Piles of Proxies

[Sanguine Voyeur]

I'm going to be thoroughly testing soon, and I need deck lists. These are the decks I'll be proxing up;

Affinity
Angel Stompy
Belcher
Breakfast
Burn
Countersliver
Deadguy Ale
Death and Taxes
(by Finn (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6775))
Lands - 22
11 - Plains
4 - Karakas
4 - Rishadan Port
3 - Flagstones of Trokair

Creatures
3 - Isamaru, Hound of Konda
2 - True Believer
4 - Serra Avenger
3 - Silver Knight
2 - Samurai of the Pale Curtain
3 - Stonecloaker
3 - Mangara of Corondor

Spells
4 - Æther Vial
4 - Swords to Plowshares
4 - Mana Tithe
3 - Umezawa's Jitte
3 - Cataclysm

Demon Stompy
Faerie Stompy
(by Zulander)
Mono Blue/Red splash/White splash

Mana: 21
4 Chrome Mox
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
2 Seat of Synod/1 Great Furnace/1 Ancient Den
7 Island/Fetches and Duals

Creatures: 19
4 Trinket Mage
4 Looter-il Kor/Cloud of Faeries
4 Serendib Djinn
4 Sea Drake
3 Juggernaut/Flametounge Kavu/Exalted Angel

Control: 10
4 Force of Will
4 Chalice
1 Pithing Needle
1 Engineered Explosives/Tormod's Crypt

Other: 10
4 Sword of Fire and Ice
3 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Thirst for Knowledge

Goblins
High Tide
Ichorid
Iggy Pop
Landstill (four colour and Uw)
Loam (vague)
Mono-White Control (and Rifter)
Red Death
(byZulander)
Mana: 25
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
6 Swamps
4 Badlands
4 Dark Ritual
3 Wasteland

Beats: 16
4 Nantuko Shade
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Phyrexian Negator
3 Rotting Giant
1 Wretched Anurid

Disruption: 19
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Chain Lightning
4 Sinkhole
4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach

Stax (many colours)
Suicide Black
Survival (many types, I don't know much about Survival)
TES
Threshold (UGr, UGw, and UG)
UGr Threshold
Lands - 18
4 - Tropical Island
3 - Volcanic Island
3 - Polluted Delta
4 - Flooded Strand
3 - Island
1 - Forest

Creatures - 10
4 -Tarmogoyf
4 - Nimble Mongoose
2 - Fledgling Dragon

Spells
4 - Force of Will
4 - Daze
4 - Counterbalance
3 - Sensei's Divining Top
1 - Engineered Explosives
4 - Lightning Bolt
12 - Cantrips (Brainstorm, Mental Note, Predict, Portent, Serum Visions)
UWB Fish
Vaka Pox

What I need are optimized deck lists of each type.

I'm hoping this will become a compendium of sorts for future reference.

[zulander]

Faerie Stompy - Mono Blue/Red splash/White splash

Mana: 21
4 Chrome Mox
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
2 Seat of Synod/1 Great Furnace/1 Ancient Den
7 Island/Fetches and Duals/

Creatures: 19
4 Trinket Mage
4 Looter-il Kor/Cloud of Faeries
4 Serendib Djinn
4 Sea Drake
3 Juggernaut/Flametounge/Exalted Angel

Control: 10
4 FoW
4 Chalice
1 Pithing Needle
1 EE/Crypt

Other: 10
4 SoFI
3 Jitte
3 Thirst for Knowledge


Red Death

Mana: 25
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
6 Swamps
4 Badlands
4 Dark Ritual
3 Wasteland

Beats: 16
4 Nantuko Shade
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Phyrexian Negator
3 Rotting Giant
1 Wretched Anurid

Disruption: 19
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Chain Lightning
4 Sinkhole
4 Duress
4 Hymn

[TeenieBopper]

You know what would be totally awesome? If we had an entire forum dedicated to this sort of thing.

Oh wait, we do! (http://mtgthesource.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=24)

[zulander]

1. Not all the decks he wants are there.

2. I assume he doesn't want to look throught the hundreds of posts/pages there so I think this is a bit easier.

And imo I know no one else agrees, but you should test gagomy.

[TeenieBopper]

1. Not all the decks he wants are there.

2. I assume he doesn't want to look throught the hundreds of posts/pages there so I think this is a bit easier.

And imo I know no one else agrees, but you should test gagomy.

If it's not in that forum, is it really worth taking the time to test against it? I mean, if you can beat goblins, chances are you can beat some random shitty r/g aggro deck.

So... he want's someone else to take the time to read through hundreds of posts? Right. You know, every single thread in that forum has a decklist in the very first post. That should be a strong enough starting point. Entire strategies don't change because there are a five card difference in maindeck lists.

