[Tournament] 2/10 Boston (Somerville), MA

[Lego]

ANNOUNCING!! Legacy at Your Move Games in Boston (Somerville) MA!
- Date: Sunday, February 10th
- Start Time: 1pm (the store opens at noon, the tournament will start at 1PM)
- Type: Legacy (1.5) - This event will be DCI Sanctioned
- Cost: $5
- Location: Your Move Games (http://somerville.yourmovegames.com/index.html), 389 Highland Avenue, Somerville, MA, 02144

The tournament will be Swiss, with a cut to Top 4 if needed (based upon the number of participants.) Prizes will be store credit, and based upon the number of participants (store credit equal to total entry fees).

If there is enough interest in this first attempt, we will run more regular Legacy tournaments in Boston. Help us get a scene started here!

If you have any questions, PM me or e-mail Evn [dot] Tomeny [at] Gmail [dot] com. I hope to see you there!

[VsTheWorld]

Well you know I'll obviously be there. I don't think anyone I draft with is coming, because the group had a big casual event planned for Sunday. O well. Hopefully they'll come sometime in the future.

[Jaynel]

Awesome. Let's get some regular Legacy action going in Boston.

[KillemallCFH]

I'm down.

[Cavius The Great]

This is what I've been waiting for for over six years. I'll be there no questions asked.

[from Cairo]

Awesome.

[Wallace]

Man why would anybody play legacy on the east coast? :wink: If the turn outs ar good enough for this event I may make the trip from the Cuse sometime...

[Jaynel]

I'm pretty sure anywhere in New York is closer to you than Boston. We would love to have you, but save your gas money :)

[insertnamehere]

hmmm, guess Necro will have to keep an eye on this one.

[Cavius The Great]

You guys got to attend. YMG is in the process of stimulating the economy of Legacy events in the Boston area. If you guys don't show, it's more than likely that they'll stop doing Legacy tourneys. We really need your guy's support and attendance.

[insertnamehere]

You guys got to attend. YMG is in the process of stimulating the economy of Legacy events in the Boston area. If you guys don't show, it's more than likely that they'll stop doing Legacy tourneys. We really need your guy's support and attendance.

Coming from you, I will take this into high consideration. As long as Lego posts reports I will watch this closely and report to everyone else.

[RoddyVR]

This is the store right next to Davis Square T stop on the red line, right?

I walk by it every time i go to visit my sister. I'll tell my brother in law about this, he might be interested in a legacy tourny so close to his house. If this starts up regularly I'll try to join in any weekend i'm visiting them and so missing the worcester weekly anyway.

[Lego]

You guys got to attend. YMG is in the process of stimulating the economy of Legacy events in the Boston area. If you guys don't show, it's more than likely that they'll stop doing Legacy tourneys. We really need your guy's support and attendance.

It wasn't YMG initiative that made this happen, they're just nice enough to allow us to use their space. If it didn't happen there, we'd make it happen somewhere else. There are simply too many Magic players in Boston for there not to be some sort of regular Legacy scene.


This is the store right next to Davis Square T stop on the red line, right?

That's the one. Very easily accessible, good store, nice people. The store's not huge, but it's good for a nice weekly event.

[Cavius The Great]

Coming from you, I will take this into high consideration. As long as Lego posts reports I will watch this closely and report to everyone else.

We would love to have the Necro team be there, Bill. You're cordially welcomed if you do decide to show up. The people that run the store are also awesome. A great atmosphere with friendly people. You can't beat that. :wink:

[ForceofWill]

can anyone give me a ride to this?

[Dilettante]

This is the store right next to Davis Square T stop on the red line, right?

I walk by it every time i go to visit my sister. I'll tell my brother in law about this, he might be interested in a legacy tourny so close to his house. If this starts up regularly I'll try to join in any weekend i'm visiting them and so missing the worcester weekly anyway.

To go on foot, you go to the Porter Square T station. To orient yourself out of the station, turn toward the Qdoba and walk along that side of the street... and turn right when you hit a church. Mapquest shows the store here:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&country=US&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&addtohistory=&cat=&address=389+highland+avenue&city=somerville&state=ma&zipcode=

YMG is at the 'right' end of a low building anchored at the far end by a pharmacy.

Can't make it this week... I'm getting a faceful of Chinese New Year...

