 2/2 and two snakes beat a giant wolf.
6-0

Wrath of Pie: Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Phyrexian Revoker, Strip Mine, comment:
You can only play one of your threats.
6-0

dte: Strip Mine, Strip Mine, Chronomaton, Chronomaton , comment: So many submissions! Hopefully this one is legal :/
I see you came with redundant mana generation.
2-2

Silkster: Darkmoss Bridge, Fang of Shigeki, Fang of Shigeki, Strip Mine, comment: lands so vulnerable


FTW: Strip Mine, Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Lupine Prototype, comment:[/QUOTE]
Two danger noodles beat one big robot.
6-0

My first searches before for this round were giant artifact creatures that cost up to 7 to play on turn 3. Then I tried to play Brain Maggot, but I wasn't allowed to cast it on turn 1, so it felt too weak. Then I realized that Strip Mine was legal and it crushed everything I had before. For a while I was running regular old Forest, but eventually realized that Strip Mine was so good that I was sure to face it, and I was right.

I'm amused that the previous round's super horrible deck had the strong point of being immune to Strip Mine, though it was not designed to be so.

[FTW]

FTW: Strip Mine, Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Lupine Prototype

Should have submitted Vault Skirge instead of Lupine. I feared Skirge would be too weak. But not being able to cast the 2nd threat through LD is a big problem with this build, and Lupine is useless as a 1st threat.

GoblinXmasMaster: Dwarven Ruins, City of Traitors, Goblin Replica, Lupine Prototype
Strip Mine on Ruins stops your Lupine if I don't play mine, and Overseer wins.
WW 6-0

Wrath of Pie: Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Phyrexian Revoker, Strip Mine
OTP T1 Overseer. If you play Overseer, I Strip you and play Lupine, then 2 threats beat 1. If you Strip first, my Overseer is too far ahead of yours. But you can play T1 Strip T2 Revoker naming Overseer! Mine gets stuck at 2/2 and we trade.
OTD you play T1 Overseer. If I Strip you, mine is too slow. If I play an Overseer, you can grow to 2/2 and Revoker Overseer, then Strip me. 2/2 + 2/1 beat my 1/1.
DL 1-4

dte: Strip Mine, Strip Mine, Chronomaton, Chronomaton
OTP T1 Overseer. If you play Chrono, I Strip you and play Lupine, then 2 grow threats beat growing 1 Chrono per turn. If you Strip me first, I can't play Lupine, but I get to Strip you off all mana (no 2nd Chrono or grow) and Overseer beats a 1/1.
OTD you play T1 Chrono. I Strip you. You play 2nd Chrono. I play Overseer. If you Strip me, you can't grow and Overseer easily wins. If you don't, I play Lupine and grow faster than you.
WW 6-0

Silkster: Darkmoss Bridge, Fang of Shigeki, Fang of Shigeki, Strip Mine
I can make a very large Overseer, but never get to play a 2nd threat so you get through with 2 deathtouchers.
LL 0-6

13 points (4 wins, 1 draw, 3 loss)

Considered Darksteel Citadel + 2 Chrono + Strip Mine, to have safe mana, but didn't like double Chrono while only being able to grow 1 per turn.

Vault Skirge sweeps here! Thought it would be worse. I guess we did have to lose to a 1/1.

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Phyrexian Revoker, Strip Mine, comment:

GoblinXmasMaster: Dwarven Ruins, City of Traitors, Goblin Replica, Lupine Prototype, comment: Dwarf Traitor! - WW
dte: Strip Mine, Strip Mine, Chronomaton, Chronomaton , comment: So many submissions! Hopefully this one is legal :/ - WW - You wouldn't believe how much I wanted Hangarback Walker to be legal this round.
Silkster: Darkmoss Bridge, Fang of Shigeki, Fang of Shigeki, Strip Mine, comment: lands so vulnerable - LL - Deathtouch and immunity to Strip Mine? Can't compete with that.
FTW: Strip Mine, Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Lupine Prototype, comment: - WD

5w1d = 16 points

I would have gotten away with this round if it weren't for those meddling deathtouchers.

