When Does Tarmogoyf Rotate Out of Standard?

[Tical2000]

I would love to know when Tarmogoyf rotates out of Standard. I plan on picking up a playset when they're rotated out and hopefully dropped in price. Only problem is, I have no Type 2 knowledge and don't have the slightest clue when Future Sight rotates out of Standard. If anyone can provide me an approximate date, that would be nice. Thanks. :smile:

[Elficidium]

I would love to know when Tarmogoyf rotates out of Standard. I plan on picking up a playset when they're rotated out and hopefully dropped in price. Only problem is, I have no Type 2 knowledge and don't have the slightest clue when Future Sight rotates out of Standard. If anyone can provide me an approximate date, that would be nice. Thanks. :smile:

At the release of Shards of Alara, together with the rest of TS block and Coldsnap, which is October 3, 2008.

[Tical2000]

At the release of Shards of Alara, together with the rest of TS block and Coldsnap, which is October 3, 2008.

Thanks. Appreciate it, buddy. :smile:

[Tical2000]

Do you guys think that it'll drop in price?

[Elficidium]

Not heavily 'till it rotates out of Extended, which is an ungodly long time.
I don't see it dropping below 20€ before that.

[Jander78]

I imagine it will drop a little bit with the standard only players liquidating theirs, but I can't imagine it will drop a ton.

[Tical2000]

I imagine it will drop a little bit with the standard only players liquidating theirs, but I can't imagine it will drop a ton.

I agree. Atleast it will become more avaliable though, in online stores. :wink:

[andreotti16]

This is all assuming of course, that tarmogoyf does not get reprinted in eveningtide. If that happens, it will either raise a lot for being in standard and extended for another year, or drop dramatically for reprinting him a million+ times.

[Cait_Sith]

I imagine it will drop a little bit with the standard only players liquidating theirs, but I can't imagine it will drop a ton.

Actually, given that several of the future sight "future shifted" cards have been reprinted, it is possible that Goyf will be too.

This will NOT be in Eventide though, as Goyf is a grave-based card and Eventide is not going to be a grave-based set.

It depends on whether or not people will want to speculate.

[andreotti16]

Actually, given that several of the future sight "future shifted" cards have been reprinted, it is possible that Goyf will be too.

This will NOT be in Eventide though, as Goyf is a grave-based card and Eventide is not going to be a grave-based set.

It depends on whether or not people will want to speculate.

Just because a card doesn't match the theme of the set, doesn't mean it won't be printed, (see the planar chaos, and the whole time spiral set while your at it.)

[Cait_Sith]

Umm...

What in Time Spiral did not fit the theme? I mean, thematically, the only set more on target was Kamigawa.

[andreotti16]

Umm, in time spiral, bringing back some of the really old mechanics was fine but why bother in future sight to bring back ravnica mechanics? I mean, to me it just seems stupid. Instead, they should have had more future shifted cards or more cards with the older mechanics like shadow, or pain spells (browbeat, dash hopes, ect). In my opinion, they did not have enough pain spells.

[Jaynel]

Tarmogoyf is not being reprinted, just like Steamflogger Boss. Wizards of the Coast has confirmed that.

[Bryant Cook]

Tarmogoyf is not being reprinted, just like Steamflogger Boss. Wizards of the Coast has confirmed that.

You serious? Sonofabitch. Steamflogger Boss that is...

[J.V.]

You serious? Sonofabitch. Steamflogger Boss that is...

I know I really wanted to assemble contraptions twice as fast! I'm 1 away from a foil playset.

[Pinder]

Tarmogoyf is not being reprinted, just like Steamflogger Boss. Wizards of the Coast has confirmed that.

Can we get a link? I want to make sure it stays dead.

[Nihil Credo]

Can we get a link? I want to make sure it stays dead.
Who cares? R&D's overall plans for the future of Magic are generally reliable, but any specific promises they make are worth jack shit. See: "no more random discard", "no more P/T counters other than +1/+1", etc. etc.

[monopoman]

Odds are with how ridiculous the card has become it won't be reprinted.

There is no law saying that every future shifted card will get reprinted.

They even said so themselves Steamflogger is a joke they say Contraptions are a joke.

So yeah if that leaves one then that leaves more you can read about that on articles shortly around Future Sight on the main site. I'm too lazy to look it up but I know its there for sure.

[Cait_Sith]

Odds are with how ridiculous the card has become it won't be reprinted.

Is the card broken?

No.

Is it set specific?

No.

Then it is definitely possible that it could be reprinted.

[Barook]

Is the card broken?

No.

Then it is definitely possible that it could be reprinted.
Goyf is not broken, but definitely overpowered. Heck, they don't even reprint Rancor because it's considered "too good". :rolleyes:

[DeathwingZERO]

Is the card broken?

No.

Is it set specific?

No.

Then it is definitely possible that it could be reprinted.

Is the card format warping?

MOST DEFINITELY.

It will not be reprinted so soon after Wizards realized it's mistake. If anything, it will hit another core set. Even that is pretty doubtful though.

