[TOURNAMENT] 4 Tarmogoyf 12/1/07 Hadley, Ma [Archive]

OffTheWall

10-25-2007, 04:41 PM

In trying to keep up with a large monthly Legacy events, Off the Wall Games will be running a tournament for 4x Tarmogoyf for the month of December.

Date: Saturday December 1st 2007
Start Time: 1:00PM Registration begins at 11:30 PM (try to be on time, we will be starting promptly at 1:00)
Type: Legacy (1.5)
Cost: $10.00
Minimum of 12 People
Where: 41 Russell ST
Hadley, MA 01035

1st place: 4 Tarmogoyf or $110.00 store credit
2nd place: 4 Plateaus or $90.00 store credit
3rd Place: 4 Meddling Mages or $60.00 store credit
4th Place: 4 Flooded Strands or $50.00 store credit
5th-8th Places each get 6 boosters.
This will be a SANCTIONED event.
Hope to see you there!

All listed prizes are guaranteed. If we get over 35 people I will add additional Door Prizes.

If you have any questions post them here or call Kevin at 413-586-5451.

Wallace

10-25-2007, 04:50 PM

Looks like another great tournament in the North East! I think we will try and get a car load from the cuse again! If you are intrested just PM me, we went to the 4 x Underground event and had some fun, yeah type 4! Maybe we can have a better showing this time, now that we know that half the meta is some sort of black deck! :tongue:

TrialByFire

10-25-2007, 05:01 PM

There we about 2 black decks at the dual tourney last week. Don't account for anything about the meta because it is different every time. This time there was a lot of Threshold

ForceofWill

10-25-2007, 05:08 PM

Yah Don't try to metagame at our tournies or else you will fail horribly. Great prices as always I can't wait to take home those meddling mages.

KillemallCFH

10-25-2007, 05:28 PM

We'll be there.

Jaynel

10-25-2007, 06:42 PM

This might be my last tournament before the winter and wrestling season takes over my weekends. I'm definitely down.

Peter_Rotten

10-25-2007, 07:38 PM

This has been marked on my calendar.

TrialByFire

10-25-2007, 07:47 PM

Wait Ben, did you seriously get third AGAIN at the last one. Holy shit i didnt even realize it :laugh:

:Bowstomasterofthirdplace:

insertnamehere

10-26-2007, 07:37 AM

Hmmm Guess I will have to throw together something and place this time.

from Cairo

10-26-2007, 07:23 PM

Will be there.

KillemallCFH

10-28-2007, 08:29 PM

I just found out that I have SATs on the same day as this tournament, so I'm not going to be there. Oh well. My brother and co. will most likely still be going.

mikekelley

10-29-2007, 01:59 AM

Holy shit.

Never thought I'd see the day where Goyf was #1 prize over a set of duals.

Maybe I'll go to this one, depending on what I have going on over the weekend. I'll be home in Boston for the holidays so we'll see.

TrialByFire

11-01-2007, 08:49 PM

I think I'm actually going to be able to make this one as the thing I was going to got cancelled

Lego

11-02-2007, 02:46 PM

I guess I'll be there. Anyone want a ride from Boston?

Madpeep

11-07-2007, 04:37 PM

I would love to attend, but there's a Myriad Games Vintage Tourney on the same day :frown:

ForceofWill

11-07-2007, 05:03 PM

I think I'm going to try to win this for once instead of getting third. Considering the mana leak broke my streak (scrub out then win the side).

insertnamehere

11-07-2007, 11:12 PM

This tourney could easily eclipse the mana leak open.

Lego

11-08-2007, 02:30 AM

This tourney could easily eclipse the mana leak open.

How sad is that?

ForceofWill

11-08-2007, 02:48 AM

The main reason is entry fee. A lot of broke magic players out there. Paying $10 for the prizes given out is one of the main reasons Kevin has so much success. It allows local players who aren't as good to play and not feel bad if they get monkey stomped.

Peter_Rotten

11-08-2007, 08:56 AM

I agree. I also allows us older, rustier players to bring back the Favs like Burning Tog and then not feel too bad when we get monkeystomped.

Bane of the Living

11-08-2007, 10:32 AM

Can I just say, the side event you had for a Thoughtsieze last time was awesome. And Im not just saying that because I won it..

You should have a side event every time you do a large one.

Could you do standard this time?

OffTheWall

11-08-2007, 10:40 AM

Thats a good idea. How about a standard side event for 1 tarmogoyf? That sounds pretty good to me. I would need to have enough people for the main event for it to be free, otherwise it would have to have an entrance fee.

Lego

11-08-2007, 12:55 PM

A Standard side event at a Legacy event sounds terrible. But that's just one person's opinion :smile:

Bane of the Living

11-08-2007, 01:08 PM

Jaynel

11-08-2007, 02:42 PM

Draft seems to be more even footing though - both accessibility and knowledge of the format. So all Legacy players, not just the ones with good Standard decks, can compete and have fun.

Ebinsugewa

11-08-2007, 02:53 PM

Actually Evn, alot of players that go also play standard, some as their main format. So when they scrub out to experienced legacy players they will have something worth doing. Besides it would enourage more Type 2 players to get into legacy.

This is a terrible idea. I shouldn't even need to explain why. This isn't a Pro Tour or Grand Prix. There are only a few players that I know of at all that play both Legacy and Standard. If you wanted Standard players to play Legacy, go hang out at an FNM while playing on the side, like Nightmare suggested.

Draft seems to be more even footing though - both accessibility and knowledge of the format. So all Legacy players, not just the ones with good Standard decks, can compete and have fun.

Exactly. However, I'm still sure that Legacy is the best format for side events if they even occur.

