[TOURNAMENT] 4 Underground Seas 9/15/07 Hadley, Ma

[OffTheWall]

In trying to keep up with a large monthly Legacy events, Off the Wall Games will be running a tournament for 4x Underground Seas for the month of September.

Date: Saturday September 15th 2007
Start Time: 1:00PM Registration begins at 11:30 PM (try to be on time, we will be starting promptly at 1:00)
Type: Legacy (1.5)
Cost: $10.00
Minimum of 12 People
Where: 41 Russell ST
Hadley, MA 01035

1st place: 4 Underground Seas or $125.00 store credit
2nd place: 4 Tundras or $100.00 store credit
3rd Place: 4 Scrublands or $70.00 store credit
4th Place: 4 Flooded Strands or $40.00 store credit
5th-8th Places each get 6 boosters.
This will be a SANCTIONED event.
Hope to see you there!

The Main prize is a little smaller this month, but I tried to make up for it by keeping 2-4 higher and increasing 5-8th

If you have any questions post them here or call Kevin at 413-586-5451.

[Slay]

I am totally in on this. Nice prizes.
-Slay

[RoddyVR]

had no plans for the 15th... till now that is.

[Jaynel]

Ooh, interesting. Is there a car going from the suburbs of Boston?

[KillemallCFH]

Ooh, interesting. Is there a car going from the suburbs of Boston?Since people will be back in school by the time this tournament happens, there is a good chance that our car isn't going to be full this time. If it isn't, we'll give you a ride, because at least my brother and I are definitely going to make this.

[technogeek5000]

It couldnt have been the 16th, winning duels on ur b-day is always cool... Ill probably be able to come to this one.

[Bane of the Living]

I wont be able to make this one. I cant keep taking saturdays off.

[ForceofWill]

I'll be there to defend the turf Cough get third Cough...

[from Cairo]

Wow good prize support, will try to get out to this one.

[insertnamehere]

:eek: WOW!!! Guess I will be there as usual. If anyone needs stuff for the tournament P.M. me.I will try to get what I can or locate it for you.

[Hatthehat]

If only I did live in Ireland or have a life!

[TrialByFire]

F-ing A, sorry kev, cant make this one, going to a concert that day.

figures, this one has the best prize support yet

[ForceofWill]

I think you should switch the 3rd and 4th place prizes. I mean scrublands are worth way more than undergrounds right ;) .

[Lego]

I guess I'll drive. Jaynel, riding along? Ebensugenya (how the heck is that spelled?)... I'll drive if you guys'll chip in for gas. Plus, one of you has to stuff into the back seat. Sweet bucket seats in my new car.

Anywho, lemme know who needs a ride from Boston.

[Jaynel]

Yeah, I'll drive up to Newton if you guys can give me a lift. I'll be bringing Rune Factory :cool:

[technogeek5000]

Seeing if we get the same amount of people this time what will the prizes be for 5-8.

[OffTheWall]

5-8 will still be 6 packs, which is double what they have been previously. With keeping the entrance fee to $10.00 I already need 35 people to break even.

[technogeek5000]

Well that and running a tourney brings people to the store who will buy cards. if your worried about breaking even then why not try a side event.

[technogeek5000]

Im gonna need black fetches. I already have 3 deltas but i dont have any bloodstained mires. I you could help me out then please PM me.

[KillemallCFH]

There are going to be a few cards I need to borrow/buy/trade for:
3 Foothills
1 Cave-In
2 Counterbalance
1 Top

There's probably more I can't think of right now; if there is I'll edit them in later. I'm hoping Kevin has some of the cards there to buy, but I'd rather not rely on buying them there, on the off-chance he doesn't have them (and I'd rather just trade for/borrow the foothills, as I really don't feel like spending much money).

[Wallace]

I am plaing on comeing from the CUSE. I am looking for 3 more people to ride along. nickrit2000 said he was prob in. LMK if anybody else from the area wants to go. We will be leaving Syracuse round 8am on sat. This will be a day trip. PM me if you are intrested.

