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This poll was quite interesting but, because of how it was phrased, it wasn't really useful for knowing if there is a real, practical interest in Vintage.
The purpose of this new poll is to help us figure out how many people actually want to talk about Vintage, as opposed to just thinking it's cool to have.
(This is a personal poll of mine and does not imply any official choice by the staff.)
I would.
This thread is an excellent idea and if there isn't enough interest to garner support for the creation of the sub forum I would, have the ability to, and framework in place to setup a Vintage forum (with actual licensed software, dedicated hosting, and mucho bandwidth). Just throwing that out there. I do hope we get enough votes though!
I also would support a vintage subforum, or if Ertai opened up his own, I would take advantage of that. The only reason Vintage is regarded as not a real format anymore is because people have buried their heads in the sand after the format collapsed and have been unwilling to rebuild it. There's been a resurgence of interest lately -- if that were supported and nurtured, it would be good for not only the format as a whole, but I would say for the website that hosted it. We need a replacement for the Mana Drain, badly.
Which is really unfortunate because the format is the best it's ever been; the meta is wide open and diverse. At least in the Boston area we've had a major resurgence. The main LGS has difficulty getting 6 people for weekly Legacy, we will be hitting 20 a week for Vintage very soon. My goal is to focus on player retention although unlike recent years it hasn't been much of an issue this time around (knock on wood).Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Do you allow proxies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ertai's Familiar
You going to be able to get them to turn out for GP Boston for side events, you think? I only have one piece of power (Jet) + Vault/Library, unfortunately, but if we could get a side event or two to fire I'd be a very happy man even if I couldn't run with full power.
Yes. I've actually gone out of my way to fully print and sleeve a meta (RUG Delver, Landstill, Espresso Stax, Martello Stax, UBr - UBg Time Vault Control, Drain Tendrils, Show and Oath, G/W etc) I hand these lists out to people who are typically on the fence about delving into the format. 90% of the time they play the list for a few weeks and either come back with something they have read up on and tuned themselves or start acquiring actual cards for the list I shipped them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorpT
For monthly events we only allow 10 proxy to provide some incentive for buying into the format, this typically attracts Legacy/older players who have a relatively decent card pool. Though I'm thinking of axing these and moving to either a 3 or 6 month larger event to help facilitate a larger prize pool/put less pressure on newer players to spend a large amount of money on an entry fee for a format they are unfamiliar with.
I also set up a Facebook group for the players I know within my immediate friends group to help gauge interest in weekly events and talk about articles etc. It's worth noting that I also push article content I find as well as old primers via email to a lot of the new players (typically the email is the first thing I ask for when I meet someone who's interested in playing).
Teach a man to fish and all that.
I find the main issue with Vintage is ignorance. There are a lot of preconceived misconceptions about the format that people fuel without any actual experience or historical evidence. The format itself has evolved quit a bit over the past 6 years to the point where I'd actual be comfortable calling it Legacy with P9 (generalization but you get the point). If you are short on patience Vintage isn't for you. Like anything in life it requires effort and time. In my experience people either stick with it or drop out quick; the ladder obviously possessing more interest than the former which clearly drives desire to excel. At the end of the day a lot of it revolves around being critical of your own play, this separates players from pros. In addition coming to the realization that variance happens across all formats is key. The only difference is the perceived notion of "fairness" i.e. getting blown out in Vintage looks a lot worse on paper when compared to Legacy, where I would argue the only difference between the two is that in Legacy you actually lost 4 turns ago. The best Vintage players I know focus on minimizing variance by design choices, meta gaming, and being intimately familiar with the list of their choice (stick with one deck). Outside of the card pool Vintage is really no different from any other format and it's fun as hell.
Dammit. I had to log in to vote. If there was a Vintage forum here to participate in, I might actually post more about Legacy as well (since I usually just lurk and can't be bothered to actually log in). I'm more of a Vintage player anyway and really only started playing Legacy because I couldn't find any one to play Vintage with in my area (luckily this has changed though).
Seeing as to how I am moving the the next couple of week and I looking at growing Vintage in the South (TX/LA/MS area) I think it would be good, because I know there is a Legacy community down there and anything that can help us bridge some players is certainly good. I would certainly post as much as I could, especially posting some tournament info, if I can manage to get something started up.
I am a 1.5 player only. And I do hate all other formats. But Vintage, it's some kind of even more elitist as Legacy. I would like to read about it. Maybe even love it. I do not think I would post anything but I'd really like a Vintage-Subforum to enable us 1.5-only-guys to get into a format even as great as Legacy.
Greetings
I'm not sure. I could probably wrangle a few people into going and doing something off the books for bragging rights. I typically go to off format GPs to support friends/buy and sell/shits and giggles. Problem is GP Boston is actually in Worcester so it depends on how non lazy people are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Yeah. I haven't decided if I'm even going to bother trying to play in the main event or not. I don't really want to, but I'll have 1, maybe 2 byes off planeswalker points, and that'll be the first GP after the new season, so I kind of feel like grinding a few rounds just for the multiplier wouldn't be a horrible idea, so that I'd have something in the books for a GP that I actually want to play in. But between Tedin being up there (Time Vault wants signed very badly) and the fact that TJ's side events are always awesome (loot case ftw), I'm definitely going to be making the trip up.
Shit, Mark and RK are going to be there... definitely making the trip.
Side events are sanctioned ... no proxies ... that being said ...Quote:
Originally Posted by bfeingersh
I believe my name was the only on the sign up sheet for a vintage side event @ GP Atlanta :frown:
When we all get motivated we've been able to get 8 or so out on Sunday for $5-5 proxy vintage here in Atlanta. Nobody has put a ton of effort into promoting it (or printing out entire proxied decks ...).
All that being said, I don't have much interest in posting anything other than tourney reports, general banter and smack talk on a vintage forum. I don't want to talk about decks, I don't want to share decks or anything. For vintage people should be brewing in dark rooms with hoods on.
It's hard to push vintage as a format when most people don't see it as a format for magic the gathering, but an alternate lifestyle choice.
That being said, I'd like to see a vintage format board on here. Thanks to the efforts of Ertai's Familiar and other Boston-area vintage diehards, I've really gotten into the format and I try to show up weekly. Once you get over the initial shock value of plays that can happen, it's really fun and deep. I'll be at GP Boston and I'll sling some vintage if an event fires and my deck is legal (~15 proxy).
I would post. It would definitely be nice to have somewhere to discuss Vintage. :cool:
Sounds like TMD material. Not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedleeds
I know, but they could run unsanctioned with some or all proxies allowed, as long as they set some kind of standard for proxies (unlikely).Quote:
Originally Posted by nedleeds
Was thinking the same thing, probably is the reason he plays complete trash lists as well. Pretty much do not want that attitude around and it has no place on any forum regardless of format.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilb_o
This is why I said off the books, there's usually plenty of table space.Quote:
Originally Posted by bfeingersh
What more do you want? You want in depth deck list discussion? Why? Vintage tourney reports are great fun, reflecting on new sets in a vintage light is also interesting (since some cards are gems in vintage and hot garbage in other formats).Quote:
Originally Posted by bilb_o
Discussing vintage decks is lame. It takes the fun out of the format being the last bastion of degeneracy.