Nightmare

11-08-2007, 03:08 PM

If you wanted Standard players to play Legacy, go hang out at an FNM while playing on the side, like Nightmare suggested.I got really confused for a minute, then I realized you meant in my article last week. Now I am less confused.

insertnamehere

11-08-2007, 03:52 PM

A Standard side event at a Legacy event sounds terrible. But that's just one person's opinion :smile:

Yup, one person's opinion that doesn't matter. I like the standard side event

ForceofWill

11-08-2007, 05:18 PM

How about he takes a poll at and whatever they want they can write it on there deck reg sheet all in the same place. Just have everyone who is interested try to bring a standard deck in case thats what gets voted for..

Slay

11-08-2007, 05:22 PM

insertnamehere

11-08-2007, 06:05 PM

from Cairo

11-08-2007, 06:05 PM

Can I just say, the side event you had for a Thoughtsieze last time was awesome.

I enjoyed the side draft as well, even though I was savagely beaten by monogreen elves in the finals :tongue: ...

I don't play standard, but if there are enough people there to warrant it as the side event of choice I wouldnt take issue with it.

Only thing is that last time we ended up with a side draft of 7 people, with like 35ish people coming, 10ish leaving early, top 8 still going on that leaves max 15-17 people looking for something to do. If we could only get 7, one of which being Kevin, in a format that costs $10 to get into I would be suprised if there are more than that available with worthwhile standard decks, again I dont have an issue with the idea other than I just don't think it would get enough people to make it worth it compared to a Draft or Legacy side event.

insertnamehere

11-08-2007, 06:46 PM

I enjoyed the side draft as well, even though I was savagely beaten by monogreen elves in the finals :tongue: ...

I don't play standard, but if there are enough people there to warrant it as the side event of choice I wouldnt take issue with it.

Only thing is that last time we ended up with a side draft of 7 people, with like 35ish people coming, 10ish leaving early, top 8 still going on that leaves max 15-17 people looking for something to do. If we could only get 7, one of which being Kevin, in a format that costs $10 to get into I would be suprised if there are more than that available with worthwhile standard decks, again I dont have an issue with the idea other than I just don't think it would get enough people to make it worth it compared to a Draft or Legacy side event.

let's have 2 side events, one after roud 3 and one after top 8 starts. I may be able to pitch some stuff in.

ForceofWill

11-08-2007, 06:49 PM

That would probably work although they wouldn't both be free.

TrialByFire

11-08-2007, 07:50 PM

Draft is the best format ever. Shows how skilled (and sometimes lucky) players are. Plus its fun as FUCK.

ForceofWill

11-08-2007, 07:51 PM

Then why don't you ever midnight BK draft anymore?

TrialByFire

11-08-2007, 07:53 PM

Cuz I hate you. Kidding. On the 1st if I top 8 and get packs or come across some before then I will save them and we can BK Draft if we get some other people

ForceofWill

11-08-2007, 07:56 PM

I have like 10 draft sets right now.

Slay

11-08-2007, 10:33 PM

Yup, one person's opinion that doesn't matter. I like the standard side event. It could bring in more players.

Players aren't going to be brought into a small Legacy tournament by the promise of a Standard event for a single Tarmogoyf. If you honestly think that, you're wrong.

And cut the 'your opinion doesn't matter' shit out. You have no more authority on the matter than me or Lego, stop acting like it.
-Slay

ForceofWill

11-08-2007, 10:53 PM

Well I wouldn't exactly call this tournament small (the legacy part) I mean the sea drake tourney had more people than day 2 of The mana leak...

Jaynel

11-08-2007, 10:58 PM

It was only 38 people on day 2. That statement is a bit misleading.

ForceofWill

11-08-2007, 11:19 PM

I heard it was 48. I said it was 38 at first then someone else said it was 48. Point is we had over 50 at one of these.

11-08-2007, 11:49 PM

Yup, one person's opinion that doesn't matter. I like the standard side event

You're absolutely right: one person's opinion that doesn't matter. That person happens to be you.

Continue throwing shit at people and soon you might just find yourself being the one looking to take cover. I get more than my fair share of complaints on you and it's growing old.

MeddlingMage

11-09-2007, 10:05 AM

I know I am new to the source, but in my opinion instead of all the jibber jabber why don't we let Kevin decide. Afterall, he is the T.O. and has great tourneys from what I have heard. I am hoping to make this tourney as long as work permits.

Mulletus

11-09-2007, 10:08 AM

Prizes look good anyone from the cuse wanna go win this?

TrialByFire

11-09-2007, 11:29 AM

I have like 10 draft sets right now.

In. Consider it happening

technogeek5000

11-09-2007, 10:10 PM

Wow, whats with all the bitching about peoples opinions. STFU and let the person whos holding the tournament decide what he wants to do. Ill do a standard side event and ill do a legacy side event and it wouldnt phase me if there was no side event.

This does seem pretty cool tho. Id realy like to have shot to win goyfs so i can put together thresh.

Bane of the Living

11-10-2007, 11:16 AM

The problem with a Standard side event is:

a) Not that many people play standard that also play Legacy. I'll say about half of them play.
b) A lot of the people that play both will be still in contention when the side event starts.
c) Not enough people will show to make the amount of people that will play Standard in the side event worthwhile.
d) This will piss off the people that scrub out and don't have a Standard deck.
e) A lot of the cards used in Standard are also used in Legacy, meaning double suck.

Don't try and get too fancy. We come to play Legacy, give us a Legacy side event. It's a better format than Standard anyways.
-Slay

EDIT: Or draft, or something like that. But point d) is the most important, because you want the most people to be playing games and having fun. Having an exclusive side event is coutnerintuitive to that.

A) This isnt true, every standard player there plays both formats and will likely lose and drop from the main event if legacy isnt their format of choice. Them getting to play "their" format will likely keep them coming for the legacy events and getting better.

Kevin normally has his standard tournaments at 1pm on sundays and legacy following that at 5pm. It builds the attendance for both. Our metagame has been slowly growing thanks to this idea. Some of the standard players are sticking around to play more cards.

What nightmare suggested about going to fnm and playtesting legacy is a good idea, but my gaming time is only enough to make it to the day of the event I want to be at. I cant go all the way out to hadley to playtest on a friday night. Doing things this way brings the standard players to us.

