[NCD] Lorescale Coatl

Wisescale Serpent* 1:g::u:
Creature - Snake - Uncommon
Whenever you draw a card, you may put a +1/+1 counter on Wisescale Serpent.
2/2

Please keep in mind that this card still could change.

Don't forget this naturally gets +1/+1 a turn from your draw step. Cards like brainstorm and sylvan library have really good synergy with this.

Sensei's divining top can be used to put a +1/+1 counter on this for just one mana. If you have two tops you can do it as many times as you want a turn(1 mana each time) at sorcery speed.

So this seems like a strong card, will it see play in legacy? Will it be played in threshold style decks?

It seems like a natural fit to me solid beats, grows w/o any investment, pitches to Force. Might see more play in Tempo Thresh or Team America as creature 9 & 10, than in Balanced Thresh / NLU. Since Balanced Thresh / NLU seem to be going more towards control/CA guys, than straight beats w/ protection or tempo.

As currently spoiled, it's a damn fine creature. It would certainly see some play.

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Originally Posted by from Cairo

It seems like a natural fit to me solid beats, grows w/o any investment, pitches to Force. Might see more play in Tempo Thresh or Team America as creature 9 & 10, than in Balanced Thresh / NLU. Since Balanced Thresh / NLU seem to be going more towards control/CA guys, than straight beats w/ protection or tempo.

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I think it might be better in a more controlish version of thresh since the longer the game goes the better he gets. He is also capable of playing defence against a goyf and is more than happy to just sit there for a few turns with niether player being able to attack

Valid point, idk if those lists will want to replace Trinket Mage or Trygon Predator with him, definitely a possibility though. Would be nice to see some more good removal seeing print. With the quality of the creatures that have been seeing print it feels like the removal is falling behind.

3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Tropical Island
3 Island
1 Forest
3 Lonely Sandbar
2 Tranquil Thicket
2 Wasteland
1 Academy Ruins

4 Tarmogoyf
3 "Wisescale Snake"
1 Eternal Witness
1 Wonder

4 Brainstorm
3 Intuition
2 Life from the Loam
1 Engineered Explosives
3 Vedalken Shackles
3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Counterbalance
3 Counterspell
4 Force of Will


Splashing black for Stronghold and removal like Smother or Damnation wouldn't be bad either. 1-2 Jitte would be a possibility as well.

Not going for Threshold here at all, but an Intuition-Loam card advantage engine.

I'd probably drop E Witness (underwhelming w/o Volrath's Stronghold), 1-2 Vedalken Shackles (3 overkill w/ Intuition/Academy Ruins), and 1 Counterspell for 3-4 Ponder, but otherwise seems like a cool list to test out.

This card is amazing if this is the final version.

One thing I do like about this card is the ability to bluff with it. Now say you have a 4/5 goyf out and they just played this guy and got a blue open. You have no counters in hand and no removal. Do you swing in and risk getting savaged by brainstorm? Probably not. Thus allowing this guy to fend of a goyf even when he is still to small to do so.

I very much enjoyed playing Dryade in red balanced Thresh and this card is superior in every way (except the CC of course). It will probably make its way into Legacy.

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Originally Posted by from Cairo

I'd probably drop E Witness (underwhelming w/o Volrath's Stronghold), 1-2 Vedalken Shackles (3 overkill w/ Intuition/Academy Ruins), and 1 Counterspell for 3-4 Ponder, but otherwise seems like a cool list to test out.

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Hmm, good point. Not sure about the Ponder, but...how about this?

4 Polluted Delta
2 Wooded Foothills
3 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Island
1 Swamp
1 Forest
3 Lonely Sandbar
2 Tranquil Thicket
2 Wasteland
1 Academy Ruins
1 Volrath's Stronghold

4 Tarmogoyf
3 Wisescale Snake
1 Eternal Witness

4 Brainstorm
3 Intuition
2 Life from the Loam
1 Worm Harvest
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Vedalken Shackles
3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Counterbalance
3 Counterspell
4 Force of Will

Addition of black gives Witness and Stronghold recursion, the option for Deed and good sideboard cards, and Worm Harvest (not necessarily good, but god do I love that card).

This card is retarded...

If this stays the way it is, I'm looking into getting a play set ASAP!

Wizards may have succeeded in printing a creature nearly as dumb as Tarmogoyf. And the funny thing is it goes right into the same decks that are currently employing the best creature and strategies in Legacy. That's just peachy. Personally, I hope the spoiler is wrong. I know that probably won't make me popular, but whatever.

One good thing... Bounce spells will be a much better answer to Wisescale Serpent than they are to Tarmogoyf. I predict Submerge will increase in popularity as a sideboard card.

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Originally Posted by Volt

One good thing... Bounce spells will be a much better answer to Wisescale Serpent than they are to Tarmogoyf. I predict Submerge will increase in popularity as a sideboard card.

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I agree. The way this card is printed, Brainstorm will be a Giant Growth. Mix it up with the rest: Jace, Ponder, Standstill - this creature is going to be a house. I love Submerge, been playing it for many years; this card will make Submerge a more common sideboard option.

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Originally Posted by Volt

One good thing... Bounce spells will be a much better answer to Wisescale Serpent than they are to Tarmogoyf. I predict Submerge will increase in popularity as a sideboard card.

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Ditto with Red Elemental Blasts.

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Originally Posted by goobafish

Ditto with Red Elemental Blasts.

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Yep, because A) They kill your opponent's snakes, and B) They counter your opponent's Submerges.

I think for the U/Gx, this could be what people were thinking Knight of the Reliquary was going to be. Or it could just flame out like that card did.

I'm still not sure where its going to end up. Threshold and Counterbalance deck lists are usually very stable and don't suddenly change. Most decks that fall into those archetypes run a very limited number of 3cc slots already. Even in those decks, the room for change is limited. Trinket based decks won't have room for it. I also worry that when it the card comes down, its only a 2/2 and at 3 mana, that "could be" be a key casting card. I wouldn't want to tap out on turn three or wait till four and not see any benefit from the card at least until turn 5. I mean best case, you're able to resolve it turn three, and then you'd have to Brainstorm on your turn which would make him a 6/6. But that's assuming a hell of a lot. Other 3cc like Clique, Trinket and to a lesser extent Trygon and Serendib Efreet (Trygon should be considered more of a board card) seem to hold as much, if not more advantage. I mean Goyf is going to be beater most of the time and serves as the decks heavy hitter. I don't think the decks need more than that. If you're getting into the 3cc range I'd think decks like that would want some immediate turn on your investment. Clique and Trinket offer that, and the later two still add something to the mix like flying and in the case of Trygon a nice benefit.

Additionally, other 3cc cards like Shackles, Vindicate, Deed etc would almost always seem preferable.

Just some thoughts though.

I completly agree on what Fossil said, but after a few tests on MWS, I have to say he's a real big threat. 9/9 on his second attack isn't very hard to accomplish, mostly because of top's effect and brainstorms. (In a CB deck)

P-M

Ditto with active volcano because:
a) Snake killer
b) Tempo gain.