[FTW]

Wrath of Pie: Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Phyrexian Revoker, Strip Mine, comment:

I would have gotten away with this round if it weren't for those meddling deathtouchers.

Both of us forgot this is Vintage - with no banlist (Strip Mine). Mishra's Workshop was legal!

[dte]

GoblinXmasMaster: Dwarven Ruins, City of Traitors, Goblin Replica, Lupine Prototype, comment: Dwarf Traitor!
6-0. I strip the first land you play

Wrath of Pie: Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Phyrexian Revoker, Strip Mine, comment:
0-6. You outclass me
6

dte: Strip Mine, Strip Mine, Chronomaton, Chronomaton , comment: So many submissions! Hopefully this one is legal :/
Me, playing chronomaton and mine after trying a few illegal entries.

Silkster: Darkmoss Bridge, Fang of Shigeki, Fang of Shigeki, Strip Mine, comment: lands so vulnerable
2-2. We trade
8

FTW: Strip Mine, Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Lupine Prototype, comment:
0-6. Steel overseer is better than chronomaton when we wste each other.
8

Totally not the meta I expected. I thought there would be ingot chewer, some non artifact threats (drake, tempting wurm, hierarch), and some T1 big artifact like leveler or eater of days. And there were non of those :)

So I guess we hsve to beat a couple of gree 1/1 deathtouch for next round?

[silkster]

I'm going to delay this week's round by 24 hours to Wednesday at 11AM EDT because I met a whole bunch of people in person who are interested in 3cb in general, and hopefully this specific version of 4cb.

This round is a backbuild round, and the floor deck is Darkmoss Bridge, Fang of Shigeki, Fang of Shigeki, Strip Mine. So you are trying to build the most-losing deck, but it has to beat this floor deck. All vintage creatures and lands are legal except for cards from Unfinity and the banlist below (which is just the cards from the winning decks of the last two rounds). The google form for submissions is in my signature. You can also see the entries and scores from previous rounds of this season in the other part of my signature. If you submitted a deck and want to change it, just submit a new one.

The banlist for this round is these 6 cards:
Darkmoss Bridge, Fang of Shigeki, Strip Mine
Rainbow Vale, Magus of the Vineyard, Stormkeld Vanguard

Oh, I forgot an important thing. Only creatures and lands are legal this season!

[silkster]

As is tradition, I like to publish a SHA256 has of my entry. It's really not important, but I took a class in cryptography once and this is the closest thing I have to a reason to encode anything (not that I needed the class to understand how to type into a textbox on a website). The format is card, card, card, card; comment, so the previous week's was a hash of
Darkmoss Bridge, Fang of Shigeki, Fang of Shigeki, Strip Mine; lands so vulnerable

8f613e4d67d91412d0a668089b82cfb51b48fb31088463dc102450fe3bab5de8

Now I'm going to go check the entries that have come for legality. I might miss something (it's happened a few times recently),so you might double check that you deck goes 6-0 against the floor deck. If I find something, I'll send out messages. If I find something when I go to post tomorrow, I'll message the person and delay posting for a few hours for them to fix it.

[silkster]

Round 9

GoblinSmashmaster: Slagwoods Bridge, Exotic Orchard, Crazed Goblin, Blightbeetle, comment: Crazy goblins
dte: Petrified Field, Mistvault Bridge, Magosi, the Waterveil, Blightbeetle, comment: Plagiarising Reeplcheep, and hopefully getting Refurbished Familiar
Personman: Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dunerider Outlaw, comment: Submitting this for now in case I can't find anything better... I am SO sad that Hollow Trees / Hollow Trees / Somberwild Sage / Dunerider Outlaw only 4-1s the floor deck....
Wrath of Pie: Plains, Healer's Hawk, Dragonlord Dromoka, Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, comment:
Silkster: Thornglint Bridge, Noble Hierarch, Vesuva, Aphemia, the Cacophony, comment: caw caw
Ftw: Rustvale Bridge, Nyxborn Rollicker, Wispmare, Wispmare, comment:
avocadro: Infestation Sage, Hunted Witness, Forbidden Orchard, Plains, comment:

