[Deck] Graveyard Stompy

[Shivanking]

Hi, this is my first post out CaNG forum:laugh:
first, sorry for my bad, bad english.

This is a deck I have developed with my brother for CaNG Italia Contest, It isn't a very competitive deck, but I think we can improve it!
Now, this is the decklist with a little deck analysis:

Graveyard Stompy

Developed by Licantropo and Shivanking for LegacyItalia

1.1 - Little Intro

I ever like control decks, and my brother likes big and strong creatures: tombstalker is a beautiful card in a black control deck, in Italy we call them "Vacche" :laugh:

For CaNG Contest we have developed this deck: it's a stompy, it's a control, it contains tombstalker and psychoatog.
At the beginning the deck was a pikula-oriented deck, a simple pikula deck with chalice of the void and trinisphere: sure non a competitive deck:confused:

Over time we have refined it: for CaNG Italia contest it was a funny and good deck.

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/fut/91.jpg http://magiccards.info/scans/en/od/292.jpg

1.2 - The Deck List

// Lands
4 [R] Underground Sea
4 [ON] Polluted Delta
2 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
1 [SH] Volrath's Stronghold
3 [UNH] Swamp
4 [EX] City of Traitors
2 [UNH] Island

// Creatures
4 [OD] Psychatog
3 [FUT] Tombstalker
4 [LRW] Shriekmaw

// Spells
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 [MR] Thirst for Knowledge
3 [DS] Trinisphere
2 [TE] Intuition
2 [PLC] Damnation
4 [5E] Brainstorm
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [US] Duress

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [TSB] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 4 [SOK] Pithing Needle
SB: 4 [7E] Engineered Plague
SB: 3 [PLC] Extirpate

[B]1.3 - Cards Analysis

Mana comes only by lands, not lotus petal & other. The lands are 6 fetchlands for have ever the black mana for play tombstalker, psychatog and other creatures and 4 city of traitors, classic cards of stompy decks...

Furthermore there are Volrath's Stronghold, for have many tricks: infinite shriemawk, psychatog & co.

Creatures are only 3: tombstalker, psychatog and shriemawk. Tombstalker and the atog are our finishers, also shriemawk is a beautiful removal that have a
synergy with Volrath's Stronghold.

With brainstorm we can create many tricks and we can play without any fear Force of Will, for counter any annoying opponent's card.

Thirst for Knowledgle is instead a card that are in combo with the rest of the deck, with this card we can put in our graveyard cards for tombstalker or psychatog.

Now I stop the cards analysis, for me translate italian to english is enough difficult :rolleyes:

[Willoe]

As far as I can see, there is a lot of dissyngergy in your deck:

Ancient Tomb/City of Traitors + Psychatog's mana cost
Chalice of the Void + Duress and Brainstorm
Trinisphere + Force of Will, Brainstorm and Duress

But there's a couple of synergies, too:

Tombstalker + Intuition

Brainstorm + Fetches (I think we all know this one, but it's good to see in a STOMPY deck! :smile:)

Psychatog + Every other card in the deck.

The only real shit about Psychatog is that goddamn mana cost. Seriously. If you can find another creature (not goyf, your mana base can't handle it) I think that this deck needs to play goyf early, give it a jitte and beat face ASAP, right? There aren't that many control elements, given that Damnation, Force of Will, Chalice and 3sphere are the only real things that hinder your opponent from winning his game.

I have nothing really to add, other than that you have two possibilities:

1. Find another early, agressive creature

2. Put more powerful control elements in the deck in favor of i.e. Jitte.

What I find annoying is that your deck is a strange twist between aggro, stompy and control. Make it pure aggro-control and I think it will perform better.

Hope I helped!

[Shivanking]

first, thanks for the answer!
then: yes duress and brainstorm aren't in sinergy with the rest of the deck and psychoatog many time si very difficult to play...

i can change duress>hymn to tourach or add hypnotic specter or Shimian Specter, 2 cards with mana cost>1

brainstorm can changed in ancestral vision or another card with cc > 1

[Thomas1991]

beatsticks 10
4#psychatog
2#tombstalker
4#tarmogoyf (if it's to expensive you can go for the oldschool quirion dryad ;))


abuse
2#life from the loam
3#intuition

cantrip
3#ponder
4#brainstorm

countermagic
3#daze
4#force of will

spot removal
3#shriekmaw


massremoval
3#pernicious deed
2#engineered explosives

Mana
4#polluted delta
3#underground sea
3#tropical island
1#bayou
3#flooded strand
2#island
1#swamp

Life from the loam abuse
1#volrath's stronghold
1#academy ruins
1#wasteland
2#blue cycle land

intuition for things like:
life from the loam > academy ruins / volrath's stronghold > Engineered explosives / shriekmaw / beatstick is a good play ^^

splashing green gives you deed/ tarmogoyf/ Life from the loam explosives with 3 counters and ofcourse more sideboard options.

[Finn]

I'm trying really hard. But I can't think of three creatures that have more dis-synergy than Tarmogoyf, Tombstalker, and Psychatog.