[Cavius The Great]

To go on foot, you go to the Porter Square T station. To orient yourself out of the station, turn toward the Qdoba and walk along that side of the street... and turn right when you hit a church. Mapquest shows the store here:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&country=US&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&addtohistory=&cat=&address=389+highland+avenue&city=somerville&state=ma&zipcode=

YMG is at the 'right' end of a low building anchored at the far end by a pharmacy.

Can't make it this week... I'm getting a faceful of Chinese New Year...

I thought Davis Square was the closest T stop to the store. I think RoddyVR got it right the first time.

[Lego]

To go on foot, you go to the Porter Square T station.

Actually, Roddy and Cavius are correct. The closest stop to the store is the Davis Square stop (just one stop further outbound on the Red Line from Porter. It's literally 2 minutes from the Davis Square stop to the store.)

From the Davis Square T-stop, just spin around a bunch until you figure out which street Highland Ave is, and walk down that until you see the store on your left (just past the pharmacy.) I can't really describe how to get from Davis Square to Highland Ave, because I can't remember which entrance to the T is inbound and which is outbound, but suffice it to say that it's one of the streets that exits the square (actually, it's one way INTO the square, but if you're walking that's irrelevant,) so it shouldn't be very difficult.

[RoddyVR]

As you walk through the turnstiles above the platform at Davis Square T, turn left.
Go up the escalators/stairs.
At the top of the escalators (iirc you have to take 2 up to get to the doors) turn left again (that newsstand that is inside the station should have been on your right).
You will walk out the door leading to little street that is realy just a bus stop (regular trafic cant go on that little street).

When you exit the doors , you want to walk around the building that is right in front of your face, walk around it counterclockwise (ie turn slightly right and walk forward). Once you're on the other side of that building, you are on Highland Avenue. Follow that like 2 blocks or something (as Lego said, past the pharmacy).

[Cavius The Great]

@Evn - Any idea what the prizes for Top4 are going to look like? That might give people incentive to show up if the prizes are decent enough.

[VsTheWorld]

The prizes are just store credit dependent on how many people show up. Total prize pool equals the total entry fees collected.

[Cavius The Great]

The prizes are just store credit dependent on how many people show up. Total prize pool equals the total entry fees collected.

I'm down for that. :wink: That seems decent enough, they have alot of good stuff there that you can use your store credit on.

[KillemallCFH]

Damn, I don't think I'm going to be able to go. Hopefully you still get a good turn out.

[kabal]

Any news?

[Jaynel]

Nothing yet, as it's tomorrow morning. It looks like we'll definitely have 8 players by early counts, but probably closer to 15.

[FoolofaTook]

If the weather is ok to drive in I'll be there. Can't miss a Boston Legacy tournament and then complain about the lack of decent-sized Legacy events on the east coast. :smile:

I'm hoping we get 32+. That'd be a nice first event at the venue and might encourage them to look for more events.

[Cavius The Great]

I hope to see you guys there. You'll know who I am when you see me, I'll be wearing a black fitted cap that says "Cavius" in lime green. :wink:

[FoolofaTook]

Unfortunately the weather is mitigating against me making this. It's a 2 hour drive for me and it's pouring here in New London and we're supposed to have rain all day on the route up to Boston. This afternoon temperatures are going to drop and so the road will get worse.

Apologies, I'd really like to have made it and I'll definitely be there in better weather than this.

[Cavius The Great]

Unfortunately the weather is mitigating against me making this. It's a 2 hour drive for me and it's pouring here in New London and we're supposed to have rain all day on the route up to Boston. This afternoon temperatures are going to drop and so the road will get worse.

Apologies, I'd really like to have made it and I'll definitely be there in better weather than this.

I'm in Boston right now and it's not raining.

[FoolofaTook]

I'm in Boston right now and it's not raining.

Not sure if the weather report was off or not. It stopped raining here at about noon. Weather still says rain until 2pm though and then colder with showers tonight.

[insertnamehere]

How did the tournament end up?