[zulander]

So... he wants someone else to take the time to read through hundreds of posts? Right.
Wrong. If you know a list post it, if not then don't. I don't see what's so hard about grasping this concept. Is it really that hard to post a list of a deck you play consistently? It took me about 1 minute to post the lists I did.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

So... he want's someone else to take the time to read through hundreds of posts?Yes I don't want to, but more importantly I won't know what lists are optimal. I don't know a thing about building Survival, Landstill, or many decks.

As I said, I also what this to be a reference to both new players and people in the same place as me. Suppose someone wants to play Angel Stompy. They go to Angel Stompy thread and what do they see? A list form '06. Suppose they dig though the thread retroactively and find a modern, yet terrible list. He plays the deck a few times, loses, loses interest, and stops playing Legacy.

Thanks for the lists Zulander.

[Ninj4]

is the mana base for Red Death a little off? last time I checked, it was
4 bloodstained
3 Polluted
3 Badlands
7 Swamps
4 Wasteland

it might've changed, but that 4th wasteland is pretty important imo

[frogboy]

I agree with TB, but if people want to waste their time then more power to them.

Speaking of wasting time, do you have any idea how long it's going to take you to run even five match sets across that entire gauntlet?

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Blek, screw it. That is a lot of time.

I think my gauntlet will be;

Death and Taxes
Ichorid
Breakfast
"Storm Combo"
Landstill
Goblins
Faerie Stompy
A B/x Disruption deck, probably Red Death
Thresh

Is Survival worth testing against? Witch storm should that be, TES, CRET Belcher, or Iggy Pop?

[Nihil Credo]

Do you want optimized lists, or gauntlet lists? There is quite a bit of difference, as you can guess.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Do you want optimized lists, or gauntlet lists? There is quite a bit of difference, as you can guess.I thought a gauntlet consisted of optimized lists.

Maybe I don't know what optimized means any more.

[Nihil Credo]

Optimized lists are just that; gauntlet lists are what people will usually play.

In other words, do not test against super secret tech ;)

Anyway, here's something lifted straight from my Gauntlet folder:

Cephalid Breakfast - as published on SCG:

// Lands
2 [PR] Underground Sea
4 [ON] Flooded Strand
4 [ON] Polluted Delta
3 [PR] Tundra
3 [PR] Tropical Island

// Creatures
1 [JU] Sutured Ghoul
1 [SH] Shaman en-Kor
3 [FUT] Narcomoeba
4 [TO] Cephalid Illusionist
4 [SH] Nomads en-Kor
4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf

// Spells
4 [PR] Force of Will
4 [PR] Brainstorm
3 [MI] Worldly Tutor
4 [DS] AEther Vial
3 [AL] Lim-Dul's Vault
1 [TSP] Dread Return
1 [SC] Dragon Breath
1 [DS] Echoing Truth
2 [WL] Abeyance

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [TO] Crippling Fatigue
SB: 2 [WL] Abeyance
SB: 3 [PR] Duress
SB: 3 [AP] Pernicious Deed
SB: 3 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 3 [SC] Stifle


Rg Goblins - featuring all of the most common options

// Lands
4 [MM] Rishadan Port
4 [TE] Wasteland
5 [UNH] Mountain
3 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
4 [ON] Wooded Foothills
3 [PR] Taiga

// Creatures
3 [GP] Tin Street Hooligan
3 [LE] Gempalm Incinerator
4 [US] Goblin Lackey
4 [TE] Mogg Fanatic
4 [ON] Goblin Piledriver
4 [SC] Goblin Warchief
4 [P2] Goblin Matron
3 [SC] Siege-Gang Commander
4 [AP] Goblin Ringleader

// Spells
4 [DS] AEther Vial

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [TSB] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 4 [AL] Pyrokinesis
SB: 4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
SB: 3 [TSP] Krosan Grip


UGr Thresh - lots of stuff I hate here, but that's not what matters:

// Lands
1 [UNH] Forest
3 [ON] Wooded Foothills
1 [UNH] Island
3 [ON] Flooded Strand
2 [ON] Polluted Delta
4 [PR] Tropical Island
4 [PR] Volcanic Island

// Creatures
4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
2 [JU] Fledgling Dragon
4 [OD] Nimble Mongoose

// Spells
4 [PR] Lightning Bolt
4 [NE] Daze
2 [SOK] Pithing Needle
2 [PR] Sensei's Divining Top
4 [PR] Brainstorm
2 [PR] Counterspell
4 [PR] Force of Will
4 [OD] Predict
4 [IA] Portent
2 [FD] Serum Visions

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [8E] Pyroclasm
SB: 3 [CS] Counterbalance
SB: 1 [PR] Sensei's Divining Top
SB: 2 [TSP] Ancient Grudge
SB: 2 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 3 [SC] Stifle


