[New card discussion] Glittering Wish

[Maldur Sven Vedukor]

Glittering Wish - GW
Sorcery
Choose a multicolored card you own from outside the game, reveal that card, and put it into your hand. Remove Glittering Wish from the game.

I was thinking if this card would be used in legacy. A multicolor toolbox?

[Bane of the Living]

Pernicious Deed
Meddling Mage
Undermine/Absorb
Loxodon Hierarch
Hull Breach
Glare of Subdual
Lightning Helix
Mystic Enforcer
Hunting Grounds
Mortify/Putrefy
Vindicate
Crime//Punishment
Teferi's Moat
Harmonic Sliver
Psychatog!

[BreathWeapon]

Pernicious Deed
Meddling Mage
Undermine/Absorb
Loxodon Hierarch
Hull Breach
Glare of Subdual
Lightning Helix
Mystic Enforcer
Hunting Grounds
Mortify/Putrefy
Harmonic Sliver

You forgot Psychatog; this is seeing play in Landstill for certain.

[MattH]

Voidslime!
FireIce and Terminate!

[Pinder]

Vindicate! Gerards Verdict! Hide/Seek (in Vintage)!

[Michael Keller]

Bartel Runeaxe! Dark Heart of the Wood! Winter's Night!

[KillemallCFH]

Voidslime!
FireIce and Terminate!Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't use Glittering Wish to get a Fire/Ice.

[Michael Keller]

The card is going to see very limited play, if any, in Legacy. There's nothing worthwhile that's gold to search your board for that Burning Wish/Cunning Wish/Living Wish can't already do in a more cost effective way. I'm not saying it won't have use, but those Wishes are much better.

[Lord Xœvx Cvrsed]

Maybe in a Wake or a Rock like deck?

[Nydaeli]

The obvious thing to do with it is throw it into a GWB control shell of some kind. A wishboard consisting of Vindicate, Deed, Hierarch, Gerrard's Verdict and Crime/Punishment would be very strong.

[Maldur Sven Vedukor]

In a wake-like deck, is good glittering wish? or are cunning and burning wish just better?

[from Cairo]

The obvious thing to do with it is throw it into a GWB control shell of some kind. A wishboard consisting of Vindicate, Deed, Hierarch, Gerrard's Verdict and Crime/Punishment would be very strong.

Agreed, it definitely seems most playable in GWB. Given its GW, and black offers the best multicolor combinations with those two: Vindicate, Pernicious Deed and Hierarch... Though I'm not sure how needed it would be in this sort of deck.

[Cait_Sith]

Agreed, it definitely seems most playable in GWB. Given its GW, and black offers the best multicolor combinations with those two: Vindicate, Pernicious Deed and Hierarch... Though I'm not sure how needed it would be in this sort of deck.

Umm, you know, Truffle Shuffle runs a good amount of Gold card and could probably use Glittering Wish. Just sayin'

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't use Glittering Wish to get a Fire/Ice.

You're wrong. Hybrid and split cards (with more than one color) count as multicolored cards. Anything with more than one color in the upper right corner does. (and Transguild Courier)

[MattH]

The reason being, when the game asks about whether a split card matches a given characteristic, the answer is a combination of both halves (except when it's on the stack). The converted mana cost of Research//Development is "2 and 5" and the color is "Red & blue and blue & green".

Fire//Ice is red & blue.

[KillemallCFH]

The reason being, when the game asks about whether a split card matches a given characteristic, the answer is a combination of both halves (except when it's on the stack). The converted mana cost of Research//Development is "2 and 5" and the color is "Red & blue and blue & green".

Fire//Ice is red & blue.Ah, I see. At least I'm not the only one who thought that because a judge on Magic-League told me that I was correct.

[Tacosnape]

The biggest problem with Glittering Wish is it requires you have a lot of different color mana in play to use effectively, and in Legacy, often decks intentionally avoid ever having more than a single colored mana symbol in a spell they play.

Loam could use it, but it won't, because Burning Wish is better. 4C Landstill probably -will- use it, as will GWB Control. I don't imagine the Red multicolored cards will make all that big of a deal.

Vindicate, Hierarch, and Crime//Punishment are solid ideas in both, as is Deed if you want to risk not maindecking four. Meddling Mage and Spite//Malice are both solid in Landstill. And I'm currently toying around with Teferi's Moat as a Game 1 solution to Goblins.

[insertnamehere]

Note it cost GW so you will mostly see this in a g/w/x deck like rock or survival. This wish will get any multi color card, sorcery,instant,creature. It will only be used in certain decks. Comparing this wish with the other wishes is like comparing two different tournaments. The meta is different at every tournament, it all depends on what is being played at that tournament.