[Shriekmaw]

I am plaing on comeing from the CUSE. I am looking for 3 more people to ride along. nickrit2000 said he was prob in. LMK if you want to go. We will be leaving Syracuse round 8am on sat. This will be a day trip.


I would love to go down to Mass. and get to play some legacy magic. Jason, if you get another person or 2 thats interested, let me know b/c this could be a fun trip for the weekend.

[Getsickanddie]

Well shit, if it doesn't cost too much, and it's basically a day trip I might be down for this one.

[technogeek5000]

A little more then a week away until this thing. It seems the syracuse people are coming up for this event so attendance looks good.

[Bane of the Living]

NY is gonna go?? Shit maybe its time for a sick day @ work.

[Madmaniac21]

I might not be able to make this one due to IT training.

That means there might be one less t8 appearance for 4cLandstill.

[VsTheWorld]

Good to hear. Landstill rapes me.

[KillemallCFH]

Still looking for 3 Foothills, a Cave-In, and a Top. Maybe 'Cuse can help me out?

[Bane of the Living]

Still looking for 3 Foothills, a Cave-In, and a Top. Maybe 'Cuse can help me out?

Necro will extend its love to you. FOR YOUR SOUL!

[Wallace]

Ok if you are from the Cuse or surrounding areas lmk if you would like to go to this! We Have 3 now need 1 more! nickrit2000, Getsickanddie, and myself are all attending. PM me soon please. Have lots of room and great gas milage!

[insertnamehere]

Finally some more GOOD PLAYERS coming to Western MA. Excluding Team Necro and a few Crayons everybody else is pretty much a noob.

[Shriekmaw]

Finally some more GOOD PLAYERS coming to Western MA. Excluding Team Necro and a few Crayons everybody else is pretty much a noob.


Don't worry, the 4 players that are coming from Syracuse will definitely bring the goods, hopefully it will be a good turnout and I expect to have a lot of fun while we are down there.

Plus, I'll bring all my good Legacy cards down with me in case some of you guys want to trade. I do have a lot of good stuff which I don't really talk about, but everyone in Syracuse knows what I have.

[Madmaniac21]

Finally some more GOOD PLAYERS coming to Western MA. Excluding Team Necro and a few Crayons everybody else is pretty much a noob.

I'm severely hurt by this, unless I'm considered an honorary member of Necro or something.

[insertnamehere]

I'm severely hurt by this, unless I'm considered an honorary member of Necro or something.

There are a couple of other players that are good, I may noy know them though.

[VsTheWorld]

There are a couple of other players that are good, I may noy know them though.

Our unofficial team of 5 people from Stoughton, Mass has 3 combined T8's, including 2 2nd place finishes, the last 2 Hadley tournaments. That might make us borderline good.

[technogeek5000]

Lol i have this and a birthday the next day. This is gonna be a fun weekend. Also my dad will finally be playing.


Finally some more GOOD PLAYERS coming to Western MA. Excluding Team Necro and a few Crayons everybody else is pretty much a noob.

I consider myself a good player. Doesnt matter though... the more good players that come to this the more good players that wont be taking first :tongue:

[ForceofWill]

I"ve placed third in every tourney I've ever played in.

[TrialByFire]

I"ve placed third in every tourney I've ever played in.

LOL. Its true. I've seen it with my own eyes. My schedule has also just opened up, so I'll be looking forward to taking some rare lands home, or at least just having an awesome time. Keep up the good work Kev.

[ForceofWill]

Oh so close I just can't wait. I'll see everyone there :).

[insertnamehere]

Oh so close I just can't wait. I'll see everyone there :).

This could very well be one of the best tournaments. If anyone needs anything that I may have just look for me. I will have name tags if anyone wants them.

[KillemallCFH]

This should be good. Unfortunately, I'm only bringing 3 this time (including myself). School gets in the way of Magic sometimes. Oh well.

Oh, and I just realized I've been using shocks as proxies this whole time and I'm in need of 4 Bolts (my friend has my 4). I'm sure someone has extras that they could lend me.

[Madmaniac21]

Looks like I'll actually be showing up.