[andreotti16]

Who cares? R&D's overall plans for the future of Magic are generally reliable, but any specific promises they make are worth jack shit. See: "no more random discard", "no more P/T counters other than +1/+1", etc. etc.

I think that R & D didn't say that. Wizards did confirm a while ago before morningtide was released that another artifact theme set would be coming within the year 09. I believe contraption is an artifact mechanic (but its kinda hard to say). Also to your random discard stop, see Mind Shatter.

[andreotti16]

When they think of future sets, they think of future sight. True, every card won't get reprinted, but the cards that don't, their themes are shifted. I got an obvious one and a harder one: Henchfiend of Ukor will not be reprinted, but it gave us a glimpse of hybrids making a comeback, along with its buddy graven cairens. The harder one to see is Grave Scrabbler. This card says madness 1B. If you paid the madness cost, you may return target creature from your graveyard to your hand. A lower cost that gives you a reward if you pay it? To me, that sounds a lot like Prowl. Bottom line, every card will not get reprinted, but I believe every mechanic will see some light in the future.

Tarmogoyf may get reprinted, or its purpose might have been to introduce plainswalkers. His reminder text introduced us players to a new card type that got us all psyched up

[Lego]

I believe contraption is an artifact mechanic (but its kinda hard to say)

Actually, it's not very difficult to say, seeing as the Comprehensive Rules lists Contraption as an Artifact subtype.

[munkie]

So I don't really post that much but I read a ton here on this site, and I have for the better part of five years.

WHEN THE FUCK WILL YOU STOP BITCHING ABOUT TARMOGOYF? [/caps]

We play the second most powerful format, debatably, and that's because of the high amount of high powered cards that are staples. You complain about a two mana 4/5 when there are FREE counterspells and a one mana spell that deals with any targetable creature? Whatthefuckever.

Tarmogoyf has very high probability of being reprinted. Wizards has already stated that some of the cards currently on the banned list we because of how expensive they were to obtain. You don't think they see these boards? You think they don't know what they players want to see? They do. But the decisions that R&D makes are for the good of the game, based on experience and past successes/failures.

Tarmogoyf is the most expensive regular rare to ever exist since the gold symbol. They don't want cards to get so expensive that people can't afford them. There is a reason that Future Sight is still in print.

I would say that Tarmogoyf has about a 95% chance of being reprinted. So that means a few things:

1.) People who can't get them now will have another chance.

2.) Prices will level out a bit due to reprint.

3.) Prices might stay the same since it will be in Standard again.

4.) Bitchy players need to get the sand out of their vaginas. Tarmogoyf isn't going anywhere.


This post isn't directed at anyone in particular, just quit complaining about things and find a way to solve the problem. Smother kills Goyf some good.

And until I see something (a link, etc.) and read that Tarmogoyf will not be reprinted, I stand by what I say.

[MattH]

IS future sight still in print? I'd heard from local dealers that their wholesalers have a limited supply, so they're making the stores buy a case of Morningtide to get a box of FS.

[munkie]

IS future sight still in print? I'd heard from local dealers that their wholesalers have a limited supply, so they're making the stores buy a case of Morningtide to get a box of FS.
It's entirely possible that they are just trying to push Morningtide since it was a very poor selling set.

As far as I know, FS is still in print, but I could be wrong. I remember reading something somewhere about how TS and PC are not in print and FS still is, when they usually stop printing the entire block when a new one comes out. Oh, well. Someone who cares enough will prove me wrong.

[jbmulder]

Here are the articles which talk about Steamflogger Boss being a joke (the second one does mention they're sorry that it was a rare):

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/af169
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/af170

Not that it directly applies to Tarmogoyf possibly being reprinted in the future, but some of these principles could come into play.

For what it's worth (which is nothing, really), I'd be shocked if they ever reprinted Tarmogoyf. Rancor is a great example of a similar card. Too undercosted for what it does, but not broken in the strict sense of the word.

[Getsickanddie]

Tarmogoyf is not being reprinted, just like Steamflogger Boss. Wizards of the Coast has confirmed that.

Source?

I'm pretty sure with all the headaches the reserved list has caused Wizards isn't going to make absolute statements regarding reprints.

[Pulp_Fiction]

His price may drop about 5$ but that would be it. Goyf will still be run in Extended and is played in every format. Look at Grim Lavamancer, he has been a red staple since his printing (in all non-eternal formats) and playsets on eBay still go for 30$+. When Goyf rotates out of standard don't expect a big price drop. He will stay a 40$+ card for a long time because it really is that good.

[MattH]

When Goyf rotates out of extended, THEN it'll drop to 20-25, and probably stay there forever.

[andreotti16]

So I don't really post that much but I read a ton here on this site, and I have for the better part of five years.

WHEN THE FUCK WILL YOU STOP BITCHING ABOUT TARMOGOYF? [/caps]

We play the second most powerful format, debatably, and that's because of the high amount of high powered cards that are staples. You complain about a two mana 4/5 when there are FREE counterspells and a one mana spell that deals with any targetable creature? Whatthefuckever.