[VsTheWorld]

14 players showed, 4 rounds of swiss, cut to top 4 of:

1. RG Aggro Loam (from Cairo)
2. Survival Thresh (Damien, unregged?)
3. Dragon Stompy (sorry I forget the name)
4. Type 2 U/B Faeries (Roland Cheng, unregged)

Thresh beats Faeries, Loam beats Stompy, top 2 split. Other decks in attendance were Faerie Stompy (me), Cephalid Breakfast (Lego), Enchantress Bloom (Cavius), Survival (Jaynel), Salvagers Game, Extended Gifts Rock, Trinket Angel Stompy (tivadar), Type 2 G/b elves, and some R/G beats thing with Nova Chaser and Lightning Bolt. If anyone remembers what the 14th deck was that would be great.

I don't know what it was, but the day overall was just sloppy. Sloppy play (Lego: Force your Meddling Mage, lose 1 life and die) and sloppy procedure, with people being taken aside by the judge every single round. All in all it was fun though and I would call 14 people a successful turnout.

[from Cairo]

~14 people

Top 4 was:
Countertop Thresh
Dragon Stompy
Agroloam
U/B Fairies

[insertnamehere]

That looks good enough for me. I will be there as soon as I can get a Sunday off, but not every sunday.

[from Cairo]

If anyone remembers what the 14th deck was that would be great.

Storm Combo

[J.V.]

4. Type 2 U/B Faeries (Roland Cheng, unregged)

This (http://www.wizards.com/magic/images/tournamentcenter/2006/legacychamp/top8_chang.jpg) Roland Chang?

[never easty]

Damian here. Split in finals. No, it wasn't that Roland Chang. We all thought the same thing at first. He did steamroll the swiss like that Chang though.

My list was actually survival-thresh... with countertop. Anuesian started a thread on it and it was basically copped from that. I will post list board and comments on it tomorrow.

[J.V.]

Damian here. Split in finals. No, it wasn't that Roland Chang. We all thought the same thing at first. He did steamroll the swiss like that Chang though.

My list was actually survival-thresh... with countertop. Anuesian started a thread on it and it was basically copped from that. I will post list board and comments on it tomorrow.

Oh well, he is from New York afterall... anyways congrats on the finish. I thought the Survival_Thresh had potential way to prove that :cool:

**Note** Chang DIDN'T Steam roll swiss he was 7th Overall at end of swiss. :tongue:

[Lego]

The play of the day was going to go to me:

"Force of Will, pitching Brainstorm. Oh, I'm at 1 life?"

But then Damian discarded Wonder to Oona's Prowler to give Tarmogoyf flying so he could block. He gets play o' the day.

I was planning on running this again in a couple of weeks, but apparently people were too pissed at Eric's judging to want to show up again. So I guess this was the one and only.

[VsTheWorld]

As disappointing as that is to hear, you have to admit he really was a hardass about everything yesterday. I know it was sanctioned and all, but in all the larger tournaments I've been to, I've never seen judging like that. By the end of the day I was half expecting to get called for marked cards because my sleeves were slightly worn or something.

[insertnamehere]

Sucks to hear that.

[tivadar]

Ehh, I think he was being overly strict about things, yes, but he also didn't kick anyone out of the tourney. As for people being bitter, I still think people would do it if it was a monthly deal, or even every couple of weeks. I may not have liked his judging, but I'll be willing to come back. I actually let a guy slide who didn't give me a chance to respond to his fetch with my stifle before searching just so I didn't have to call a judge. Are people actually going to not come back because he gave a few people warnings?

Ohh, and for me, it was scrubbing out for the win! By this I mean my "door prize" was a foil FNM tormod's crypt. Go me!

[VsTheWorld]

Ehh, I think he was being overly strict about things, yes, but he also didn't kick anyone out of the tourney.

Actually, he did hand out a DQ in round 1....

That being said, I still implore people to come back. Please. Even one small tournament here a month is better than none.

[Cavius The Great]

~14 people

Top 4 was:
Countertop Thresh
Dragon Stompy
Agroloam
U/B Fairies

Funny thing is, the U/B Faerie deck was literally a Type 2 deck. No FoWs, duals, fetches, nothing. Gratz on him doing so well.

[FoolofaTook]

Actually, he did hand out a DQ in round 1....

That being said, I still implore people to come back. Please. Even one small tournament here a month is better than none.

What was the DQ for?

If this goes monthly I'll be there when the weather's good enough to support 4 hours at 75 mph.

BTW, tough judges are good for competition as long as they are fair judges.

[Jaynel]

That would be me, for not shuffling after a Survival activation. How very retarded. Because I'm definitely interested in cheating at a 14 person, Sunday afternoon event for store credit.