[DS2]

i think this card is going to see much play in extended

[Katrina]

4c landstill will use it.


Note it cost GW so you will mostly see this in a g/w/x deck like rock or survival. This wish will get any multi color card, sorcery,instant,creature. It will only be used in certain decks. Comparing this wish with the other wishes is like comparing two different tournaments. The meta is different at every tournament, it all depends on what is being played at that tournament.
You're right.

[BreathWeapon]

I'm positive U/g/w aggro-control is going to use it, Mystic Enforcer, Dueling Grounds, Harmonic Sliver, Voidslime, Meddling Mage are all great targets and I'm sure there are others out there.

Edit: Dovescape and Teferi's Moat are hilarious.

[Volt]

I'm positive U/g/w aggro-control is going to use it, Mystic Enforcer, Dueling Grounds, Harmonic Sliver, Voidslime, Meddling Mage are all great targets and I'm sure there are others out there.

I doubt it. Most of those can be fetched with Living Wish, and the others aren't often played.

[BreathWeapon]

I doubt it. Most of those can be fetched with Living Wish, and the others aren't often played.

Living Wish can't tutor for Dueling Grounds, which is GG vs Goblins and the rest of aggro when they're up against a Tarmogoyf or Quirion Dryad.

After screwing around with Voidslime, I think it's an underutilized counter in this format against combo; sure it's slow, but double Tendrils just went out the window for them.

It's mainly a way to fit Dueling Grounds into the MD to stop aggro while maintaining the deck's threat density and permission/removal all at the same time.

[Katrina]

There are some of good cards you can fetch with g wish.

Vindicate
Deed
Dueling Grounds
Hierarch
Meddling Mage
Mirari's Wake
Mortify
Putrefy
Lightning Helix

I think it's a good card. The other three are good also, but they're different.

[TheLion]

I was looking around for uses and the best targets of Glittering Wish, originally wanted to start a new thread on this, but then I found this thread.

Last post was April, 2007, so the cards from Lorwyn, Shadowmoor and Shards of Alara cycles have not yet been discussed.
In those sets 263 !! multicolored cards were printed. That should deserve new discussion.

Ajani Vengeant
Bant Charm
Beckon Apparition
Branching Bolt
Brion Stoutarm
Curse of Chains
Doran, the Siege Tower
Duergar Hedge-Mage
Firespout
Fracturing Gust
Gaddock Teeg
Knight of the Reliquary
Meglonoth
Naya Charm
Qasali Ambusher
Realm Razer
Rise of the Hobgoblins
Sarkhan Vol
Snakeform
Spitting Image
Stillmoon Cavalier
Swans of Bryn Argoll
Unmake
Vexing Shusher
Wheel of Sun and Moon
Worldpurge
Worm Harvest

What do you think? I think the one in bold are the best and the rest may depend on the deck.

edit: bolded stillmoon cavalier, though he only pumps its power... ;-)

[Sek'Kuar]

Go, go Super Necro! In my opinion, Stillmoon Cavalier deserves to be bold. it is such an effective creature. Protection from two of the most prominent removal colors; and the ability to pump saves it from red's scalable damage and allows it to hit harder as the game progresses.even if the deck was only G/W, Cavalier would still be playable. Adding black just makes the card better. When a card can just continually get better, then I say, "Why not?"

[b4r0n]

...the ability to pump saves it from red's scalable damage...

Um, what? Might help to actually read the card: Stillmoon Cavalier (http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?name=Stillmoon%20Cavalier).

[KillemallCFH]

Um, what? Might help to actually read the card: Stillmoon Cavalier (http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?name=Stillmoon%20Cavalier).Well you'd obviously be playing it in a deck with Transmutation (http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=1463).

Duh.

[georgjorge]

I haven't seen someone post Trygon Predator yet !

So with GW you can already play...

Gaddock Teeg as disruption
Harmonic Sliver as artifact/enchantment removal
Mystic Enforcer as a big beater
Wheel of Sun and Moon as graveyard hate


Going GWU adds...

Meddling Mage as disruption
Trygon Predator as recurring artifact/enchantment hate
Bant Charm as creature removal

A GWB list gives you...

Pernicious Deed as the best mass removal ever
Worm Harvest as a recurrable win condition
Vindicate as creature removal
Doran as a beater
Gerrard's Verdict as disruption

And GWR gives you...

