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Mordenkain
01-31-2008, 09:10 AM
For some time now a buddy of mine and me have been discussing about how to correctly tap a card. It seems there are countless ways, personal and strange, to tap a card.
Personally I tap 90 degrees to the left.

How do you tap?

Shtriga
01-31-2008, 09:15 AM
usually creatures/artifacts 90% to the left, and lands 90% to the right. unless I only have 1 land, in which case I tap it to the left too

:S

KillemallCFH
01-31-2008, 09:18 AM
I tap all my cards ~90º to the left (counterclockwise).

n00bas4urus_r3x
01-31-2008, 09:33 AM
90 to the right most of the time.

Nihil Credo
01-31-2008, 09:35 AM
90 to the right.

Just a guess: maybe the guys who turn them to the left are left-handed?

quicksilver
01-31-2008, 09:52 AM
90 degrees to the right. The tap symbol clearly shows an arrow going to the right (clockwise), you left tapping people are wrong. And don't get me started on people who play their cards upside down.

Silverdragon
01-31-2008, 09:52 AM
I think we had this discussion some time ago and many people said that it depends on whether you are left or right handed and where you touch your cards to turn them. For example if you are left handed and are used to hold your cards in the middle left to bottom left when you pick them up you will most likely turn them clockwise as it is the most convenient motion.
In my case I turn the cards clockwise mostly I think because of the arrow in the tap symbol (it just feels "more right" somehow).

Arsenal
01-31-2008, 10:10 AM
90 to the right. Like previous people have said; the "tap" symbol is clearly going to the right (clockwise). Therefore, this is how I tap the card.

fetchesbasiclands
01-31-2008, 10:28 AM
Do you tap Auras and Equipments attached to Creatures?

quicksilver
01-31-2008, 10:31 AM
Do you tap Auras and Equipments attached to Creatures?

No, that would be incorrect.

Arsenal
01-31-2008, 10:31 AM
Do you tap Auras and Equipments attached to Creatures?

I usually place the Aura and Equipment underneath the creature, but so that the name and casting cost of the Aura or Equipment is clearly visible. So when I tap my creature, the Aura/Equipment goes along with it too.

Maveric78f
01-31-2008, 10:32 AM
I tap to the right between 45 and 90°.

I usually tap also attached permanents, even if I know that I should not. It's just more convenient.

Arsenal
01-31-2008, 10:33 AM
I tap to the right between 45 and 90°.

I usually tap also attached permanents, even if I know that I should not. It's just more convenient.

Exactly, it lets both players recognize what goes with what more easily; this is especially true when multiple copies of Auras and Equipment are out in play.

Maveric78f
01-31-2008, 10:48 AM
And I put the Jitte counters on my equipped creature. I know, I'm a sinner.

VsTheWorld
01-31-2008, 11:34 AM
I tap 90 degrees to the right. I also used to tap my equipment and creatures as one entity when I attacked, but lately in tournaments I've been making it a point to tap just the creature like I should. And KillemallCFH, who taps to the left, is not left handed. We can't figure why he does it that way, since we've played together for as long as we've played and I've always tapped to the right.

RoddyVR
01-31-2008, 11:54 AM
I tap 90° to the right, like the tap simbol sais i should.

I don't mind people who tap the wrong way, or ones who play with their cards up side down (that's actualy kind of cool).

However, I do NOT like people who tap their cards like 30° and think that's enough... It gets prety hard to tell when you have a tapped land and 2 untapped ones or if they're all tapped, when the degree of the turn is so small.

Pinder
01-31-2008, 12:04 PM
90 to the right. Is there any other way?

Anarky87
01-31-2008, 12:06 PM
I used to tap from beneath quite a bit, but more recently I've been tapping from behind. It was a nice transition and I haven't had any complaints. So I think I'll be a back door tapper for the time being.

KillemallCFH
01-31-2008, 12:08 PM
I tap 90 degrees to the right. I also used to tap my equipment and creatures as one entity when I attacked, but lately in tournaments I've been making it a point to tap just the creature like I should. And KillemallCFH, who taps to the left, is not left handed. We can't figure why he does it that way, since we've played together for as long as we've played and I've always tapped to the right.It just feels more natural. Anatomically, it is just easier to rotate your hand inwards than outwards. Thus, I turn my right hand inwards, and the card moves counterclockwise with it.

mujadaddy
01-31-2008, 12:18 PM
90 degrees to the right. The tap symbol clearly shows an arrow going to the right (clockwise), you left tapping people are wrong. And don't get me started on people who play their cards upside down.