[silkster]

[QUOTE=silkster;1109304]Round 9

GoblinSmashmaster: Slagwoods Bridge, Exotic Orchard, Crazed Goblin, Blightbeetle, comment: Crazy goblins
The first to play a one drop wins here.
3-3

dte: Petrified Field, Mistvault Bridge, Magosi, the Waterveil, Blightbeetle, comment: Plagiarising Reeplcheep, and hopefully getting Refurbished Familiar
Ah, the Magosi vigilance. I make a (relatively) giant flyer and smash you.
0-6

Personman: Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dunerider Outlaw, comment: Submitting this for now in case I can't find anything better... I am SO sad that Hollow Trees / Hollow Trees / Somberwild Sage / Dunerider Outlaw only 4-1s the floor deck....
My math might be off, but I think you kill on turn 10, and I would kill on turn 10 if I could copy a land that made black right away, but I'm slowed a turn by needing to make a charge counter.
6-0
Dunerider Outlaw actually comes out turn 3, not turn 4, but it doesn't matter because Aphemia is in time to block it, and then Hierarch would win. So you can't attack, but I can't attack either because the Outlaw races faster.
2-2

Wrath of Pie: Plains, Healer's Hawk, Dragonlord Dromoka, Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, comment:
Hawk flies over and noble.
6-9

Silkster: Thornglint Bridge, Noble Hierarch, Vesuva, Aphemia, the Cacophony, comment: caw caw


Ftw: Rustvale Bridge, Nyxborn Rollicker, Wispmare, Wispmare, comment:
In general, I didn't predict much of what ended up being played. I considered Blightbeetle, but I didn't have as good a shell as either of the decks here. But I had this exact four in my gauntlet and I almost played it. I'm surprised how few people played enchantment threats.
The first to play their one-drop wins the race.
3-3

avocadro: Infestation Sage, Hunted Witness, Forbidden Orchard, Plains, comment:
You don't play the Orchard, instead just playing the Witness and it races the Hierarch because Plains comes into play untapped.
6-0

I'm very glad to have some new people. I hope you enjoy it here.

The next round will be a ceiling round, and the ceiling deck will be the top performing deck from this week. The banned cards will be Darkmoss Bridge, Fang of Shigeki, Strip Mine, and whatever cards are in the winning deck.

[silkster]

One of the new people can't register for the site. I tried clicking "register" in a private window just now and I got a message saying "Sorry, registration has been disabled by the administrator." Anyone know what's up with that?

Also, heading into the (proposed) last round of the season, it's a good time to discuss what we want to play next.

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Plains, Healer's Hawk, Dragonlord Dromoka, Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, comment:

GoblinSmashmaster: Slagwoods Bridge, Exotic Orchard, Crazed Goblin, Blightbeetle, comment: Crazy goblins - WW
dte: Petrified Field, Mistvault Bridge, Magosi, the Waterveil, Blightbeetle, comment: Plagiarising Reeplcheep, and hopefully getting Refurbished Familiar - WW
Personman: Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dunerider Outlaw, comment: Submitting this for now in case I can't find anything better... I am SO sad that Hollow Trees / Hollow Trees / Somberwild Sage / Dunerider Outlaw only 4-1s the floor deck.... - DD
Silkster: Thornglint Bridge, Noble Hierarch, Vesuva, Aphemia, the Cacophony, comment: caw caw - WW
Ftw: Rustvale Bridge, Nyxborn Rollicker, Wispmare, Wispmare, comment: - WW
avocadro: Infestation Sage, Hunted Witness, Forbidden Orchard, Plains, comment: - WW

2d = 2 points

I really should not be trying to play 2CB, it's not working. (Also I always forget about Vesuva.)

