3CB #2 - Subbing in for Giles

[Nihil Credo]

So, here are the competitors. Results are going to be added, as usual, to the Source 3CB Wiki (http://thesource3cb.pbwiki.com). Feel free to contribute ;)

1) Nihil - Worst Metagame Deck Ever
Mishra's Factory
Forest
Humble Budoka

2) RidiculousHat - No Name
Mishra's Workshop
Trinisphere
Steel Golem

3) Center425 - Insert Deck Name Here
Leyline of Singularity
Karakas
Isamaru, Hound of Konda

4) Marit - Savageness
Savannah
Swords to Plowshares
Durkwood Baloth

5) Pale Moon FTW - No Name
Mishra's Workshop
Ensnaring Bridge
Scalding Tongs

6) 3eowulf - Suicide Black
Black Lotus
Duress
Hand of Cruelty

7) Sacul Kamadaka - Flash
Dryad Arbor
Unmask
Sickening Shoal

8) Belgareth - The Sheltered Factory
Sheltered Valley
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Mishra's Factory

9) Technogeek5000 - Willy Wonka's Sweatshop of Doom
Mishra's Factory
Trinisphere
Steel Golem

10) TheChubbyMuffin - The Roof Is On Fire
Lightning Bolt
Fireball
Mercadian Bazaar

11) xsockmonkeyx - Epochrastax
Mishra's Workshop
Trinisphere
Epochrasite

12) Mordenkain - 3CB TriniStax
Mishra's Workshop
Trinisphere
Scalding Tongs

13) Illissius - O These Lands Who Do Between Nador and Caerbannog Lieth
Keldon Megaliths
Gruul Turf
Powder Keg

14) T is for Tool - Ridiculous pHat
Rushwood Grove
Vine Dryad
Tempting Wurm

15) DarkAkuma - No Name
Nether Spirit
Black Lotus
Pox

16) Tacosnape - 3 Land.dec
Maze of Ith
Blinkmoth Nexus
Vesuva

[Sanguine Voyeur]

7) Sacul Kamadaka - Flash
Dryad Arbor
Unmask
Sickening ShoalNice, I may have made a bad meta choice, but the name is well worth it.
4) Marit - Savageness
Savannah
Swords to Plowshares
Ravenous BalothIs that right? I don't see any way to cast the Baloth.

[Nihil Credo]

Heh, corrected. Of course it was that other Baloth.

[Ridiculous Hat]

RidiculousHat - Mishra's Workshop, Trinisphere, Steel Golem

Nihil - Mishra's Factory, Forest, Humble Budoka - WW - 6
Center425 - Leyline of Singularity, Karakas, Isamaru, Hound of Konda - DL - 7
Marit - Savannah, Swords to Plowshares, Durkwood Baloth - WW - 13
Pale Moon FTW - Mishra's Workshop, Ensnaring Bridge, Scalding Tongs - LL - 13
3eowulf - Black Lotus, Duress, Hand of Cruelty - WW - 19
Sacul Kamadaka - Dryad Arbor, Unmask, Sickening Shoal - WL - 22
Belgareth - Sheltered Valley, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Mishra's Factory - LL - 22
Technogeek5000 - Mishra's Factory, Trinisphere, Steel Golem - DD - 24
(i'm assuming he meant workshop)
TheChubbyMuffin - Lightning Bolt, Fireball, Mercadian Bazaar - DD - 26
xsockmonkeyx - Mishra's Workshop, Trinisphere, Epochrasite - DD - 28
Mordenkain - Mishra's Workshop, Trinisphere, Scalding Tongs - WW - 34
Illissius - Keldon Megaliths, Gruul Turf, Powder Keg - LL - 34
T is for Tool - Rushwood Grove, Vine Dryad, Tempting Wurm - LL - 34
(nice deck name btw)
DarkAkuma - Nether Spirit, Black Lotus, Pox - WD - 38
(on the draw, he just plays black lotus and sits there. i can't play anything because pox will beat my ass, he can't play anything because if he poxes i just play workshop->golem and he loses.)
Tacosnape - Maze of Ith, Blinkmoth Nexus, Vesuva - LL - 38

Whoever edited the wiki, tell me how I draw against grove/dryad/wurm please? I did the math and I think he's one turn ahead of me.