Firespout as horde removal
Fire//Ice as small removal
Ajani Vengeant as win condition
Hull Breach as artifact/enchantment removal



...so you really have EVERYTHING that a Wishboard needs (disruption, mass removal, spot removal, artifact/enchantment removal, big beaters, graveyard hate). If you go four colors, the opportunities are amazing...like

Wheel of Sun and Moon
Mystic Enforcer
Pernicious Deed
Vindicate
Meddling Mage

I would say that such a Board would certainly not be worse than a Living/Burning Wish board IF it weren't for the cost of the cards - paying 3 mana after fetching it for 2 is costly, and there are no cards playable with alternative casting costs.

To conclude: Midgame decks which usually make their first four or five land drops can really make themselves more versatile and save some maindeck slots with Wish. More aggressive decks like Survival and Aggro Loam won't use it, not for lack of targets but for the targets being too expensive.

[Captain Hammer]

Don't forget about cards like Kitchen Finks (and maybe Wilt Leaf Liege).

[bowvamp]

This thread seems too necro to be true!

[DukeDemonKn1ght]

If you wanted to lean on the multicolor theme really hard, you might even be able to justify playing Pillar of the Paruns in a deck like this. You'd really want to play as many multicolor cards as you could though.

Also, I know Stormbind pales in comparison to Seismic Assault, but still... it's Stormbind! I gotta admit, it's only nostalgia that even makes me mention it though...

*Focusing on white, we could try for sort of a mid-range gold beat-down deck. Bear with me, this may be kinda rough, but it could look a little something like this:

4 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Gaddock Teeg
4 Meddling Mage
3 Doran, the Siege Tower
2 Trygon Predator

4 Glittering Wish
2 Umezawa's Jitte

4 Gerard's Verdict
4 Vindicate
3 Putrefy
3 Mortify
4 Aether Vial

4 Chrome Mox
4 Pillar of the Paruns
4 Scrubland
4 Savannah
4 Tundra
2 Bayou

*Note that this is only really a four color deck... And also, its mana base probably needs some work. Anyways, I can't really tell if this looks like a terrible four-color version of fish, or like something that might be interesting... What do y'all think?

*Also note that besides keeping the legendary creatures at three-of for a possible fourth in the sideboard, I didn't really try to make a wishboard for this deck, I don't think I have the mental acuity for that right now.

[bowvamp]

First off, this thread was dead and should remain that way.
Second, Pillar of the Paruns is horrible in any deck, for instance in yours, pillar can't play Umezawa's or Aether vial.
Your deck has no early game, and vial is really bad in it. Only having 4x 1 Mana spells won't cut it. That's like accepting t1 you'll either have a vial (not very good) or both a land and a chrome mox(only 18 lands and chrome mox makes your CA-less deck have negative CA)

[Captain Hammer]

bowvamp, I think it was necroed because all these new multicolored cards got printed the past two blocks making glittering wish better than ever.

DukeDemonKn1ght, you list looks like a lot of fun.

I would replace the Jitte and Mortify and Putrefy with some combination of the following...

Kitchen Finks (gains life same as Jitte, you could also use Loxodan Hierach)
Blightning (fun disruption)
Hull Breech x1 in the sideboard - A one of that you can tutor for. Blows up two cards for the price of one, so it can be really broken
Terminate (one casting cost less than Putrefy/Mortify, you already have Vindicate and Hull Breech in the sideboard to deal with artifacts and enchantments)
Rafiq of the Many (makes all your other guys into huge threats)

[bowvamp]

You don't seem to get that Glittering Wish has never been much of anything, it requires you to run two colors+ and unless you want to splash further it restricts what you can wish for. Just because there is a sheer mass of multi colored spells does not make it any more viable. It's like saying at the Legions pre-release that living wish would be omg imba after this set. It didn't change the power level in the slightest yet every single card in that expansion was wishable. Of course living wish has always been better than glittering wish when in Legacy. Glittering Wish might be more viable in extended, but in legacy there is a creature or a land for every multi-colored spell that you might want to have as a wish target.

[f|i[p]]

Just to let you know, there's a version of funkbrew that uses glittering wish. Its a Bgw aggro control deck. Although I think glittering wish's suits control much better.

In reality, I think glittering wish has a very good chance of becoming one of the best wish cards. As time goes by there will be more and more good multicolored cards whether it be instant, sorcery, creature as long as its multi colored. And we all know there will be never ending stream of multicolored cards(as long as magic the gathering exists) and it will make glittering a more versatile wish card.. Just a thought.

[Captain Hammer]

What makes Glittering Wish so good is that it can fetch anything you need.

Enchantment/artifact destruction is usually sorcery or instant speed. The wishes that can get them to you won't grab you threats.

