3cb #4

[Cait_Sith]

I am accepting submissions now until Monday, October 1, at 11:59 PM EST.

Congrats to our previous winner: Everyone who played Magus-Lotus-Preacher:

Illissius and Lego_Army_Man.

The current B&R List:

--------------Current Banned List--------------

All Ante Cards
All Promo cards not available on Gatherer/Autocard
All Unglued and Unhinged Cards (excluding basic lands)

Creatures:
Mesmeric Fiend
Nezumi Shortfang
Voidstone Gargoyle
Meddling Mage
Leonin Squire
Magus of the Moon

Lands:
Wasteland
Ghost Quarter
Strip Mine
Glacial Chasm

Artifacts:
The Rack

Enchantments:
Form of the Dragon
Barren Glory

Instants:
Force of Will

Sorceries:
Abandon Hope
Balance
Blackmail
Brain Pry
Cabal Therapy
Coercion
Misguided Rage
Pulse of the Dross
Restore Balance
Show and Tell

[Eldariel]

Now that full Lorwyn-spoiler is out, will we be doing this with Lorwyn or going without?

[frolll]

Ban Magus of the Moon was a nice move, really. I now predict a nice meta chock full of Arbor-Unmask-Shoal. That'll be change, for sure. :wink:

Anyways, are the results being keep somewhere for a long term championship ? It should be sweet to have such, with prizes, maybe...

[Cait_Sith]

Now that full Lorwyn-spoiler is out, will we be doing this with Lorwyn or going without?

Without. Lorwyn is not yet "legal" in any format. I have a few pre-emptive bans to do when Lorwyn comes out anyway (like Thoughtseize).

[Nihil Credo]

Bummer. I was about to submit a Gaddock Teeg deck.

[Barook]

Adding Lorwyn without a confirmed, full spoiler from Wizards itself is just bad because we don't know if there are any misinformation in the current spoiler. But I think we can add Lorwyn to the next round.


I now predict a nice meta chock full of Arbor-Unmask-Shoal. That'll be change, for sure. :wink:

Exactly - that, or decks that try to hate out those decks. :rolleyes:

Can't we just ban Unmask (or even better, Arbor) for good? Abandon Hope is on the ban list and Arbor-Unmask-Shoal is basically as powerful as Lotus-Hope-Nether Spirit, but with the added ability to kill creatures when going second.

[Pale Moon FTW]

Arbor enables a lot of decks that you otherwise couldn't play, it's possibly the most important tool in 3cb except for Lotus and Workshop. Banning it would kill a lot of decks that aren't really overpowered.
I think Unmask should be banned instead. It's hard to justify it in a format where Abandon Hope and Blackmail are banned.

[Ridiculous Hat]

Arbor enables a lot of decks that you otherwise couldn't play, it's possibly the most important tool in 3cb except for Lotus and Workshop. Banning it would kill a lot of decks that aren't really overpowered.
I think Unmask should be banned instead. It's hard to justify it in a format where Abandon Hope and Blackmail are banned.Except Unmask requires an extra card to cast, so it's far harder to use than Hope or Blackmail. The ACC of 3B is nearly unattainable in this format.

I don't really understand why Hope is banned, honestly, unless people are really concerned about lotus/hope/nether spirit. If we're continuing to ban the 1cc take-anything discard spells, though, Blackmail and Therapy should absolutely be banned.

[Barook]

Except Unmask requires an extra card to cast, so it's far harder to use than Hope or Blackmail.


As an additional cost to play Abandon Hope, discard X cards.
Look at target opponent's hand and choose X cards from it. That player discards those cards.

Hope DOES require an extra card as well.

Edit:
Interesting side note: Mind Twist is not banned. So Arbor-Lotus-Twist would still work.

[Pale Moon FTW]

Interesting side note: Mind Twist is not banned. So Arbor-Lotus-Twist would still work.
Twist is banned since it violates the maximum one discard rule, which is why you can't play Hymn either though it's not on the banned list.

[Ridiculous Hat]

Hope DOES require an extra card as well.

Edit:
Interesting side note: Mind Twist is not banned. So Arbor-Lotus-Twist would still work.I mentioned that Hope makes no sense to me as a banned card, though I should've been more clear. Either way, Unmask is not nearly as good as Therapy or Blackmail.