[DarkAkuma]

Damn! 4 Workshop/3Sphere decks...

Looks like my last minute desicion of "ill go with this deck since their probly wont be many 3Sphere decks" was wrong!

I figured this round would be all Arbor/Unmask, and probly evolutions of Giles's deck.

In hindsight, I should have gone with a storage land instead of lotus, lol.

[3eowulf]

I figured this round would be all Arbor/Unmask, and probly evolutions of Giles's deck.
Same thing here, and so I got owned.

28 points?



1) Nihil - DD (2)
2) RidiculousHat - LL (0)
3) Center425 - LL (0)
4) Marit - LL (0)
5) Pale Moon FTW - WD (4)
7) Sacul Kamadaka - WL (3)
8) Belgareth - LL (0)
9) Technogeek5000 - LL (0)
10) TheChubbyMuffin - WW (6)
11) xsockmonkeyx - LL (0)
12) Mordenkain - WL (3)
13) Illissius - WW (6)
14) T is for Tool - LL (0)
15) DarkAkuma - WD (4)
16) Tacosnape - LL (0)

[DarkAkuma]

Heres my attempt to interpert my results. I wasent involved in the last round, so havent done it before.

01.) TT 2
02.) LT 1
03.) TT 2
04.) TT 2
05.) TT 2
06.) TL 1
07.) WL 3
08.) TT 2
09.) TL 1
10.) WW 6
11.) TL 1
12.) WL 3
13.) WW 6
14.) TT 2
15.) ** *
16.) TT 2

Total = 36

Feel free to correct me when im wrong.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Here are my results, with the template shamelessly stolen from 3eowulf;

1) Nihil - LL (0)
2) RidiculousHat - WL (3)
3) Center425 - WW (6)
4) Marit - DL (1)
5) Pale Moon FTW - WL (3)
6) 3eowulf - WL (3)
7) Sacul Kamadaka - --
8) Belgareth - DD (2)
9) Technogeek5000 - WL (3)
10) TheChubbyMuffin - DD (2)
11) xsockmonkeyx - WL (3)
12) Mordenkain - WL (3)
13) Illissius - LL (0)
14) T is for Tool - LL (0)
15) DarkAkuma - WL (3)
16) Tacosnape - LL (0)

On the down side, I only got 32 points. I guess that's what I get for playing the deck to beat.

On the upside, I just shaped a meta.

[T is for TOOL]

1) Nihil - WW (6)
2) RidiculousHat - WW (6)
3) Center425 - LL (0)
4) Marit - LL (0)
5) Pale Moon FTW - LL (0)
6) 3eowulf - WW (6)
7) Sacul Kamadaka - WW (6)
8) Belgareth - LL (0)
9) Technogeek5000 - WW (6)
10) TheChubbyMuffin - WD (4)
11) xsockmonkeyx - WW (6)
12) Mordenkain - WW (6)
13) Illissius - LL (0)
14) T is for Tool - --
15) DarkAkuma - DD (2)
16) Tacosnape - LL (0)

TOTAL: 48

[Ridiculous Hat]

Running Center's deck because it is bad ass.