Wish can get either big creature beatsticks, or creatures that give you life (kitchen finks) or solid disruption, or removal, or burn or even random things like countersquall. None of the other wishes are that versatile.

It also doesn't hurt that multicolored cards (be they threats or removal) are usually among the best cards in the game.

[bowvamp]

What makes Glittering Wish so good is that it can fetch anything you need.

Enchantment/artifact destruction is usually sorcery or instant speed. The wishes that can get them to you won't grab you threats.

Wish can get either big creature beatsticks, or creatures that give you life (kitchen finks) or solid disruption, or removal, or burn or even random things like countersquall. None of the other wishes are that versatile.

It also doesn't hurt that multicolored cards (be they threats or removal) are usually among the best cards in the game.
I will be using living wish as an example.
Hmm, so let me cover what you said...
Enchantment/Artifact Destruction: Done
Ukatbi Orangutan,
Harmonic Sliver,
Tin-Street Hooligan,
Kataki,
and even Trygon Predator.
Big Creatures:
All creatures in the game are accessible...
Life gaining creatures:
All creatures w/ life gain are accessible
Solid Disruption:
of what kind? I already have artifact/enchantment...
Removal (assuming creatures...):
Fire Imp
Flametongue Kavu (burn also)
Sower of Temptation
Tabernacle
Maze of Ith
Burn:
Fire Imp
Flametongue Kavu
this area is the only one lacking in your list
Counters:
Cursecatcher
Spellstutter Sprite

hmm, so a deck actually plays glittering wish? None of the lists on Deckcheck have it...

[DukeDemonKn1ght]

Look, I never said it was a viable deck. I just think it's a fun idea. Not all the deck ideas I spit out are uber-serious, ya know?

[georgjorge]

First, the Living Wish targets you mentioned would also force you in at least three colors.

Second, Living Wish doesn't get you mass removal (Pernicious Deed/Firespout) or Planeswalkers (Ajani).

[bowvamp]

So you're saying that having a 2cc spell fetch an out of color 2cc Countersquall, which forces you into 4 colors is better than it fetching you lets say a Cursecatcher...? Hmm, well as for mass removal, these cards would like to have a word with you:
Jiwan the Earth Aflame,
Arashi the Sky Asunder,
Bloodfire Dwarf,
now Scattershot Archer,
and Martyr of Ashes.

Yes, it doesn't fetch planeswalkers, but for the most part if you are in their colors, you run 1-2 of that planeswalker in that deck or none at all.

[Mordenkaynen]

Jiwan the Earth Aflame,
Arashi the Sky Asunder,
Bloodfire Dwarf,
now Scattershot Archer,
and Martyr of Ashes.
That's crap, I must say. (Sharpshooter deserves much more attention; but anyway there's no real GLOBAL removal) Deed can be a reason to use a Glittering toolbox.

However, the discussion is losing it's sence. I mean it's obvious that the card has some potential, but discussing it in vacuum is a bit idle, I think.

[georgjorge]

So you're saying that having a 2cc spell fetch an out of color 2cc Countersquall, which forces you into 4 colors is better than it fetching you lets say a Cursecatcher...?


I'm not saying that at all. I wouldn't want to fetch ANY of those two cards (Cursecatcher put into play by turn three at the soonest...?).

Planeswalkers are useful for when you need to get a threat vs decks like Rock or Landstill that use tons of creature removal (I guess Living Wish could get Urzas Factory there, but that's much slower).


Otherwise, I think the thread is useful for updating whenever a new set with viable multicolor cards comes out :smile: .

[Mordenkaynen]

I think the thread is useful for updating whenever a new set with viable multicolor cards comes out :smile: .
Quite reasonable. But that said we need a "final" up-to-date list and more important it's format (I mean it has to be done so that anybody can easily find what he wants).

[mercenarybdu]

Vindicate
Deed
Verdict
Teneb, the Harvester
Lightning Helix
Thoctar
hybrid cards
Chris
Mortify
Angel of Despair
Necrotic Sliver

All the best ones so far...

[puppektion]

Don't forget Putrefy and Ajani Vengaent ;)

[bowvamp]

Lolz @ Teneb, Necrotic Sliver, Angel of Despair, and mortify! Seriously, your fatties are hard to believe as the best multicolored ones, necrotic sliver and mortify are both worse than a vindicate. Your options as I see them:
(Removal)
Firespout,
Vindicate,
Deed,
Verdict,
Putrefy,
(P-Walkers)
Sarkhan Vol,
Ajani,
(Draw)
Augury Adept,
Sygg, River Cutthroat,
Ophidian,
Shadowmage Infiltrator,
Dimir Cutpurse,
Coiling Oracle,
(Fatties)
LOL! Cromat,
Spiritmonger,
SSS,
Empyrial Archangel,
Mystic Enforcer,
and Lightning Angel

[Paradigm Shift]

One thing that nust be considered with this card is it allows you to create a higher 'virtual' number of a card in a deck.