So much for a fun event. I'm definitely turned off by that judging.

[B.C.]

BTW, tough judges are good for competition as long as they are fair judges.

True, but there is a level of toughness that crosses into making players uncomfortable. I saw him give both players a warning when one of them put a card into their graveyard instead of RFG with Planar Void on the table. It had no impact on the game at all, but if it would have happened again (very possible) it could have been a game loss.

[LordEvilTeaCup]

Funny thing is, the U/B Faerie deck was literally a Type 2 deck. No FoWs, duals, fetches, nothing. Gratz on him doing so well.

I find this baffling. Can anyone explained how this played out? I mean its fucking type 2! Was it easy match-ups and poor play from his opponents? Maybe faeries should be given a whirl. This is just un-freakin' believable.

[Cavius The Great]

True, but there is a level of toughness that crosses into making players uncomfortable. I saw him give both players a warning when one of them put a card into their graveyard instead of RFG with Planar Void on the table. It had no impact on the game at all, but if it would have happened again (very possible) it could have been a game loss.

Yeah that was me that happened to. I was being super meticulous about every play (with sweat dripping down my face) for the rest of that game, after that happened.

He also gave me a warning after accidently drawing 7 cards instead of six after my first mulligan. He made me shuffle, redraw and mulligan to 5, which was fair (debatable), but a warning was unnecessary IMO.

[Lego]

He also gave me a warning after accidently drawing 7 cards instead of six after my first mulligan. He made me shuffle, redraw and mulligan to 5, which was fair (debatable), but a warning was unnecessary IMO.

I've tried to explain this to people, but people seem to not get it. [i]He doesn't have a choice.[i/] Unless you're advocating that he should be breaking the rules, he has to follow DCI Policy. When a rule is broken, first you figure out what happened (In this case, Card Drawing- Improper Drawing at Start of Game,) you apply the proper fix (in essence, force a mulligan,) and then you give the proper Penalty (Warning.) The judges only other choice is to blatantly break DCI Guidelines.

Now, you can argue that DCI Guidelines suck, but that doesn't seem to be what the argument is here. What you seem to be arguing is that the judge was too harsh. But in actuality, this call isn't even a gray area. It's texbook Improper Drawing at Start of Game. It's one of the examples in the DCI Guidelines.

As far as I saw, Eric didn't really have a single difficult ruling. The judge's job isn't to decide when a player deserves to be punished, or anything to that effect. The judge's job is to enforce the DCI Guidelines. You drew an extra card at the beginning of the game? Guidelines say you shuffle up and draw one less, and you get a Warning.

If anyone wants to talk about why the event was run at Competitive REL instead of Regular, that's a question I think should be asked. But don't get mad at the judge for doing exactly what he's supposed to do just because you're not used to going to tournaments where the rules are enforced.

EDIT: Also, a Warning is not a big deal, unless you plan on making the same mistake over and over again

[never easty]

I am definitely thinking along the same lines as Lego. The judging was definitely to a stricter level than I am used to but if that is REL 3 then that is REL 3. I got pulled into the side room for a ruling, he was deliberate and it got resolved. (screw you lego) If we don't want to do this at REL 3 then what is making us? It was a good event on the whole and would definitely come to these events and have others who would as well regardless of the enforcement level but definitely would be happy with it being a non sancitoned event.

[insertnamehere]

Lego and I may not fully see eye to eye on ALOT of things but this was the first tournament they ran. Cut them some slack, everyone makes mistakes, especially on their first tournament. Of course I was not there but I feel all of the bad press that is being given for mistakes you have made should not be blamed on the tournament organizer (Lego) and the Judge (Eric). If God wanted to make everybody perfect, Eli would have been sacked and the Patriots would have won the Super Bowl.

[from Cairo]

Yea I wouldn't put blame on Lego or Eric for rules enforcement. But for a very casual, Sunday afternoon, 14 person event I felt like people were being very meticulously judged. I have never been to an event where I have witnessed so many warnings issued, just throwing it out there.

Part of why there were so many warnings can be attributed to the size of the event and the fact that the judge was solely paying attention to the games. Alot of times they have other responsibilities, running the store front, or setting up a side event or something. Eric was available to pay full attention to each game and with only 7 pairings, 3 tables being used it's not hard to have an eye on each game as its taking place.