I play summoning-sick cards upside-down, so I don't forget they're sick.

Maveric78f
01-31-2008, 12:23 PM
I play summoning-sick cards upside-down, so I don't forget they're sick.

Deficient short-term memory? How can you do it with morph creatures?

Goaswerfraiejen
01-31-2008, 12:32 PM
I think we had this discussion some time ago and many people said that it depends on whether you are left or right handed and where you touch your cards to turn them. For example if you are left handed and are used to hold your cards in the middle left to bottom left when you pick them up you will most likely turn them clockwise as it is the most convenient motion.
In my case I turn the cards clockwise mostly I think because of the arrow in the tap symbol (it just feels "more right" somehow).



I am right-handed and, unless I'm mistaken, I tap 90 degrees to the left. Dunno why; it just seems easier.



Come to think of it, doesn't MWS tap to the left?

VuRkka
01-31-2008, 12:32 PM
Clockwise 90°. I thought I did it because I'm lefty, but it seems to be the most common way to tap.

Taurelin
01-31-2008, 12:43 PM
Clockwise, 90°, even though I'm right-handed.

I also follow the tap-symbol, and even more the experiences from my first gaming-lessons. I got used to it and feel no need to change it in any way.

mujadaddy
01-31-2008, 12:46 PM
Deficient short-term memory?
*cough*cough*cough*

How can you do it with morph creatures?The back of the card has an orientation, too! :wink:

zulander
01-31-2008, 12:53 PM
I tap it to the right, and if my opponent in a tournament doesn't tap 90 degress I'll ask him to or call a judge. 'Partially' tapping your lands can be a from of cheating(as you can easily say my hand must have touched it, or easily tap it back to untapped), and I don't want it to be an issue.

hall0n
01-31-2008, 01:05 PM
I tap to right, maybe because I'm left-handed or because the tap-symbol shows to right. In casual it's usually 45 degrees, but in tournament play I force myself to tap them full 90 degrees.

C.P.
01-31-2008, 01:38 PM
90 to the right. Is there any other way?

This man Speaks truth.

Bovinious
01-31-2008, 02:07 PM
90 degrees to the right like all the other normal ppl. Also I HATE it when scrubs tap equipment when they attack with an equipped creature...not like it would likely be relevant it just bugs me.

etrigan
01-31-2008, 02:23 PM
It just feels more natural. Anatomically, it is just easier to rotate your hand inwards than outwards. Thus, I turn my right hand inwards, and the card moves counterclockwise with it.

I tap with my index and middle fingers, index holding the card in place, middle rotating it. Tapping with the fingers, it's easier to tap to the right.

Shtriga
01-31-2008, 02:34 PM
I tap with my index and middle fingers, index holding the card in place, middle rotating it. Tapping with the fingers, it's easier to tap to the right.

unless you put your index finger on the top of the card, and use your middle finger to rotate the lower part "upwards" and counterclockwise, thats how I attack, and I move the creature about 5 cms forward and then back to place to clearly show my intents :tongue:

Arsenal
01-31-2008, 02:37 PM
90 degrees to the right like all the other normal ppl. Also I HATE it when scrubs tap equipment when they attack with an equipped creature...not like it would likely be relevant it just bugs me.

If the equipment is underneath the creature, and the player just taps the creature (but not the equipment), that's cool. I got into the bad habit of tapping everything.

The reason I do this is because when players have multiple Auras, Equipment, and Creatures out, and multiple copies of each, it gets confusing to me if the player doesn't keep the Creature + equipped Equipment together. Especially long games where keeping track of permanents gets tougher and tougher.

Pinder
01-31-2008, 02:54 PM
I tap with my index and middle fingers, index holding the card in place, middle rotating it. Tapping with the fingers, it's easier to tap to the right.

Indeed. I do that same thing. That's an interesting point. For the right handed people who tap to the left, do you usually grab the card at the bottom right corner and curl your hand inwards? And for right handed people who tap to the right, do you usually leave the card on tha table like in the example above?