B) Actually the people that only play Legacy should be the ones still in contention. They invest more time in it and thus should do better, am I wrong?

C) This is definitely not true. If I was a standard player that teetered in legacy a little bit Id be more inclined to go to this 10 dollar tournament knowing that if I fail I have a free chance to win a Tarmogoyf. A card valuable to Legacy or Standard players.

D) If there are enough people that want to run a legacy side event theres this thing called DCI Reporter. Kevin can use it to start a tournament at any time. Sometimes when I scrub out at a Legacy tournament Im pissed off at the format. Legacy is based entirely on your matchups and luck. I might not want to play against Goblins and Thresh again when I already lost to them in the last event.

E) I dont see what your point is here.. If anything thats a good thing. It means if you spend 10-20 more dollars you can build a competitive standard deck.

Concerning a draft. I dont have the money to spend on another tournament the same day. A free constructed event is the shit. Again if eight people want to draft Kevin will run one.

If this is a normal thing and planned out, the problem of not having a standard deck (if thats your problem) wont ensue. If standards just not your bag find 7 other people that want to play legacy and do so.

Crossing the formats is the very best way to build our community.

Slay

11-10-2007, 12:44 PM

A) This isnt true, every standard player there plays both formats and will likely lose and drop from the main event if legacy isnt their format of choice. Them getting to play "their" format will likely keep them coming for the legacy events and getting better.

Kevin normally has his standard tournaments at 1pm on sundays and legacy following that at 5pm. It builds the attendance for both. Our metagame has been slowly growing thanks to this idea. Some of the standard players are sticking around to play more cards.

What nightmare suggested about going to fnm and playtesting legacy is a good idea, but my gaming time is only enough to make it to the day of the event I want to be at. I cant go all the way out to hadley to playtest on a friday night. Doing things this way brings the standard players to us.

B) Actually the people that only play Legacy should be the ones still in contention. They invest more time in it and thus should do better, am I wrong?

C) This is definitely not true. If I was a standard player that teetered in legacy a little bit Id be more inclined to go to this 10 dollar tournament knowing that if I fail I have a free chance to win a Tarmogoyf. A card valuable to Legacy or Standard players.

D) If there are enough people that want to run a legacy side event theres this thing called DCI Reporter. Kevin can use it to start a tournament at any time. Sometimes when I scrub out at a Legacy tournament Im pissed off at the format. Legacy is based entirely on your matchups and luck. I might not want to play against Goblins and Thresh again when I already lost to them in the last event.

E) I dont see what your point is here.. If anything thats a good thing. It means if you spend 10-20 more dollars you can build a competitive standard deck.

Concerning a draft. I dont have the money to spend on another tournament the same day. A free constructed event is the shit. Again if eight people want to draft Kevin will run one.

If this is a normal thing and planned out, the problem of not having a standard deck (if thats your problem) wont ensue. If standards just not your bag find 7 other people that want to play legacy and do so.

Crossing the formats is the very best way to build our community.

A/B) The people that play both are generally better at Magic in general and therefore will be in contention for longer. That makes up a significant amount of people that will be interested in a Standard side event.

C) Blowing $10 for a chance at a $30 card if you fail in a format you're not familiar with is slightly worse prize support than a FNM. Considering that to play in the side event requires you to play Magic for a minimum of 5-6 hours, I think it's really , really improbable that someone would come anyways, or at least a significant amount of people.

D) You can't really use this as an argument. Because I can say that the people that want to play Standard should just go get their own tournament running and find 7 more people, while the Legacy side should be supported. Considering that everyone is guaranteed to play in the Legacy side event if they scrub out, and only a handful can play in the Standard side event if they scrub out, it would make it a better tournament if Legacy was the side event format.

You're not going to bring in many new players by the promise of a tiny side event, and the event is going to be a LOT less fun for the people that like Legacy more than Standard and scrub out. Ultimately it comes down to whether a very fractional gain in the community is better than ensuring a great tourney experience for everyone.
-Slay

ForceofWill

11-10-2007, 01:01 PM

Like i said earlier why not just have everyone in the tournament write what side event they'd want when they hand in decklists...

MeddlingMage

11-10-2007, 03:35 PM

A/B) The people that play both are generally better at Magic in general and therefore will be in contention for longer. That makes up a significant amount of people that will be interested in a Standard side event.

C) Blowing $10 for a chance at a $30 card if you fail in a format you're not familiar with is slightly worse prize support than a FNM. Considering that to play in the side event requires you to play Magic for a minimum of 5-6 hours, I think it's really , really improbable that someone would come anyways, or at least a significant amount of people.

D) You can't really use this as an argument. Because I can say that the people that want to play Standard should just go get their own tournament running and find 7 more people, while the Legacy side should be supported. Considering that everyone is guaranteed to play in the Legacy side event if they scrub out, and only a handful can play in the Standard side event if they scrub out, it would make it a better tournament if Legacy was the side event format.

You're not going to bring in many new players by the promise of a tiny side event, and the event is going to be a LOT less fun for the people that like Legacy more than Standard and scrub out. Ultimately it comes down to whether a very fractional gain in the community is better than ensuring a great tourney experience for everyone.
-Slay

I do not mean to be an ass by saying this, from what I am understanding about what you wrote you do not care about those that play type 2(standard). To me, Magic is Magic no matter what type is being run. If we segregate the various types of tournaments being played that would diminish the amount of potentially new people to try out Legacy. Like Bane said if you don't like the side tourney, get up 7 more players together and have your own side tourney. :smile:

Ebinsugewa

11-11-2007, 01:36 AM

I do not mean to be an ass by saying this, from what I am understanding about what you wrote you do not care about those that play type 2(standard). To me, Magic is Magic no matter what type is being run. If we segregate the various types of tournaments being played that would diminish the amount of potentially new people to try out Legacy. Like Bane said if you don't like the side tourney, get up 7 more players together and have your own side tourney. :smile:

Actually, we don't care about Standard. See that banner on the top of the site? Yeah. No Standard in it. Extra key part bolded: this line of thinking is ludicrous. If you even want a side tourney in the first place, run it yourself. Let the Legacy tournament be, and make Kevin's job simpler. You have to realize that the Legacy players are in the majority here. No one is going to come to a Legacy tournament in a remote part of Massachusetts that is only being advertised on a Legacy-only site with small readership to play Standard. Even if you can't understand why, it really bears no further explaining.

