[Deck] Belcher

//NAME: Burning Heat - 3 Option Mix
// Mana
1 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
4 Tinder Wall (Might become Vineyard, don't have to worry about Drain!)
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Land Grant
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox
// land
1 Taiga
1 Bayou
// Broken Stuff
2 Living Wish
3 Tainted Pact
4 Gamble
4 Spoils of the Vault
// Burn j00 out.
4 Goblin Charbelcher
// Protection
4 Goblin Welder
4 Xantid Swarm

I not only goldfish turn 2 and 3 at a good clip with this deck, I still keep Swarm and Welder as a 4-of MD and have more tutoring power than anything else in the enviroment.

Also note that I made this deck in 2 minutes after thinking about it and can probably be impoved upon.

God forbid an optimal list of this and/or Long is created. This format sucks.

Oh, don't forget all the Draw fours that allow you to run a Long esque deck.

What about White and enlightened tutor?

How can this deck run 4 mox diamond with only two land in the deck?

Nm, I misread the list.

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Originally Posted by quicksilver

How can this deck run 4 mox diamond with only two land in the deck?

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it doesnt. ???

Ok... I just ended trying the deck and it's gruesomely overpowered, BUT STILL... if they ban a card I really hope it's charbelcher and not ANY of the tutors or mana acceleration. The same goes to any other combo deck that might come by...

It's kind of strange that with the policy they have of restricting and banning tutors and fast mana that they unbanned so many tutors and fast mana for 1.5. Not that I mind it! I love it! I think we should restrict the bans to key cards in those combos rather than take huge chunks out of the deck. (Not to mention that taking out the fast mana will make this format look TOO MUCH as the other extended).

Whaddya think?

so....hand of landgrant/bayou, dark ritual, esg/lotus petal/dark ritual, LED, charbelcher, and then two other cards (FoW x 2, land grant, etc.) = win ON TURN ONE!!!!

Heh, I have been working on this since about 12:02 and this is the best I can come up with for now. It isn't tuned at all, but its really strong.

// Mana
1 Bayou
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Tinder Wall
4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox
4 Land Grant
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Cabal Ritual
3 Eladamri's Vineyard
4 Chromatic Sphere

//Draw
4 Night's Whisper
4 Spoils of the Vault

//Protection
4 Goblin Welder
4 Duress

//Belcher
4 Goblin Charbelcher

Not having to worry about Workshop->Trinisphere is insane. I have absolutely no idea what the meta will look like after this announcement, so I won't bother with a SB. I expect a lot of decks to pack Null Rod, due to this deck's ridiculousness. That makes me want to side 4 Oxidize, but I am not sure. After the dust settles I will tune it more.

Goldfished it several times, but it seems far more like an average turn 3-4 kill. Yes, I've seen the turn 2 kill, but I was far from able to get that every game, either with or without decent mulliganing. Not saying that the deck isn't strong, but I think the degeneracy you describe is exaggerated. It seems to average out as a turn faster, but far more disruptible combo than Solidarity. I only played it about seven or eight times, so the turn 2 kill might average higher than what I saw, of course.


Also, why do you have this hatred of putting your new decks in the developmental forum?

Off-topic posts deleted. Moved to Developmental because it's... developmental. -Zilla

Man just try mine or Goober's list for like 20 games or so. Your goldfish average should easily be turn 2 or at absolute worst turn 3, if not, something is horribly wrong with whatever your doing. The fact that you'd actually even consider comparing it to Solidarity in the equation is bad unless you actually bother to make it more like old High Tide. Belcher not only can randomly get the turn 1 wins, it'll usually win turn 2 and at -worst- w/o opposing disruption, it will win on turn 3.

It's highly disruptable, except oh, you run Welder and Xantid MD and have the ability to fetch anwsers via Wish and can easily SB in Oxidize and junk vs. Null Rod.

Off-topic commentary deleted. -Zilla



Edited By GodzillA on 1094074719

I just bought a good portion of the deck on cardshark. Has anyone optimized the deck any more? any new ideas, or cuts from the deck?

What do you get with Living Wish?

Goblin Welder or a land or Scavenger Folk (actually, probably Sex Monkey) to take down Chalice of the Void.

What does the sideboard for this deck look like, wish targets and more protection?

Trade the Whispers for Oxidize in my list. If Oxidize is dead then you win the game anyways.

Ok here's what I was playtesting today. I played around 30 games 6 of which I won on turn 1 and 12 of which would have ended turn 2 if I hadn't met disruption. I mulliganed exactly twice.

-MANA-
4 Dark Ritual
2 Cabal Ritual
4 Eladamri's Vineyard
4 Tinder Wall
4 ESG
4 Chrome Mox
4 Lotus Petal
4 Land Grant
4 LED
1 Bayou
1 Taiga
-TUTOR-
4 Gamble
4 Spoils
-KILL-
4 Belcher
-OTHER-
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Night's Whisper (This is my least favorite card in the deck but I think it is necesary)
4 Duress

Ya so this is the coming of the new spoils. Except this one really does roll to control. I find that one force can easily throw the deck off my 3+ turns.

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Originally Posted by Goober

Trade the Whispers for Oxidize in my list. If Oxidize is dead then you win the game anyways.

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This may be one of the least true things anyone has ever said. I'm including Newton's peers claiming that he had left nothing new to discover, and the people that said the New Coke would be around forever.

Belcher will probably be the first card to be banned unless it proves inconsistent or is hated out.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Crowley

Belcher will probably be the first card to be banned unless it proves inconsistent or is hated out.

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Banning Belcher would be akin to putting a bandaid on a severed limb. The culprit is unbanned 0 cost mana sources. Likelihood is that Chrome Mox, Mox Diamond, and Lotus Petal will be the first candidates for banning.