For example,

2-4 Glittering Wish
3 Gaddock Teeg (1 SB)
1-3 Deed (1 SB)
3 Vindicate (1 SB)
0-3 Hierarch (1 SB)
0-3 Finks (1 SB)
0-3 Bant Charm (1 SB)

if you run a full four wishes, you have 7 gaddock teegs in your deck, in essence. And yes, I am taking into account the fact that you must either have 4 mana to wish then play Teeg, and that this is slow, and not fast enough against AdNaus (generally).

However, that doesn't lessen the strength of this, lent to it by versatility. Awhile ago I made a UWgbr version of Glittering Control running a decent number of basics alongside sakura-tribe elders for a waste-fortified manabase.
Ever had Powerstone Minefield in play against Meathooks? Awesome.

Clearly, Wish is a slow card. There is no reason to point it out, only a fool would think Wish isn't slow. However, it is extremely versatile, and very powerful for it's effect, especially because it really doesn't need too many cards in the board for it to grab, 4-5 pretty much.

I definitely think this card is both viable in a Rock-style deck, or a blue-based control deck. I think WGB are requirements for this card, with blue highly recommended. There is definitely a deck there for this card. The deck it goes in really stomps aggro with Finks, Hierarch, Vindicate, Deed, Bant Charm, and is strong versus Control as well with removal for it's few threats, and Gaddock Teeg as a natural predator of Force of Will, Humility, Damnation, and FoF.

As an aside, one thing I noticed looking over the cards that team well with Glittering Wish, I noticed one drops absent (obviously, multicolor).

Imagine:

4 CotV
4 Glitt Wish
3 Gaddock Teeg
3 Vindicate
2-3 Hierarch
2-3 Finks
x Gerrard's Verdict?
x Putrefy?
Doran?

Etc.

Chalice is wonderful against combo, and another great tool against aggro and control alike.

So, to sum up this rambling post that really lacked coherency, just whip up a fun list with Glittering Wish and play with it on MWS. Figure out what works and what doesn't, and tune something up and bring it back here. There is definitely something there with this card.

P.S. 7 Deeds, 7 Bant Charms, 7 Vindicates is NUTS against Affinity. I never dropped a game.

[bowvamp]

One thing that nust be considered with this card is it allows you to create a higher 'virtual' number of a card in a deck.

For example,

2-4 Glittering Wish
3 Gaddock Teeg (1 SB)
1-3 Deed (1 SB)
3 Vindicate (1 SB)
0-3 Hierarch (1 SB)
0-3 Finks (1 SB)
0-3 Bant Charm (1 SB)

if you run a full four wishes, you have 7 gaddock teegs in your deck, in essence. And yes, I am taking into account the fact that you must either have 4 mana to wish then play Teeg, and that this is slow, and not fast enough against AdNaus (generally).

However, that doesn't lessen the strength of this, lent to it by versatility. Awhile ago I made a UWgbr version of Glittering Control running a decent number of basics alongside sakura-tribe elders for a waste-fortified manabase.
Ever had Powerstone Minefield in play against Meathooks? Awesome.

Clearly, Wish is a slow card. There is no reason to point it out, only a fool would think Wish isn't slow. However, it is extremely versatile, and very powerful for it's effect, especially because it really doesn't need too many cards in the board for it to grab, 4-5 pretty much.

I definitely think this card is both viable in a Rock-style deck, or a blue-based control deck. I think WGB are requirements for this card, with blue highly recommended. There is definitely a deck there for this card. The deck it goes in really stomps aggro with Finks, Hierarch, Vindicate, Deed, Bant Charm, and is strong versus Control as well with removal for it's few threats, and Gaddock Teeg as a natural predator of Force of Will, Humility, Damnation, and FoF.

As an aside, one thing I noticed looking over the cards that team well with Glittering Wish, I noticed one drops absent (obviously, multicolor).

Imagine:

4 CotV
4 Glitt Wish
3 Gaddock Teeg
3 Vindicate
2-3 Hierarch
2-3 Finks
x Gerrard's Verdict?
x Putrefy?
Doran?

Etc.

Chalice is wonderful against combo, and another great tool against aggro and control alike.

So, to sum up this rambling post that really lacked coherency, just whip up a fun list with Glittering Wish and play with it on MWS. Figure out what works and what doesn't, and tune something up and bring it back here. There is definitely something there with this card.