[silkster]

From avocadro, who didn't reverse the points, but knows what's up.

vs. GoblinSmashmaster (6-0):
Only play the Plains. Hunted Witness trades with Crazed Goblin and then the 1/1 token wins.
vs. dte (6-0):
Only play the Plains. Hunted Witness comes down first and races Blightbeetle.
vs. Personman (6-0):
Hunted Witness comes down before Dunerider Outlaw and prevents attacks. Then play Forbidden Orchard for Infestation Sage. We can attack with Sage, potentially trading with the 1/1 spirit but making a 1/1 flier to win.
vs. Wrath of Pie (0-6):
Healer's Hawk deals a swing of 2 life each turn; to keep up, I need to attack with both of my creatures, allowing the 1/1 spirit to also swing in, losing me the race.
vs. silkster (6-0):
Plains, Hunted Witness outspeeds Noble Hierarch.
vs. FTW (6-0):
The Wispmares do nothing, so it's Hunted Witness outracing Nyxborn Rollicker.
TOTAL: (30-6)

[dte]

Welcome Personman and avocadro!
It's very nice to have new players :)

GoblinSmashmaster: Slagwoods Bridge, Exotic Orchard, Crazed Goblin, Blightbeetle, comment: Crazy goblins
6-0, beetles trade.

dte: Petrified Field, Mistvault Bridge, Magosi, the Waterveil, Blightbeetle, comment: Plagiarising Reeplcheep, and hopefully getting Refurbished Familiar
Me, playing copycat to a Reeplcheep deck.

Personman: Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dunerider Outlaw, comment: Submitting this for now in case I can't find anything better... I am SO sad that Hollow Trees / Hollow Trees / Somberwild Sage / Dunerider Outlaw only 4-1s the floor deck....
2-2, we trade. Beetle is actually good against the outlaw.
8

Wrath of Pie: Plains, Healer's Hawk, Dragonlord Dromoka, Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, comment:
6-0, you fly over
14

Silkster: Thornglint Bridge, Noble Hierarch, Vesuva, Aphemia, the Cacophony, comment: caw caw
6-0, I catch at least one vesuva
20

Ftw: Rustvale Bridge, Nyxborn Rollicker, Wispmare, Wispmare, comment:
2-2, we trade
22

avocadro: Infestation Sage, Hunted Witness, Forbidden Orchard, Plains, comment:
6-0, too mant threats for me.
28


As for next season, I really like the "room" principle. We could try it with legacy, permanents only, no banlist?

[FTW]

Ftw: Rustvale Bridge, Nyxborn Rollicker, Wispmare, Wispmare, comment:

With Magus banned, jammed 2x Wispmare.

For a threat I was torn between Nyxborn Rollicker (vs disenchants), Arcbound Worker (DL vs T2 Blightbeetle!), and Soltari Foot Soldier (WL instead of DD vs generic 1/1). Small edges, tough to predict the meta.


GoblinSmashmaster: Slagwoods Bridge, Exotic Orchard, Crazed Goblin, Blightbeetle
Our 1/1s trade, you can't cast Blightbeetle. DD 2-2

dte: Petrified Field, Mistvault Bridge, Magosi, the Waterveil, Blightbeetle
Our 1/1s trade DD 2-2

Personman: Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dunerider Outlaw
Our 1/1s trade DD 2-2

Wrath of Pie: Plains, Healer's Hawk, Dragonlord Dromoka, Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, comment:
Hawk flies, comes down faster, and lifelinks. LL 6-0

Silkster: Thornglint Bridge, Noble Hierarch, Vesuva, Aphemia, the Cacophony
T2 1/x race without trading WL 3-3

avocadro: Infestation Sage, Hunted Witness, Forbidden Orchard, Plains
I like this deck! 4 1/1s vs 3 1/1s in a clever way where you can never be ahead by more than 1. Unfortunately an extra 1/1 is enough.
Witness trades with my 1/1, but you get an extra. LL 6-0

