[Article] Our Legacy

[SpencerForHire]

So I've begun the act of writing articles for our fair format and I'd love to know what you think. On top of that, I would love to know what you would like to hear about in the context of the established decks, different variants, and all kinds of established mish-mash!



What is “Tier Zero?” Simply put, Tier Zero is the tier where you put all those decks we see on the forums that have 80-20 ratings against every bad match-up and even more preferable statistics against the decks they are meant to beat.

Here ya go. (http://www.magiceternal.com/wordpress/?p=11)

[Finn]

Hey dude. I read the article. Comments follow:

1. Specifics go a long way to entertaining/informing people in the inner circles. That is,
Before 2007 many combo decks folded to large amounts of discard, manabase disruption, or multiple counters. With the addition of cards like Abeyance, which lock their opponent out for a turn, they are able to win the game as easily as if they were goldfishing.

The reason such combo decks really see success though is actually it’s get down to business mentality. In a somewhat slower format like Legacy, combo decks can just try and pull off a quick win before a deck such as Threshold can stabilize, or a deck like Goblins can put damage at lethal. looks like a really ignorant thing to say. I think your point about the need for cantrips is a sound one. I end up in blue more often than I like simply due to them. But the part I quoted is really a bad way to put it.
a. Before 2007 many combo...yeah, this is not true. Solidarity was the only man in town for a long time, and he built his house on a foundation of amazing resilience to that sort of thing. The ones today are far more vulnerable. They just win faster and gamble on not seeing FoW every game.
b. I don't know what a "down to business mentality" is for a deck, but I am guessing it is the speed thing. If that is so the next sentence contradicts this. Either way, the sentence doesn't really say anything.
c. Legacy is slower compared to...what, Vintage? On a site called MagicEternal, this may fly, but only to a narrow audience. There's no reason it has to be that way.
d. Threshold is stable from the time the first land hits the table. It is the offense that occasionally requires a few turns to come online.

2. Fire the copy editor. A few sentences were close to unreadable.

3. Cool topic. Interesting approach. Please write more.

[emidln]

a. Before 2007 many combo...yeah, this is not true. Solidarity was the only man in town for a long time, and he built his house on a foundation of amazing resilience to that sort of thing. The ones today are far more vulnerable. They just win faster and gamble on not seeing FoW every game.

Do you know what cards like Abeyance and Orim's Chant do? As in, have you read them? We play them specifically because people do play Force of Will.

[Bahamuth]

Do you know what cards like Abeyance and Orim's Chant do? As in, have you read them? We play them specifically because people do play Force of Will.

Of course, but that still doesn't make the faster combo decks around more resilient to counters than Solidarity. Solidarity trades speed for being more resilient and having the ability to fight through a big counterwall. I agree that saying that faster combo gambles for Fow-less opponents is going too far, but these decks do have a bigger vulnerability than slow combo decks such as Solidarity.

[thefreakaccident]

All he is saying is that solidarity is less vulnerable to countermagic than today's current combo decks... I don't think anyone will attempt to argue otherwise...

Orims chant/abeyance has become a requirement for combo to remain successful in the format... otherwise they would have fallen completely out of favour a long while ago. With the addition of those cards, not only did it survive, it thrives under the right conditions...

[Finn]

Don't take it personally, emidln. Nobody's saying combo is weak here.

[SpencerForHire]

Please consider "many" does not mean all. I understand the need to avoid all encompassing speach such as "all combo decks" or "no combo decks."

But when you look at IGGy or other decks like that (I believe offhand that there were more several Storm based decks besides solidarity) that really couldn't survive through a Hymn or a well placed Force of Will unless they were really set up. Now a day we see alot more instances of the things I mentioned like Abeyance and Duress (or Thoughtseize) which give much more room for the storm deck to set up and win.

Edit: And no I don't think anyone here thinks combo decks are weak at this time.