Protean Hulk -> Dracoplasm

[iOWN]

This question arose in the MossNought thread.

Protean Hulk is put into a graveyard from play. I search for Volrath's Shapeshifter, Dracoplasm, and Phyrexian Dreadnought. Can I sacrifice the other two creatures to Dracoplasm as it comes into play? In other words, will the Dreadnought and Shapeshifter be in play as Dracoplasm comes into play?

I believed that because it is a simultaneous effect that puts the creatures into play, you could choose the order in which the creatures recieve their timestamp. Static abilities take effect simultaneously to that permanent entering play, so you would be able to have Dreadnought and Shapeshifter enter play first, and then sacrifice them as Dracoplasm enters play.

However, Ewokslayer found a similar ruling from Saturday School that contradicts this.


Q: If Clone is in a graveyard and a player casts Living Death, then what happens to Clone? --Robert N.

A: Players will remove all creature cards in their graveyards from the game. Then they'll sacrifice all creatures they control. Just before the removed creatures come into play, Clone looks around and finds nothing to copy, so it comes into play as a 0/0 and probably dies.

What happens here?

[zulander]

I'd have to disagree with the ruling regarding clone. Clone doesn't look around until it comes into play, not while it's RFG. Am I wrong?

[Ewokslayer]

I'd have to disagree with the ruling regarding clone. Clone doesn't look around until it comes into play, not while it's RFG. Am I wrong?

Yes.
Clone copies the creature as it comes into play, similar to Dracoplasm.

[on1y0ne]

Yes.
Clone copies the creature as it comes into play, similar to Dracoplasm.

Yes, but there are no creatures in play for the Clone to copy when resolving a Living Death.

Unless there are other creatures in play when Dracoplasm comes in, it will go to the graveyard due to SBEs. Remember, Dracoplasm is not a triggered ability, it is as it comes into play, not when, which makes a big difference.

So to answer the question, getting a 'plasm with your Hulk does you no good unless there are other creatures in play when the Hulk's ability resolves. It will come into play as a 0/0 then go to the yard.

[edgewalker]

So does the combo work like this then?

1) Sac Hulk to dreadnought
2) Grab Shapeshifter, 3 Dreadnoughts
3) Sac Hulk (copy), 1 dreadnought
4) Grab Dracoplasm, Inner-Flame Acololyte, and Benevolent Bodygaurd
5) Sac both dreadnoughts to plasm and give it haste/protection and swing

[Ewokslayer]

That's what I said.
though the solution to the problem for the deck was already given

I have a feeling that even if this is the case, you can grab Nought, Nought, Nought, Shapeshifter, sac Shapeshifter & 1 Nought, leaving 2 nought triggers on the stack, then grab Dracoplasm + whatever (sac the 2 dreadnoughts with triggers still on the stack) for the kill.