Part of it is also due to less strict/by the books judging at almost every event I've attended, including: Weekend Legacy events, FNMs, GPTs, PTQs, etc.

I think stricter judging encourages better play, so all in all its hard to say this is a bad thing, but I think it caught most by surprise, myself included.


Personally, I would like to see this as a monthly event- with Lego working it around Hadley and Wareham, opening MA up to 3 weekend events a month. With this in mind, and banking on a larger turn out, I would also like to see the prize structure take the shape of those events too. Personally, its hard for me to justify put aside a day a week for a small event, a trip into the city, gas, food, entry, etc, when the 1st/2nd split is ~$25 store cred at an overpriced store. I think for most Legacy players it's not a matter of the entry fee being $5, $10 or $15 that is necessarily an issue for prize support, its a matter of setting aside time and money to get to the event and having prize support worthy of that. With structure similar to Hadley/Wareham I feel like this event could secure itself in peoples' monthly Legacy schedules.

[Lego]

I want to start by saying I totally understand where you guys are coming from. I know that you were surprised with the judging, and I sympathize with that. I'm sorry that it made the experience worse for you, but I do think that if you understand the philosophy behind it, and expect proper judging, it doesn't have to ruin the experience the way it seems to have.


The judging was definitely to a stricter level than I am used to but if that is REL 3 then that is REL 3.

Just as an aside, they don't use numbers for REL anymore. It's only Regular/Competitive/Professional now.


I got pulled into the side room for a ruling, he was deliberate and it got resolved. (screw you lego)

Heyyyyy... no hard feelings here :tongue: I fully expected him to make the exact ruling that he made. That doesn't change the fact that I have to call him over though.


If we don't want to do this at REL 3 then what is making us?

That's either up to the judge who's judging it, or the TO who gets it sanctioned, I'm not sure which. I'll ask Eric why he decided to run it at Competitive. That said, running it at REL Regular wouldn't have changed much. The fact that something is run at Regular REL doesn't mean that judges are allowed to let things slide, it simply means that the penalties for things are lower. Cavius' Improper Drawing at Start of Game, for instance, would have been a Caution instead of a Warning, but he would still have drawn to 5. Where it makes a big difference is in the Warning/Game Loss department, and none of that happened on Sunday.

I want to reiterate that Warnings are not a big deal at all. It's common for half a dozen Warnings to be given out at a small FNM (in fact, at FNM they're often more common, simply because players don't know the rules very well.) If a judge comes over to answer a call about a rules question, and gives a Warning for Game Rule Violation, the purpose of that penalty is simply to let you know that you did something wrong, and to track the offense. Getting a Warning at a tournament like yesterday, for all intents and purposes, means absolutely nothing as far as any sort of "permanent record" is concerned. Now, if you consistently drew an extra card at the start of the game, to the tune of once or twice every single tournament you went to, that would become a problem. And that's why the DCI tracks warnings. But really, just play well, pay attention, and you won't have any problems. Heck, I got two warnings on Sunday myself (Slow Play and GRV).

I know that people were surprised about the level of judging at the tournament, and I think I get why. But in actuality, it's not that big a deal. Yes, it royally sucked that Jaynel got DQed, but other than that, nothing bad really happened. Some Warnings were handed out that don't usually get handed out at Legacy tournaments. That doesn't mean they shouldn't get handed out at Legacy tournaments, it just means that we, as Legacy players, are not used to it. I actually think it makes us better players.

All that said, if anyone wants to talk about the tournament with me, or the judging that took place, I'm happy to do that.

And about future tournaments, if the support is still there from players, I'd love to keep running them. In the future I'll probably judge them myself, rather than play in them. So post here or shoot me a PM if you want these things to keep happening, and I'll keep making it happen. fromCairo had the right idea: plan them around Wareham/Hadley. They would have to keep being on Sunday though, at least for now.

EDIT: Even with all the hoopla about judging, I had an awesome time at this tournament. I really enjoyed it, I thought the metagame was actually kind of fun, and I thought a lot of people had a pretty good time.

[insertnamehere]

Team Necro always supports Legacy Tournaments in MA. Don't Give up on these.

[B.C.]

The judging was not nearly bad enough to discourage me from going to future events. I hope these continue to happen. I would really like to see a larger entry fee/larger payout tournament, though.