P.S. 7 Deeds, 7 Bant Charms, 7 Vindicates is NUTS against Affinity. I never dropped a game.
LOOOOL, you act as if you've never seen an odyssey wish before, with all that talk of 7 gaddocks, heck have 11 with Living Wish, idc. How would vindicate be good against affinity? No dur it's a slow card, but take a look at death wish and you'll see a card with an even greater downside! 1/2 your life + turn 3 can mean game against most aggro decks. Of course it's best in combo. We should have a contest, who can put glittering wish in a shell that it's better than living wish, has a good MD, and has no inferior SB choices! I call Not Quite Survival taking out black and adding in white!

[Paradigm Shift]

LOOOOL, you act as if you've never seen an odyssey wish before, with all that talk of 7 gaddocks, heck have 11 with Living Wish, idc. How would vindicate be good against affinity? No dur it's a slow card, but take a look at death wish and you'll see a card with an even greater downside! 1/2 your life + turn 3 can mean game against most aggro decks. Of course it's best in combo. We should have a contest, who can put glittering wish in a shell that it's better than living wish, has a good MD, and has no inferior SB choices! I call Not Quite Survival taking out black and adding in white!

I respect your choice to ignore most of my post, I guess. Your Death Wish comment is completely irrelevant and poorly thought out and phrased. I never mentioned anything being good in combo, merely that Chalice is good VERSUS combo. Your reading skills need some serious work.

Obviously Wishes are good. My deck of choice is Aggro Loam, wishing for Reverant Silence and clearing both CB and Leyline is a wonderful feeling. However, Living Wish CANNOT get a Vindicate (unless you start to suggest things like Angel of Despair, but be serious.) It cannot get Bant Charm, although it can get different parts of it. It cannot Deed and absolutely wreck Affinity's day, although it can get Kataki, but that isn't immediate.

As far as I know, I have never seen a Wish-based deck, i.e. a deck built solely around a wish/wishes. Let's take a moment to look at Cunning Wish in Landstill. The ability to tutor for an Enlightened Tutor to then get a singleton COP of some color out of your deck is wonderful, because, when you do not need that COP, you can get any other card from your sideboard, such as a Pulse of the Fields, or a Blast, et cetera. This is something called versatility. This makes a Wish powerful, a Wish worth playing. Because a Wish in your hand signifies the potential for it to be a myriad of cards, as opposed to the one unchangeable card it would be if it were not a wish, but say, a Vindicate.

You are entirely overlooking the fact that A. the deck with Wish has other cards in it, it's not like you do nothing all game but cast Wish then cast the card you wished for. B. You fail to address versatility, even though earlier you argued all the different creatures Living Wish could get versus cards that do the same thing that Glittering Wish could get. You failed to find a substitute for Vindicate or Pernicious Deed.

If you think Glittering Wish is slow and awful, that's fine. No one in this thread has suggested this deck will be Teir 1, Teir 2, or Teir. We are mainly brainstorming ideas for potential ways to put Glittering Wish in a working deck.

To be more blunt, stop trolling poorly.

Edit: Vindicate is good against Affinity because it is one more way to deny them Ravager or Cranial Plating, and without one of those they are generally reduced to just playing vanilla dudes with no real reach.

[bowvamp]

I respect your choice to ignore most of my post, I guess. Your Death Wish comment is completely irrelevant and poorly thought out and phrased. I never mentioned anything being good in combo, merely that Chalice is good VERSUS combo. Your reading skills need some serious work.

Obviously Wishes are good. My deck of choice is Aggro Loam, wishing for Reverant Silence and clearing both CB and Leyline is a wonderful feeling. However, Living Wish CANNOT get a Vindicate (unless you start to suggest things like Angel of Despair, but be serious.) It cannot get Bant Charm, although it can get different parts of it. It cannot Deed and absolutely wreck Affinity's day, although it can get Kataki, but that isn't immediate.

As far as I know, I have never seen a Wish-based deck, i.e. a deck built solely around a wish/wishes. Let's take a moment to look at Cunning Wish in Landstill. The ability to tutor for an Enlightened Tutor to then get a singleton COP of some color out of your deck is wonderful, because, when you do not need that COP, you can get any other card from your sideboard, such as a Pulse of the Fields, or a Blast, et cetera. This is something called versatility. This makes a Wish powerful, a Wish worth playing. Because a Wish in your hand signifies the potential for it to be a myriad of cards, as opposed to the one unchangeable card it would be if it were not a wish, but say, a Vindicate.