What rule is this "maximum one discard" rule? I've never heard of it.

[Pale Moon FTW]

2. You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than one card from his hand per turn.

[Illissius]

Abandon Hope lets you take lands, unlike Last Rites or Unmask, which is, I think, the difference.

[Cait_Sith]

As my first post cannot be edited I will post the rules here:

--------------Rules and Submission Guidelines--------------

Your deck is composed of 3 cards which all start in your hand.
Your library contains 0 cards and you don’t have a sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing).
Random effects always go in your opponent's favor.
You can see your opponent's hand, so you make the best possible play.
You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card.
You play each opponent twice; once going first and once going second.
For each win, you score 3 points.
For each draw, you score 1 point.
For each loss, you score 0 points.

Three rules restrict the kind of deck you can send. They are:
1.You may not submit a deck that can win before the opponent's first main phase.
2.You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than one card from his hand per turn.
3. You may not submit a deck that uses a card on the 3CB banned list.

Other than the aforementioned, everything is handled exactly like a real game of Magic.

If you want to play, PM me a message with a heading similar to " 3CB Round #X", where X is the current round number. The format for the message should be:

Deck Name

Card #1
Card #2
Card #3

Any Random notes that you want me to know.

[frolll]

Abandon Hope lets you take lands, unlike Last Rites or Unmask, which is, I think, the difference.

Let me just ask... What about Encroach ? This card can take lands and a Duress/Thallid/Bayou deck axing the Duress for Encroach can be more a pain in the butt, isn't ? I mean, okay, they get different results ragarding the matchups than the Bayou version, but the fact that Encroach can reach lands is something to consider, nop ? :wink:

[Cait_Sith]

Just as a reminder registration ends at 11:59 PM EST today!

[Illissius]

I totally forgot about this. Thanks for the reminder.

[Barook]

So, when do we get the decklists? :smile:

[Nihil Credo]

Cait_Sith, your PM was full, so I sent you an email.

[Cait_Sith]

No problem Nihil.

Also, today was a typo. Registration ends TODAY at 11:59, not yesterday. Sorry for the mixed messages.

Eidt: It did end yesterday, sorry. Magically, turns out today IS Tuesday.

[Barook]

How exactly could be date and day a typo? :confused:

Can't we just get started already? :rolleyes:

[bigbear102]

That's a good point, everyone except for you was under the assumption that it was yesterday....

[Maveric78f]

I understand that the typo was the fact that his MP box was full. He wants to give another chance to players that wanted to subscribe yersterday and could not, like Nihil.

Edit : I'm also eager to see the lists.

[Cait_Sith]

That's a good point, everyone except for you was under the assumption that it was yesterday....

Holy crap, today is Tuesday! Yea... so it did end yesterday...

Ok, I'll accept the last of the submissions since my box was full anyway and post the lists.

[Cait_Sith]

25 Overall, a good number.

1. Froll- "Dilletante Greasy Pizza Muncher"

Dryad Arbor
Unmask
Sickening Shoal

2. georgjorge- Aggro á la Tacosnape

Mishra's Workshop
Wheel of Torture
Chimeric Idol

3. technogeek5000 - Cant think of anything to hate it out

Dryad arbor
Unmask
sickening shoal

4. Belgareth - The Sheltered Factory

Sheltered Valley
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Mishra's Factory

5. Ridiculous Hat - Monkey Business

City of Traitors
Simian Spirit Guide
Words of War

6. KillemalCFH - PleasePlayWorkshop.dec

Mercadian Bazaar
Lavaborn Muse
Shattering Spree

7. SpatulaOfTheAges - Unnamed

Vindicate
Mishra's Factory
Orzhov Basilica

8. marit - I Hate Trinishpere

Durkwood Baloth
Swords to Plowshares
Savannah

9. Lego_Army_Man - The Sheltered Factory

Mishra's Factory
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Sheltered Valley

10. wmagzoo7 - Unnamed
City of Traitors
Ichochron Scepter
Lightning Helix

11. Pinder - Unmask This!

Sheltered Valley
Mishra's Factory
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

12. honz - Unnamed

Bottomless Vault
Pithing Needle
Nether Spirit

13. Whit3_Ghost - WW3

Mishra's Workshop
Chimeric Idol
Wheel of Torture

14. WiLdFiRe - Imma chargin' mah lazer!

Mishra's Factory
Mishra's Factory
Mishra's Factory

15. Eladriel - TIMMY!!!

Mercadian Bazaar
Furnace Dragon
Ghitu Fire

16. Barook - Unnamed

Fungal Reaches
Mishra's Factory
Quagnoth

17. dragon_demon1 - Megakeg!