Time to build something fun and exciting that kills creatures.

Don't MD answers to The Abyss. Thanks.

[technogeek5000]

Dont worry i will:wink:

[KillemallCFH]

...And we're off!

[technogeek5000]

Lol i dont leave till a little later. Just got to wake my dad up so we can start the 2 hour drive.

[insertnamehere]

I sure hope there are more good players than NOOBS.

[ForceofWill]

what a disgusting tourney. No third for me ;(. I'm tired as f$%^ peace everyone.

[Jaynel]

Congrats to Killemall for getting second, and LAM for getting 5-8 (somewhere in there).

[Slay]

Tournament was awesome. Everyone rocked.
-Slay

[VsTheWorld]

I officially hate Landstill. Forever. More than anything else. Congrats to my brother KillemallCFH for 2nd place though.

[ForceofWill]

well I'm typing this from bed.

Props: VsTheWorlds driving on the way home. and for giving me a ride
Sacearuse for type4ing
Most everyone including Lego (he got better after he got his ass
handed to him in top 8 ;) er I mean finished the tourney)
Deep Purple for the song Smoke on the water
Kowal for reminding me I once played that format

Slops: Leyline of the void (that douche bag was everywhere)
VsTheWorlds driving on the way there and Killemall blasting them right
into my face
Lego while playing magic (dude you're an asshat at times)
Goblin players with MD crypt
Ichorid for not showing the love
Necro for barely showing up
Me for sucking

I'll edit if I think of more.....

[KillemallCFH]

'Twas a jolly good time. Congrats to everyone in the top 8, and congrats to the winner. I'm exhausted right now... I'll post tomorrow with some actual content when I'm not so tired.

[Zach Tartell]

What actually top 8'd? How many people?

[Getsickanddie]

How many people?

38

[from Cairo]

What actually top 8'd? How many people?

36-38 I think

1. Thresh URG
2. Thresh UGRW (w/ Wastelands)
3/4. Goblins (w/ MD Crypts)
3/4. Agro Domain (maybe there is a more elegant name for this deck?)

Someone else could maybe fill out the rest of the top 8, I know Cephalid Breakfast was in there. :laugh:

[KillemallCFH]

36-38 I think

1. Thresh URG
2. Thresh UGRW (w/ Wastelands)Actually, UGrw won. StP's a bitch in the mirror.

[Jaynel]

There was one Affinity and at least one Cephalid Breakfast in the top 8.

[Slay]

Don't forget misdirected Lightning Bolts ftw.
-Slay

[OffTheWall]

I would like to thank everyone that came out for the event. We had 38 people, quite a few of them were new faces to our tournaments.

Top 8
1. UGRW thresh (Pat Kelaher (might be spelled wrong))
2. UGR thresh (Jeremy Blumenthal)
3. Gaea's might (Rich Meyst)
3. Goblins (Jutsin Brinner)
5-8. GWB control (Neil Butler)
Ravager (Joe Bernier)
Suicide Black (Derek Brown)
Cephalid Breakfast (Evn Tomeny)

I will leave it up to the players to post a decklist if they choose.

I hope everyone had a good time, thanks again for coming out!

[KillemallCFH]

Don't forget misdirected Lightning Bolts ftw.
-SlayI will never forget that...

I'm pretty sure the top 8 was as follows:
1. UGrw Thresh
2. UGr Thresh (Me)
3-4. Goblins
3-4. Domain Zoo
5-8. Affinity
5-8. Cephalid Breakfast (LAM)
5-8. White Death (technogeek)
5-8. ??? (I think it might've been a landstill, but I'm not sure)

[Wallace]

Wow there were no Dead Guy, Red Death, or MBC in the top 8? Seemed like half the field was playing one of those 3 decks?!

[Rehallek]

This is Pat the winner I figured I'd post my decklist.