[Lego]

I would really like to see a larger entry fee/larger payout tournament, though.

There's nothing stopping us from doing that, except the question of whether people will show up. We got at least 4 people on Sunday who very likely would not have shown up for a $10 entry fee. So if we can guarantee the same number of people, I'll run it for whatever entry fee people want to pay. The prize will always scale based on entry fee.

Right now the prize is store credit, and it was split between the Top 4, but we can make it more top-heavy if people would prefer, or increase the entry fee and thereby give out more store credit, or replace the store credit with card prizes and offer store credit to trade them in, or any combination of the above.

It looks like 3/16 is the next best time to run this. Is that correct? Am I missing something else it would conflict with on that day? If I plan another one of these for March 16th, are there people who would show up, and if so, what would you like the entry fee/prize payout to look like?

[VsTheWorld]

I'd definitely be there with my brother on March 16th. I know I'd prefer a $10 entry with better prizes, but as you said, the higher fee discourages the newer and younger players from showing up. Still, store credit at an overpriced store isn't a very attractive prize. I'm certainly not expecting absurd prize payouts like Hadley, but something like $10 entry with a couple Goyfs or duals for first prize would likely make people travel to come. Western Mass would probably come for that, as would the Wareham people, so a prize payout based on $10 entry and 20 people seems reasonable.

[tivadar]

I've tried to explain this to people, but people seem to not get it. [i]He doesn't have a choice.[i/] Unless you're advocating that he should be breaking the rules, he has to follow DCI Policy. When a rule is broken, first you figure out what happened (In this case, Card Drawing- Improper Drawing at Start of Game,) you apply the proper fix (in essence, force a mulligan,) and then you give the proper Penalty (Warning.) The judges only other choice is to blatantly break DCI Guidelines.

Umm, this is not entirely true. Or at least, I don't believe it is. Granted, with the extra draw of a card, there's nothing he can do but give an official warning and force you to mull to 5. The game state was affected.

However, with the graveyard thing, he could have simply told Carlos to put the card to his RFG instead. He was there when it happened, and rather than telling him the correct play and leaving it at that, he chose to give him a warning. It's a triggered effect, it DOES go to the graveyard then get RFGed, and it didn't affect the game state at all to simply have him remove it and give him a VERBAL warning.

I thought he was being overly strict. Heck, had he been at my table during my games against rock, my opponent would have had two warnings (not giving opponent priority and not keeping track of game state) and me one (failing to note a trigger on a card I played).

My opponent started to look at his library after a fetch when I had a stifle and I even tried to tell him immediately. It was a $5 tourney though, so I let it slide. I also forgot to sac a city of traitors after playing a land (I hadn't used it afterwards however) and my opponent just let me put it in my graveyard. What goes around comes around. Especially in smaller tourneys, if you're called to the table, you have to make a call. If it's something that doesn't affect the game, however, I don't see a big need to intercede, or at least if you do, do so before you have to give a warning.

[tivadar]

Just to note, I will come back for another tournament. I enjoyed it, and I don't think the judge was out to get anyone, he actually seemed rather nice, just a bit stricter than I'm used to for a tourney that size.

I actually prefer keeping it at $5. I doubt giving out actual prizes will affect the payout. The prizes will be overvalued in the same manner...

[Cavius The Great]

There's nothing stopping us from doing that, except the question of whether people will show up. We got at least 4 people on Sunday who very likely would not have shown up for a $10 entry fee. So if we can guarantee the same number of people, I'll run it for whatever entry fee people want to pay. The prize will always scale based on entry fee.

Right now the prize is store credit, and it was split between the Top 4, but we can make it more top-heavy if people would prefer, or increase the entry fee and thereby give out more store credit, or replace the store credit with card prizes and offer store credit to trade them in, or any combination of the above.

It looks like 3/16 is the next best time to run this. Is that correct? Am I missing something else it would conflict with on that day? If I plan another one of these for March 16th, are there people who would show up, and if so, what would you like the entry fee/prize payout to look like?


I should definitely be able to make it on March 16th. I should have a new deck built by then to toy around with. :wink: And for the record, I have nothing against the judge, I'll just play like a systematic robot next time I show up.