Center425 - Leyline of Singularity, Karakas, Isamaru, Hound of Konda

Nihil - Mishra's Factory, Forest, Humble Budoka - DD - 2
(the creatures just stare at each other. isamaru can't attack without being raced and the other 2/2s can't attack without dying to isamaru + karakas.)
RidiculousHat - Mishra's Workshop, Trinisphere, Steel Golem - WD - 6
Marit - Savannah, Swords to Plowshares, Durkwood Baloth - DD - 8
(karakas > baloth, stp > isamaru.)
Pale Moon FTW - Mishra's Workshop, Ensnaring Bridge, Scalding Tongs - LL - 8
3eowulf - Black Lotus, Duress, Hand of Cruelty - WW - 14
Sacul Kamadaka - Dryad Arbor, Unmask, Sickening Shoal - LL - 14
Belgareth - Sheltered Valley, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Mishra's Factory - DD - 16
Technogeek5000 - Mishra's Factory (workshop?), Trinisphere, Steel Golem - WD - 20
TheChubbyMuffin - Lightning Bolt, Fireball, Mercadian Bazaar - DD - 22
(he has to play bolt and fireball on consecutive turns to kill isa, leaving no win conditions.)
xsockmonkeyx - Mishra's Workshop, Trinisphere, Epochrasite - WD - 26
Mordenkain - Mishra's Workshop, Trinisphere, Scalding Tongs - WL - 29
Illissius - Keldon Megaliths, Gruul Turf, Powder Keg - WW - 35
T is for Tool - Rushwood Grove, Vine Dryad, Tempting Wurm - WW - 41
DarkAkuma - Nether Spirit, Black Lotus, Pox - DD - 43
(just don't play out any cards period-- including leyline. if he ever poxes, you just play karakas->isamaru and block every other turn.)
Tacosnape - Maze of Ith, Blinkmoth Nexus, Vesuva - LL - 43

[Tacosnape]

1. Nihil - Draw/Draw*
2. Ridiculous Hat - Win/Win
3. Center425 - Win/Win
4. Marit - Draw/Draw
5. Pale Moon FTW - Lose/Lose.*
6. 3eoWulf - Win/Win
7. Sacul Kamadaka - Draw/Draw
8. Belgareth - Draw/Draw*
9. TechnoGeek5000 - Win/Win
10. The Chubby Muffin - Lose/Lose
11. xsockmonkeyx - Win/Win
12. Mordenkain - Lose/Lose*
13. Illissius - Lose/Lose*
14. T is for Tool - Win/Win
15. DarkAkuma - Draw/Draw

*1: Vesuva copies Factory, but I can't ever swing. You're a whore. Who the hell runs Humble Budoka?!
*5: That's pretty crafty. I think I'll take 2nd to you. Ensnaring Bridge really ought to be banned in this format.
*8: Vesuva on his Sheltered Valley = Funny shit, though.
*12: Vesuva coming into play tapped is my downfall. He wins at 2 life and 1 life respectively.
*13. Stupid Kegs.

So yeah, 46. 6-5-4 record. Not bad for about 20 seconds thought.

[Tacosnape]

Whoever edited the wiki, tell me how I draw against grove/dryad/wurm please? I did the math and I think he's one turn ahead of me.

You're correct. You lose here. This is not a draw. Whoever's keeping track, here's how this goes in the optimal situation with Hat on the play.

On the play, you lead with Steel Golem.
He drops his land.
You knock him to 17 and play Trinisphere.
He goes to 1 charge counter.
You knock him to 14.
He goes to 2 charge counters.
You knock him to 11.
He goes to 3 charge counters.
You knock him to 8.
He plays Tempting Wurm.
You both pass without swinging for several turns while he charges and gets out his Dryad.

Now at this point, he will try to swing with the Tempting Wurm. Here's what happens.

He swings and knocks you to 15.
You swing and he chumps with the Vine Dryad.
He swings and knocks you to 10.
You knock him to 5.
He swings and knocks you to 5.
You have to hold back to chump.
He swings, you chump.
You pass.
He kills you.

[Ridiculous Hat]

You're correct. You lose here. This is not a draw. Whoever's keeping track, here's how this goes in the optimal situation with Hat on the play.

On the play, you lead with Steel Golem.
He drops his land.
You knock him to 17 and play Trinisphere.
He goes to 1 charge counter.
You knock him to 14.
He goes to 2 charge counters.
You knock him to 11.
He goes to 3 charge counters.
You knock him to 8.
He plays Tempting Wurm.
You both pass without swinging for several turns while he charges and gets out his Dryad.

Now at this point, he will try to swing with the Tempting Wurm. Here's what happens.