Lego

11-11-2007, 07:51 PM

Legacy is based entirely on your matchups and luck.

Whereas Standard is based on what? Hoping to get paired against the scrubs who show up with terrible decks? I knew there was a reason you played it!

Jaynel

11-11-2007, 08:50 PM

Saying "okay" when an opponent names "Illusionist" as a creature type is hardly trickery.

Slay

11-11-2007, 09:11 PM

If you would like to believe thats what happened go ahead.

Considering I was there when it happened, yes, that's what happened.
-Slay

MeddlingMage

11-12-2007, 08:14 AM

Wow, this is almost like the 60's with segregation. I know this is a site for Legacy, but c'mon the game is based on all different types. Remeber type 2 players know how to build Legacy decks.

insertnamehere

11-12-2007, 08:25 AM

Lego

11-12-2007, 11:46 AM

Seeing that I think Di is talking about me, I will refer from any trash talking about members of the Source. Basically what I am saying is I apologize to you all that I have offended. First off, this argument is going nowhere, Kevin runs Magic tournaments and that includes more than just LEGACY. In my opinion all Legacy players start somewhere, and that is Standard (it is the easiest to start playing). If Kevin wuns a standard side it may recruit some standard players to start building Legacy decks to come and compete.

This isn't necessarily always true. A lot of Legacy players I know played T1 as their first format, realized they couldn't compete except in heavily Proxied environments, and then found the glory that is Legacy. Not everyone starts with Standard, and even if you assume that some are beginning the transition from Standard to Legacy, I don't know that a Standard side event is going to help them come to a Legacy tournament. They'll come because they want to play Legacy. When I decided to stop playing Standard for Legacy, it was because I hated Standard, not because I wanted to play more often or anything. If Standard players are wanting to play Legacy, it'll be because of the strength, depth, and fun of the format and the players they get to play against, not because it's something to do before a side event.

troopatroop

11-12-2007, 12:17 PM

insertnamehere

11-12-2007, 04:27 PM

This isn't necessarily always true. A lot of Legacy players I know played T1 as their first format, realized they couldn't compete except in heavily Proxied environments, and then found the glory that is Legacy. Not everyone starts with Standard, and even if you assume that some are beginning the transition from Standard to Legacy, I don't know that a Standard side event is going to help them come to a Legacy tournament. They'll come because they want to play Legacy. When I decided to stop playing Standard for Legacy, it was because I hated Standard, not because I wanted to play more often or anything. If Standard players are wanting to play Legacy, it'll be because of the strength, depth, and fun of the format and the players they get to play against, not because it's something to do before a side event.

WOW, well said Lego.

OffTheWall

11-21-2007, 07:23 AM

I've been looking into a cube draft as a side event. Would there be interest in that? If you don't know, cube draft uses the 50 best cards of each color, the best artifacts and lands. The cards are divided into 15 cards packs and they are then drafted.

ForceofWill

11-21-2007, 07:34 AM

I love that idea. For those who haven't played the cube it's the best format ever.

Jander78

11-22-2007, 10:13 AM

Prizes look good anyone from the cuse wanna go win this?
I'm in if someone is willing to drive.

Bryant Cook

11-22-2007, 12:09 PM

EPIC powers unite? I'm interested in going to this, can we get something together?

Michael Keller

11-22-2007, 01:07 PM

I'll go.

Peter_Rotten

11-22-2007, 05:39 PM

This would be hot. I haven't stomped on some Cuse players in quite some time.

Bryant Cook

11-22-2007, 06:54 PM

'Cuse players don't lose to people who play GAS. Sorry. Wait, my bad it's called Goyf Sligh now.

Jander78

11-22-2007, 08:14 PM

Looks like we have a carload from Syracuse......but who's car? Any volunteers?

Michael Keller

11-23-2007, 02:12 PM

How many are going?

Jander78

11-23-2007, 03:15 PM

Looks like we can get 4 at least:
You
Me
wastelife
Mulletus

insertnamehere

11-25-2007, 08:05 PM

OK, with the exception of 'Cuse and Team Necro, who else is coming?

Peter_Rotten

11-25-2007, 08:24 PM

Team Albany... packing some of the worst decks in the format!

insertnamehere

11-25-2007, 08:30 PM

Team Albany... packing some of the worst decks in the format!

Dunno 'nout that. You haven't seen my decks lately.

technogeek5000

11-25-2007, 08:33 PM

If me and my dad come then its probably gonna be anywhere from 2-4 from CT. Theres also Pat (guy who won 4x U sea) and another player at our local cardshop but i havent heard from them since TMLO.

VsTheWorld

11-25-2007, 08:55 PM

Not sure what's going on with the Stoughton crew yet. I still haven't decided if I'm going, but if I do I'm most likely getting at least one other with me.

RoddyVR

11-26-2007, 09:30 AM

I'm going, either in someone else's car, or in my own if i cant find someone else's. Anyone from Worcester wants to carpool to save a few bucks on gas let me know (your car or mine).

willo

11-26-2007, 01:11 PM

Anyone from the syracuse area have an extra spot? Please PM me.

TrialByFire

11-26-2007, 04:27 PM

If all of you have no idea what the cube draft is, yo have probably been in te dark. Or you don't are about the Invitational. Anyways, Cube Draft is probably best limited format I have ever played in. Our own Fuckin Bryan has the entire cube draft list built and sleeved and ready to go (minus power and a few random cards, but we just proxy those).