Keldon Megaliths
Gruul Turf
Powder Keg

18. Nihil - I Wanted to Play This Last Round

Mishra's Factory
ORzhov Basilica
Vindicate

19. satellites - The Sauce

Chimeric Idol
Black Lotus
The Tabernacle At Pendrell Vale

20. xsockmonkeyx - Lands!

Blinkmoth Nexus
Vesuva
Maze of Ith

21. Mordenkain - Bah-ro-ken.dec

Preacher
Black Lotus
Chalice of the Void

22. Illissus - izzet can be penguin tiem now plees?

Keldon Megaliths
Izzet Boilerworks
Energy Field

23. bigbear102 - Sursi's Legend

Leyline of Singularity
Karakas
Knight of Sursi

24. Pale Moon FTW - Pox

Smallpox
Black Lotus
Nether Spirit

25. Swing4Five - Darting Mongoose

Nimble Mongoose
Lava Dart
Taiga

26. Maveric78f - Greater Apocalypse

Card 1 : Greater Gargadon
Card 2 : Apocalypse
Card 3 : Mercadian Bazaar

[Ridiculous Hat]

I miscalculated gravely and my numbers are atrocious. I'm not gonna bother.

Cait, could we possibly get this updated more frequently-- maybe put a 20/25 person signup cap and then just post the decklists after we hit that number? A week between entries is quite a while...

[Barook]

Looks my meta game choice wasn't that bad unlike last time. Here are my calculations (I hope they're right):

Quagnarok: (I forgot the name, damn it!)

Fungal Reaches
Mishra's Factory
Quagnoth


1. WW - 6
2. LL - 0
3. WW - 6
4. WW - 6
5. WL - 3
6. WW - 6
7. LL - 0
8. LL - 0
9. WW - 6
10. LL - 0
11. WW - 6
12. DD - 2
13. LL - 0
14. DD - 2
15. WW - 6
16. N/A
17. WW - 6
18. LL - 0
19. DD - 2
20. WW - 6
21. WW - 6
22. LL - 0
23. WW - 6
24. DD - 2
25. WW - 6
26. LL - 0
Total points: 83

PS: Is #5 the Lorwyn edition? It's on Gatherer already and it could be fun...

[wmagzoo7]

1. WL- 3
2. WW- 6
3. WL- 3
4. WW- 6
5. WW- 6
6. LL- 0
7. LL- 0
8. WW-6
9. WW-6
10. Myself
11. WW-6
12. LL-0
13. WW-6
14. WW-6
15. WW-6
16. WW-6
17. LL-0
18. LL-0
19. WW-6
20. WW-6
21. WW-6 I think
22. LL-0
23. WW-6
24. LL-0
25. WW-6
Total: 96
I am still unsure if chalice at 0 counters the scepter copies so if chalice does then I have 90 points

[Eldariel]

Ok, maybe I misestimated the amount of slow Workshop-decks around a bit, I'll have to stick to cheaper wincons.

1. DD 2
2. LL
3. DD 4
4. WW 10
5. LL
6. WW 16
7. LL (I was gonna submit that specific deck, dammit)
8. DD 18
9. WW 24
10. LL
11. WW 30
12. WW 36
13. LL
14. LL
15. N/A
16. LL
17. WW 42
18. LL (apparently not the only one)
19. WL 45
20. WW 51
21. WW 57
22. LL
23. LL
24. DD (if he plays Pox, I'll get my Dragon out and burn him eventually, but he can just sit back and wait, I can't play my land) 59
25. WW 65


Bombed even better than last time! Awesome. Well, at least I drew with all the 'good' archetypes. Maybe I should stop playing bad metagame decks since I can never get the field right, but where's the fun in that?!