It seems like the George Steinbrenner of deck designs. Throw enough money and power at it and it should eventually win.

EDIT:
It seems that you have a good grasp on what cards are powerful in Legacy, but you have not really tried this out or even thought it through.

Tombstalker+Pernicious Deed is awesome. I have been looking for a way to do this since Future Sight. Beyond that, you have a random collection of cards that hurt each other.

[Shivanking]

I don't like a stompy with 3 color, we must play city of traitors ad if we play 3 color play the creatures is very difficult!

The options are basically two:

- Graveyard Stompy BG
- Graveyard Stompy UB

A possible decklist BG:

// Lands
4 [EX] City of Traitors
2 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
4 [B] Bayou
1 [SH] Volrath's Stronghold
3 [UNH] Swamp
4 [ON] Polluted Delta
1 [UNH] Forest
1 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

// Creatures
4 [FUT] Shimian Specter
3 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
4 [FUT] Tombstalker
4 [LRW] Shriekmaw

// Spells
4 [FE] Hymn to Tourach (3)
4 [DS] Trinisphere
3 [RAV] Life from the Loam
3 [AP] Pernicious Deed
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
3 [FD] Night's Whisper
4 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [TSB] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 4 [SOK] Pithing Needle
SB: 4 [7E] Engineered Plague
SB: 3 [PLC] Extirpate


With this list we lost any counter, not good. Therefore we have to play more contro elements: Shimian Specter is an example, but It can replaced by Hypnotic Specter.. Hypnotic have a little cc, and it is good, but Shimian also have a > cc and make an extirpate on our opponent.

In this deck list we haven't any brainstorm/intuition, I have inserted night's whispers...

But I haven't any test, if you want to test, contact me by pm.

[Thomas1991]

Tarmogoyf, tog and stalker are not totaly bad together.

Tog and stalker only feeds on you're own graveyard and tarmogoyf can remain strong by your opponents graveyard but like i said you could go for the dryad.
and you use the tog only when nessesary and as kill.

Life from the loam fills your graveyard en has synergy with most cards of the deck.

it was'nt my intension to throw a lot of money to the deck to make it good but sometimes you have to throw some money to a deck to make it good.

I did'nt test the deck or something i'ts just a list that looks like it can work.

the deck i typed is just a big toolbox deck that good more to aggro/control.

[GenioDeArena]

Juggernaut is a very generic stompyesque creatura that doesnt care about color problems

[Shivanking]

mmm, juggernaut... beautyful creature but have a problem: lightning bolt and every burn!

For the build: actually I prefere a 2 colors build, it's strong, with three color we can't have all mana colors and many cards remains in our hands

[Roman Candle]

I'm trying really hard. But I can't think of three creatures that have more dis-synergy than Tarmogoyf, Tombstalker, and Psychatog.

Paper Tiger, Rock Lobster, Scissors Lizard.

[Valtrix]

This should be a deck with Traumatize and guiltfeeder...That's some true graveyard stomping there =P

But something more on topic. I definitely don't think a deck like this could support more than 2 colors. Even then, running traitors still seems a bit risky. Do you think that something like mindshatter might be any use in here? You could easily ramp up to enough mana to make them discard their hand...Perhaps not the best idea, but worth trying.

I don't like night's whisper in here, to be honest...I'd rather just go for the arena and have more cards for the rest of the game.

There's just too much disynergy in here...I mean, any of your artifacts on the board plus deed? That's pretty stupid, even if you can put them in your graveyard, I don't think it's worth it for the tog. For creatures...I wonder if dusk urchins might be any good in here; seems like they could have potential.

Also, where is dark ritual in your acceleration? That seems like a bad choice. I'll try looking at this more later.

[raharu]

This should be a deck with Traumatize and guiltfeeder...That's some true graveyard stomping there =P

But something more on topic. I definitely don't think a deck like this could support more than 2 colors. Even then, running traitors still seems a bit risky. Do you think that something like mindshatter might be any use in here? You could easily ramp up to enough mana to make them discard their hand...Perhaps not the best idea, but worth trying.

I don't like night's whisper in here, to be honest...I'd rather just go for the arena and have more cards for the rest of the game.

There's just too much disynergy in here...I mean, any of your artifacts on the board plus deed? That's pretty stupid, even if you can put them in your graveyard, I don't think it's worth it for the tog. For creatures...I wonder if dusk urchins might be any good in here; seems like they could have potential.

Also, where is dark ritual in your acceleration? That seems like a bad choice. I'll try looking at this more later.
I'd stay UB and throw Zephid in place of Psychatog.

[Internet Hate Machine]

I'd stay UB and throw Zephid in place of Psychatog.

Zephid? ....really...?

[freakish777]

Paper Tiger, Rock Lobster, Scissors Lizard.

Heh, I have a friend who has a casual demon deck.

One time he had the following 3 creatures in play and nothing else but land:

Lord of the Pit
Yukora, The Prisoner
Havoc Demon


No matter which non-Lord of the Pit creature he chooses to sacrifice, Yukora hits the bin and Wraths his board.


Good times.