For a side event, I think that this would be the best format to play because all you need to enter is yourself and it isn't contingent on format and the like. We are hoping to be able to do this as a side event because it is very fun and appeals to a majority of the people (I would think). Besides, theres nothing more fun than setting up infinite Time Walk with E Wit and Recurring Nightmare IN FUCKING DRAFT.:tongue:

Plus you could walk away with a free Tarmogoyf for it. So if there is enough response, we will probably be doing this for a side event. Let us know what you guys think

Finn

11-26-2007, 09:48 PM

appeals to a majority of the peopleI will second that. I sat down with the Western Mass crew not knowing what Cube Draft was at all. BTW, I loath drafting. But I agreed to it after seeing some of the cards, and I will definitely do it again.

In fact, I can't beleive it has taken so many years for the format to come about. It is that good.

Sims

11-26-2007, 10:46 PM

I may actually show up to this..... depends on how broke I am or what card pool i've got to construct a deck from...

TrialByFire

11-27-2007, 01:28 PM

Thanks for the vote of confidence Finn... it was fun playing with you, maybe you can make it up to Western Mass for a big tourney sometime.

Madmaniac21

11-28-2007, 10:07 AM

So does someone wanna tell me what deck beats the format right now so I can play it on Saturday?

Peter_Rotten

11-28-2007, 12:09 PM

Burning Tog.

Slay

11-28-2007, 12:13 PM

Trix.
-Slay

Lego

11-28-2007, 12:17 PM

Trix.

+1

Watcher487

11-28-2007, 09:54 PM

Anything that can run more than 4 Tarmogoyf, just look at Battle of Goyf, IT'S AMAZING!!!!!11!!!1101101 01!!!?!?!?

RoddyVR

11-30-2007, 10:14 AM

Hey Kevin, I'm gonna buy 3 FoWs this weekend (dont have much left to trade for them so getting them as a late Bday present for myself). Could you tell me if you have 3 available there, cause if you dont have any/enough i'll probably have to make the effort to go get them today instead. If you do have 3 there, could i like reserve them or something so you dont go selling them before i show up tomorow, or is your store strictly first come first serve?

in either case, looking forward to the tourny tomorow.

insertnamehere

11-30-2007, 11:11 AM

Bane of the Living

12-01-2007, 12:27 AM

Comon on down to Taxachusetts and get beat in guys!

technogeek5000

12-01-2007, 08:45 AM

I wont be able to make it to this one. Ill probably be at the next one tho.

OffTheWall

12-01-2007, 08:47 PM

Thank you to everyone that came out for the event. We had 34 people in attendance. Top 8 was:
1: Dan Gacioch (Storm)
2: James Mankins (UW standstill)
3-4: Jeff Kowalczyk (Alluren)
Jay Palmer (Dragon Stompy)
5-8:
Ben Lukas
Pat Kellaher
Matt McNally
Steve Normandin

I will post a more complete report shortly.

Sims

12-01-2007, 09:17 PM

Thank you to everyone that came out for the event. We had 34 people in attendance. Top 8 was:
1: Dan Gacioch (Storm)
2: James Mankins (BW standstill)
3-4: Jeff Kowalczyk (Alluren)
Jay Palmer (Dragon Stompy)
5-8:
Ben Lukas
Pat Kellaher
Matt McNally
Steve Normandin

I will post a more complete report shortly.

Was a good time.. Maybe i'll have to drag my ass out again after shaking the cobwebs out of the part of my brain that tells me how to play magic decently. Gratz to Jay and Norm for Top8ing. Sucks that Matt, Shane, Bre, and myself couldn't crack the top 8 with you guys.

ForceofWill

12-01-2007, 10:03 PM

Gotta love 5-1ing the swiss and losing to the 4-2 in 8th place.

Peter_Rotten

12-01-2007, 10:11 PM

Thank you to everyone that came out for the event. We had 34 people in attendance. Top 8 was:
1: Dan Gacioch (TES)
2: James Mankins (UW standstill)
3-4: Jeff Kowalczyk (Alluren)
Jay Palmer (Dragon Stompy)
5-8:
Ben Lukas - Goblins - B
Pat Kellaher - Angel Stax
Matt McNally - Cephalid Breakfast
Steve Normandin - Goyf Sligh

I will post a more complete report shortly.

We'd love to see the T8 lists so that we can include this in the Historical T8 thread and and have it count for the DTBF. I also filled in some info.

ForceofWill

12-01-2007, 10:23 PM

Top 8

5-1 swiss

Rgb Survival

// Lands
2 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
4 [TE] Wasteland
4 [MM] Rishadan Port
4 [ON] Wooded Foothills
4 [LRW] Mountain (1)
2 [R] Badlands
3 [U] Taiga

// Creatures
2 [LRW] Wort, Boggart Auntie
2 [10E] Siege-Gang Commander
3 [LE] Gempalm Incinerator
4 [10E] Mogg Fanatic
4 [ON] Goblin Piledriver
4 [SC] Goblin Warchief
4 [7E] Goblin Matron
4 [US] Goblin Lackey
4 [AP] Goblin Ringleader
2 [GP] Tin Street Hooligan

// Spells
4 [DS] AEther Vial

// Sideboard
SB: 2 Engineered Explosives
SB: 4 Chalice of the Void
SB: 2 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 3 [AT] Pyrokinesis
SB: 4 [GP] Leyline of the Void

Gaagooch

12-01-2007, 11:48 PM

I am Dan, i went 4-2 through swiss and snuck into top 8 and never looked back...I played T.E.S.

Maindeck
4 City of Brass
4 Gemstone Mine
2 Undiscovered Paradise
4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Dark Ritual
4 Rite of Flame
4 Burning Wish
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Orim's Chant
4 Brainstorm
4 Dark Confidant
2 Abeyance
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Diminishing Returns

Sideboard
3 Shattering Spree
2 Deathmark
2 Pyroblast
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroclasm
1Tendrils of Agony
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Cruel Bargain
1 Tranquility

Im far too tired to talk about the tournament right now, i may or may not in fact post a report in the future, but for the time being i figured a decklist would suffice. Thanks to Kevin for holding the tournament and to everyone that showed...It was a good time...