[Barook]

right?
Wrong

WoW works because it is assumed that you draw cards.

For the same reason, you can draw cards that are somehow put into your library.

Edit:

I am still unsure if chalice at 0 counters the scepter copies so if chalice does then I have 90 points
Chalice@2 counters your Helix, not 0, so it's fine.

[bigbear102]

1.DD1-1
2.LL0-0
3.DD1-1
4.DD1-1
5.LL0-0
6.WW3-3
7.WW3-3
8.DD1-1
9.DD1-1
10.LL0-0
11.DD1-1
12.WW3-3
13.LL0-0
14.WW3-3
15.WW3-3
16.LL0-0
17.WW3-3
18.WW3-3
19.DD1-1
20.DD1-1
21.WW3-3
22.LL0-0
23.ME
24.DD1-1
25.WW3-3

72 points, I think

[Swing4Five]

Came across the thread last minute having never heard of it. People were talking about the Arbor-Unmask-Shoal pile so I threw together something that would at least take 3 from each of those. Charge lands totally did not come to mind.

Darting Mongoose

Nimble Mongoose
Lava Dart
Taiga

1. WD - 3
2. LL
3. WD - 3
4. DD - 2
5. WW - 6
6. LL
7. WW - 6
8. LL
9. DD - 2
10. LL
11. DD - 2
12. LL
13. LL
14. LL
15. LL
16. LL
17. LL
18. LL
19. LL
20. DD - 2
21. WW - 6
22. LL
23. LL
24. LL
25. NA

Total: 32
Wow that's bad, now that I've actually seen some decent piles I'll do better next time. :wink:

Favorite: Factory x3

[Pinder]

Lego should just calculate his results already so I can see how I did. Sheesh.
Barring that, I should have results up later.

[georgjorge]

I think this time around I played the best deck. Props to Tacosnape for the simple but effective idea !

Mishra's Workshop
Wheel of Torture
Chimeric Idol


1. 33
3. 33
4. 33
5. 33
6. 11 (I only play the Idol, and he has to play Muse and block. On the play, I get him down to one before he has the mana to Spree my Wheel...)
7. 11
8. 33
9. 33
10. 00
11. 33
12. 33 (Needle is ok in this MU, but seems to be stretching things a bit...)
13. 03
14. 33 (triple Factory is scary, but Wheel is a bit faster...)
15. 33
16. 33
17. 33
18. 11
19. 33
20. 33
21. 33
22. 00
23. 33
24. 33
25. 33
26. 33


...for a whopping 123 points. This might be a new Deck To Beat...

[Eldariel]

And it's rather easy to do. Both of the decks we played last time beat that thing. Many others of the same formula can do the same. If anything, this tournament goes to show that Unmask+Sickening Shoal+Dryad Arbor sucks. It doesn't seem to win any matches.

[Belgareth]

lol @ pinder
I'm impressed both pinder and lego stole my deck from last week ;)
at least Lego had decency to pirate the name too :p

[Pale Moon FTW]

This sucks donkey ass. I'm not even going to bother to find out my score but it's somewhere about 40.

[satellites]

OK, here's my totals.

I think.

1.DD
2.LL
3.DD
4.DD
5.WW
6.LL
7.LL
8.LL
9.DD
10.LL
11.DD
12.LL
13.LL
14.LL
15.WW
16.DD
17.LL
18.LL
19.ME
20.LL
21.WD
22.LL
23.DL
24.WW
25.WW
26. DD

43 points. Ouch. I guess I expected a heavier creature based "meta"...and less jank like manlands and/or no creature decks that Tabernacle can't touch.

Oh well...better luck next time.


Feel free to correct me if any of my games were wrong.

**edit

Draw x2 for #16.

Also Draw x2 for #26.

