It's official, Shadowmoor is the biggest combo set since Urza's Block!

[Clark Kant]

Did Wizards do this on purpose? I wonder why they would.

Seriously, I have never seen so many two card, potentially competitive combos all pop from one set...

Of the top of my head, there is...

Swasns of Aggryl + Chains of Plasma

Sun and Moon Wheel + Energy Field

Servant's + Grindstone

Umbral Mantle + Priest of Titania - I'm surprised no one is talking about this! A turn three two card combo that gives you infinite mana and turns all of your guys into 1 Million/1 Million attackers. A combo where both pieces happen to be perfectly functional in the decd by themslves. Elves may well make a comeback with this.

Beseech the Queen (the best tutor black has gotten in many many years).

Manamorphose - A perfect cantrip with literally no draw back that builds storm count, fixes mana problems and gives you an out against Blood Moon.

And all this weeks before the wizards officially release the set.

I expect more crazy hidden combos that eventually how up from this set.

[Cabal-kun]

Umbral Mantle + Priest of Titania - I'm surprised no one is talking about this! A turn three two card combo that gives you infinite mana and turns all of your guys into 1 Million/1 Million attackers. A combo where both pieces happen to be perfectly functional in the decd by themslves. Elves may well make a comeback with this.

Four card combo. You're forgetting you need two other elves in play. You need Priest to make three mana to break even, and this nets you an insanely large Priest only. Now, you just need a way to get through the blockers and all the other good stuff people play to disrupt you.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

None of those seem degenerate at all. Some may win the game, but they're no Academy.
Beseech the Queen (the best tutor black has gotten in many many years).Infernal Tutor.

[Jaynel]

You're forgetting that Urza's Block comboed with ITSELF. None of the ones you listed above are going to be Standard legal.

[C.P.]

You're making too much of a hassle.

While it does have some interesting card, I don't think it deserves all the balling you're doing. The 2 card combos are about the right power lever for the format, as all of them are disruptable with traditional combo hate, and requires decent amount of mana.


EDIT:

You're forgetting that Urza's Block comboed with ITSELF. None of the ones you listed above are going to be Standard legal.

QFT.

[Clark Kant]

Oops, I meant to post this over at Format Discussion.

Yes, Mirrodan and Urza's block had a whole different level of broken. I am not saying this set is broken, just that it is the most fruitful set to come out for combo players in years.


Four card combo. You're forgetting you need two other elves in play. You need Priest to make three mana to break even, and this nets you an insanely large Priest only. Now, you just need a way to get through the blockers and all the other good stuff people play to disrupt you.


It's going to be pretty hard for an elf deck to get by without getting two other elves on the table. And every elf that can be tapped to have some effect, any effect, can made massive once you get infinite man whiout ghoul.

[quicksilver]

I have an elf deck, that I think is pretty darn tuned for comboing, but it's still terrible just cause it's too vulnerable to disruption. I'm running two Umbral Mantle in it at the moment.

[rufus]

I like Viridan Joiner, Devoted Druid or Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary better for Umbral Mantle. (There are a decent number of critters that can tap for 3 or more mana. Devoted Druid gets 2 untaps off of its own ability, and one off the Mantle so it nets +1/+1 per cycle. Joiner will want to re-equip the Mantle to dump mana.) Regardless, it's probably a casual-level kind of thing since tap for mana creatures are generally too slow for the format otherwise.

[Clark Kant]

Another combo card I forgot to mention...

Demigod of Revenge.


I can't believe I forgot to mention Devoted Druid. It's a card on my to buy list (already have Roefflos). There are a lot of good elfs that combo off a win with Umbral. I don't think it's worth it to run janky ones like Viridan Joiner imo.

[capewestgames]

Yeah I thought about Demigod of Revenge in Legacy. 1st turn kill. (land, lotus petal, chrome mox, simian, dark ritual, demigod, plus R/B card rfg'd for mox). Yes, you have to have a perfect draw. I am guessing there are other ways as well, this is just on the fly and I don't want to think about it anymore.

[frogboy]

man you best watch out so you don't get hit by any falling sky.