Sims

12-02-2007, 12:01 AM

We'd love to see the T8 lists so that we can include this in the Historical T8 thread and and have it count for the DTBF. I also filled in some info.

Lies! Norm was playing GGAS! Good Goyf Albany Sligh!

Shriekmaw

12-02-2007, 12:25 AM

Gotta love 5-1ing the swiss and losing to the 4-2 in 8th place.

I hate to give you a quick update , but seeds mean nothing when it comes to Top 8. Its all about matchups, and unfortunate for you, it was a bad one.

TeenieBopper

12-02-2007, 12:34 AM

Was a good time.. Maybe i'll have to drag my ass out again after shaking the cobwebs out of the part of my brain that tells me how to play magic decently. Gratz to Jay and Norm for Top8ing. Sucks that Matt, Shane, Bre, and myself couldn't crack the top 8 with you guys.

How come you guys go to Hadley but you never come to Syracuse?

Sims

12-02-2007, 12:49 AM

I have no idea why they never go to 'cuse. I normally don't because I don't have money, deck, or a ride. Shane provided all of the above for me in this tournament, and fuck, 3-3 (being 3-2 going into round 6 with a top 8 spot on the line against the eventual winner) in my first tourney in like 2 years? I'll take it. And it was a fucking blast.

If it makes you feel any better I'll mail you a few Russian Goblin tokens, Mike.

Edit: To clarify, I don't own much in the way of magical cards anymore and my car won't make it out there without either dying or costing a fortune in gas that has to go into my tank for getting to work, classes, car insurance, and general bill paying... So while I reimbursed shane in cards for the entry fee and ride, I'm not sure it's something I'm going to be able to do all the time... regardless of the destination being 'Cuse, Hadley, or where ever.

Gaagooch

12-02-2007, 09:00 AM

Cuse is like three to four hours longer of a drive for me and my crew. We plan on getting out their eventually, because the prize support is pretty much always insane. Its just one hell of a trip for a one day tourney...

Peter_Rotten

12-02-2007, 09:16 AM

How come you guys go to Hadley but you never come to Syracuse?

Hadley = One hour and forty minutes away from me. Ten dollar entry fee. Reasonable chance of making T8. Great store with very fair prices on singles. Flexible prize structure (Don't like the prize? Get store credit instead and use it on the fairly priced singles).

Cuse = Two hours and fifteen minutes. Large entry fee. Tougher competition. Do you guys even have a store anymore? Should I raise the hackneyed topic of Change the Name's prices?

Braves54321

12-02-2007, 09:22 AM

I went 4-1-1 in swiss, losing only to Aluren in both swiss and then top 8.

Deck list for reference:

Maindeck:
7 Mountain
1 Forest
4 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Bloodstained Mire

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Mogg Fanatic
3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Hearth Kami

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
3 Cursed Scroll
3 Price of Progress
3 Fireblast
3 Magma Jet
2 Incinerate
2 Seal of Fire
2 Tarfire

SB:
4 Pithing Needle
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Krosan Grip
2 Pyroclasm
1 Seal of Primordium
1 Price of Progress

Good matchups and decent play from myself got me a top 8 for the first time in a while.

Props:
-Kevin for hosting a great tournament. His store had singles I needed at good prices, as always.
-All my opponents, for being friendly.
-Cursed Scroll, for being super awesome and winning me a few games on its own.
-Matt P for driving, and Sims for finally getting his ass to a bigger tourny.

Slops:
-McDonalds for pwning my stomach on the way home. All I ate was a Big Mac....c'monnn.

Raider Bob

12-02-2007, 10:17 AM

PARAPHRASED QUOTE FROM PETER ROTTON

"Cuse = Tougher competition."

Translation - "I am a pussy who can not hang with the big boys."

Nuff Said

Peter_Rotten

12-02-2007, 10:28 AM

My lack of practice and wanning playskill needs the Mass meta.

Bryant Cook

12-02-2007, 10:49 AM

WOOPT! go go TES! Dan you're my hero. See us scrubbing out at TMLO3 wasn't too bad...:-/

Gaagooch

12-02-2007, 10:57 AM

Nah it wasnt so terrible...only if i knew how to type my decklists out the right way and not make mistakes...im a noob...

Ebinsugewa

12-02-2007, 11:52 AM

My lack of practice and wanning playskill needs the Mass meta.

Ouch.

Cait_Sith

12-02-2007, 12:07 PM

My lack of practice and wanning playskill needs the Mass meta.

Play Burning Tog and all will be well.

TeenieBopper

12-02-2007, 12:25 PM

Hadley = One hour and forty minutes away from me. Ten dollar entry fee. Reasonable chance of making T8. Great store with very fair prices on singles. Flexible prize structure (Don't like the prize? Get store credit instead and use it on the fairly priced singles).

Cuse = Two hours and fifteen minutes. Large entry fee. Tougher competition. Do you guys even have a store anymore? Should I raise the hackneyed topic of Change the Name's prices?

Ah, fair enough. I new about the entry fees and lack of competition (oh, burn). I didn't realize that Hadley was a good 40 minutes closer. We just miss you guys and your free byes :(

Afro

12-02-2007, 02:47 PM

Here is my dragon stompy list for reference.

10 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors

4 Chrome Mox
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Trinisphere
3 Jitte
2 Sword of Fire and Ice

4 Pit Dragon
4 Arc Slogger
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Gathan Raiders
3 Magus of the Moon
4 Seething Song
3 Blood Moon

I ended up 4-0-2ing into the top 8. Beat Angel Stax in the first round then lost to Landstill in the semi's.

Props:

Kevin for ANOTHER awesome tournament and for putting aside that Badlands.
Norm for having Kevin put aside said Badlands.
All my opponents for having awesome character and attitudes.
Sims for making an actual event.