21 points (5 loss, 6 draw, 1 win)

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "2 1/1s"

GoblinSmashmaster: Slagwoods Bridge, Exotic Orchard, Crazed Goblin, Blightbeetle, comment: Crazy goblins
That's me, smashing with a goblin!

dte: Petrified Field, Mistvault Bridge, Magosi, the Waterveil, Blightbeetle, comment: Plagiarising Reeplcheep, and hopefully getting Refurbished Familiar
Goblin smash! 0-6

Personman: Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dunerider Outlaw, comment: Submitting this for now in case I can't find anything better... I am
SO sad that Hollow Trees / Hollow Trees / Somberwild Sage / Dunerider Outlaw only 4-1s the floor deck....
Goblin smash! 0-6

Wrath of Pie: Plains, Healer's Hawk, Dragonlord Dromoka, Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, comment:
Hawk smash 6-0

Silkster: Thornglint Bridge, Noble Hierarch, Vesuva, Aphemia, the Cacophony, comment: caw caw
Goblin smash 3-3

Ftw: Rustvale Bridge, Nyxborn Rollicker, Wispmare, Wispmare, comment:
Goblin trade 2-2

avocadro: Infestation Sage, Hunted Witness, Forbidden Orchard, Plains, comment:
Soldier smash 6-0

17 goblin points!

[silkster]

From Personman, who also can't register:

Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dreadship Reef, Dunerider Outlaw vs:

GoblinSmashmaster: Slagwoods Bridge, Exotic Orchard, Crazed Goblin, Blightbeetle
6-0, I have to play a land that makes black to do anything and Blightbeetle destroys me.

dte: Petrified Field, Mistvault Bridge, Magosi, the Waterveil, Blightbeetle
2-2, i can't get big but sadly i can block. cute deck!

Wrath of Pie: Plains, Healer's Hawk, Dragonlord Dromoka, Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
2-2, you can block

Silkster: Thornglint Bridge, Noble Hierarch, Vesuva, Aphemia, the Cacophony
2-2, noble hierarch is green

Ftw: Rustvale Bridge, Nyxborn Rollicker, Wispmare, Wispmare
2-2, you can block

avocadro: Infestation Sage, Hunted Witness, Forbidden Orchard, Plains, comment:
6-0, orchard token has to block sage and then witness and outlaw stare at each other while the insect wins. 4 is a lot of creatures.

= 20 points

I really love the floor/ceiling concept, and I really dislike the card pool limitation, so my suggestion for next round is "exactly the same but with all vintage legal cards".
The above disagrees with Wrath of Pie, who didn't offer an explanation, but it seems like a pretty clear draw to me.

[Wrath of Pie]

Personman is right, I draw because of the super-secret tech of blocking.

[FTW]

Personman is right, I draw because of the super-secret tech of blocking.

What's the target deck for this week? Is it dte's?

[dte]

What's the target deck for this week? Is it dte's?

I assume so:
Petrified Field, Mistvault Bridge, Magosi, the Waterveil, Blightbeetle

[silkster]

I assume so:
Petrified Field, Mistvault Bridge, Magosi, the Waterveil, Blightbeetle

That is indeed the target deck. Here's my entry.

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Checking for legalities now.

[silkster]

We did get one more entry in extra time.

Final Round

dte: Oakshade Stalker, City of Traitors , Elvish Spirit guide, Chancellor of the Annex, comment:
Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Rushwood Grove, City of Traitors, Kalonian Hydra, comment: don't wanna play ghostquarter but don't wanna lose to it either
GoblinSmashmaster: Hickory Woodlot, Boseiju, Who Endures, Ignoble Hierarch, Boggart Ram-Gang, comment: Goblin smash!
Wrath of Pie: Silverbluff Bridge, Tanglepool Bridge, Hangarback Walker, Hangarback Walker, comment:
FTW: Tanglepool Bridge, Wasteland, Swarm Shambler, Narnam Renegade, comment: Chrono is too good
avocadro: Tanglepool Bridge, Swarm Shambler, Swarm Shambler, Ghost Quarter, comment:

[silkster]

Some of my matches involve some calculation I'll do later (though if I had responsibly locked in at any time during the week, I'd have easily swept with Taiga, Taiga, Swarm Shambler, Granger Guildmage).