Also, I believe that MWS taps to the right.

Bovinious
01-31-2008, 03:07 PM
If the equipment is underneath the creature, and the player just taps the creature (but not the equipment), that's cool. I got into the bad habit of tapping everything.

The reason I do this is because when players have multiple Auras, Equipment, and Creatures out, and multiple copies of each, it gets confusing to me if the player doesn't keep the Creature + equipped Equipment together. Especially long games where keeping track of permanents gets tougher and tougher.

Well ive never seen multiples auras because there are very few auras even worth playing (control magic, threads, rancor MAYBE?), and multiple equipment is also pretty rare since the best one (Jitte) is legendary anyways. Tapping Auras/Equipment to me just shows either laziness to keep the gamestate intact or that the person doesnt know the rules and thinks it actually becomes tapped, like I said its not a big deal it just really bugs me for some reason.

Versus
01-31-2008, 03:07 PM
90 to the right. And ALWAYS creatures/artifact/enchantment ABOVE my lands. That just freaks me out when I see it the other way.

Bovinious
01-31-2008, 03:10 PM
90 to the right. And ALWAYS creatures/artifact/enchantment ABOVE my lands. That just freaks me out when I see it the other way.

Ah yea thats another one, I always put lands in the back and creatures/permanents in the front so combat is easier to do, lining up blocks and such.

Also, does anyone else play their spell before tapping lands for it? I like doing this because for a second I feel like Im playing the spell for free even tho Im not :(

Meekrab
01-31-2008, 03:44 PM
Ah yea thats another one, I always put lands in the back and creatures/permanents in the front so combat is easier to do, lining up blocks and such.
Why would you make it easier for your opponent to play optimally? Just declare blockers verbally and let him play his combat tricks on the wrong creature if he can't follow along.

I tap whichever way feels right at the time.

Never heard of playing stuff upside down, that's interesting.

Wallace
01-31-2008, 03:45 PM
90 to the right. Is there any other way?

QFMT...


Do you tap Auras and Equipments attached to Creatures?

If your a noob...

Pinder
01-31-2008, 04:05 PM
Also, does anyone else play their spell before tapping lands for it? I like doing this because for a second I feel like Im playing the spell for free even tho Im not :(

Well, I do it because technically you pay costs after you declare the spell. But I suppose doing it because it makes it seem free for a second is a good reason too :tongue:.

I usually only do it in upper level tournaments, though. In my local weekly, it rarely matters, but at Columbus I always announced, then paid.

Shtriga
01-31-2008, 04:17 PM
Indeed. I do that same thing. That's an interesting point. For the right handed people who tap to the left, do you usually grab the card at the bottom right corner and curl your hand inwards? And for right handed people who tap to the right, do you usually leave the card on tha table like in the example above?

Also, I believe that MWS taps to the right.


I pplace my right index finger (I) on the upper left corner of the card and right middle finger (M) on the lower right corner of the card. then M slides/rotates up and counterclockwise, and I stays in place, ending in a 90º turn to the left. but I only got used doing this recently for some reason. in here, the card never leaves the table

for lands though, where I keep them in pairs or 3's, I pick them in a batch through the top left corner and rotate them like you guys describe, to the right. in here , the card lifts from the table and is placed back in the same position

thefreakaccident
01-31-2008, 04:23 PM
I tap critters and other non-land permanents to the left, and my lands the the right...

It is like:

BEATS!!!!

Warcheif<---------

---> Lands

Or right with the lands into the wrath from the right side.

It is awesome!!!

Sanguine Voyeur
01-31-2008, 04:29 PM
I tap counter clock wise with my right hand, "pulsing" creatures towards the opponent when I attack with them.

Shtriga
01-31-2008, 04:30 PM
I tap counter clock wise with my right hand, "pulsing" creatures towards the opponent when I attack with them.

this

Media314r8
01-31-2008, 05:07 PM
In legacy, I tap all permanents 90 to the right. In limted/T2/terrible formats where the games goes to turn 10+ I tap my creatures and other non-land permanents 90 to the right, but my lands I turn 45 to the right, and stack neatly to eliminate questions like 'how many lands do you have free/in play,' I also usually arrange them in 3-5 mana clumps to cast my spells, or arrange untapped lands in clumps of mana equal to the trick I may or may not be bluffing, ect. Ex: keeping R separate to the side in LLMt as to indicate that I had the R instant that gives a guy +1/+0 and first strike, ect. Jedi mind-tricks FTW.

