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SuckerPunch
09-09-2007, 10:55 AM
There seem to be a lot independent lists floating around in the Sui Black, Red Death, Green Death and Vaka Pox threads of Sui Black decks with a white splash for Jotun Grunt and Vindicate or StP.

It makes sense, Jotun Grunt and StP are the two best counters to Goyf. And Vindicate is excellent with Sinkhole as extra land destruction.

But I really don't think such a deck would get anywhere as long as the lists and discussion is taking place in threads where they don't belong. I think it would be better to have one thread where all the discussion and development could take place.

At the very least, it would help clean up all those other threads.

White Death

//Disruption
4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole

//Creatures
4 Dark Confidant/Nantuko Shade/Smallpox
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Phyrexian Negator
3 Jotun Grunt

//Other
4 Dark Ritual
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Vindicate

//Lands
5 Swamp
4 Scrubland
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
4 Wasteland

//Sideboard
3 Jitte
3 Tormod’s Crypt
4 Engineered Plague
1 Darkblast
4 Ghostly Prison

The list just like the Green Death list is also obviously ripped off of Anwar's incredibly solid Red Death shell. So it's early and certainly has a lot of room for development.

cann0nfodder
09-09-2007, 11:55 AM
What seperates this deck from B/W Pikula Homebrew?

C.P.
09-09-2007, 12:20 PM
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5147

I made almost same deck long time ago, the deck is pretty solid. My final SB looked a lot different, though.

I think it was:

4 Engineered Explosives
4 Engineered Plague
3 Darkblast
4 Cabal Theraphy

edgewalker
09-09-2007, 12:21 PM
What seperates this deck from B/W Pikula Homebrew?

You are literally playing the exact same list or a variation of the list everyone is playing. This whole splashing a color to sui and calling it x death us starting to get really lame and really old real fast.

LordEvilTeaCup
09-09-2007, 12:23 PM
Ha ha ha, love your sig C.P. Anyway, I think White Death definitely deserves to be distinguished from Pikula's build. White Death's heart and soul are all of Sui Black descent. Its less controllish and far more aggressive.

Hummingbird TG
09-09-2007, 12:38 PM
What I posted in the Deadguy Ale thread:

Anyone can advise me further on this list? It's got two missing slots, which used to be sinkholes...


Mana

4 Scrubland
4 Bloodstained MIre
4 Polluted Delta
4 Wasteland
4 Dark Ritual
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Volrath's Stronghold
5 Swamp

Creatures

4 Dark Confidant
3 Nantuko Shade
2 Jotun Grunt
2 Tombstalker

Other

3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Unmask
4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Vindicate
1 Chainer's Edict/Diabolic Edict

Sideboard

4 Leyline of the Void (or should I run Planar Void?)
4 Engineered Plague
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Dystopia

Maindeck total 58... I'd rather run the Tombstalker over the Negator if I were you, too much red thresh running around for Negator's tastes...

SuckerPunch
09-09-2007, 12:38 PM
Pikula is a controllish deck that eshews awesome beaters like Negator for slow ass controllish cards like Engineered Plague and Cursed Scroll.

Cursed scroll is no Negator, and Deadguy is no Sui Black variant.

P.S. Tombstalker + Jotun Grunt is antisynergy. And Tombstalker is not easy to feed either. You need 7 cards in the yard to play it for cheap. This isn't thresh, and it doesn't play Pox (which singlehandedly puts 3 cards into the yard).

So it can't play Tombstalker before turn 6 or so on average.

Thats way too slow.

If the deck ran 4 maindeck Smallpox, Tombstalker might be a possibility.

Peter_Rotten
09-09-2007, 12:50 PM
This deck is similar enough to Pikula be discussed in the Homebrew/Pikula thread (http://mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2597). Please do so there.

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