He swings and knocks you to 15.
You swing and he chumps with the Vine Dryad.
He swings and knocks you to 10.
You knock him to 5.
He swings and knocks you to 5.
You have to hold back to chump.
He swings, you chump.
You pass.
He kills you.That's how I thought it played out.

Damn ridiculous phat... killed by my own traitorous name.

[THEchubbymuffin]

nihil, i hate you and your shroud. im tallying my points now...

[THEchubbymuffin]

1. Nihil - lose/lose (0)
2. Ridiculous Hat - Draw/Draw (2)
3. Center425 - Draw/Draw (4)
4. Marit - Draw/Draw (6)
5. Pale Moon FTW - Win/Win (12)
6. 3eoWulf - Draw/Draw (14)
7. Sacul Kamadaka - Draw/Draw (16)
8. Belgareth - Draw/Draw (18)
9. TechnoGeek5000 - Draw/Draw (20)
10. The Chubby Muffin - HIYA/ITSME
11. xsockmonkeyx - lose/lose (20)
12. Mordenkain - Lose/Lose (20)
13. Illissius - Win/Win (26)
14. T is for Tool - Win/Draw (30)
15. DarkAkuma - lose/lose (30)
16. Tacosnape - Win/Win (36)

i believe my score is 36, please feel free to double check, for i may have messed up.

[Pale Moon FTW]

Here are my results of pwnage.

Nihil: WW 6
RidHat: WW 6
C425: WW 6
Marit: WW 6
PMFTW: -
3eow: WL 4
SaculK: DL 1
Belgar: DD 2
Tg5k: WW 6
TChMuf: LL 0
Xsockm: WW 6
Morden: WL 3
Illissius: LL 0
Tis4T: WW 6
DarkAk: DD 2
Tacosn: WW 6
--------------
Total: 65

[marit]

Here's what I think I got.

Nihil: WW 6
RidiculousHat: LL 0
Center425: WW 6
Marit: --
PMFTW: LL 0
3eow: WW 6
SaculK: DD 2
Belgar: WW 6
Tg5k: LL 0
TChMuf:WW 6
Xsockm: LL 0
Morden: LL 0
Illissius: WW 6
Tis4T: WW 6
DarkAk: WW 6
Tacosn: DD 0

Total of 48 I think, tell me if I made any mistakes.

[Illissius]

My results (13. Megaliths - Turf - Keg):

01) 0-6
02) 6-0
03) 0-6
04) 3-3
05) 6-0
06) 0-6
07) 6-0
08) 2-2
09) 6-0
10) 0-6
11) 6-0
12) 6-0
13) N/A
14) 6-0
15) 0-6
16) 6-0

Total: 53

Metagame wasn't quite what I expected; oh well. Many of these races were, interestingly, very close -- against Baloth (where it came right down to playing first or second), Epochrasite, and Wurm/Dryad. I'll work on some of the other matchups in the wiki a bit later.

[T is for TOOL]

Some of you people need to double check the matchups results you posted. I was trying to update the Wiki, and there were many reports that contradicted each other. I tried fixing them, but there are probably still several lurking around. Tacking on a 'there may be errors in my report' addendum isn't a free ticket to make others do the work. It's more helpful to not post anything at all than post a report with several erroneous results.

[Eldariel]

Who's going to host the next one? I mean, who to send the deck to?

[Cait_Sith]

If no one objects I can keep track of the next one.

[Pinder]

Does that mean that we should start sending decks in?

[Cait_Sith]

Okay, I'll take that as a "Go ahead Cait."

Go ahead Pinder.

[Pale Moon FTW]

Shouldn't we wait to get the results from this 3CB before starting the next?

[Eldariel]

Agreed, I suggest we wait for everyone to log in their results, winner to get crowned, etc. After that, start accepting decks. As anxious as I am to get started (at first, I had some creative issues with this format, but I figured 'the heck, might as well')

[Cait_Sith]

I'll still accept them (I thought Nihil had finished tabulating. Oops.)

[technogeek5000]

I think that the banned list should either be on the wiki page or all the threads main post.

[Tacosnape]

The banned list should also include Ensnaring Bridge.

