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Baumeister
09-10-2007, 12:54 PM
Hello everyone. I'm new here to the Source but I've been playing Magic for a little over 10 years (I know, Urza block doesn't seem that old). I looked around the forums and found a thread for GW beatdown, but nothing for a midrange deck. When I say midrange, I mean quick solid creatures followed by a gamewarping spell like armageddon. This deck plays a little like the Armageddon decks from when Tempest was standard but with better beats. Anyway, here's the decklist:

Lands (21)
6 Forest
3 Plains
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
4 Rishadan Port

Creatures (21)
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Troll Ascetic
4 Iwamori of the Open Fist
2 Silvos, Rogue Elemental
4 Watchwolf
3 Anurid Brushhopper

Other Spells (18)
4 Rancor
3 Call of the Herd
3 Plow Under
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Armageddon

Card Choices

Lands:
Forests and Plains: They're basic so they dodge Wasteland
Savannah: Helps with the mana requirements and it's painless
Windswept Heath: Fetches lands and thins the deck
Rishadan Port: I run this over Wasteland because it's hurts more after an Armaggedon and can provide a quasi-lock. Could be replaced, though.

Creatures:
Llanowar Elves: Mana excelleration and a good first turn drop
Troll Ascetic: An amazing creature. A turn two troll applies a lot of early pressure.
Iwamori of the Open Fist: A good undercosted beatstick. Trample helps.
Silvos, Rogue Elemental: I know, nobody plays him. He's surprisingly good as a back-up plan. He's an 8/5 for 6, and the deck ramps up into him.
Watchwolf: A 3/3 for 2? I'll take four.
Anurid Brushhopper: Provides quick beats with a big backside.

Spells:
Rancor: It's good.
Call of the Herd: A card I get to play twice? Sounds good.
Plow Under: It costs 5, but it sets your opponent back 2 turns and the only thing they get to draw is lands. Chaining these together and be very frusterating for the opponent.
Swords to Plowshares: I have plains, so I run Swords.

Sideboard Options:
Anything that can stop combo is good. Orim's Chant, Abeyance, Gilded Light, etc. Krosan Grip is good. The new GW guy from Lorwyn - Gaddock Teeg should go in the sideboard. I didn't include a sideboard because my metagame is non-existant.

I didn't include Tarmogoyf because I don't have any and they currently sell for $20. Us poor college students can't purchase those good cards. I'm sure adding Tarmogoyf to the deck would improve it a lot, so don't tell me about it.

Playing the Deck:
It's fairly simple to play. Power out early threats and follow with a mana-denial spell. It's surprising how effective they are if you can make it to the mid-game. The deck has a lot of options when playing. A first turn Llanowar Elves can be followed by a Troll Ascetic, Call of the Herd, or Anurid Brushhopper. Watchwolf is always a good play on turn two and Swords to Plowshares should only be used on big threats. Your creatures should be able to handle most everything. All you need is one big threat followed by Armaggedon to gain control of the game.

There you have it. It probably won't win any big tournaments, but it is a lot of fun to play. Plus, people won't hate you for beating the shit out of them with a 6/7 critter for 2.

Isamaru
09-10-2007, 01:30 PM
You migh get some crap for posting this on the same day as Gaddock Teeg's spoiling.... haha. People might be building decks around him, so...

Baumeister
09-10-2007, 01:34 PM
Well, I've actually been tweaking this deck for a while. It's just coinsidence that they printed him. I saw the spoiler this morning and thought that now was probably a good time to post the list.

TheDrunkDwarf
09-10-2007, 01:37 PM
You might consider playing tangle wire over plow under. It seems to me that this deck lacks sufficient disruption against control and combo. Plow under seems slow, especially since it comes out after an armageddon would. You also might consider running something like umezawa's jitte/sword of fire and ice to make up for a lack of draw and to add some more removal.

Happy Gilmore
09-10-2007, 02:22 PM
This is what I think of when I hear GW midrange:

4 Watchwolf
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Gaddock Teeg (I can't help it, he is so good)
3 Isamaru
4 Skyshroud Elete

3 Call of the Herd/Stonecloaker
4 STP
4 Orim's Chant
4 Aether Vial
3 Jitte
4 Mana Tithe/Edge of Autumn/Armageddon (bad synergy with Gaddock but still good)

4 Lanowar Reborn
4 Windswept heath
1 Wooded Foothills
3 Flagstones
4 Savannah
2 Forest
2 Plains

Funny enough, Karakas could be good with this deck as well. Kind of reminds me of D & T with tarmogoyf. :laugh: Oh, and did I mention how sick Lanowar Reborn can be in the goyf on goyf battles?

Zilla
09-10-2007, 03:20 PM
Tarmogoyf is basically a requirement for any green aggro deck. I'd make room for him.

I'd also suggest testing with some equipment (Jitte most likely) and possibly Armadillo Cloak instead of Rancor, and then try running Cataclysm over Armageddon so you have an edge over early game aggressive decks like Goblins.

Baumeister
09-10-2007, 03:27 PM
This deck isn't focused on resolving an armaggedon. It's only a tool to try and control the board more. That's why I included both Plow Under and Armaggedon. They have different applications in different situations. This deck just has a lot of efficient creatures back up by some board sweepers. Replacing Armaggedon with Cataclysm might actually be a better step especially if you were running both Rancor and Jitte. Akroma's Vengeance is also an option, altough I think that pushes the curve too much.

If you want to add Tarmogoyf, then add it. I just don't have any.

Lands (21)
5 Forest
4 Plains
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
4 Rishadan Port

Creatures (22)
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Troll Ascetic
4 Exalted Angel
3 Watchwolf
3 Anurid Brushhopper

Spells (17)
4 Rancor
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Orim's Chant
4 Cataclysm
3 Umezawa's Jitte

At this point it just becomes GWAngelStompy.dec.

