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Just went played another Daily on MtgO and went 4-0 with Same list from the 3-1 daily this morning. Played against CFB Cbalance, RB Goblins, Affinity and ANT. Weeeee for like maybe...probably closer to hour and a half, 2 hours of total play time in both events.
This puts me at 4-0 against CBalance variants on the day.
I'm avoiding kozilek due to the tons of StP/PtE in my meta. Woodfall usually blows up Karakas, meekstone/ensnaring bridge and even lands, but humility is still an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by menace13
Prog is there due to his protection but I agree, he can be sorely lacking at times.
I'll think about testing kozilek due to increase in aggro and aggro control decks.
Well, this new card seems worth a look:
Blightsteel Colossus 12
Artifact Creature - Golem
Trample, infect
Blightsteel Colossus is indestructible.
If Blightsteel Colossus would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, reveal Blightsteel Colossus and shuffle it into its owner's library instead.
Illus. Chris Rahn #99/155 11/11
It will kill immediately after a Sneak Attack unless the opponent can exile it or otherwise keep it from attacking.
Justin you know I've been trying to kick sneak out of sneak attack for a while now but the first thought I had after seeing BC spoiled was how this might give Sneak just what it needs to get it out of tier 2-3. Since it's a one hit kill, Sneaking BC is better than Showing it into play since you win a turn faster. The only problem is that if they leave a creature back then it's worse than a Sneaked Progenitus as giving only 1-9 poisen counters is a near-100% pointless play.
I'm very curious about testing this guy.
There is also a new Trinket Mage variant that fetches an artifact for a CC of 6 or above. Sounds like a good tutor for Blightsteel Colossus.
Colossus definitely looks interesting however, besides removal, the other issue is that it has infect meaning that even if it's blocked, the opponent's life total is unchanged, meaning we need to swing twice with emmy and/or prog.
Couldn't agree more, in addition to it's StP/PtE vulnerability colossus is affected by a cards such as maze of ith or a single toughness 2+ blocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokobotenkai
In my opinion Prog is 1000 times better.
I think the more appropriate comparison would be Kozilek vs Colossus. Though what do you guys think of a 3 way comparison between Kozilek (annihilator and indestrucible) vs Colossus (infect and trample) vs Progenitus (Evasion)?Quote:
Originally Posted by dave8
I Need Emrakul 5-8.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokobotenkai
I think Blightsteel is playable in certain match ups like combo or mirror where there will not be a blocker/bounce/removal or not much in the way of anything else.
Progenitus in the same MUs is sorely lacking compared to Eldrazi sac effects of clearing lands and maybe a mox, also the 15 from Emrakul is relevant to Ad Naus life totals where sometimes 10/12 is just not enough. Distinction of The only creature in the deck that is immune to O-Ring and Karakas-and EVERYTHING- goes to The Soul of the World.
I have tried 1 Kozilek before, reason being a 12/12 is pretty much indestructible and the extra 2 damage may make a difference-small chance- over Ulamog's 10/10.
None of the these aside Progenitus dodges the most common removal Stp/PtE and/or Bounce.
As far as I am concerned Progenitus is the best solution of those 3 because he is just awsome with show and tell, and he is also quite solid with SA as he does 10 damage which cannot be avoided by your opponent. To compare Ulamog (Kozilek is not indestructible) and Colossus I think that it is a meta call. As I said before Colossus is vulnerable to maze of ith and blockers while Ulamog/Kozilek is not. On the other hand Colossus usually attacks once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokobotenkai
That's my issue with Kozilek/Ulamog is that they keep getting hit by StP/PtE/Bounce and even stuff that hits emrakul i.e. Karakas.Quote:
Originally Posted by menace13
I'm running 2 prog as of current (I don't really like to see prog all the time), woodfall is for removal (which I too don't want to see all the time).
What do you guys think about a 3/1 or 2/2 Split of Prog + Koz/Ula?
Just curious, no one tried form of the dragon too right (from the old DD/S&T decks)?
Kozilek/Ulamog/Emrakul are non Karakasable while you have SA in play :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokobotenkai
I personally don't like 2/2 splits in this deck because it has very bad synergy with Intuition.
