Genju of the spires + others

[Shtriga]

Looking for some clarification on the card genju of the spires, and it's interaction with other cards

- engineered plague:

in the thread about humility and the way it works, it is said that an activated manland would circumvent humility's 1/1 clause. does the same apply with plague? i.e, if I set a plague on spirits, and my opponent activates his genju next turn, does it stay a 6/1 or become a 5/0 as soon as it's activated?


- nevynirral's disk:

my opponent activates genju, and I activate the disk in response. disk resolves, destroying both the land (now a creature), and genju. however, due to the 2nd clause in genju that says to return to hand if the land is put into a GY, does it go to the hand, despite having been destroyed as well?


- extirpate:

genju goes into the GY. can I respond to the triggered effect that returns it to the hand, with an extirpate, removing all the copies? I'm pretty sure I can, just need some confirmation to show my friend


thanks

[Sanguine Voyeur]

- engineered plague:

in the thread about humility and the way it works, it is said that an activated manland would circumvent humility's 1/1 clause. does the same apply with plague? i.e, if I set a plague on spirits, and my opponent activates his genju next turn, does it stay a 6/1 or become a 5/0 as soon as it's activated?It would be a 5/0 creature.
- nevynirral's disk:

my opponent activates genju, and I activate the disk in response. disk resolves, destroying both the land (now a creature), and genju. however, due to the 2nd clause in genju that says to return to hand if the land is put into a GY, does it go to the hand, despite having been destroyed as well?I think that, due to the wording, it would return. It specifically says "When enchanted [land] is put into a graveyard."
- extirpate:

genju goes into the GY. can I respond to the triggered effect that returns it to the hand, with an extirpate, removing all the copies? I'm pretty sure I can, just need some confirmation to show my friendYes, it hits the graveyard before returning.

[Nihil Credo]

- engineered plague:

in the thread about humility and the way it works, it is said that an activated manland would circumvent humility's 1/1 clause. does the same apply with plague? i.e, if I set a plague on spirits, and my opponent activates his genju next turn, does it stay a 6/1 or become a 5/0 as soon as it's activated?

Static effects (like those from Humility, Plague, Genju, Mishra's Factory) are applied in layer order, then in timestamp order within the same layer. Both Humility's effect and Genju's fall in the same layer (6b? I think so) since they set power and toughness to a specified value; therefore, they are applied in timestamp order, meaning that if you drop a Humility and then activate Genju, it will be a 6/1, while if you do the opposite it will be a 1/1.

Plague, since it modifies power and toughness, falls instead in the very last layer (6d?) and is always applied after both effects.


- nevynirral's disk:

my opponent activates genju, and I activate the disk in response. disk resolves, destroying both the land (now a creature), and genju. however, due to the 2nd clause in genju that says to return to hand if the land is put into a GY, does it go to the hand, despite having been destroyed as well?
Yes, for the same reason that Wrathing away a Disciple of the Vault along with an Arcbound Ravager causes you to lose life. Zone-change triggered abilities (such as "when THIS is put into a graveyard from play") are aware of things that happen at the same time as the leaving-play of the permanent they are on.

[quicksilver]

Looking for some clarification on the card genju of the spires, and it's interaction with other cards

- engineered plague:

in the thread about humility and the way it works, it is said that an activated manland would circumvent humility's 1/1 clause. does the same apply with plague? i.e, if I set a plague on spirits, and my opponent activates his genju next turn, does it stay a 6/1 or become a 5/0 as soon as it's activated?



Both humility and genju's ability are power/toughness setting effects and get applied in the same layer, thus using timestamps. So if you activate genju after humility hits play it overwrites the humility effect.

Engineered plague is not a power/toughness setting effect and is applied in a layer after power/toughness setting effects, therefore it will never be overridden by power/toughness setting effects.

So to answer your question it will become a 5/0 regardless of any order you play it in (without a humility out of course).




- nevynirral's disk:

my opponent activates genju, and I activate the disk in response. disk resolves, destroying both the land (now a creature), and genju. however, due to the 2nd clause in genju that says to return to hand if the land is put into a GY, does it go to the hand, despite having been destroyed as well?



Yes you get it back. Things going to the graveyard at the same time see everything else going to the graveyard along with it, so it would still trigger and you would get it back.



- extirpate:

genju goes into the GY. can I respond to the triggered effect that returns it to the hand, with an extirpate, removing all the copies? I'm pretty sure I can, just need some confirmation to show my friend


thanks


Yep, it is indeed a triggered ability and you can indeed respond to it.

[Lego]

- nevynirral's disk:

my opponent activates genju, and I activate the disk in response. disk resolves, destroying both the land (now a creature), and genju. however, due to the 2nd clause in genju that says to return to hand if the land is put into a GY, does it go to the hand, despite having been destroyed as well?

As written, you respond to the activation of the Genju by activating Disk. At this point, the land is not yet a creature. The Enchantment will die, then the land will no longer be enchanted, so it will not become a creature. This is much better than allowing the ability to resolve and then responding with Disk, which is what you seem to have implied that you did.

[Anusien]

- engineered plague:

in the thread about humility and the way it works, it is said that an activated manland would circumvent humility's 1/1 clause. does the same apply with plague? i.e, if I set a plague on spirits, and my opponent activates his genju next turn, does it stay a 6/1 or become a 5/0 as soon as it's activated?
5/0 as others have explained.


- nevynirral's disk:

my opponent activates genju, and I activate the disk in response. disk resolves, destroying both the land (now a creature), and genju. however, due to the 2nd clause in genju that says to return to hand if the land is put into a GY, does it go to the hand, despite having been destroyed as well?

As written, you respond to the activation of the Genju by activating Disk. At this point, the land is not yet a creature. The Enchantment will die, then the land will no longer be enchanted, so it will not become a creature. This is much better than allowing the ability to resolve and then responding with Disk, which is what you seem to have implied that you did.
Not quite. If you activate in response, Disk will resolve and the enchantment will be put into the graveyard (the land is not a creature yet!) The land will still become animated on resolution of the trigger.

If you wait until everything resolves and then activate Disk (which is not activating it in response), the enchantment will put returned to hand and the mountain will go to the graveyard.



- extirpate:

genju goes into the GY. can I respond to the triggered effect that returns it to the hand, with an extirpate, removing all the copies? I'm pretty sure I can, just need some confirmation to show my friend
Yes. It's a trigger and can be responded to.

[Maveric78f]

Not quite. If you activate in response, Disk will resolve and the enchantment will be put into the graveyard (the land is not a creature yet!) The land will still become animated on resolution of the trigger.
not a trigger but an activation


{2}: Enchanted Mountain becomes a 6/1 red Spirit creature until end of turn. It's still a land.
At resolution, there is no enchanted mountain, so the activation resolves but does nothing.

[Shtriga]

thanks everyone

[Lego]

Not quite. If you activate in response, Disk will resolve and the enchantment will be put into the graveyard (the land is not a creature yet!) The land will still become animated on resolution of the trigger.

You're right. I got confused with LKI, and similar situations involving equipment. In this case, the Mountain will become animated regardless of where the Enchantment is at the time.


At resolution, there is no enchanted mountain, so the activation resolves but does nothing.

I was actually wrong before. See above. The Mountain will be animated even if the Enchantment dies before the ability resolves.