For next season, I'm leaning towards full vintage floor/ceiling, with no restrictions, because I don't think we've done that. Maybe only 8 rounds.

There's also the issue that this forum still isn't accepting new registrations, and I'm not sure what to do about that.

[FTW]

FTW: Tanglepool Bridge, Wasteland, Swarm Shambler, Narnam Renegade, comment: Chrono is too good

dte: Oakshade Stalker, City of Traitors , Elvish Spirit guide, Chancellor of the Annex
Wasteland pays the tax. Deathtouch creature deals with the 6/3, then Shambler gets bigger and wins.
WW 6-0

Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Rushwood Grove, City of Traitors, Kalonian Hydra
Wasteland on 1 Grove slows down your mana. You can't grow without attacking into deathtouch Narnam, so Shambler eventually outgrows.
WW 6-0

GoblinSmashmaster: Hickory Woodlot, Boseiju, Who Endures, Ignoble Hierarch, Boggart Ram-Gang
Wasteland on Woodlot stops the Ram-Gang, then my creatures race Ignoble.
WW 6-0

Wrath of Pie: Silverbluff Bridge, Tanglepool Bridge, Hangarback Walker, Hangarback Walker
Hangarback is better.
LL 0-6
Edit: Shambler is always bigger and OTP Shambler can attack as bigger than any Hangarback. But you can double block and get Thopters, so attacking is bad for me. Eventually you reach 12/12, suicide attack one Hangarback into me, and get 12 Thopters. Then you can attack with 10 per turn and leave 2 to chump.

avocadro: Tanglepool Bridge, Swarm Shambler, Swarm Shambler, Ghost Quarter
Mirror. Wasteland trades with GQ, so we can both grow only 1 Shambler per turn. Narnam trades with 1, the other 2 stare at each other.
DD 2-2

20 points (6 wins, 2 draw, 2 loss)

[silkster]

From Avocadro:

vs. dte (6-0):
I play Swarm Shambler on T2, paying tax. Even on draw, I only take 15 before Swarm Shambler can block as a 3/3 to trade.
vs. Silkster (0-6):
Ghost Quarter buys some time, but Kalonian Hydra still comes down on T5 and attacks T6 as an 8/8. At best, I have two 3/3s to block.
vs. GoblinSmashmaster (6-0):
Ghost Quarter beats Hickory Woodlot, so Boggart Ram-Gang never comes out. Swarm Shambler outgrows Ignoble Hierarch.
vs. Wrath of Pie (0-6):
Swarm Shambler comes down faster, but Hangarback dies into flyers.
vs. FTW (2-2):
Wasteland destroys Ghost Quarter. Then the Shamblers grow at the same rate. (Minor note on FTW's solution: I get one use out of Ghost Quarter before it's destroyed, so I don't have to take a turn off to play the second Shambler. But it's moot - neither player has good attacks.)

Total: 14 points

Aside: I really wanted to make a deck with Walking Ballista + Heliod, Sun-Crowned, but it's tough to be fast enough while still not being able to play Walking Ballista on T2 on the play. Radiant Fountain + Azorius Chancery lets you combo on T5 after gaining 4 life to stall a little.

[dte]

dte: Oakshade Stalker, City of Traitors , Elvish Spirit guide, Chancellor of the Annex, comment:
Me, trying tempo.

Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Rushwood Grove, City of Traitors, Kalonian Hydra, comment: don't wanna play ghostquarter but don't wanna lose to it either
6-0. Exactly the kind of decks I was targeting.