3x Tropical Island
3x Volcanic Island
2x Tundra
4x Flooded Strand
3x Polluted Delta
3x Wasteland

4x Nimble Mongoose
4x Tarmogoyf
2x Wee Dragonaut

4x Force of Will
3x Daze
2x Counterspell
3x Stifle
1x Misdirection

4x Swords to Plowshares
3x Lightning Bolt
3x Fire//Ice
1x Engineered Explosives

4x Serum Visions
3x Brainstorm
1x Fact or Fiction

Sideboard
4x Echoing Truth
2x Engineered Explosives
1x Misdirection
2x Pithing Needle
2x Ancient Grudge
2x Krosan Grip
2x Pyroclasm

Congrats to everyone in the T8. They were all great matches.

[boris23]

ur my hero by playing wee dragonauts u dersved to win!!!!

[troopatroop]

This is Pat the winner I figured I'd post my decklist.

3x Tropical Island
3x Volcanic Island
2x Tundra
4x Flooded Strand
3x Polluted Delta
3x Wasteland

4x Nimble Mongoose
4x Tarmogoyf
2x Wee Dragonaut

4x Force of Will
3x Daze
2x Counterspell
3x Stifle
1x Misdirection

4x Swords to Plowshares
3x Lightning Bolt
3x Fire//Ice
1x Engineered Explosives

4x Serum Visions
3x Brainstorm
1x Fact or Fiction

Sideboard
4x Echoing Truth
2x Engineered Explosives
1x Misdirection
2x Pithing Needle
2x Ancient Grudge
2x Krosan Grip
2x Pyroclasm

Congrats to everyone in the T8. They were all great matches.

You're playing 4 colors, with wasteland, and 18 lands.

That's stupid.

EDIT: And 7 Cantrips

[boris23]

I didn't pay attention to that part and yes thats dumb

[Rehallek]

You're playing 4 colors, with wasteland, and 18 lands.

That's stupid.

EDIT: And 7 Cantrips

It is dumb, but oh well I still won. I wasn't mana screwed at all the entire day and I was lucky enough to only face one deck with wasteland. I wasn't unhappy with my deck at all. Will I run it again. Idk, but oh well.

[boris23]

well guess u got some luck then

[Rehallek]

well guess u got some luck then

I have that luck and the playset of Underground Seas I won. Yah.

[Madmaniac21]

"Top 8
1. UGRW thresh (Pat Kelaher (might be spelled wrong))
2. UGR thresh (Jeremy Blumenthal)
3. Gaea's might (Rich Meyst)
3. Goblins (Jutsin Brinner)
5-8. GWB control (Neil Butler)
Ravager (Joe Bernier)
Suicide Black (Derek Brown)
Cephalid Breakfast (Evn Tomeny) "

WOW.

So I really wished I had just shown up and played landstill. That deck could have walked through a field like that with the pilot blindfolded.

[VsTheWorld]

There was plenty of Landstill. Trust me. I was playing Red-splash Faerie Stompy and had the misfortune of facing 3 Landstill decks.

[boris23]

thats happened to me before so dont feel so bad i lost 2 of the 3 also

[ForceofWill]

all the landstill decks were taken down by ichorid. You can't judge a meta by the top 8.

[Getsickanddie]

Wow there were no Dead Guy, Red Death, or MBC in the top 8? Seemed like half the field was playing one of those 3 decks?!

There was one Deadguyesque type deck in top 8.

Congrats to all who made top 8. This was a nice event, and I'd certainly make the trip back.

[mikekelley]

I love how people jump on the winner's deck instantly.


He just won the tournament, it can't be that bad!

Simmer down. He clearly predicted the meta well, built a deck that would handle the meta and won the tournament.

[troopatroop]

I love how people jump on the winner's deck instantly.


He just won the tournament, it can't be that bad!

Simmer down. He clearly predicted the meta well, built a deck that would handle the meta and won the tournament.

He's playing 15 lands and 4 colors. It's awful.

[Shriekmaw]

He's playing 15 lands and 4 colors. It's awful.


I would appreciate if your going to comment, then at least explain your reason with a more sound argument then the deck was just awful. The deck was a very good choice for the metagame up there and the winner deserves some praise even though the deck list is not your standard Threshold list.