Slops:

Matt P for playing bad cards and not top8ing.

ForceofWill

12-02-2007, 03:44 PM

My lack of practice and wanning playskill needs the Mass meta.

Didn't you go like 2-3 drop?

Peter_Rotten

12-02-2007, 03:47 PM

Didn't you go like 2-3 drop?

Nope. 2-4.

That Goblins match was just STUPID. 2 losses to Angel Stax - nothing I can do about that match. And Sims beat me in the mirror.

Sims

12-02-2007, 03:57 PM

Nope. 2-4.

That Goblins match was just STUPID. 2 losses to Angel Stax - nothing I can do about that match. And Sims beat me in the mirror.

Game 1- 3 Goyfs to his 1. Game 2- turn 2 3/4 goyf gets burned and followed by a 4/5 goyf that takes it home. Mirror match is rather retarded, lol.

Unknown13

12-02-2007, 08:32 PM

Great tournament as always Kevin. Looking forward to the next one. For those who are interested, here's the list I top 8'd with:

4 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
3 Underground Sea
3 Tropical Island
3 Tundra
1 Island

4 Nomads en-Kor
1 Shaman en-Kor
4 Cephalid Illusionist
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Narcomoeba
1 Sutured Ghoul

4 Aether Vial
4 Brainstorm
3 Worldly Tutor
2 Cabal Therapy
3 Lim-Dul's Vault
3 Abeyance
1 Dragon Breath
1 Echoing Truth
1 Dread Return
4 Force of Will

SB:

3 Pernicious Deed
3 Dark Confidant
3 Extirpate
2 Krosan Grip
2 Reverent Silence
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Abeyance

Rehallek

12-02-2007, 11:35 PM

Figured I'd put up a decklist of my AngelStax deck I t8ed and got 5-8 with if anyone was interested.

8x Plains
4x Flagstones of Trokair
4x City of Traitors
4x Ancient Tomb
4x Zoetic Caverns
2x Wasteland
1x Horizon Canopy
4x Mox Diamond

4x Chalice of the Void
4x Trinisphere
4x Crucible of Worlds
3x Oblivion Ring
3x Ghostly Prison
4x Smokestack
3x Armageddon

2x Karn, Silver Golem
3x Exalted Angel

Another great tournament and looking forward to the next.

OffTheWall

12-03-2007, 10:40 AM

Well, just about everyone beat me to posting the top 8 deck lists. However, there are two remaining, so I will post those now.
James Mankins (2nd Place)-UW Landstill
Land:
4 Tundra
1 Wasteland
4 Flooded Strand
2 Faerie Conclave
4 Mishra's Factory
3 Island
5 Plains
1 Academy Ruins

Artifacts:
1 Crucible
2 N. Disk
1 V. Shackles

Spells:
1 Pulse of Fields
1 Humility
2 FOF
3 Mana Leak
4 FOW
4 STP
4 Brainstorm
2 Decree of Justice
1 Ajani Goldmane
3 Stifle
3 Wrath of God
4 Standstill

Sideboard:
4 Pithing Needle
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Orim's Chant
1 Tsabo's Web
1 COP: Green
2 COP: Red
1 Wasteland

And
Jeff Kowalczyk (3-4th)-Alluren
Land:
1 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
2 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
1 Taiga
2 Bayou
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Windswept Heath
2 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
2 Forest
1 Island

Creatures:
1 Spike Feeder
4 Imperial Recruiter
1 Ghitu Slinger
1 Cavern Harpy
1 Etched Oracle
4 Wall of Roots
1 Dream Stalker
2 Eternal Witness
1 Man O' War
3 Raven Familiar
2 Tinder Wall

Spells:
4 Brainstorm
4 FOW
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Alluren
4 Cabal Ritual
3 Lim-Dul's Vault

Sideboard:
3 Disrupt
4 Pernicious Deed
4 Spell Snare
4 Yixlid Jailer

Thanks again to everyone that came out. I hope you all had a great time, and I look forward to posting the next event soon.

TrialByFire

12-03-2007, 01:43 PM

Nice job James, 2nd place FTW.

Peter_Rotten

12-03-2007, 02:04 PM

Decklist without SB.

Can you list your SB also?

Jaynel

12-03-2007, 02:13 PM

Can you morph Zoetic Cavern from your graveyard with Crucible in play?

Bane of the Living

12-03-2007, 02:45 PM

Can you morph Zoetic Cavern from your graveyard with Crucible in play?

NO.

Rehallek

12-03-2007, 02:58 PM

Can you list your SB also?

4x Tormod's Crypt
3x Damping Matrix
3x Magus of the Tabernacle
2x Suppression Field
2x Ghostly Prison
1x Oblivion Ring

Jaynel

12-03-2007, 03:13 PM

5 Ghostly Prisons between maindeck and sideboard?

TrialByFire

12-03-2007, 03:40 PM

^^ I'm pretty sure he had 3 Suppression Field, and the 4th Prison SB

OffTheWall

12-03-2007, 03:50 PM

He had 2 prisons main and 2 in the SB according to his decklist (which I added up and was 60 cards) .

Gaagooch

12-03-2007, 11:30 PM

WOOPT! go go TES! Dan you're my hero. See us scrubbing out at TMLO3 wasn't too bad...:-/

For the record Bryant...i am everyones hero...they just dont know it yet...

Lego

12-04-2007, 01:49 AM

Can you morph Zoetic Cavern from your graveyard with Crucible in play?

NO.

Which is one reason I was really confused when I saw him playing it. Am I missing something? I mean, Chalice at 0 is actually really good against that list! I don't want to make horrible assumptions without testing (although I've just done so) but that's just my gut reaction.

Rehallek

12-04-2007, 09:41 AM

He had 2 prisons main and 2 in the SB according to his decklist (which I added up and was 60 cards) .