[Pinder]

lol @ pinder
I'm impressed both pinder and lego stole my deck from last week ;)
at least Lego had decency to pirate the name too :p

You played this last week? I really had no idea. Seemed to do alright:

1. DD - 2
2. LL - 0
3. DD - 1
4. DD - 2
5. WW - 6 (He's only dealing me a net 1 damage per turn, and I'm dealing him 2)
6. WW - 6 (Tabernacle > Muse, Spree can't kill Factory)
7. LL - 0 (Vindicate > Factory, Factory > Tabernacle)
8. LL - 0 (Swords > Factory, Savannah pays for Tabernacle)
9. DD - 2
10. LL - 0 (He gains more life than I do, and deals more damage, too)
11. N/A - Me
12. LL - 0 (Needle > Factory, and he can store up enough mana to pay for Tabernacle to kill me with Spirit. Of course, I am gaining life, but I think he has the inevitability on this one)
13. LL - 0 (Two WinCons that dodge Tabernacle? Eep!)
14. LL - 0 (Three WinCons that dodge Tabernacle? You've gotta be shitting me)
15. WW - 6 (I think I outrace him, and I'm far too lazy to do the math)
16. LL - 0 (Somehow I forgot he had factory).
17. DD - 2 (Keg blows up Factory, but Valley makes it impossible for him to kill me with Megaliths)
18. LL - 0 (see #7)
19. DD - 2 (If he swings into me, we trade, if I swing into him, I lose)
20. LL - 0 (Maze > Factory, Vesuva is Factory, and Nexus flies higher than Factory)
21. DD - 2 (Preacher steals factory, but he's got no way to activate it. Or do I get it back once it stops being a creature? Either way, he can steal it every turn if he has to)
22. DD - 2 (I can't get damage through because of energy field, he can't get damage through because of lifegain)
23. WW - 6 (Factory dodges Leyline, and he can only block (or swing) once every 4 turns, and by then I've gained more life than he can swing for)
24. DD - 2 (It's in both of our best interests not to do anything)
25. DD - 2 (If he swings into me, he loses, and if I swing into him, we trade).

For 50 points, if I count correctly. This was not the right metagane choice, methinks.


This might be a new Deck To Beat...

Well, it has the unique quality of having two win conditions, as opposed to one. Most decks only have a way to deal with one, and some (like mine, for example) can't deal with either. I suspect the meta will adapt, though.

[Eldariel]

Pinder:

I'll just cast instant Ghitu Fire when I reach 5 mana. You LL, your Factory is a 10-turn clock which is way too slow. Oh, and then I just build up enough counters to pay the upkeep long enough to win. It'll take aeons, but eventually you'll lose. And since I can add counters at EoT, you don't have the option of waiting with your Factory since I'll just add a counter at EoT if I don't need to fry the Factory.

[Illissius]

22. izzet can be penguin tiem now plees?
Keldon Megaliths
Izzet Boilerworks
Energy Field

01. 6-0
02. 6-0
03. 6-0
04. 2-2
05. 6-0
06. 6-0
07. 0-6
08. 6-0
09. 2-2
10. 6-0
11. 2-2
12. 2-2
13. 6-0
14. 6-0
15. 6-0
16. 6-0
17. 6-0
18. 0-6
19. 6-0
20. 6-0
21. 6-0
22. N/A
23. 6-0
24. 0-6
25. 6-0
26. 0-6

Total: 110

I see someone else liked my deck :D. This is the version I should have played last time. Keg is better against Magus, but no one played Magus last time either :S. (Funny thing, that.)

And it seems I have been bested by Chimeric Idol/Wheel of Torture, against the field if not directly. Good job.

[georgjorge]

Well, it has the unique quality of having two win conditions, as opposed to one. Most decks only have a way to deal with one, and some (like mine, for example) can't deal with either. I suspect the meta will adapt, though.

Yea, and the good thing is that those two win conditions are a) diverse and b) usually faster at killing the opponent then vice versa. Of course, the meta will adapt...Mountain/Goblin Vandal/Bolt, anyone ; ) ?

[satellites]

Next time, I'm running Saparazzan Cove/Confiscate/something else. The meta can't handle it!

[Whit3 Ghost]

I'm playing the same deck as George, so I get 117 points.

[Eldariel]

Yea, and the good thing is that those two win conditions are a) diverse and b) usually faster at killing the opponent then vice versa. Of course, the meta will adapt...Mountain/Goblin Vandal/Bolt, anyone ; ) ?

Just Tempting Wurm. It's enough.

[honz]

Well, i rocked the savage pithing needle tech to 94 points. If i had known that there would have been 0 trinispheres, and only 3 storage lands then i probly would have made some changes.