4C Landstill - probably less popular than U/W/x, but the latter is impossible to standardize:

// Lands
3 [ON] Flooded Strand
4 [PR] Tundra
4 [PR] Underground Sea
3 [PR] Tropical Island
4 [4E] Mishra's Factory
3 [JU] Nantuko Monastery
3 [ON] Polluted Delta

// Spells
4 [PR] Force of Will
4 [PR] Counterspell
4 [PR] Brainstorm
4 [OD] Standstill
3 [PR] Fact or Fiction
3 [SC] Stifle
4 [AP] Pernicious Deed
4 [4E] Swords to Plowshares
3 [TE] Diabolic Edict
1 [RAV] Life from the Loam
2 [DIS] Crime/Punishment

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [7E] Engineered Plague
SB: 4 [b] Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 4 [PS] Meddling Mage
SB: 3 [PLC] Extirpate
SB: 2 [TSP] Krosan Grip

Ichorid combo

// Lands
4 [OD] Cephalid Coliseum
4 [6E] City of Brass
4 [TSB] Gemstone Mine

// Creatures
4 [RAV] Stinkweed Imp
3 [RAV] Golgari Thug
4 [RAV] Golgari Grave-Troll
3 [FUT] Street Wraith
3 [TO] Ichorid
4 [FUT] Narcomoeba
1 [RAV] Flame-Kin Zealot
1 [TO] Cephalid Sage
3 [TO] Putrid Imp

// Spells
4 [PR] Cabal Therapy
3 [TO] Deep Analysis
4 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
4 [TO] Breakthrough
4 [FUT] Bridge from Below
3 [TSP] Dread Return

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [GP] Leyline of the Void
SB: 4 [ON] Chain of Vapor
SB: 3 [SOK] Pithing Needle
SB: 2 [JU] Ray of Revelation
SB: 2 [TSP] Ancient Grudge

CRET Belcher - again, I hate this version, but...

// Lands
1 [PR] Bayou
1 [PR] Taiga

// Creatures
4 [AL] Elvish Spirit Guide
4 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide
4 [IA] Tinder Wall

// Spells
4 [JU] Burning Wish
3 [TSP] Empty the Warrens
4 [PR] Dark Ritual
4 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
4 [MR] Goblin Charbelcher
4 [CHK] Desperate Ritual
4 [9E] Seething Song
4 [MM] Land Grant
4 [CS] Rite of Flame
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
4 [TE] Lotus Petal
3 [4E] Red Elemental Blast

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [TSP] Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 [8E] Pyroclasm
SB: 4 [GP] Shattering Spree
SB: 4 [IA] Pyroblast
SB: 1 [OD] Simplify
SB: 1 [SC] Goblin War Strike
SB: 1 [6E] Diminishing Returns
SB: 1 [DIS] Infernal Tutor
SB: 1 [PR] Duress

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Thanks, you kind of sprung those lists quickly.

Survival not worth it?

[Nihil Credo]

Much like U/W Landstill or "Loam", there is simply too much variation to come up with a gauntlet list. First of all, no colours are fixed other than Green. Secondly, individual card choices can affect matchups a lot: Flametongue Kavu was a staple until now, but will most players cut it with the rise of 'Goyf? Some players love Nimble Mongoose, and one of the main reasons for that is how it single-handedly improves the Goblin matchup a lot (by providing a reliable Lackey blocker). What about Loaming Shaman? Recurring Nightmare? Enlightened Tutor for consistent Survivals or extra beaters as a backup, non-SotF plan? Any such 2-3 cards have a huge effect on game plans, which just doesn't apply to the decks I provided.

[chmoddity]

You should probably include one of the BWG control or aggro control lists, preferrably Truffle Shuffle, since that one is the most extreme.

[Bane of the Living]

The Ichorid list shouldnt be running Street Wraiths if your playtesting to battle my team. Nor should D&T have True Believers.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

How about this for Death and Taxes. I have it saved in Workstation, but it's not mine.

// Lands
3 Wasteland
3 Rishadan Port
8 Plains
4 Karakas
4 Flagstones of Trokair

// Creatures
4 Serra Avenger
3 Silver Knight
3 Mangara of Corondor
3 Stonecloaker
3 Isamaru, Hound of Konda
3 Samurai of the Pale Curtain

// Spells
4 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Mana Tithe
4 AEther Vial
3 Cataclysm

// Sideboard
SB: 1 Samurai of the Pale Curtain
SB: 3 Sphere of Resistance
SB: 3 Jotun Grunt
SB: 3 Powder Keg
SB: 3 Abolish
SB: 2 Tivadar of Thorn

[Bane of the Living]

That looks more like the list thats destroying our metagame. I wont specify sb for obvious reasons. The biggest being he changes it so much..