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RoddyVR
04-21-2008, 04:22 PM
I've been thinking about how to make a combo out of Order of Whiteclay, and so far am completely disappointed with what i was sure could be made into a degenerate combo.

Best i've come up so far is a 5 card combo.

Order of WhiteClay
something that lets WhiteClay tap (a "T:ping" enchantment or Viridian Longbow work best)
Priest of Gix (or Cathodion) to get back the mana spent on whiteclay
Farrelite Priest to convert the mana to white.
And a sac outlet (ashnod's altar gives infi mana with the combo)

talk about disapointing.

But i did come up with an ok 3 card combo... all artifacts.

Pili-Pala 2 cost 1/1 flyer with "2, Q: add one mana of any color"
Heartstone 3 cost artifact with "activated abilities of creatures cost 1 less"
and again something to tap the creature with, to keep it colorless lets say:
Viridian Longbow 1 cost, 3 to equip that gives "T: deal 1 damage to creature or player"

The initial tap can be declaring the pili as an attacker, and then before they even declare blockers for an initial investment of 1 mana you can ping everything and everyone in sight to death. Even if they have infinite life.

Total mana cost of combo:
1 to play longbow
2 to play Pili-Pala
3 to play Heartstone
3 to equip Longbow
1 to for first untap of Pili-Pala

Assuming you have either blue or red in the deck, the longbow's 4 mana cost can be replaced with a 2 cost "enchanted creature has T:ping" aura.
With just a bit of mana acceleration (need 2 colorless mana turn 1 and 6 mana turn 2)

Turn 1: Ancient tomb/City of traitors for Pili-Pala
Turn 2: Mountain for Seething song into Heartstone and power of fire. and then you'd still need a 1 mana accelerant to get the first untap....
Ye its 7 cards on turn 2, which is basicaly a god draw, but it would be considerably easier to go off for turn 3,

1: tomb (or mountain an chrome mox) for pili-pala
2: mountain for heartstone
3: 2 of 3 mana you already have for power of fire, ping, untap with the third mana...

5 cards on turn 3... anyway that's the best i've got so far...
If anyone can make a better combo with the untap creatures, please post it, cause i'd realy like to make a casual combo deck out of them.

Humphrey
04-21-2008, 04:39 PM
Umbral Mantle
Equipped creature has "3, Q: This creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn." (Q is the untap symbol.) Equip 0


and Priest of Titania with another 2+ Elves

rufus
04-21-2008, 04:49 PM
Puresight Merrow + Paradise Mantle is possibly strong enough for competitive play and fits well with Stonybrook Schoolmaster and Leech Bonder on a lot of levels.

There's also a bunch of critters that can go boom in combination with umbral mantle. (Rofellos, Devoted Druid, Viridian Joiner, Krosan Restorer...)

Finn
04-22-2008, 02:43 PM
Kyren Negotiations - hell, I am not even sure if that is the name anymore - is a card I used to employ with Brassman well enough in casual. Puresight Merrow is quite a bit better than that. The problem is that it does not kill, merely creates a giant advantage. Just a thought.

They apparently did their research for the untap dudes.

dahcmai
04-22-2008, 06:13 PM
I assumed they would have considering Eater of the Dead / Time Vault being such a pain for so long. Those were some of the only untap effects for the longest time that could be repeated easily. R and D would have tested the crap out of things for a while to see if was going to hurt anything or make something rediculous.

vanele
04-22-2008, 06:30 PM
Heartstone + Paradise mantle + Knacksaw Clique, You may play your opponents deck ... until he draws a card.

Lego
04-23-2008, 12:08 AM
Heartstone + Paradise mantle + Knacksaw Clique, You may play your opponents deck ... until he draws a card.

It also has the nice side benefit of removing your opponent's library from the game. Or is that what you were going for? Seems worse than Painter/Grindstone.

gamara4
07-08-2008, 05:17 PM
a better combo is Utopia vow + Puresight merrow + judge of currents for infinite life.

pili pala/puresight merrow + presence of gond or power of fire/fire whip/arcane teachings= tokens and or damage equal to the mana you put into it to untap him

great combo= utopia vow + silkbind faerie = tap a creature for one mana as much as you want

leech bonder is rediculous already, but add in scarscale ritual...

has anyone seen the preview card from eventide Crackleburr?

He is a 2/2 which costs 2 of red or blue and 1 colorless, and for two mana of blue or red you can untap him to untap two other blue creatures you have and bounce one of their permenants.

he is rediculous. LOL with utopia vow, you get to bounce one card for ever MANA. GG:cool: .