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Clark Kant
05-09-2008, 07:22 AM
Deck: Vaka Bind

//Land
2 Swamp
4 Island
4 Underground Sea
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta

//Beatz
4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
3 Hunted Horror

//Draw
4 Brainstorm
4 Dark Confidant

//Disruption
4 Engineered Explosives/Powder Keg
4 Duress/Hymn
4 Thoughtseize
4 Force of Will
4 Stifle
3 Trickbind
3 Spell Snare
3 Daze

If you recall, I originally developed this deck several weeks ago. Since then though, I've dropped the Sensei's Top + Counterbalance minilock from the deck as it was taking up too many slots that I needed to play faster disruption.

I love the idea of playing 7/7 and 12/12 tramplers without a drawback on turn two/three very consistently, on the back of the best card drawing and disruption spells available in magic.

But once again, the deck is still in the development phase, so I'm open to any and all suggestions.

Think of this deck as a thresh variant that isn't reliant on the graveyard. The advantages are that...

1) 7/7 tramplers and 12/12 tramplers outclass 4/5 vanilla goyfs any day of the week.

2) The deck is invulnerable to graveyard hate as this is the most popular way that decks hate on thresh.

3) The manabase is extremely resilient, far more so than 3 color or 4 color thresh decks that lose to both Back to Basics and Blood Moon.

4) You don't need to play tons of cantrips and waste mana going crazy playing cantrips to make the deck function.

Other than that, think of the deck as basically a threshold variant and you will fare very well with it.

I've played this deck against a number of decks, and it's been faring extremely well. I just haven't kept track of the exact numbers unfortunately.

Other considerations...
Going up to 4 Hunted Horror and/or 4 Trickbind.
EE vs. Powder Keg - I think EE is better, as it doesn't blow up your guys as often. But Powder Keg lets you blow up 3/3s before they get one attack off of them, unlike EE when you are below 4 mana.
Duress vs. Hymn - Is Duress definately better. Would a 2/2 split work beset?

Sanguine Voyeur
05-09-2008, 08:36 AM
The deck is invulnerable to graveyard hate as this is the most popular way that decks hate on thresh.No it isn’t. People don’t attack the graveyard to attack Thresh, they go after the mana base or low threat count.

You don't need to play tons of cantrips and waste mana going crazy playing cantrips to make the deck function.Thresh doesn’t play cantrips to fill the graveyard, if plays them to find things. The cantrip base allows them to get away with a smaller mana base, lower threat count, and only the best disruption. It looks like you’ll have problems finding any of your seven threats and Stifles to make them work.

jrp
05-09-2008, 12:11 PM
It appears as though the formula you used to create this deck was something like:

Dreadstill - Good Cards + Bad Cards = Vaka Bind

Maybe I'm short-sighted, but I fail to see how this deck improves on any of Dreadstill's matchups. Maybe you could explain this for us.

Nightmare
05-09-2008, 12:35 PM
Know what's better than a 7/7 for 2 mana?

A 5/6 for 2 mana that doesn't inherantly 2-for-1 you when your opponent kills it.

T is for TOOL
05-09-2008, 12:40 PM
This list looks very similar to Vile Horror (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=47196) so I would read through that thread for ideas. Dreadnought functions as a finisher while Horror functions as a beater, so the two don't synergize particularly well.

Isamaru
05-09-2008, 02:35 PM
Vile Horror - Everything Important + Clark Kant = Vaka Bind

Can't you just post on your last thread that was the exact same (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9295)?

You took Countertop out, but not much was accomplished or changed in the process.

Peter_Rotten
05-09-2008, 02:39 PM
This has been less than productive.