GoblinSmashmaster: Hickory Woodlot, Boseiju, Who Endures, Ignoble Hierarch, Boggart Ram-Gang, comment: Goblin smash!
2-2. I do some damage early, then we stare.
8

Wrath of Pie: Silverbluff Bridge, Tanglepool Bridge, Hangarback Walker, Hangarback Walker, comment:
6-0.
T4 walker is too slow vs T5 clock.
14

FTW: Tanglepool Bridge, Wasteland, Swarm Shambler, Narnam Renegade, comment: Chrono is too good
0-6, deathtouch beats bigger dude.
14

avocadro: Tanglepool Bridge, Swarm Shambler, Swarm Shambler, Ghost Quarter, comment:
0-6
Minor disagreement: you go down to 2life, as I attack for 6 on T2.
14

4W, 4L, 2D

Edit: should be 4-1 vs Silkster, kill T5 vs casting hydra T5.

[Wrath of Pie]

Wrath of Pie: Silverbluff Bridge, Tanglepool Bridge, Hangarback Walker, Hangarback Walker, comment:

dte: Oakshade Stalker, City of Traitors , Elvish Spirit guide, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: - LL
Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Rushwood Grove, City of Traitors, Kalonian Hydra, comment: don't wanna play ghostquarter but don't wanna lose to it either - LL
GoblinSmashmaster: Hickory Woodlot, Boseiju, Who Endures, Ignoble Hierarch, Boggart Ram-Gang, comment: Goblin smash! - WW - You can't cast Ram-Gang and also activate Boseiju, and even with wither I still get enough counters to have a surviving Hangarback.
FTW: Tanglepool Bridge, Wasteland, Swarm Shambler, Narnam Renegade, comment: Chrono is too good - WW
avocadro: Tanglepool Bridge, Swarm Shambler, Swarm Shambler, Ghost Quarter, comment:[/QUOTE] - WW

6w = 18 points

Hangarback did what it does best.

[GoblinSmashmaster]

GoblinSmashmaster Results for "Final Round"

dte: Oakshade Stalker, City of Traitors , Elvish Spirit guide, Chancellor of the Annex, comment:
Goblin stare 2-2

Silkster: Rushwood Grove, Rushwood Grove, City of Traitors, Kalonian Hydra, comment: don't wanna play ghostquarter but don't wanna lose to it either
Not a GoblinMathmaster :( 2-2?

GoblinSmashmaster: Hickory Woodlot, Boseiju, Who Endures, Ignoble Hierarch, Boggart Ram-Gang, comment: Goblin smash!
That's me, playing only Goblins!

Wrath of Pie: Silverbluff Bridge, Tanglepool Bridge, Hangarback Walker, Hangarback Walker, comment:
Thopter smash :( 0-6

FTW: Tanglepool Bridge, Wasteland, Swarm Shambler, Narnam Renegade, comment: Chrono is too good
Shambler smash :( 0-6

avocadro: Tanglepool Bridge, Swarm Shambler, Swarm Shambler, Ghost Quarter, comment:
Shambler smash :( 0-6

4 goblin points

[dte]

Not much happening here.

I was wondering if we could have a season with a lighter workload on the organizer?

I thought we could just have no organizer, and use the "spoiler" function to submit decks. That way it is visible to everyone how many have submitted / are missing. And then anyone can, from the time of the deadline on, publish all lists in clear. First to think they have an overview on the winning list calls it, too bad if it turns out to be wrong, we stick to it.

Pros: well, no one has to organize the season, and communication is very clear.

Cons: Might be messy. No one checks the legality of decks. We could propose that everyone can submit two lists, they do not fight between themselves but to everyone else, we score equal to our best scoring list. Like this we can also submit our second choice, and have less volatility in the scoring as we fight more lists.

What do you think?
We could try like this for 3-4 rounds and see if we are happy with it.