Congrads to the winner.

[technogeek5000]

I was the player who piloted the
Deadguyesque deck. It wasnt suicide black because i splashed white but it wasnt deadguy either because i played to much aggro. it was a fun tournament but i will wont be able to attend any more of these as of now because 2 hours is to long of a drive to not take home legacy playables. My packs were utter crap. The best card i got was i think faerie conclave.

[troopatroop]

I would appreciate if your going to comment, then at least explain your reason with a more sound argument then the deck was just awful. The deck was a very good choice for the metagame up there and the winner deserves some praise even though the deck list is not your standard Threshold list.

Congrads to the winner.

It's basic logic first and foremost, that you're a good enough player to understand. Usually Thresh runs 17-18 lands, basically because testing has proven that that is the optimal amount of lands to run without getting mana screwed or color screwed in the face of Wasteland, and not being mana flooded as well. Granted, 17-18 lands is usually not enough for most decks, but with Thresh's large arsenal of cantrips and low mana curve, they can get away with lowering their landcount, and still run smoothly. His build denies both of those concepts and plays 15 color producing land, and only 7 cantrips. Granted, he is playing 3 wasteland which produce colored mana, but it's a hard sell to call them steady mana production when you've spread yourself into 4 colors and the majority of your spells aren't even asking for colorless mana.

The fact that he won the tournament indicates to me that he did indeed get lucky. He states that he never got mana screwed once? Only played against Wasteland once?

This shows a misunderstanding of the basic concepts that testing and math have proven in this game.

[Shriekmaw]

The fact that he won the tournament indicates to me that he did indeed get lucky. He states that he never got mana screwed once? Only played against Wasteland once?



People just don't get lucky all the time that wins tournaments. I'm sure most of the players that attended this tournament do not appreciate you ripping the winner's deck apart, especially from someone that didn't bother showing up.

[boris23]

i dont know what you guys play over there butwhy wasnt anyone playing wastelands its usally got a use as its a land and it can also destroy nonbasics.


or did you just get lucky and avoid the people playing wastelands?

Last "verbal" warning since I'm too nice. You need to clean up your posts. They are barely readable. We will be issuing warnings to you about grammar from here on.

-PR

[Rehallek]

I'd like to thank Nickrit2000 and mikekelly for sticking up for myself and my deck.

@ Troopatroop: I went playing the deck I felt the most comfortable playing. I'm the first to admit I got lucky by not playing many decks with wasteland and not getting mana screwed, but at least give me some credit. I don't think it's all luck only losing three games the entire day.

I played red because the burn is just good in the late game and with wee dragonauts and it improves my goblins matchup. I played white for STP. From the last tournament I played in when I was playing only the red splash I felt I didn't have enough answers to higher toughness creatures and the four swords seemed to help a lot.

[boris23]

It never seemed that bad the only problem is your manabase I think.

[insertnamehere]

First off, Great Job again Kevin on another fantastic tourney.
I would like to say if you were not at the tournament don't judge how someone's deck is in your opinion. As for you Troop, why don't you hop on your bicycle and ride down here and play instead of making decisions Pat's Deck.

Also I finally realized that people will do almost anything to get Tarmogoyf's. Geez Lego are you that despirate to get Tarmogoyf's.

That's all I got to say.

[Rehallek]

As far as the mana base is concerned, I'm relatively aware it's iffy. But with fetches it never really seemed to be a problem. Nothing is double costed so I only need one of each land out. I already had a bad matchup to anything playing reccuring wasteland. And I'm not too concerned if it's not reccurring. I may add the one time I did play against wasteland he started off with double wasteland. I still won that game. He wasted my first tropic and I ended up wasting his second wasteland.
As far as running the wastelands goes. I may end up not running them. But I did beat affinity because I wasted his Nexuses. It was also good against Ichorid wasting Colliseums.

[troopatroop]

People just don't get lucky all the time that wins tournaments. I'm sure most of the players that attended this tournament do not appreciate you ripping the winner's deck apart, especially from someone that didn't bother showing up.