Tarmogoyf has very high probability of being reprinted. Wizards has already stated that some of the cards currently on the banned list we because of how expensive they were to obtain. You don't think they see these boards? You think they don't know what they players want to see? They do. But the decisions that R&D makes are for the good of the game, based on experience and past successes/failures.

Tarmogoyf is the most expensive regular rare to ever exist since the gold symbol. They don't want cards to get so expensive that people can't afford them. There is a reason that Future Sight is still in print.

I would say that Tarmogoyf has about a 95% chance of being reprinted. So that means a few things:

1.) People who can't get them now will have another chance.

2.) Prices will level out a bit due to reprint.

3.) Prices might stay the same since it will be in Standard again.

4.) Bitchy players need to get the sand out of their vaginas. Tarmogoyf isn't going anywhere.


This post isn't directed at anyone in particular, just quit complaining about things and find a way to solve the problem. Smother kills Goyf some good.

And until I see something (a link, etc.) and read that Tarmogoyf will not be reprinted, I stand by what I say.

All right, we arn't bitching about tarmogoyf all that much. We were discussing the odds of some of these cards getting reprinted and how some of the timeshifted rares of future sight could have been a hint to some of our current mechanics. 2nd, if u want to see bitching, go to google and type: ban tarmogoyf? 3rdly, we need free counterspells dumbass. Without FOW, combo would sweep the format.

[kicks_422]

Tarmogoyf isn't even used much in T2 now. And once it rotates out, the price might even go up higher because all the T1/T1.5 players would be scrambling to buy playsets off of the T2 players.

[MattH]

Tarmogoyf isn't even used much in T2 now. And once it rotates out, the price might even go up higher because all the T1/T1.5 players would be scrambling to buy playsets off of the T2 players.

I think you're misunderstanding something about supply and demand here...unless you assume there's gonna be more Eternal players buying than Standard players selling. Which is kind of a strange assumption to make.

[Jak]

I may go down, but the deand will still be high so I am sure it won't go down by more than 5 bucks.

[Bardo]

When Goyf rotates out of extended, THEN it'll drop to 20-25, and probably stay there forever.

Yeah, pretty much. I have the figure of $18 - $22 by Dec. 31, 2008 in my head. Ravager fell from a relatively high height too, though not as far (~$25 -> $10).

[MattH]

Yeah, pretty much. I have the figure of $18 - $22 by Dec. 31, 2008 in my head. Ravager fell from a relatively high height too, though not as far (~$25 -> $10).

There was a time when Ravagers could be found for like $6-7, but they went back up last Extended season.

[DeathwingZERO]

FS is not in print. The printing policy to ALL sets other than core is pretty much as follows:

Block "lead": Printed in initial orders from stores + X given amount based on those numbers, following a 2 month "blackout", then printed again based on secondary demand.

Block expansions: Printed for the 1 month of initial release/preorders, followed by another blackout much like the lead. Will no longer be printed when a new set comes out, but will be printed again in between it's release and new set release a second time if absolutely needed (Future Sight did not get this treatment).

Core Sets: Printed as needed until the next core set is released. Doesn't follow the same 2 month blackout, it follows more or less a month long blackout, and is printed rather heavily based on preorder/initial sales predictions.

This is pretty much how it was explained to me by my distributor when I was buying during the Ravnica and TS blocks. This started just after Onslaught. Wanna know why Saviors is so easy to get? Initial demand skyrocketed because of Erayo, etc....then completely dropped when nobody played much of it's cards post Mirrodin rotation.

Future Sight is also getting harder to get. As far as the past 3 blocks worth (not counting Lorwyn since it's not techincally done) it's the most desired set of all of them. Roughly $100 or so a box for stores to buy at cost now.

[hypeiv]

Yeah, pretty much. I have the figure of $18 - $22 by Dec. 31, 2008 in my head. Ravager fell from a relatively high height too, though not as far (~$25 -> $10).

Yea It will drop into the high $20's and stick there forever... Mutavault will be hit much harder...

[Versus]

Yea It will drop into the high $20's and stick there forever... Mutavault will be hit much harder...

Mutavault was fucking priced at $50 at the store i played at last night! How in the Christ does a worse Factory wind up at that price point? I realize that in Standard Vault can be even better because of pumps from Scions, Perfects, Aunties, but still that's pretty rediculous for a man land that isn't even revolutionary in any way.

To many cards from the last 4 sets have skyrocketed beyond the norm imo. back in the day every rare was $5-10 with the occasional Cursed Scroll here and there. If this is what Magic is becoming I don't thing all the work Wizards is doing to make the game more player friendly is actually gonna work. eventually the T2 players who build new decks every friggin week will wake the fuck up and buy a cars and beer with their hard earned cash instead.

I'm relieved to be done with Standard. It was too much keeping up with. Now I can just sit back on the cards/decks I own and if some staple comes around in the future that makes them better, I can order a play set and be done with it.

I'll stop talking talking now. I'm pretty sure I've strayed from the OT.