I just wanted to say that SCG is now buying tabernacles for $150.
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I just wanted to say that SCG is now buying tabernacles for $150.
They will probably continue to go up. There has been figures thrown around MOTL that they're in the $180+ range at the moment. I didn't see it happening, but it's the truth :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by beastman
I see they're also sold out of Forces at $35. I bought an extra set awhile back on the hunch that it was a solid investment, and clearly it has been, but the question is: when do I unload them?
If you believe that Magic: the Gathering is a phenomenon that is likely to go away at some point then you sell them when they get to the level that makes you happy with the return.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattH
Most people who have done this over the years with various cards have been aghast at how much money they actually gave away by selling a commodity that would rise astronomically in price.
I still kick myself for selling 2 heavily played Black Lotuses at $50 a pop in early 1995 when I was walking away from the game for the first time. I bought one almost mint one for $175 6 months later and then sold it for $250 (still almost pristine) when I finally left for good in 1996. It's still the only early card I don't own and never will unless I win one somewhere.
Moved to Community.
Troll and Toad bought a nm+/mint tabernacle from me for $185 10 days ago. I also sold 2 ex ones for $140 each a month and a half ago before the deck went crazy at St. Louis so it isn't surprising to see it hitting $200.
How much are Italian ones going for?
Seriously, guys? Here in Italy I can find one *in italian* for 65 euros, which are..93 dollars. And this also goes for the Goyfs. Here a set is usually valued 90 euros, i.e. 128 dollars. Add something like 20 dollars for International shipping, and you're still under the SCG monstrosities.
This time you'd better buy Oversea from us ! We need your money!
I wouldn't be surprised to see people buying italian ones at 140, but I wouldn't touch one unless it is 120 or less.
This is only to be expected as the format becomes more popular. But, at the same time, this lends a good argument to unban cards on the banned list because of monetary reasons, e.g. Mana Drain. :wink:
When they were around $100, I was going to try to pick them up in Italian or something but now that they've gone hog wild on prices, I'm not going to bother.
To be honest, I'm not a big fan of $100+ cards in a format. I think cards like Tarmogoyf, Sea Drake, LED, etc. are a good level of what is an "expensive" card in any given format. Triple digits only serves to alienate new players. That being said, I know Tabernacle is usually at most a 2 of and only in one competitive deck (correct me if I'm wrong), but it's a bad precedent.
I bet 43lands costs more than some vintage decks now (assuming 10 proxies).
43 lands cost well over $1000 to build so yeah, it would easily cost more than 10 proxy vintage decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Otter
Dude, hook me up :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Piceli89
@ andrew77: Did you snag that ITL Tabernacle on MOTL the other day for like $70?
This is not the only card that is going nuts, as MattH pointed out. It seems almost every decent Legacy staple has gone up.
The first "good" deck that I bought was Dragon Stompy because it was cheap. Now the deck is $250-$300, which is significantly more than two years ago. Obviously that price tag is still relatively cheap for a Legacy deck, but that is not the point. Tarmogoyf, for example, is now going for $60 on eBay, when one year ago today they could be bought for less than $35. Dual lands have gone up and so have Mox Diamond/Lion's Eye Diamond (these are not necessarily cards that I am comparing, just ones that have seen a significant rise in price that see a lot of play in Legacy).
I guess the point of this post is just to bring to light how much Legacy staples have risen over just a year or so. It seems the jump from 2008 to 2009 was a lot steeper than the jump from 2007 to 2008. Even though this thread is specifically about one card, I feel as if a discussion about the overall rise in price of Legacy staples would be better.
It was stated somewhere that Vintage/Legacy staples tend to be hoarded and hung onto, where T2 (and sometimes only Extended-usable cards) staples tend to go down after they rotate out, and become worthless.
I tend to agree with this. I don't have a ton of money, so if I want to build a deck I need to trade/sell, if it were Eternal staples, I'd rather continue to buy. This leads to a lot of kicking self, like four years ago when I tried to get out of this game :smile:
now is a good time to sell. people are paying insane prices for things. Im sure it will drop off by early summer and then pick up again by late fall.
dude, this totally ruins my plans to build Tabernacle Red.
What the hell? I was looking at minty Tabernacles (to collect, not play), saw a $130 average price tag and said "hell fucking no." Now SSG is out of stock selling @$225?! Maybe this whole "Legacy" thing actually is catching on... somehow I'm less remorseful of buying almost a dozen playsets of Force @$25 per card 6 months ago. Force, a card that's been stagnant for 5 years. Are these staples still on the rise, or is this the peak of their performance?
Nothing personal, and I say this with no ill intent, but I think examples like this are a good reason the prices of legacy staples are going up. Sure more people are buying staples than ever before, but I would like to know just how many people are buying cards to actually play with instead of buying to sell later. This, combined with Magic economics (people buying card X for Y price to later sell for a higher Z price and never letting go of it until at least price Z is reached, basically how p9 continues to go up in price) will one day make the price of legacy go up astronomically.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattH
This is one reason why power creep can be a great thing, all those expensive as hell staples could one day be replaced by $20 cards. Sure some players will decry this as the death of their beloved nostalgia format, but when it actually comes to either buying a Legacy deck or buying a nice used car the average joe will demand a good opportunity to make their deck cost back through tournaments, which isn't going to happen if everybody who hasn't been playing since at least 2006 can't get a hold FOWs for $50 apiece (or whatever crazy price we all know they will eventually reach).
The inner idiot in me says fuck the reprint policy and just reprint everything from the entire p9 to the whole Legends set, but I know this would be disastrous for the Magic secondary market.
Sure I try to get good deals when I can, I'm a college student and can't afford the multitudes of x4 $20+ cards legacy so often requires. I have a good thing going where I trade cards for textbooks to people in my major to better finance myself. If I see a fetchland or a dual land in someone's $5 box no way in hell am I going to tell them otherwise, but I don't do this to horde cards to make some mass profit, but to finance either myself or decks. I trade duals for duals, cards I get on the cheap for cards in decks I need, or at least cards I know I can trade to people who have stuff I need.
Oh yeah, one more thing:
It really pisses me off when I see people who go around buying stuff like 12 Tropical Islands just to use in different decks. I mean, just because you play 3 different decks that for whatever reason call for 4 Tropical Islands do you really need 12 of them? Jesus Christ, is it that hard to just take them out of one pair of sleeves into another? Too hard to just proxy them if you are playing your decks against each other? Not only do I think this is incredibly wasteful, and a testament to just how much money people are willing to blow on certain hobbies, but also the number one thing making Legacy staples go up.[/myownpersonalopiniondon'trespondtoit]
Be a man/woman. Help poor Timmy by selling your horde of 40 City of Traitors you've been hanging on to. Flood the market. Keep legacy affordable.
Some of us, you know, have friends that borrow decks? And it's nice to have the extra staples around for that reason. I'm looking to pick up second sets of goyf, force and wasteland so I can have 5 competitive decks to loan out to people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meister_Kai