See now you're throwing irrelevant things in there. Yes, luck can indeed win a tournament. Don't act like this game doesn't involve luck, of course it does, and in my testing, winning with the manabase he played was lucky. If the players that played in the tournament don't like that I'm ripping his manabase apart, Okay? Why would they not like that? That's their problem.

I didn't show up because I'm in fucking College. Some people have shit to do.

[Getsickanddie]

I didn't show up because I'm in fucking College. Some people have shit to do.

I'm not sure if that was a condescending remark towards TheNick, but I'm pretty sure that your "shit to do" at a state university is fairly irrelevant compared to the "shit" Nick does with banking/financial advising.

Rehallek Lavamancer's manabase certainly looks unstable, and luck is always a part of winning any sizable event. That said, you also don't win an event of this size on just luck alone. So congratulations to Rehallek Lavamancer on his win.

[DragoFireheart]

See now you're throwing irrelevant things in there. Yes, luck can indeed win a tournament. Don't act like this game doesn't involve luck, of course it does, and in my testing, winning with the manabase he played was lucky. If the players that played in the tournament don't like that I'm ripping his manabase apart, Okay? Why would they not like that? That's their problem.

If what you are saying is true then he should have been mana screwed many more times. The fact of the matter is that while he only had a few color-making lands he had wastelands to make up for this. By using less cantrips he'll draw more "cards" that do something other than search his deck.

[insertnamehere]

I'm not sure if that was a condescending remark towards TheNick, but I'm pretty sure that your "shit to do" at a state university is fairly irrelevant compared to the "shit" Nick does with banking/financial advising.

Rehallek Lavamancer's manabase certainly looks unstable, and luck is always a part of winning any sizable event. That said, you also don't win an event of this size on just luck alone. So congratulations to Rehallek Lavamancer on his win.

much agreed, in regards to Troops comment, I believe that was aimed towards me. My response is what about when school was not in session? HUH

Troop, if you want to discuss this we can do it either by PM or at the mana leak.

[bigbear102]

I do have to agree with Troop for the most part. Playing a deck with an extremely shaky manabase, which i think everyone would agree that the winning deck did not have a stable manabase, is a very big risk in any large tournament. I am not saying that the pilot was not a good player, because you obviously have to know what you are doing to win a large tourney.

I think what Troop was trying to express was that this deck is not a version that would be a good choice to play in a big tourney most of the time. The pilot did have to get lucky to win the tourney with that manabase.

This is actually a compliment to the pilot because skill, and a little luck in matchups, overrode the fact that the deck had a higher than average probability to get manascrewed.

On another note, it is a testament to how good gro/thresh is right now. Two decks made the top 2, and one of them with a shaky manabase.

Congrats to everybody that made top 8. If I hadn't had to work I might have tried to get a ride out there, and wrecked ur face with wastelands!


I'm not sure if that was a condescending remark towards TheNick, but I'm pretty sure that your "shit to do" at a state university is fairly irrelevant compared to the "shit" Nick does with banking/financial advising.

Saying that college is less time consuming that work is a bit off. A 40 hour a week job is just that. Weekends are your own time. College has a lot more extra things that take time. Your weekdays are usually less crowded, but weekends can be busy. I don't know about nick's job personally, but I am assuming here.

On another note, I hate troop with a passion, so go to town.

[troopatroop]

much agreed, in regards to Troops comment, I believe that was aimed towards me. My response is what about when school was not in session? HUH

Troop, if you want to discuss this we can do it either by PM or at the mana leak.

Whoa what? How did you think that was directed towards you? I know we've had a disagreement before, but no that wasn't directed at anyone. It's just a silly argument to say, "Oh well you shouldn't talk, you weren't even there!". I didn't even think about going, I don't think it matters much.

Why is it such a lucrative statement to say that someone had a nice run of luck? I'm only basing it on my own experiences.

[troopatroop]

On another note, I hate troop with a passion, so go to town.

Wait why? I don't think we've even met really.