It's vulnerbility to spot removal may be the downfall of the Colossus, but consider that it can give this deck a turn one kill. An opening hand that includes Anicent Tomb/City of Traitors, Lotus Petal/SSG, Seething Song, Sneak Attack, and Colossus equals good game unless your opponent has an answer. One the play, it wins you the game, unless your oppoent has Force of Will. It can also work with a normal land and two Petals. A "god" hand would be something like the following: Ancient Tomb, Lotus Petal, Seething Song, Sneak Attack, Colossus, Force of Will, any Blue card. The problem is that you won't to get that draw very often.
It might be fun to build and test an ultra-aggressive version of S&T that tries to maximize the chances of getting a turn one Colossus. Even a turn one Show and Tell with this guy is pretty good, if you have Force or Daze backup to keep him alive. An ultra-aggressive deck would include City of Traitors and Ancient Tomb, Lotus Petal and Simian Spirit Guide, and a full set of Seething Song. You could possibly include the new Treasure Mage to fetch Colossus. My guess is that this would not be better than the current version of S&T because you would give up too much consistancy and could not build the ultra-aggresive deck without cutting some key cards such as cantrips and tutors.
Treasure Mage, by the way, would be awesome in this deck if only the Eldrazi were artifact creatuers.
The vulnerability of Colossus may prove to risky to maindeck over Progenitus. However, Colossus might be a good sideboard option against combo and other decks that lack answers to it, because he speeds up your kill a full turn.
If you can "sneak in" Colossus it does not speed up your kill necessarily because an opponent usually cannot recover from a attack from Emrakul especially combo players either. So yes to be precise the kill might be earlier but the win is there nevertheless although the actual kill comes a turn later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
Colossus imho is far to conditional to be useful. I'd rather pack other tools into my sideboard.
I have had 3 different Storm players take 15+ sac their board, only to untap with around 7 cards and storm off in my face with Cantrips,Rits,LEDs,Petals and chained Tutors. The most dangerous are the Chant/Silence lists when they Igg Loop at any amount of life. Blightsteel kills them on the spot, no chance to Untap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekrataal
You aren't boarding out your Emrakuls for it. You are borading out your Progenitus, Woodfall Primus, etc. Colossus clearly kills faster than they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekrataal
Sure but anyhow I see no reason to have the dude SB because I see no problems with fast combo (especially in a to-be-expected-post-Survival-Meta full of CBT). We can play enough counterspells to fend them off a couple of turns. Storming off protected from a cleared board seems more like lucky try. However it is possible but I refuse to take this as the usual matchup outcome. Maybe my list is playing more counterspells than others (there is still fluctuation regarding different players) ...
Hey Guys,
I played for awhile now with the version of DeppChef, posted two sites ago, and really had problems with sideboarding. I never wanted to put out any cards. For example I boarded +4 Leyline of Sanctity, +3 Bloodmoon and +2 Red Elemental Blast vs Doomsday (each of these cards is good vs Doomsday I think), but didn't want to put anything out. And I lost many times, although having boarded hate cards, while I won games 1, 2 or 3 when I didn't sideboard anything...
So my question is, can we afford that much sideboarding, or is our Maindeck just perfect the way it is?
P.S.: First Post :)
Talking to a friend online about Sneak Show, He pointed out a few lists to me.
See what guys think about the lists.
Some different choices were Vendilion Cliques in Main, 2 REBs main, No petals but SSG instead, 2 Tomb/ 2 City split, Sideboards had 2 Magus/ 2 Blood Moon.
1st place, 4th Place, 54 man.
http://f18.aaa.livedoor.jp/~nameless/AMC/AMC_83rd.html
Blog and report in Japanese for a different event and player.
http://35292.diarynote.jp/201101232249132827/
Opportunist Cheats is the translation for Sneak Attack, such a fitting name, Google Translator is awesome.
The Blog mentions that he wanted to splash Black for Seize or maybe splash Wastelands as spells. Also he commented on that he liked SSG over the Petals.
The author of the blog is known as the best ANT/TES player in Japan.
At the blog, he says he wants to cut the whole set of Vendilions for Preordains or other manipulations.
He doesn't say he wants Wastelands, he means he have felt he needed some disruptions like Thoughtseize but he wouldn't sacrifice the constancy of his mana base at all.
What he mentions is the necessary to play around Wastelands