Wheel of torture > pithing needle

I guess i will settle for 3rd, but i will be taking the next one...

[Nihil Credo]

Mishra's Factory
Orzhov Basilica
Vindicate

(same deck as Spatula of the Ages)

1) 1-1 (you save removal for my Factory and I kill your Arbor)
2) 1-1 (I kill your Wheel and block the Idol)
3) 1-1 (see 1)
4) 3-3 (kill your Factory, then race Valley)
5) 3-3 (kill WoW, win)
6) 3-3 (kill Bazaar, win)
7) 3-0 (first one to kill the other's land wins)
8) 1-1 (kill Baloth, then you StP my Factory)
9) 3-3 (see 4)
10) 3-3 (kill Scepter, win)
11) 3-3 (see 4 and 9)
12) 3-1 (on the play, I kill your land before you can play anything; on the draw, you have the time to Needle Factory)
13) 1-1 (see 2)
14) 1-1 (I kill one of your Factories, then nobody can attack)
15) 3-3 (kill Bazaar, win)
16) 3-3 (kill Reaches, win)
17) 3-3 (kill Keg, win)
18) N/A
19) 3-3 (kill Idol, win)
20) 1-1 (you can't race or block, so you have to just make 2x Maze)
21) 3-3 (kill Preacher, win)
22) 3-3 (kill Energy Field, win)
23) 1-0 (kill your Karakas either way, but on the play I can win the race so you must stay and block)
24) 1-1 (I lose if I do anything, so I just discard Vindicate to your Pox and keep Factory as a blocker)
25) 3-3 (kill Taiga to protect my Factory, then race Mongoose)
26) 3-0 (on the play, I kill Bazaar before you can suspend Gargadon; on the draw, you get to suspend it)

...for a respectable total of 105.

Meh, I thought that deck would have been a real killer. Next time I'll try to actually remember about the event and make up another one of my wacky decks.

[Pinder]

Pinder:

I'll just cast instant Ghitu Fire when I reach 5 mana. You LL, your Factory is a 10-turn clock which is way too slow. Oh, and then I just build up enough counters to pay the upkeep long enough to win. It'll take aeons, but eventually you'll lose. And since I can add counters at EoT, you don't have the option of waiting with your Factory since I'll just add a counter at EoT if I don't need to fry the Factory.

You're right, I somehow forgot that Ghitu Fire could target my Factory as well. Not that it really matters, as I was nowhere near winning this thing anyway.

[Eldariel]

By the way...Ensnaring Bridge was touted as the next big thing. I have seen a total of one these two combined. What happened?

[WiLdFiRe]

1. Froll- "Dilletante Greasy Pizza Muncher" WW

WW

2. georgjorge- Aggro á la Tacosnape

LL

3. technogeek5000 - Cant think of anything to hate it out

WW

4. Belgareth - The Sheltered Factory

DD (I just sit back with my factories and while you gain infinite life, you still can't win)

5. Ridiculous Hat - Monkey Business

WW (You're dealing yourself 1 damage a turn, right?)

6. KillemalCFH - PleasePlayWorkshop.dec

LL

7. SpatulaOfTheAges - Unnamed

DD

8. marit - I Hate Trinishpere

LL (I get you down to 4)

9. Lego_Army_Man - The Sheltered Factory

DD

10. wmagzoo7 - Unnamed

LL

11. Pinder - Unmask This!

WW

12. honz - Unnamed

LL

13. Whit3_Ghost - WW3

LL

15. Eladriel - TIMMY!!!

WW

16. Barook - Unnamed

DD

17. dragon_demon1 - Megakeg!

WW

18. Nihil - I Wanted to Play This Last Round

DD

19. satellites - The Sauce

WW

20. xsockmonkeyx - Lands!

LL

21. Mordenkain - Bah-ro-ken.dec

DD

22. Illissus - izzet can be penguin tiem now plees?

LL

23. bigbear102 - Sursi's Legend

LL

24. Pale Moon FTW - Pox

DD

25. Swing4Five - Darting Mongoose

WW


62 points.

[Maveric78f]

Caith, did you forget me ? Why am I not in the list ? I sent you my subsriction MP on monday.

I am frustrated.