On an unrelated but humorous note, I sat next to someone at an extended PTQ that totally jedi mind-tricked his opponent into sideboarding 3 dead cards. The guy's playing game three against ichorid, and after both players shuffle, and my neighbor has his deck cut, (before his opponent playing dregde presented his deck) he says "oh, and I have effects before your turn." The dredge player quickly goes into his board and inserts 3 (simplify/ray of revelation) and boards out three cards. (probably sage/wraiths/thugs) After his opponent presented his (now 57 usuable card) deck, he waits on my neighbor, and says "...well... you had effects?" My opponent says "..oh, yeah! I wanted to wish you good luck." (smirks) Funniest damn thing I saw at the PTQ. (my neighbor won that last game 3, perhaps it wasn't relevant, but I'm going to have to try that sometime)

Bovinious
01-31-2008, 05:46 PM
Well, I do it because technically you pay costs after you declare the spell. But I suppose doing it because it makes it seem free for a second is a good reason too :tongue:.

I usually only do it in upper level tournaments, though. In my local weekly, it rarely matters, but at Columbus I always announced, then paid.

Well yeah, but most people put the mana in their pool before announcing. Casting things that way sometimes makes we think you can still cast stuff off LED, damn WOTC and their power level errata :frown:

atv
01-31-2008, 06:50 PM
90º clockwise. Isn't that the way it's meant to be done? I never really questioned this, it just came naturally when I started to play MTG.

If my opponent sloppily taps his lands/other permanents only like ~45º, I ask them to do it properly to avoid confusion.

Tosh
01-31-2008, 07:34 PM
I bend the shit out of the top right hand corners of my cards while tapping 90º clockwise. I pick them up, then set them down sideways instead of actually spinning them.

Also, I line up my land in diagonal stacks of ~3 sorted by the color they produce (eg. Plains | Tundra | Island). Tapped lands go beneath the untapped lands and stack up so the names are all right below the card underneath it.

Pinder
01-31-2008, 09:22 PM
I bend the shit out of the top right hand corners of my cards while tapping 90º clockwise. I pick them up, then set them down sideways instead of actually spinning them.

Also, I line up my land in diagonal stacks of ~3 sorted by the color they produce (eg. Plains | Tundra | Island). Tapped lands go beneath the untapped lands and stack up so the names are all right below the card underneath it.

I only grab the upper right if I'm tapping multiple lands at once, in which case I put them in a pile, grab the upper right corner and straighten my wrist to tap all of them.

TeenieBopper
01-31-2008, 09:39 PM
Whenever I attack with a bunch of goblins, I just pick them up and throw them all at my opponent screaming, "you're dead, bitch!"

calosso
01-31-2008, 09:41 PM
Whenever I attack with a bunch of goblins, I just pick them up and throw them all at my opponent screaming, "you're dead, bitch!"

That didn't happen when we played.

Afro
01-31-2008, 09:46 PM
That didn't happen when we played.

He obviously likes you...

TeenieBopper
01-31-2008, 09:53 PM
That didn't happen when we played.

'cause I swung with Tarmagoyfs then you Pyroclasm'ed my team away and won.

Michael Keller
01-31-2008, 10:17 PM
My friends and I used to get a kick out of watching Al Bidell completely turning his cards into an upright 90 degree angle.

By the way, I can't fucking stand it when someone just shrugs off your shit with a "sure". That pisses me off. He did that to me one time and I attacked him with a 24/25 Atog. As he scooped, I then said, "...are you sure?"

Pinder
01-31-2008, 11:11 PM
'cause I swung with Tarmagoyfs then you Pyroclasm'ed my team away and won.

And Tarmogoyfs are much to valuable to throw at someone like calosso.

Bardo
01-31-2008, 11:24 PM
I like to tap it doggy-style.

Wallace
01-31-2008, 11:30 PM
I like to tap it doggy-style.

Nice...you win sir...thread over...