[Wallace]

I'm with Nick on this one. I was there and got to see the meta game first hand. There were some really strange builds of some standard legacy decks. I mean every Dead Guy/Red Death/Sui deck I seen ran Carnophage, just to mention one. It was a good turn out at like 37 I think. I played Burn and lost to goblins? I lost to Farie Stompy? These are two decks I should destroy but diden't. So yes maybe the winner did get lucky, or maybe he just knew the meta better. Either way if you were not there you shoulden't judge other peoples builds or question there skill as a player.

I would like to thank Off the Wall Games for running this great event. I hope we can come down from the cuse again sometime. Congrats to the top 8 and to the winner. Also thanks to the few guys who played some type 4, it was fun! It made the 1-3 day a little easier to deal with.

[troopatroop]

I'm with Nick on this one. I was there and got to see the meta game first hand. There were some really strange builds of some standard legacy decks. I mean every Dead Guy/Red Death/Sui deck I seen ran Carnophage, just to mention one. It was a good turn out at like 37 I think. I played Burn and lost to goblins? I lost to Farie Stompy? These are two decks I should destroy but diden't. So yes maybe the winner did get lucky, or maybe he just knew the meta better. Either way if you were not there you shoulden't judge other peoples builds or question there skill as a player.

I would like to thank Off the Wall Games for running this great event. I hope we can come down from the cuse again sometime. Congrats to the top 8 and to the winner.

I never questioned anyone skill at all, I simply said he didn't run enough lands. 15 Colored lands out of 18 in a 4 color deck is not optimal.

Why do I have to be there to look at his decklist?

[Getsickanddie]

Saying that college is less time consuming that work is a bit off. A 40 hour a week job is just that. Weekends are your own time. College has a lot more extra things that take time. Your weekdays are usually less crowded, but weekends can be busy. I don't know about nick's job personally, but I am assuming here.

What the fuck are you talking about? I never said it was less time consuming. "I didn't show up because I'm in fucking College. Some people have shit to do." implies that Nick has nothing better to do, which is certainly not true.

Oh, and thanks for the lecture about the difference between college (graduated 2003) and working (since I was 16).

[troopatroop]

What the fuck are you talking about? I never said it was less time consuming. "I didn't show up because I'm in fucking College. Some people have shit to do." implies that Nick has nothing better to do, which is certainly not true.

No no no, you implied that. I didn't mean it that way, all I meant was that I couldn't be there, I've never even met Nick. I have no reason to say something like that.

I should have said "I had shit to do".

[Wallace]

The fact that he won the tournament indicates to me that he did indeed get lucky. He states that he never got mana screwed once? Only played against Wasteland once?

This shows a misunderstanding of the basic concepts that testing and math have proven in this game.

Indicating that he got lucky, to me at least, is questioning his skill as a player. You don't have to be there to see his decklist, you need to be there to see everyone else's list.

[troopatroop]

Indicating that he got lucky, to me at least, is questioning his skill as a player. You don't have to be there to see his decklist, you need to be there to see everyone else's list.

My testing has shown, that going that many rounds without once getting mana screwed with the manabase he was running was lucky. That's not to say that he isn't a good player, because I've never seen him play, but to make a decision like that to run that manabase indicates to me that he may not be a good player on that evidence alone. Being a good player to me is also being a good deckbuilder, and a pivotal point in deckbuilding is manabases. My experience is that, that few lands is quite dangerous, and he should have played more, or cut wastelands.

I think the confusion is lying at where other people think I'm saying he only won because he got lucky, and I'm not. I'm saying he got lucky for not being manascrewed, and that definitely contributed to him winning.

[Getsickanddie]

No no no, you implied that. I didn't mean it that way, all I meant was that I couldn't be there, I've never even met Nick. I have no reason to say something like that.

I should have said "I had shit to do".

Fair enough.

[Jaynel]

Also thanks to the few guys who played some type 4, it was fun! It made the 1-3 day a little easier to deal with.

I never got to join in on your games (I'm the kid who was wearing the white hat), but I saw some crazy shit involving Shining Shoal pitching a Treva.

[Di]

Blah blah blah shutting the fuck up.