[Cait_Sith]

This is weird, I still have a copy of your deck in my mailbox...

Sorry about this, this was an exceptionally busy weekend that got topped off with me getting sick.

[Barook]

I corrected #16 after seeing Pinder's analysis...With Tabernacle, he needs 7 mana to be able to cast Quagnoth and keep it alive.

I have no idea what you're talking about. :confused: I need 6 mana to cast it + :1: with my untapped, manaproviding lands during my upkeep.

You can't attack me once I get Factory online (i.e. on Turn 2) or otherwise, it'll result in a draw because neither of us can play another thread. I can't kill you because I always have to pay :1: once I play Quagnoth and due to this, leaving my defenses open if I swing with my Quagnoth because I can't activate Factory anymore.

So no, you never had a chance to win to begin with.

Same @ Pinder: You can't attack me once I get my Factory online unless you wan't to lose your own one for nothing. If my math is right, I'll still kill you on my 16th turn (when you're on the play, leaving me alive with 2 life). So you'll still LL.

[Cait_Sith]

I double checked and it looks like a draw-draw. Barooks deck is too slow to drop Quagnoth fast enough to race Idol, but one Quagy is down he can keep it in play indefinitely, so satellites cannot attack. This happens both times, so both are draws.

Edit: Also, if everyone could alter their scores to reflect Maveric... I feel really badly for accidentally skipping him.

[Maveric78f]

My deck :
Greater Gargadon
Apocalypse
Mercadian Bazaar

It's very difficult to play against my deck. Sometimes strategy is really not obvious.


1. Dryad Arbor
Unmask
Sickening Shoal

He can unmask each time my gargadon. Then I manage to apocalypse the board before running out of life. Any other play would cost him game.

DD

2.
Mishra's Workshop
Wheel of Torture
Chimeric Idol

I need 7 turns in order to play apocalypse, 9 if I want to suspend before (which is a bad tech, I'll be dead before). The best play for him is to play idol first, then wheel on turn 2. If I begin, he can attack me 5 times and make the wheel trigger 5 times too, which involves 20 life lost. On the draw, he's obviously also too fast for me.

LL

3. same as 1.

DD

4. Sheltered Valley
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Mishra's Factory

He's too slow to kill me, if he keeps tabernacle in hand. I can't win.

DD

5. City of Traitors
Simian Spirit Guide
Words of War

My first win ^^. As well at first or second, he's not fast enough and he has no answer to my threats.

WW

6. Mercadian Bazaar
Lavaborn Muse
Shattering Spree

My deck has a very good tempo against this deck. I can suspend and apocalypse at my 9th turn. He can play muse at his 6th turn. I race him if I play first and I have top play apocalypse without suspending if I play second.

WD

7. Vindicate
Mishra's Factory
Orzhov Basilica

On the play I have time to suspend before getting my land vindicated. Which involves that he has time to attack me 7 times (I sac land in response to vindicate) before I get my gargadon, which is not enough. I will finally win him. On the draw, however he vindicates my land too fast and has time to beat me down.

WL

8. Durkwood Baloth
Swords to Plowshares
Savannah

Keeping everything in hand is tech to prevent me from winning.

DD

9. Mishra's Factory
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Sheltered Valley

See 4.

DD

10. City of Traitors
Ichochron Scepter
Lightning Helix

He needs 8 turns to beat me down, which involves a non suspending strategy for me. I would manage each time to apocalypse his board. Any other strategy from him would make him lose.

DD

11. Sheltered Valley
Mishra's Factory
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

See 4.

DD

12. Bottomless Vault
Pithing Needle
Nether Spirit

That's here where Apocalypse is good. I make my apocalypse the turn before the comping into play of GG. My opponent doesn't have time to play spirit.

WW

13. Mishra's Workshop
Chimeric Idol
Wheel of Torture

LL

14. Mishra's Factory
Mishra's Factory
Mishra's Factory

It needs 8 turns to beat me down. He can't win that way, I'll have time to apocalypse. But I can't suspend, so I can't win neither. If it does not take the beating down strategy, it will eventually die to my GG.

DD

15. Mercadian Bazaar
Furnace Dragon
Ghitu Fire

No way I lose against that deck. My threats are faster.