You are entirely overlooking the fact that A. the deck with Wish has other cards in it, it's not like you do nothing all game but cast Wish then cast the card you wished for. B. You fail to address versatility, even though earlier you argued all the different creatures Living Wish could get versus cards that do the same thing that Glittering Wish could get. You failed to find a substitute for Vindicate or Pernicious Deed.

If you think Glittering Wish is slow and awful, that's fine. No one in this thread has suggested this deck will be Teir 1, Teir 2, or Teir. We are mainly brainstorming ideas for potential ways to put Glittering Wish in a working deck.

To be more blunt, stop trolling poorly.

Edit: Vindicate is good against Affinity because it is one more way to deny them Ravager or Cranial Plating, and without one of those they are generally reduced to just playing vanilla dudes with no real reach.
Death wish is a comment directed at yours about how glittering wish was a slow card, could've been phrased better...
I was talking about glittering wish... getting vindicate and all...
I also was not talking about a wish-based deck, simply asking if we (the source) could make an effort to prove me wrong that living wish isn't simply better than glittering wish. Lol at how you claim for my reading skills to be bad yet didn't read my post. Notice how in affinity, if you deny their ravager, they get to sac a bunch then put all the counters on the ornithopter you didn't get. If you deny their cranial plating, you lost tempo.
Oh, you want to find a substitute for vindicate/pernicious deed eh?
here's what I've got...
Magus of the Disk for Deed (yes, it is a disk not a deed, but it can be played through living wish with just 2 types of mana)
I just realized, why wish for vindicate if you could wish for a variety of different permanent types to hate.
that's why this is my vindicate:
1 Viridian Zealot
1 Shriekmaw
1 Fulminator

[ssilver]

Magus of the Disk is bad anyone should agree with this statement, as CIPT + creature = stp/other cret removal. 6 mana for bad removal = Countered or nuked.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

I think Glittering Wish is just to slow for legacy. The only deck where it could fit into is G/W/B rock, but Glittering Wish sux in rock so yeah...

I also dont think it is wroth filling your SB up with lots of mulitcolored spells, that should be in your MD anyways, like Deed or Vindicates.

What do you guys think about Eladamris Call?

[Paradigm Shift]

Death wish is a comment directed at yours about how glittering wish was a slow card, could've been phrased better...
I was talking about glittering wish... getting vindicate and all...
I also was not talking about a wish-based deck, simply asking if we (the source) could make an effort to prove me wrong that living wish isn't simply better than glittering wish. Lol at how you claim for my reading skills to be bad yet didn't read my post. Notice how in affinity, if you deny their ravager, they get to sac a bunch then put all the counters on the ornithopter you didn't get. If you deny their cranial plating, you lost tempo.
Oh, you want to find a substitute for vindicate/pernicious deed eh?
here's what I've got...
Magus of the Disk for Deed (yes, it is a disk not a deed, but it can be played through living wish with just 2 types of mana)
I just realized, why wish for vindicate if you could wish for a variety of different permanent types to hate.
that's why this is my vindicate:
1 Viridian Zealot
1 Shriekmaw
1 Fulminator

I did read your post, short and incoherent as it was.

If you are seeing something in your post that I'm not, tell me. All you wrote was "How would vindicate be good against affinity?", nothing else. I explained why. If affinity has a board of Plating, Frogmite, Ornithopter, Disciple, Drum, and Lands, destroying Plating leaves them a 2/2 and a 1/1, rather than that plus a 5/2 or larger flying beatsick. That is why vindicate, and on that note, any targeted artifact removal is good against affinity.

And, so, for your Vindicate, you want to have three slots taken up instead of one, and want the inability to kill Planewalkers, Black creatures, untargetable creatures (Deed, though that is only realistic for things like Ascetic and Mongoose, not reanimation targets), as well as other untargetable permanents, such as Enchantress with Sterling Grove. You lack sweeping removal, and yet take up more sideboard slots.

Magus of the Disk is absolutely awful, and, if you are going only two colors of mana you are playing W/G, which isn't really a powerhouse legacy control color pair.

If you fail to find that as proof that Glittering Wish is overall more versatile and can get better answers than Living Wish, then I don't know what else I can do to convince you.

As I already pointed out, Glittering Wish is slow. So put it in a slow deck with lots of board control elements. It's not the center of the deck, just as Cunning Wish is not the focus of Cunning Landstill, but it changes the decks dynamic.

