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the deck has the potential to win at instant speed via cunning wish, so playing around an o ring trigger or a vensur trigger isnt terrible. The problem is resolving S&T in that match. This deck offers little against that except Defense grid which has been mentioned to be effective but idk if its effective enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauce
It seems like maybe Forcing the SDT/CB is correct in that matchup, because they can cack a lot of your cantrips. I let both resolve but I regretted it down the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by apple713
CB seems like the better choice if you hve to choose 1, since they still have a lot of 1 drops in their deck to randomly flip without top.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauce
Top is pretty bad too though since it offers them a lot of card selection and the games usually go long unless you have the nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by apple713
Am i doing something wrong? I can't beat an esper stoneblade or a deathblade deck.
The discard and the counters become overwhelming.
Try slowing down or speeding up. Try using Brainstorm more defensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
Ya tried that too...even going as far as their turn BS just to hide a show and tell and ETI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
But the problem gets worse game 2.
The opponent, i swear, kept casting discard spells 3 turns in a row. At one point, I finally got an omniscience on board, but I had to keep drawing from topdeck for the win con. That was my only victory.
I assume you're already boarding into Leyline of Sanctity; in which case, you should mulligan more aggressively to find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
If you're going all that, and still not coming up with a victory; not sure how we can help. Practice until you're blue in the face.
Or blue in the hair. It seems to help AJ Sacher win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
against UB would you suggest going Defense grid or discard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
I mean you can't dilute your deck so much where you are boarding in 6-7 cards.
Not enough info. Does not parse. Try being more detailed in your scenarios if you want focused advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
I'm using the stock list from the OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
The opponent, was playing esperblade, the non-deathblade version. So that player has 4-5 discard spells and 4 FOW and I believe another 3 spell pierces and a counterspell.
The next opponent plays the deathblade version with 5 discard and 3 FOW MD.. 1 FOW from the side, 1 more discard from the side, and 1-2 flusterstorms.
How would you go about handling these decks.
And I'm done. If you can't bother to read, then we can't help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lejay
Tried that...still getting my ass whooped by these decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
Reading your posts from last page, I would advise you to play another deck. That is probably the only way to solve the problem.
Time will allow you beat both their discard spells (if you don't find Leyline) and their taxing counters. You have more hard counters than they do. They're not a particularly fast clock.
Which annoying permanents could Miracles bring in except for Detention Sphere?Quote:
Originally Posted by sauce
Miracles is probably the easiest matchup out there. It has no clock and has to deal with a high threat density. You need to resolve 1 spell to win (SnT into Omni/Halls or Dream Halls itself into EtI). Hence, they have to counter everything.
Without a clock you can basically do whatever you want and sculpt your hand to a perfect winning hand. Except for Jace and CBalance, Miracles is also not able to generate CA. And even Jace doesn't really hinder you from winning, CBalance does (at least it blocks your cantrips which is annoying).
Against Miracles, I was basically slamming my SnTs right away, baiting counters. Then the DreamHalls with double-backup was too much. Both g1 and g2 went this way.
However, discard strategies, Death and Taxes and Reanimator-strategies (Animator & Dredge) are good against OmniHalls. Since these decks are prominent, DreamHalls probably won't dominate the format, but it's still probably the most resilient SnT deck one can play.
It sounds like either the Miracles players you played against were bad or had bad lists. What hate permanents do we care about? Only the deadly trifecta of Counterbalance, Ethersworn Canonist, and Meddling Mage (with a light seasoning of Oblivion Ring). Even the bad lists have some Geists for a quick clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adan
I've tested a lot against Miracles and I feel like it's unfavorable (although not unwinnable). Sometimes they just don't have the right numbers on top, and hopefully you can keep the bears off the table. With all the hate permanents they can bring to bear off Show and Tell, I think the correct plan is to focus on resolving Dream Halls.
d.sphere and venser are annoying, post board oring and white leylines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adan
i basically was not sure if i should counter cb and i let it stick because i was pretty certain w/ only a few 3 drops they are not going to get there but the problem is also our cantrips being dead and them having red blasts. it's hard to get all the pacts/fows when your cantrips dont resolve i guess.
they can also put FoW on top for dream halls.
g1 is easy but it gets worse g2 and g3. I should have countered cb or top, I am leaning towards cb.
I would not call Miracle the easiest matchup, but of course the only clock that they really have is the CB lock. Counterbalance is more than annoying though in my experience. Not cantripping can be gamebreaking and they can counter cmc3 & cmc5, but much easier is cmc0, so defense grid does not always help you if they can counter once and then use counterbalance to counter your counters. Also don't forget the popular maindeck vendilion cliques and venser.
But coming back to the question of Leyline versus Esper. It is a really easy decision against them KobeBryan. Their thoughtseize with snapcaster for thoughtseize and vendilion clique is the best way for them to win so the Leyline gets the nod over defense Grid. They still have at least 4 FoW, 3 Spell Pierce and many people (including me) 2 Flusterstorm so some time has to be dedicated to sculpt a good hand including significant backup but this is easier than beating the discard. The newest deathblade builds do have the mana ramp for a turn 2 vindicate on leyline to use their discard in turn 3 or make other strong proactive plays like a confidant to put significant pressure on us in terms of drawing too much hate and having a much faster clock than the old builds. As I said before what makes decks like esper so strong is their ability to adapt and their consistency. So if I would play esper expecting omniclash I would have a plan to win through a Leyline and surely a positive matchup. What omniclash can do very good is punish people for coming not prepared but if an experienced pilot comes prepared and you are not a master of omniclash yourself KobeBryan don’t be surprised to get your ass kicked. What you can do is practice more and make the appropriate deck choice. I never play any show variant (and optimally any deck) which people prepare for. If a fast Delver deck packs counters and discard life gets really hard for any combo deck – even despite leyline. Golgari charm is pretty good right now and as well.
According to the Mai DTB matchup Reanimator, dredge and death and taxes (on ranks 12 - 14) are not really popular. Discard is very popular with Esper, Jund and Team America raking 2, 4 and 6. In terms of beeing most resilient to manadenial and taxing counters I agree with omniclash beeing better than sneak and show. But sneak and show packing 2-3 misdirections and 2-3 pierces maindeck plus the 4 leylines does have way more resilience against discard. It can also just slam down a sneak attack and cantrip and does not need to assemble a 3 card combo in the hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adan