WW

16. Fungal Reaches
Mishra's Factory
Quagnoth

No way I lose against that deck. My threats are faster.

WW

17. Keldon Megaliths
Gruul Turf
Powder Keg

Quite inadapted strategy against me.

WW

18. Mishra's Factory
ORzhov Basilica
Vindicate

See 7.

WL

19. Chimeric Idol
Black Lotus
The Tabernacle At Pendrell Vale

It needs 8 turns to kill me. I have time to apocalypse but not more.

DD

20. Blinkmoth Nexus
Vesuva
Maze of Ith

Maze owns my kill and Apocalypse owns its kill. One more double draw.

DD

21. Preacher
Black Lotus
Chalice of the Void

It just has to wait that gargadon comes into play (-9) before playing Preacher. Then I have another turn to attack (-9), and preacher controls my GG. I have to apocalypse the board then.

DD

22. Keldon Megaliths
Izzet Boilerworks
Energy Field

Nice deck but it does nothing against me. Apocalypse rules !

Actually after a bit of thinking the tech is not obvious. I play my land, I raise in mana enough. The opponent should not move or the apocalypse will ruins his chances. Then I suspend GG. When GG has 2 coutners, my opponent has 2 options :
- play Megaliths. Then I'll be able to apocalypse at my turn with GG suspended with 1 counter.
- not moving. Then I'll sac bazaar to GG and attack directly with it at my turn. I'll have time to do 27 dmg before the energy field to come.

WW

23. Leyline of Singularity
Karakas
Knight of Sursi

Too slow to kill me before apocalypse. Knight is not a legend anymore after apocalypse. GG

WW

24. Smallpox
Black Lotus
Nether Spirit

My strategy is to play nothing before he playd smallpox. Then I may discard either GG or Apocalypse, it will be a draw.

DD

25. Nimble Mongoose
Lava Dart
Taiga

Quite irrelevant tech against me.

WW


I finish with 82 points. Not that bad, but not that good neither. I pay my "draw strategy".

W : ………………. = 19
D: ……………………. = 25
L: …… = 6

Ps : Thank you for reintegrating me Caith. Don't feel badly, my frustration is over ^^.

[satellites]

I have no idea what you're talking about. :confused: I need 6 mana to cast it + :1: with my untapped, manaproviding lands during my upkeep.

You can't attack me once I get Factory online (i.e. on Turn 2) or otherwise, it'll result in a draw because neither of us can play another thread. I can't kill you because I always have to pay :1: once I play Quagnoth and due to this, leaving my defenses open if I swing with my Quagnoth because I can't activate Factory anymore.

So no, you never had a chance to win to begin with.



This is why you shouldn't try to calculate scores while looking over your shoulder for your Boss.

I'll update my scores. :cry:

[APriestOfGix]

opps, i'll post correct later...

[Pinder]

This is why you shouldn't try to calculate scores while looking over your shoulder for your Boss.


Me too. For some reason I completely forgot that he had a Factory, too.

[Lego]

Lego should just calculate his results already so I can see how I did. Sheesh.

Yeah, I was kind of waiting for you to get on that...


Me too. For some reason I completely forgot that he had a Factory, too.

Way to screw up our numbers, Pinder. And whoever told me this was a good deck to play, you SUCK! Yayyyyy 4 wins! We didn't make the WORST choice, did we?

I'm going to start playing whatever won the previous one. I just couldn't do that this time because of friggin' bannings :-P

[KillemallCFH]

Bad metagame choices FTL. If I'm bored later, I'll update this post with my scores, not that it really matters.

[Cait_Sith]

I'll get the next one started later today. This one will run until the 9th, as my school is taking down the network from the 11th to the 13th and I want to have lists up by then.

[frolll]

Yeah... bad metagame choices indeed... that's funny to see how a tournament "warped" by Unmask isn't at all actually warped by it. Adaptation >>> me. :eek:

[Illissius]

Did the full results for this ever get calculated, or are we just going by whoever actually bothers to post their results (a fraction of the total)? I see the wiki doesn't have anything past #2.

[Cait_Sith]

Crap, crap, crap. Totally forgot the Wiki existed. Could I have a link please?

[Illissius]

Here (http://thesource3cb.pbwiki.com/) it is.