Printable View
Shit is getting way too expensive. That sucks for the format as it prevents especially younger people from starting with tournament play.
For me it has also become increasingly difficult to play up to date decks. Nobody wants to buy Jace, the mind Sculptor due to its high price and Wasteland for example has reached a level where I personally wouldn't buy the card any more.
Ah, another little thing. While you were bitching on the Source for card prices, my friends went to MTG fanatic and bought slightly played Taigas for 50$ (tcg shows it is currently sold between 55-70$) and Volcs for 44$ ( 55$-70$). And I missed Badlands at 35$ (43-60$) for few hours. It's boring to see always the same things repeated on the source when it's obvious that you can search instead of whining and find your bargains. And we don't even have access to all the Usa shops because we are europeans.
I questioned why you thought the prices were "frightening" because paying 90$ on a U.Sea doesn't mean you lose 90$. You get something worth 90$ and likely more in the future. Its like putting money in the bank.
Starcitygames has a great tournament circuit going on, business-wise. I don't know who thought that an implementation of the open series byes was a good idea. All they do is give byes to their SCG regulars/writers. I remember some SCG regular saying all he had to do was 4-0 the legacy portion to get into the top 8 because of 2 byes and then IDs. These writers are consistently in the top 8 because of the easy path SCG has set in front of them. Then, these writers hype up a deck on the SCG website, telling the masses what to buy and what will be "good". SCG can easily horde the cards that the articles mention and raise the price once the article is released. Then next week, these SCG writers top 8 again. Coincidence?
My comment had absolutely nothing to do with the investment and/or collectible side of Magic, but everything to do with the cost on entry, competitve side of Magic. I don't understand where your comment is coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by workingdude
When it comes to getting a stable, good job vs building a competitive legacy deck, I would think getting a good stable job wins out. If they cant afford to put 1000$ in a bank, that also gives them enjoyment and entertainment, they should be getting their life into focus. Legacy was never supposed to be the cheapest format to buy into. It was and is supposed to be the format that has a high entry price, but low upkeep cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal
I don't even understand what you're talking about. I never mentioned anything about what job you have or how much money you make, because that's missing the entire point. It's not about "well, I can afford, why can't you?", it's about "hey, even though I may be able to afford it, I understand that there are many that cannot." Pretty much every post I've read in here that are okay with skyrocking prices are just recycling reasons/justifications that I read on themanadrain. And yes, Legacy can most certainly follow down the same path as Vintage is card prices continue to rise at the rate they have been.
Well eveyone could just go play standard.....hold on......tier one decks cost a thousand to build as well! In the end the arguements are moot, all the formats are expensive. If you want to get the best investment you go with legacy at this point because your cards will hold value or if you decide to get out you will make money on your investment.
Most players are students? How do they get started in legacy if they dont have the staples or only have some?
There seems to be a lot of roundabout discussion centered around the fact that
a. you can be involved with MTG for the sole purpose of playing
b. you can be involved with MTG for the sole purpose of collecting.
Either way both sides need to appreciate they are both parts of the overall game.
So deal with it.
Dsck, I'm a student and I play legacy.I only spend roughly 40 eur a month on Mtg, and in the last two years I got back into Mtg I collected some cards, enough to build Landstill UBGw,each other Landstill version, and Aluren. I did, everybody with a minimum of money to spend on a hobby can. If you can't, don't play Mtg. Stop.
I'm quite bad at currency conversion. What is 40 euros in US dollars? What are staples going for on average over where you live versus USA?
40 eur are roughly 60$. Duals here are increasing in price here too, with the most useless ones going up to 35 eur each ( Scrubland and Badlands) others without blue 35-45 eur, blue ones 45-50 eur, Underground 60-70 eur. They go pretty much same price of the rest of the world or slightly cheaper. The fact is that I bought most of the staples I own here (as they cost a bit less) and utilities in USA from various e shops or ebay.com ( utilities overseas cost far far less than here).
edit: various staples though were bought before the prices explosion. I remember I got my Tundras (currently own 3) for 25 eur (40$ roughly) maybe 6-8 months ago. Seas for 45 eur (65$) 4-6 months ago. I guess I have been lucky though.
[QUOTE=workingdude;531896]I questioned why you thought the prices were "frightening" because paying 90$ on a U.Sea doesn't mean you lose 90$. You get something worth 90$ and likely more in the future. Its like putting money in the bank.
QUOTE]
QFT!
Seriously, investing in Legacy (up untli now) woul dhave been way more profitable then stocks or real estate. I offer the same rationaliztion to my wife. I'm not trying to get rich off of magic cards or anything, but if you are smart you will walk away with more then you put in.
Still Legacy is rarely a bad investment. Like some before stated, get used to "buying in". At the moment, T2 or extended is not "cheaper" in general, so you can't argue with that. Vintage on the other hand surely is more expensive and less attended.
For what its worth, who walks away? Even though I have almost all of the playable legacy cards, I doubt I will ever make money as I will probably never sell them. The way to make money is to buy with the intention of selling later. I bought to get a collection. Selling never went in the equation. I imagine that there are quite a few others out there like me. In some real sense, my lack of cards for sale removes them from the market, creating a smaller supply.
Put a better way. How many of you are going to cash out right now? How about if dual lands increased another 25%? ect. I doubt that legacy staples will ever achieve prices that would make me consider selling. That is the real issue here.
I'm also a student, and I've walked away 3 times. I've always bought back in, built the deck I wanted to play, and it's always been a profitable decision. I do get student loans, and government assistance, and I could spend that money on food, hookers, and blow, but I don't. I sold out this summer!, and in using some of that money on MTG, and after rebuilding over the year, I have playsets of the Legacy staples. In just 6 months, the cards I bought are now worth more, and I've made a profit.
Legacy is the best format in magic, and people are finally starting to realize this. What it took, was some initiative on the part of people who knew this, to buy Force of Wills when they were 40 dollars. The lazy people, who didn't realize those prices were reasonable, don't profit. That seems fair.
PS: I bought a set of Mint FOWs September of last year for 100$ on ebay shipped. Things change quickly.
I stopped playing Standard after Shards rotated. Traded my Koths and Primeval Titans (when valued at $40+) for Tarmogoyfs and Forces of Will.
Never looked back.
I wanted a format where I could always play combo :)
I cashed out partially. I cashed in all my vintage stuff (except the lotuses) and a lot of my extra Legacy stuff that wasn't part of my playsets. I put a heck of a down payment down on a house. Fair trade it seems since I ended up with one really, really cheap payment and I can use the extra to buy cards! lol
It's tempting to cash completely out and have no mortgage at all.
If anyone cares (since this is almost the bitch about dual land prices thread), but there's a litter of duals for $50 with shipping each on ebay right now.
Man, I read this and then look at my mortgage. Isn't it awesome to live in a place where houses are affordable? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by dahcmai