[bowvamp]

More lol, where can I begin?
Ok, yes I am seeing something in my post you aren't seeing...
Killing their plating on turn 3 shouldn't do much versus affinity because while your scenario puts them at 1 land, they have 2-3 and may have already attacked with the plating. Ok, so now you want me to do untargetable creatures? Since we seem to be gravitating towards BGW, I'll use those colors to make a SB for living wish and compare to your SB.
Your SB:
1 Deed
1 Bant Charm (BLUE?!)
1 Gaddock
1 Hierarch
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Vindicate
1 Gerrard's Verdict
1 Doran
Leaving another 7 cards as meta choices (and oddly enough splashing U?)
My SB:
1 Tarmogoyf (Doran)
1 Augur of Skulls (it's just a small bit worse than verdict)
1 Ethersworn Cannonist (>Gaddock)
1 Ravenous Baloth (easier to play than hierarch) (you might run hierarch md)
0 Kitchen Finks (imho baloth is enough)

OK, so I am approaching your "ur not able to sweep/ kill black creatures" with the strategy of doing both at the same time.

1 Kataki
1 Nova Cleanser
1 Bane of the Living/Tabernacle (depends on which build of The Rock you've got)
1 Wasteland (kills lands, HA take that vindicate!)

If WG isn't a good legacy control color pair (I agree with you on this), then why are you suggesting to put glittering wish in a slow deck with lots of board control? And you are seriously illiterate if you STILL think that I am talking about it being CENTERED around a wish, that would be stupid...

let me quote myself:
"I also was not talking about a wish-based deck, simply asking if we (the source) could make an effort to prove me wrong that living wish isn't simply better than glittering wish. Lol at how you claim for my reading skills to be bad yet didn't read my post."

[Paradigm Shift]

More lol, where can I begin?
Ok, yes I am seeing something in my post you aren't seeing...
Killing their plating on turn 3 shouldn't do much versus affinity because while your scenario puts them at 1 land, they have 2-3 and may have already attacked with the plating. Ok, so now you want me to do untargetable creatures? Since we seem to be gravitating towards BGW, I'll use those colors to make a SB for living wish and compare to your SB.
Your SB:
1 Deed
1 Bant Charm (BLUE?!)
1 Gaddock
1 Hierarch
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Vindicate
1 Gerrard's Verdict
1 Doran
Leaving another 7 cards as meta choices (and oddly enough splashing U?)
My SB:
1 Tarmogoyf (Doran)
1 Augur of Skulls (it's just a small bit worse than verdict)
1 Ethersworn Cannonist (>Gaddock)
1 Ravenous Baloth (easier to play than hierarch) (you might run hierarch md)
0 Kitchen Finks (imho baloth is enough)

OK, so I am approaching your "ur not able to sweep/ kill black creatures" with the strategy of doing both at the same time.

1 Kataki
1 Nova Cleanser
1 Bane of the Living/Tabernacle (depends on which build of The Rock you've got)
1 Wasteland (kills lands, HA take that vindicate!)

If WG isn't a good legacy control color pair (I agree with you on this), then why are you suggesting to put glittering wish in a slow deck with lots of board control? And you are seriously illiterate if you STILL think that I am talking about it being CENTERED around a wish, that would be stupid...

let me quote myself:
"I also was not talking about a wish-based deck, simply asking if we (the source) could make an effort to prove me wrong that living wish isn't simply better than glittering wish. Lol at how you claim for my reading skills to be bad yet didn't read my post."

That would be a garbage sideboard, having all of those in one spot. I listed all of those cards as possibilities. Don't be an idiot.

Tabernacle does not sweep the board. That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen.

I did not leave affinity at one land, I said 5/2 or larger, once again, actually read.

If you remember your previous post, you used fulminator mage that time. We know you can get nonbasic lands, I'm not arguing that, don't be an idiot.

You continue to make sweeping broadsides without backing up any of your statements. Saying that Canonist is better than Gaddock is not a possible statement, because it comes down to preference and what you want to stop.

This a brainstorm, merely for ideas to try out. Coming in and bringing up a card that doesn't have much to do with what the discussion is based on (excepting the fact that is another wish-effect) and saying it's better and then giving bad reasons why is useless. Coming in here not having tried this out or tested it and just saying it's probably weak is useless unless you plan to try and find out. If you do not think this idea has a chance, then stop posting here.

[bowvamp]

"then stop posting here."
OK, I will, as will (hopefully) everyone else.

[puppektion]

Honestly bowvamp, since you started posting here (this thread, not the source. then again...) I've wanted to punch somebody in the face. Honestly, give some constructive criticism to the topic at hand, or GTFO.

Now, really, it seems like your best bet is going to be GWx control, either going U for meddling mage or B for Pernicious deed and Vindicate. I'll try testing out a couple different color combinations on MWS, we'll see what my tests yield.