[Bovinious]

Is this thread a joke? This set is one of the biggest flops Ive ever seen. None of these combos have any serious tournament potential (maybe casual or tier 3), and the 2 "chase" rares are only worth 12 and 15 dollars. Looks like we have another Legions/Kamigawa on our hands to me...unfortunate as it is :frown:

[thefreakaccident]

man you best watch out so you don't get hit by any falling sky.

Lawlz

[Jaiminho]

None of these combos are close to the best Legacy combo ever conceived:

Swamp, Ritual, Ritual, Ritual, Ritual, Phage, Greaves, attack!

[Clark Kant]

Yes, Mirrodan and Urza's block had a whole different level of broken. I am not saying this set is broken, just that it is the most fruitful set to come out for combo players in years.

Great reading comprehension skills guy, really. :rolleyes:

Where did I say that the set was broken, or that the sky is falling?

Where did I say that the set has a lot of chase rares (I'm happy it doesn't).

My point was that the set has a lot of different combos to offer for combo players. Not broken degenerate combos, just fun combos that could be semiviable given the right build. Previous sets usually had 0-1 combo cards that tend to be broken from the outset (storm, bridge). This set has a half a dozen combos that are actually fun. The kind of combo cards that appeal to Johnnies as opposed to Spikes who only care about winning.

This is something unusual for a set imo.

Even Vexing Shusher, the set's one chase rare, could be used by slower combo decks to protect themselves.

[Internet Hate Machine]

None of these combos are close to the best Legacy combo ever conceived:

Swamp, Ritual, Ritual, Ritual, Ritual, Phage, Greaves, attack!

Sadly I actually know someone who *claims* to have pulled that off once, except it was somehow with helm of Kaldra.

[from Cairo]

Is this thread a joke? This set is one of the biggest flops Ive ever seen. None of these combos have any serious tournament potential (maybe casual or tier 3), and the 2 "chase" rares are only worth 12 and 15 dollars. Looks like we have another Legions/Kamigawa on our hands to me...unfortunate as it is :frown:

Sad is the day I QFT Bovi... but... QFT.

This set is awful.

[Ebinsugewa]

This set is awful.

Finally all you guys get off the collective ballsack. Agreed.

[Clark Kant]

Not if you're Johnny that doesn't feel like buying a bunch of chase rares that every other deck needs four copies of, it's not.

Manamorphose alone makes this entire set worth it for me.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Where did I say that the set was broken, or that the sky is falling?

Where did I say that the set has a lot of chase rares (I'm happy it doesn't).By comparing it to Urza's block, these are implied. When a set is compared to Urza's, it's assumed that you're implying the set is too powerful and has sizable amount of playable cards.
My point was that the set has a lot of different combos to offer for combo players.Unless I'm mistaken, every block has 'combos' to offer players.

[emidln]

I'll go on record as saying this is a worse set for combo than Lorwyn. Ponder alone outclasses every card in Shadowmoor.

[xsockmonkeyx]

Futuresight, with Narcomoeba, Bridge from Below and Street Wraith, was a waaaay better combo set, and spawned Cephalid and Ichorid. And that was like 3 sets ago, so the title of this thread is in err and perhaps created without much forethought.

EDIT:

Yeah I thought about Demigod of Revenge in Legacy. 1st turn kill. (land, lotus petal, chrome mox, simian, dark ritual, demigod, plus R/B card rfg'd for mox). Yes, you have to have a perfect draw. I am guessing there are other ways as well, this is just on the fly and I don't want to think about it anymore.

How the hell does this win you the game?

[Bovinious]

Futuresight, with Narcomoeba, Bridge from Below and Street Wraith, was a waaaay better combo set, and spawned Cephalid and Ichorid. And that was like 3 sets ago, so the title of this thread is in err and perhaps created without much forethought.

Plus Future Sight had Tarmogoyf, which combos with itself and 1G to win the game :wink:

Seriously, this thread is blatant lies and fanboyery, can we get a lock-job?

[Bryant Cook]

um.... Vexing Shusher is the best combo card in the set.

[Aggro_zombies]

This set is awful for constructed.
Fix'd. It's actually pretty damn cool in Limited.

