[New Card Discussion] Null Profusion

[Kronicler]

It seems Wizards has finally printed a legacy legal yawgmoth's bargain!

http://www.wizards.com/magic/images/mtgcom/fcpics/house/cm54_k4eisv3lthcfvmei.jpg

Null Profusion 4bb
Enchantment (TS) R

Skip your draw step.
Whenever you play a card, draw a card.
Your maximum hand size is two.

"Some say that time is cyclical and that history inevitably repeats. My will is my own. I won't bow to fate."
-Volrath

This card is just begging to be broken, so lets get going!

Kronicler

[C.P.]

The most ovious approach is to make an tendrils variant with lots of mana booster. Mono black sounds good to me. Iggy pop without Iggy?

[Firebrothers]

I dont know it didnt seem too powerfull in green but black can probably abuse it a little better.

[Kronicler]

The most ovious approach is to make an tendrils variant with lots of mana booster. Mono black sounds good to me. Iggy pop without Iggy?

sounds perfect! No dependance on the GY FTW! Also gotta include a full suite of duress and cabal therapy for protection, and because they become cantrips too! gawd thats so hawt.

Kronicler

[wmagzoo7]

I think that with therapy and duress you could definately generate a lot of card advantage but what about playing something that would draw you cards such as a Night's whisper esque card to draw 3 cards for 2 mana and 2 life. I personally say that the Iggy Pop deck - iggy would be kinda cool but how effective it would be at generating 6 mana without trading your whole hand is questionable and definately one of the problems.

[Jak]

I could see it going in contract tendrils. Lots of acceleration there or it could into a RB combo deck with all the rituals, EtW, Tendrils, and Grapesht. Just a thought.

[No_Life_No_Future]

It looks like a good Academy Rector target!!!

I think it would well with sensei's top :)

[Brushwagg]

They gave BLACK RECYCLE!!!!!!!!!!! Let the party beg.......ummm...wait been there done that. 1 Hymn to Tourarch and your toast or some other random disard effect.

Alluren was the best way to abuse Recycle back in the day, the only problem was hitting 2 lands. Now I know we have alot of stuff to use in Legacy, and Dark Ritual is in Black, but I don't see any Recycle decks being made.

[Zilla]

A Tendrils deck with the black Recycle and a bunch of mana accelleration was my first though too, but honestly I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. Even with a ton of accelleration, finding Null Profusion early, protecting it from countermagic and removal with Duress/Therapy/Unmask and getting the 6 mana you need to cast it in the first place is going to be difficult, not to mention slow.

Where other Tendrils-based decks can win on the first turn with a fair degree of regularity, one based around this card is almost never going to. Where other Tendrils decks can abuse LED, this one wouldn't be able to, short of using some trick like Sensei's Divining Top to keep it from being discarded.

While it looks awesome in theory, I think the reality of resolving and protecting a 6cc permanent is going to make this concept strictly worse than other Tendrils based combo like TES. That's just my initial imrpession.

[herbig]

Looks like Volrath is on a Nietzsche kick. I think the best route would be Rector so you don't blow your hand getting it in play. Whether or not it can be better than other combo decks is questionable.

[Iranon]

I don't think this does anything for fast combo. At this mana cost, you might as well play and activate Belcher.

[Cavius The Great]

It might see play in Type 1 with all the moxen and shit but I doubt it will make an impact in Legacy.

[Cait_Sith]

At least it is totally broken with Thrumming Stone. Honestly this will probably do the most damage in Extended where massive flashback exists, but not much in Legacy, at least initially.

[Brushwagg]

At most this is a Type 2 card, but I doubt it very much. If this card is going to be "broken" then why hasn't anyone tried RECYCLE yet??

Tempest rare
Cost:4GG
Card Type: Enchantment
P/T:
Rules Text (Oracle): Skip your draw step.

Whenever you play a card, draw a card.

Your maximum hand size is two.

It's not becuase it's Green, it's because it's terrible. We have enough mana fixing in this format. Both of these are terrible.

[Tao]

The fear of Hymn or other discard is irrelevant. If your opponent plays Monoblack, you just don't play this card (unless you have lots of Mana and just win the turn you play it).

I would suggest this card in a Jack Black type of deck. I think it can be insane with Cabal Coffers (like Hymn- draw, Mutilate - draw, land - drop+draw, Haunting Echoes - draw, land -ok, fair turn). But even without "Coffers insanity" it is the best black draw engine in the format.

[Cavius The Great]

Just out of curiosity, can you pop a Lion's Eye Diamond in response to drawing the card off of Null Profusion after playing it? If so, that would be kind of nasty however very risky. You definitely don't want to be drawing into a land after popping LED. :tongue:

[Cait_Sith]

The LED is on the stack and the card is drawn before the LED resolves.

[Kronicler]

If this were used in a deck with blue then you could brainstorm, putting the correct card on top, then play a random card, in response crack LED, and end up with the card that was on top of your library being the only one in your hand and 3 more mana floating than you had before... I think.

Kronicler

[Cait_Sith]

You could do that. Is it worth it? Not really. As far as I can tell this card is good for Mill, which means it isn't that good at all. I am sure it has some serious combolicious abuses, but right now I am not seeing them. (Try this for a funny lock: Null Profusion + Donate and Chains of Mephistopheles)