Armadillo Cloak is very good, but the fact that it costs three and presents a 2-for-1 is not as appealing as Rancor.

Happy Gilmore
09-10-2007, 04:03 PM
This deck isn't focused on resolving an armaggedon. It's only a tool to try and control the board more. That's why I included both Plow Under and Armaggedon. They have different applications in different situations. This deck just has a lot of efficient creatures back up by some board sweepers. Replacing Armaggedon with Cataclysm might actually be a better step especially if you were running both Rancor and Jitte. Akroma's Vengeance is also an option, altough I think that pushes the curve too much.

Understand that at 4, 5, and 6 cc your going to be outclassed by cheeper more powerful spells. For its mana cost Plow Under does very little against most of the legacy field. Silvos, although an awsome creature is way to slow to matter. If he resolves against a deck like UGR thresh then he is a complete house, but more often than not he will simply be a time walk for your opponent. Your deck would be great in an agro metagame but unfortunately that does not exist in legacy. Armageddon, Plow Under, and Swords are your only interactive spells. And only Swords is fast enough to make a difference. If you can't win by turn three you need to be able to stop your opponent by then.

Citrus-God
09-10-2007, 04:09 PM
A good GW Midrange deck is Terrageddon. Please remember this deck's awesomeness.

// Lands 25
4 Tranquil Thicket
2 Secluded Steppe
1 Nantuko Monastery
3 Wasteland
3 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
1 Plains
3 Savannah
2 Bayou
2 Forest


// Creatures 20
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Terravore
4 Werebear
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Eternal Witness
1 Genesis


// Spells 15
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Armageddon
4 Life from the Loam
3 Solitary Confinement


// Sideboard 15
4 Tivadar's Crusade
2 Duress
2 Extirpate
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Sword of Fire and Ice

zulander
09-10-2007, 04:12 PM
Terrageddon needs more Vinelasher Kudzo, less cycling lands, 1 more savanah, and 4 flagstones.

Citrus-God
09-10-2007, 04:16 PM
Terrageddon needs more Vinelasher Kudzo, less cycling lands, 1 more savanah, and 4 flagstones.

Exploration would work in there too!

I also want to see Horizon Canopy in that deck as well.

zulander
09-10-2007, 04:21 PM
I think I'm going to go build some terrageddon, seems pretty solid with a blue splash.

Nihil Credo
09-10-2007, 04:32 PM
Horizon Canopy is pretty bad without Crucible.

zulander
09-10-2007, 04:37 PM
let's not hijack this thread with terrageddon. I'll necro the old one if I can find it, otherwise I'll just make a new one in N&D.

Citrus-God
09-10-2007, 04:46 PM
let's not hijack this thread with terrageddon. I'll necro the old one if I can find it, otherwise I'll just make a new one in N&D.

Yea, you should.

zulander
09-10-2007, 05:50 PM
Yea, you should.

Done. (http://mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6947)

Mordenkain
09-11-2007, 06:22 AM
Needs more goyf.

Baumeister
09-11-2007, 10:43 AM
I changed the deck up quite a bit. I dropped the curve to smooth the deck out a little bit. Now you can almost always hit solid creatures every turn. Tarmogoyf is a huge boost to the deck, of course, and I added Jitte for savage beatings.

Lands (21)
7 Forest
6 Plains
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath

Creatures (24)
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Troll Ascetic
4 Exalted Angel
4 Watchwolf
4 Anurid Brushhopper

Other Spells (15)
4 Rancor
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Cataclysm
3 Umezawa's Jitte

Both Tarmogoyf and Watchwolf are pretty solid on turn two, and followed with a Troll or Anurid Brushhopper hurts a lot. I dropped Rishadan Port to aleviate the demands of both Cataclysm and Exalted Angel. Dropping a Cataclysm with a Rancor-equipped Troll and a Jitte on the board is awesome. And, obviously, dropping Tarmogoyf after a Cataclysm is pretty good. The game still sucks against combo, but that's to be expected. Aggresive sideboarding can fix that up a little bit. It's got pretty good game against most aggresive decks because of the size of its beaters and control is winnable as long as you don't overextend.

Blair Phoenix
09-11-2007, 11:25 AM
I changed the deck up quite a bit. I dropped the curve to smooth the deck out a little bit. Now you can almost always hit solid creatures every turn. Tarmogoyf is a huge boost to the deck, of course, and I added Jitte for savage beatings.

Lands (21)
7 Forest
6 Plains
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath

Creatures (24)
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Troll Ascetic
4 Exalted Angel
4 Watchwolf
4 Anurid Brushhopper

Other Spells (15)
4 Rancor
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Cataclysm
3 Umezawa's Jitte

Both Tarmogoyf and Watchwolf are pretty solid on turn two, and followed with a Troll or Anurid Brushhopper hurts a lot. I dropped Rishadan Port to aleviate the demands of both Cataclysm and Exalted Angel. Dropping a Cataclysm with a Rancor-equipped Troll and a Jitte on the board is awesome. And, obviously, dropping Tarmogoyf after a Cataclysm is pretty good. The game still sucks against combo, but that's to be expected. Aggresive sideboarding can fix that up a little bit. It's got pretty good game against most aggresive decks because of the size of its beaters and control is winnable as long as you don't overextend.Hilarious considering my G/W midrange deck came out very much like this except mine is more like:
-4 Cataclysm
-4 land
-4 E Angel
-4 L Elves

+4 Armadillo Cloak
+4 Chrome Mox
+4 Silhana Ledgewalker
+4 Elvish Spirit Guide

Basically went for more aggressive with the extra pump and acceleration