[marit]

There's nothing stopping us from doing that, except the question of whether people will show up. We got at least 4 people on Sunday who very likely would not have shown up for a $10 entry fee. So if we can guarantee the same number of people, I'll run it for whatever entry fee people want to pay. The prize will always scale based on entry fee.

Right now the prize is store credit, and it was split between the Top 4, but we can make it more top-heavy if people would prefer, or increase the entry fee and thereby give out more store credit, or replace the store credit with card prizes and offer store credit to trade them in, or any combination of the above.

It looks like 3/16 is the next best time to run this. Is that correct? Am I missing something else it would conflict with on that day? If I plan another one of these for March 16th, are there people who would show up, and if so, what would you like the entry fee/prize payout to look like?
3/16 is GP Philly. I don't know what it would do to your numbers, but it's something to think about.

[Cavius The Great]

3/16 is GP Philly. I don't know what it would do to your numbers, but it's something to think about.

Is GP Philly Legacy? I'm sorry I don't know anything...

[marit]

Is GP Philly Legacy? I'm sorry I don't know anything...

It's extended, but it's still a Grand Prix close enough to Boston.

[Cavius The Great]

It's extended, but it's still a Grand Prix close enough to Boston.

I'm not too worried about it, we should get a good turnout. Extended sucks...

[Lego]

However, with the graveyard thing, he could have simply told Carlos to put the card to his RFG instead. He was there when it happened, and rather than telling him the correct play and leaving it at that, he chose to give him a warning. It's a triggered effect, it DOES go to the graveyard then get RFGed, and it didn't affect the game state at all to simply have him remove it and give him a VERBAL warning.

I thought he was being overly strict. Heck, had he been at my table during my games against rock, my opponent would have had two warnings (not giving opponent priority and not keeping track of game state) and me one (failing to note a trigger on a card I played).

This is exactly what I was talking about where players misunderstand. Yes, he COULD have just given Cavius a verbal Caution for missing the trigger, and asked him to not miss it in the future. But then he would have been breaking DCI Policy. Nowhere in the Penalty Guidelines does it support such a call. And were he to step in before a mistake was made, he would be coaching, which is DEFINITELY not kosher. The very point that I was trying to make was that he doesn't have a choice. There are many things that judges have to make calls on, whether something was intentional or not, whether a player is lying to you or not, etc. But whether or not to give a penalty for an infraction is not a choice that a judge gets to make. If the judge sees a rule broken, they follow the penalty guidelines.


GP Philly: I forgot about this, so I'll have to figure out if that Sunday is still a good time to run it.

Prize support: Any tournaments that are run by YMG are run as prize = total entry fees. So I'm happy to put together a list of what payouts could be like, and then make sure we have Goyfs/Duals in store, but it won't change the actual payout. What I'm saying is that the store won't guarantee prizes and then take a hit if people don't show up. I'm happy to advertise something such as a $10 entry fee, and say that if 14 people show up, top prize is two Goyfs, second prize is two Flooded Strands, third and fourth get a Wooded Foothills. But if only 8 people show up, the prize will have to change.

If people are cool with that, I'll talk to Rob and see what kind of prizes we can work out, and then we'll just have to pick a day that works for everyone. Just let me know :)

[insertnamehere]

I will be there along with some members of Team Necro. The tournament must go on.

[from Cairo]

I'm happy to advertise something such as a $10 entry fee, and say that if 14 people show up, top prize is two Goyfs, second prize is two Flooded Strands, third and fourth get a Wooded Foothills. But if only 8 people show up, the prize will have to change.

I would definitely prefer this ^^, especially if the event is monthly.

If it were weekly I could see the logic in just holding store cred over week to week and say you placed 1st then 4th over the coarse of a few weeks then you'd have enough store credit to get something worthwhile, but if its monthly it seems really spaced out between events and the likelihood of accumulating enough store credit to buy something worthwhile seems less.

[ForceofWill]

I"m pretty glad I choose to sleep rather than go to this with what I"ve been hearing. About the DQ just curious what was it for under the penalty guidelines (I know it was for not shuffling after survival).

[never easty]

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Originally Posted by never easty
The judging was definitely to a stricter level than I am used to but if that is REL 3 then that is REL 3.

Just as an aside, they don't use numbers for REL anymore. It's only Regular/Competitive/Professional now.

I see.