[Media314r8]

ZOMG! Two card combos!!!:

If you equip sylvan basilisk with lure, you effectively wrath all of your opponent's creatures at the cost of two cards, and you can swing in with the rest of your team!

If you equip arcane teaching to horseshoe crab, you can ping any creature or player for just :1: as many times as you have the mana!

If you control a merfolk looter and use his ability to discard Squee, goblin nabob, you can return Squee to your hand during your next upkeep. Merfolk looter might as well read: tap to draw a card!

With icy manipulator and royal assasin, you can kill any creature each turn for just :1: and tapping your assasin. This can even be done at instant speed!

OMG 10th is so busted guys! Wizards just broke the format! OMG T2 is going to be pure chaos!

/sarcasm. Actually, my sarcastic analogy doesn't even work, as all the listed two-card combos are self contained within the same set, and T2 legal. There have been, and will continue to be, a high number of two card combos in the eternal formats, it's just that only ones that involve blue and take up relatively few spots in a deck, or are tutorable, will ever, possibly have any impact on the format. /rant.

Thanks for your time. tldr; media makes a jackass of himself while trying to prove a point, now please everyone stop posting 'combo' decks with demigod, ect that kill later than turn 4!

[Bane of the Living]

I'll go on record as saying this is a worse set for combo than Lorwyn. Ponder alone outclasses every card in Shadowmoor.

Your all looking at the set with a Legacy biased opinion. For Standard this set is a house. We get 4 other lands like Graven Cairns. Now b/u doesnt need shitty River of Tears. Now g/r doesn't need their opponent to gain life using Burnwillows. We just got Reflecting Pool back! You can play anything you want right now!

Red just got a 4 damage instant for 3 mana and a 4/4 for :r::r::r:

Sligh also got a 3/3 haste and wither goblin for :r::r::r:

Most of the persist creatures are really cool. Kitchen Finks is an amazing life gain creature even for this format.

If your constantly disappointed with new sets maybe you should switch formats up alittle bit. Don't you ever get sick of playing with and against Force of Will? Being able to play 5 and 6cc cards opens up so much innovation to this game.

[Nightmare]

Don't you ever get sick of playing with and against Force of Will?Hmmm...

Nope.

This set is pretty tight, though.

[Media314r8]

I play, in order,

Limited
Legacy
Extended
Type 2 (only because there is nowhere in Youngstown to play any other format /vomit

The set is god-awful for sealed, and will probably be skill-intensive but still crappy for draft. (there's less removal and evasion than in 10th)

There are perhaps 3-10 playable cards for legacy, and 2-4 of those will see any significant amount of play.

The set is the god-damns for extended, as the black sygg and bob will be legal together.

The set will be heavily played in Type 2. No shit. There are at any given time 4 legal base sets in Type 2. (2 normal 3 block sets, 1 core set, and 1 bastard child* like coldsnap*) There are 5 right now because Wizards likes money. (CS*, TS, 10th, LOR, SHA*) Type 2 takes any and all payables from base sets because the card pool is so limited. /yawn.

[Tacosnape]

Shortened:

Shadowmoor is awful.

That is all.

[Apex]

For legacy Shadowmoor is indeed pretty crappy. You don't even have those cards that you go "oh, this will probably be a good filler card here in this, this, and this deck".

However, it is great in draft. Sealed also becomes harder to build, since you have about a billion way to build one sealed pool (instead of let's say Lorwyn, open Drowner of Secrets and some merfolks? Mill time). Hybrid guys allow you to play cards that you would usually never be able to play without Ravnica-esque colour fixing.

So yeah, for Legacy, Shadowmoor is pretty much shit. Here is to the printing of enemy fetches in Eventide.

[Nihil Credo]

Sealed also becomes harder to build, since you have about a billion way to build one sealed pool
Uh, not really. Hybrid opens up a lot of opportunities in Draft, but in Sealed you will pretty much always have only five: you pick an allied-colour pair and go with it. The colour requirements are so intense that it's very difficult, and almost never worth it, to splash a third colour, and unlike draft you won't usually have enough cards to play a mono-colour deck.

[Nightmare]

We've gone way off topic, and the original topic was rather weak anyway. Enough is enough.