Yah that was a typo I meant 2 in the main deck.
And also I play the caverns because everyone thinks they are Angels when I lay them down and immediately kill them. I guess Chalice for 0 hurts, but I also have Karn or I can hardcast the Angel. It's not like I don't get enough mana consistently.

technogeek5000

12-04-2007, 02:47 PM

Congrats Pat. I didnt get to go up to this because i was busy and couldnt get a ride. Maybe ill see you at the next one of these or at Barons.

Rehallek

12-04-2007, 04:18 PM

Congrats Pat. I didnt get to go up to this because i was busy and couldnt get a ride. Maybe ill see you at the next one of these or at Barons.

Thanks thanks and if you ever need a ride up to one of these tournaments just pm me or let me know

Peter_Rotten

12-10-2007, 09:02 AM

For easy historical reference:

1: Dan Gacioch TES
2: James Mankins UW standstill
3-4: Jeff Kowalczyk Alluren
Jay Palmer Dragon Stompy
5-8:
Ben Lukas - Goblins - B
Pat Kellaher - Angel Stax
Matt McNally - Cephalid Breakfast
Steve Normandin - Goyf Sligh

TES - Dan Gacioch - Gaagooch

Maindeck
4 City of Brass
4 Gemstone Mine
2 Undiscovered Paradise
4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Dark Ritual
4 Rite of Flame
4 Burning Wish
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Orim's Chant
4 Brainstorm
4 Dark Confidant
2 Abeyance
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Diminishing Returns

Sideboard
3 Shattering Spree
2 Deathmark
2 Pyroblast
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroclasm
1Tendrils of Agony
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Cruel Bargain
1 Tranquility

UW Landstill - James Mankins
Land:
4 Tundra
1 Wasteland
4 Flooded Strand
2 Faerie Conclave
4 Mishra's Factory
3 Island
5 Plains
1 Academy Ruins

Artifacts:
1 Crucible
2 N. Disk
1 V. Shackles

Spells:
1 Pulse of Fields
1 Humility
2 FOF
3 Mana Leak
4 FOW
4 STP
4 Brainstorm
2 Decree of Justice
1 Ajani Goldmane
3 Stifle
3 Wrath of God
4 Standstill

Sideboard:
4 Pithing Needle
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Orim's Chant
1 Tsabo's Web
1 COP: Green
2 COP: Red
1 Wasteland

Aluren -Jeff Kowalczyk
Land:
1 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
2 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
1 Taiga
2 Bayou
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Windswept Heath
2 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
2 Forest
1 Island

Creatures:
1 Spike Feeder
4 Imperial Recruiter
1 Ghitu Slinger
1 Cavern Harpy
1 Etched Oracle
4 Wall of Roots
1 Dream Stalker
2 Eternal Witness
1 Man O' War
3 Raven Familiar
2 Tinder Wall

Spells:
4 Brainstorm
4 FOW
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Alluren
4 Cabal Ritual
3 Lim-Dul's Vault

Sideboard:
3 Disrupt
4 Pernicious Deed
4 Spell Snare
4 Yixlid Jailer

Dragon Stompy - "JP" Jay Palmer - Afro

10 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors

4 Chrome Mox
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Trinisphere
3 Jitte
2 Sword of Fire and Ice

4 Pit Dragon
4 Arc Slogger
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Gathan Raiders
3 Magus of the Moon
4 Seething Song
3 Blood Moon

Angel Stax -Rehallek Lavamancer

8x Plains
4x Flagstones of Trokair
4x City of Traitors
4x Ancient Tomb
4x Zoetic Caverns
2x Wasteland
1x Horizon Canopy
4x Mox Diamond

4x Chalice of the Void
4x Trinisphere
4x Crucible of Worlds
3x Oblivion Ring
3x Ghostly Prison
4x Smokestack
3x Armageddon

2x Karn, Silver Golem
3x Exalted Angel

SB:
4x Tormod's Crypt
3x Damping Matrix
3x Magus of the Tabernacle
2x Suppression Field
2x Ghostly Prison
1x Oblivion Ring

Cephalid Breakfast - Unknown 13

4 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
3 Underground Sea
3 Tropical Island
3 Tundra
1 Island

4 Nomads en-Kor
1 Shaman en-Kor
4 Cephalid Illusionist
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Narcomoeba
1 Sutured Ghoul

4 Aether Vial
4 Brainstorm
3 Worldly Tutor
2 Cabal Therapy
3 Lim-Dul's Vault
3 Abeyance
1 Dragon Breath
1 Echoing Truth
1 Dread Return
4 Force of Will

SB:

3 Pernicious Deed
3 Dark Confidant
3 Extirpate
2 Krosan Grip
2 Reverent Silence
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Abeyance

Goyf Sligh - Steve Normandin - braves54321

Maindeck:
7 Mountain
1 Forest
4 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Bloodstained Mire

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Mogg Fanatic
3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Hearth Kami

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
3 Cursed Scroll
3 Price of Progress
3 Fireblast
3 Magma Jet
2 Incinerate
2 Seal of Fire
2 Tarfire

SB:
4 Pithing Needle
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Krosan Grip
2 Pyroclasm
1 Seal of Primordium
1 Price of Progress

Goblins B - Ben Lukas - Forceofwill

// Lands
2 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
4 [TE] Wasteland
4 [MM] Rishadan Port
4 [ON] Wooded Foothills
4 [LRW] Mountain (1)
2 [R] Badlands
3 [u] Taiga

// Creatures
2 [LRW] Wort, Boggart Auntie
2 [10E] Siege-Gang Commander
3 [LE] Gempalm Incinerator
4 [10E] Mogg Fanatic
4 [ON] Goblin Piledriver
4 [SC] Goblin Warchief
4 [7E] Goblin Matron
4 [US] Goblin Lackey
4 [AP] Goblin Ringleader
2 [GP] Tin Street Hooligan

// Spells
4 [DS] AEther Vial

// Sideboard
SB: 2 Engineered Explosives
SB: 4 Chalice of the Void
SB: 2 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 3 [AT] Pyrokinesis
SB: 4 [GP] Leyline of the Void