[Eldariel]

The banned list should also include Ensnaring Bridge.

Let's see if it becomes dominant first. Maybe it'll make non-creature win conditions more popular and change the style of many decks.

[technogeek5000]

Ensnaring bridge isnt that good. if it starts to rule the format then we can consider banning it. I think there are a bunch of different cards more worthy of banning.

I have two broken decks but i cant decide which to play.

[T is for TOOL]

I thought Arbor + Unmask was teh broken. Now it's Ensnaring Bridge. Which is it?

[Ridiculous Hat]

Emergency Ban: Force of Will
Wasteland
Ghost Quarter
Strip Mine
Glacial Chasm

Blackmail
Brain Pry
Coercion
Pulse of the Dross
Cabal Therapy
Abandon Hope
Show and Tell
Misguided Rage
The Rack

Form of the Dragon
Balance
Restore Balance
Barren Glory

Mesmeric Fiend
Nezumi Shortfang
Voidstone Gargoyle
Meddling Mage
Leonin Squire

The banned list.

[T is for TOOL]

Why was Force banned again?

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Why was Force banned again?Force-Misdirection-Dryad Arbor would have been just as devastating as Unmask-Sickening Shoal-Dryad Arbor, in not worse. Those wreck unprepared metas.

[Ridiculous Hat]

Force-Misdirection-Dryad Arbor would have been just as devastating as Unmask-Sickening Shoal-Dryad Arbor, in not worse. Those wreck unprepared metas.I mean, both Arbor decks can't beat--

A) two spells
B) lands that do something relevant besides tap for mana

Most FOW decks are the same. I don't know why it was banned.

[T is for TOOL]

The first metagame was not wrecked by that deck. It didn't even win. Furthermore, the whole point of this format is to play a deck that wrecks the metagame. No one prepared for Force + Misdirection + Arbor this time around, I wonder how it would have done.

EDIT:

The Sky Is Falling
Deck: Force + Misdirection + Dryad Arbor

1) Nihil - LL (0)
2) RidiculousHat - LL (0)
3) Center425 - WW (6)
4) Marit - DD (2)
5) Pale Moon FTW - DD (2)
6) 3eowulf - WW (6)
7) Sacul Kamadaka - DD (2)
8) Belgareth - LL (0)
9) Technogeek5000 - LL (0)
10) TheChubbyMuffin - DD (2)
11) xsockmonkeyx - DL (1)
12) Mordenkain - WW (6)
13) Illissius - LL (0)
14) T is for Tool - DD (2)
15) DarkAkuma - WW (6)
16) Tacosnape - LL (0)

TOTAL: 35

This also includes an extra 6 possible points the deck could earn from having 16 different opponents instead of only 15. Not impressive.

[Nihil Credo]

Half of us either played Arbor decks, or decks designed to have a good Arbor matchup. That's why FoW-Misd doesn't fare much better. Myself, I'd still go with Dryad Arbor's restriction.

Also, I've completed the wiki. It seems Pale Moon FTW is this round's winner!

@Cait: I appreciate that you're willing to host decklists,
1) can you do as I did and publish your sec code beforehand? You aren't a cheater, but temptation can get the best of everyone, and it's hard to go with your earlier metagame call when your inbox screams you'll get pummeled - that's why I took measures against it.
2) can you do as I didn't and make a new thread for 3CB #3?
3) can you do as I didn't and set up a clear deadline?


@Illissius: While we're at it, what poem was your deck name from? Irish, Welsh, or something more obscure?

[Cait_Sith]

I will NOT be participating in this at all. I will simply keep an eye on the lists.

It is most fair that way.

Now that we have a winner I will restore the original deadline, plus one day.

See Nihil, I already had this all planned out.

[Illissius]

@Illissius: While we're at it, what poem was your deck name from? Irish, Welsh, or something more obscure?

Hah. Neither. I wanted to name it after the land Tim the Enchanter is from, but looking at the script, they never mention the name. They do mention the land Arthur & co. trekked through on the way there, and the cave of Caerbannog where they headed afterwards, so I went with that.