For people travelling from out of Boston 10+ certainly makes a lot more sense. 5 was good to start things off but I am fine with a step up. I thought the people and the tournament were great and I hope it grows. I'm in whenever I am in town.

BTW, thanks for getting these going Lego. I understand what a challenge herding people is.

[FoolofaTook]

One quick note: an earlier start than 1pm would be better for people making long drives to get there. I was worried about icy roads after dark coming home and that was one of the reasons I passed this time.

Figure a 1pm start for 32 players and you're looking at getting back in the car at about 7pm at the earliest if you're in the final 4. Maybe even later depending on how the rounds actually go.

[Cavius The Great]

One quick note: an earlier start than 1pm would be better for people making long drives to get there. I was worried about icy roads after dark coming home and that was one of the reasons I passed this time.

Figure a 1pm start for 32 players and you're looking at getting back in the car at about 7pm at the earliest if you're in the final 4. Maybe even later depending on how the rounds actually go.

The store opens at 12pm, so that request might be a bit iffy.

[Lego]

About the DQ just curious what was it for under the penalty guidelines (I know it was for not shuffling after survival).

Jaynel will have to answer that himself. I can't actually comment about DQs :frown town:


One quick note: an earlier start than 1pm would be better for people making long drives to get there. I was worried about icy roads after dark coming home and that was one of the reasons I passed this time.

This isn't really an option because the store opens at noon. Unless we find a better place to host it, the tournament is going to have to be Sundays at 1pm for now.


BTW, thanks for getting these going Lego. I understand what a challenge herding people is.

Not a worry... it's always worth it when people have fun.

So I've gotten a couple responses about 3/16, but not really anything definite. Right now if I ran it on 3/16, I know I'd get at least 5 people. That's not very promising :tongue: Any thoughts on better dates? Basically only the 16th or the 23rd work for March. I could also do February 24th, if nothing else is happening that date. I need some feedback though.

[Jaynel]

The judge ruled that it was Cheating - Manipulation of Game Materials.

[Cavius The Great]

The 23rd of March would definitely be better for me if you decide not to run it on the 16th. If you ran it on February 24th I won't be able to make it. I also think it would be too soon to have another one anyways. I think we should let the buzz "marinate" a bit before holding another tournament, as well.

[FoolofaTook]

The judge ruled that it was Cheating - Manipulation of Game Materials.

How did the shuffle actually go? There's a big difference between casually riffling the deck a few times and putting it back and just taking the card out and putting the deck back unshuffled at all.

There's a very fine line the judge has to walk here because otherwise he creates an environment in which people can build decks to stall with. Survival is a perfect example of a situation in which somebody could meticulously shuffle the deck every time they grab a critter and slow things down to a crawl.

[ForceofWill]

I would completely understand a gameloss there but a DQ just seems way to harsh when I'm almost positive it was a complete accident.

[Jaynel]

It was more like plunking down my library after looking through it and dropping the Tarmogoyf I just fetched out, then completely forgetting to shuffle. There was zero intention of cheating on my part. I mean, I was playing against preconstructed Elves and I had an active Sharpshooter on the table. It was sloppy on my part, but the judge has to enforce the DCI penalty guidelines.

I'm kinda over it by now though. I was disappointed that I wasn't able to play (after getting up early on a Sunday morning because I wanted to support a new venue), but I'm just not used to the rules being enforced like this. I need to just play tighter in the future.

[never easty]

Out of town 2/24, 3/16 and 3/30 for what it is worth. If we are caring about individuals for the scheduling of the next one, and you know, it's good to be loved, isn't there some voting functionality on these boards?

On an unrelated note is there some level of privilege I need to obtain to get an avatar or would it be some level of computer literacy?

Glad you are over the DQ Jaynel. It would have been fun to play the survival mirror in the T2. Next time.

[Lego]

Out of town 2/24, 3/16 and 3/30 for what it is worth. If we are caring about individuals for the scheduling of the next one, and you know, it's good to be loved, isn't there some voting functionality on these boards?

I tend to assume that people are against voting in general, but I can put up a poll.


On an unrelated note is there some level of privilege I need to obtain to get an avatar or would it be some level of computer literacy?

It's the second one. While this is PM material, I'll post it here since I'm responding anyway: Click on User CP, then "Edit Avatar" under Settings & Options.

[Cavius The Great]

I'm down for late March. I think February is way too soon.