[Deck] Dark Depths

Heyall! If anyone is interested, here's what I'll be rocking at the SCG this weekend:
Land:
1 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Brass
2 Gemstone Mine
4 Thespian's Stage
4 Dark Depths
1 Okina, Temple to the Grandfathers
1 Sejiri Steppe
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
1 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Vampire Hexmage
4 Sylvan Scrying
4 Expedition Map
4 Into the North
4 Crop Rotation
4 Pithing Needle
4 Not of This World
4 Lotus Petal
2 Fling

Sideboard—probably something like this:
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Karakas
4 Ashen Rider
4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Seal of Primordium
1 Tabernacle/Ghost Quarter/Tower of the Magistrate
(GQ helps against Karakas/Wasteland, and Tower helps against blocking Baleful Strixs and slows down Batterskull. There's a good chance one/both of these should actually make it to the main deck.)
Thanks!

I've been playing a slower version of Dark Depths with a strong land theme. In the current metagame, I prefer this strategy over the Hexmage approach.

2 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4 Wasteland
1 Horizon Canopy
3 Bayou
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Barren Moor
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Cabal Pit
1 Swamp
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Forest
1 Treetop Village
1 Dark Depths
1 Karakas
3 Maze of Ith
1 Rishadan Port
3 Thespian's Stage

4 Mox Diamond
3 Crop Rotation
3 Exploration
4 Life from the Loam
4 Smallpox
1 Crucible of Worlds
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Nether Spirit
1 Worm Harvest

Sideboard

4 Mindbreak Trap
2 Zuran Orb
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Massacre
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Golgari Charm
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Perish
1 Darkblast
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Maelstrom Pulse

The first cards I would remove from the maindeck are Exploration #3, Nether Spirit, Horizon Canopy, Crucible of Worlds, and Tabernacle #2 in that order. Possible replacements include Dark Depths #2, Entomb, Rishadan Port #2, Crop Rotation #4, and Thespian's Stage #4. The sideboard has a large number of single removal spells, because they all have unique applications and steep diminishing returns. I play Treetop Village over Mishra's Factory, because it can kill Jace in one attack.

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Originally Posted by legacyplayer0

I've been playing a slower version of Dark Depths with a strong land theme. In the current metagame, I prefer this strategy over the Hexmage approach.

2 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4 Wasteland
1 Horizon Canopy
3 Bayou
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Barren Moor
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Cabal Pit
1 Swamp
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Forest
1 Treetop Village
1 Dark Depths
1 Karakas
3 Maze of Ith
1 Rishadan Port
3 Thespian's Stage

4 Mox Diamond
3 Crop Rotation
3 Exploration
4 Life from the Loam
4 Smallpox
1 Crucible of Worlds
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Nether Spirit
1 Worm Harvest

Sideboard

4 Mindbreak Trap
2 Zuran Orb
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Massacre
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Golgari Charm
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Perish
1 Darkblast
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Maelstrom Pulse

The first cards I would remove from the maindeck are Exploration #3, Nether Spirit, Horizon Canopy, Crucible of Worlds, and Tabernacle #2 in that order. Possible replacements include Dark Depths #2, Entomb, Rishadan Port #2, Crop Rotation #4, and Thespian's Stage #4. The sideboard has a large number of single removal spells, because they all have unique applications and steep diminishing returns. I play Treetop Village over Mishra's Factory, because it can kill Jace in one attack.

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I can tell you right away, mindbreak trap is close to useless against storm. It's only really uses are against All Spells and Belcher. You're better off including some thoughtseize or raven's crime. An entomb package to get raven's crime could also be useful maindeck. Extra vampires and depths sideboard have been great also to finish the game quickly against fast combo as well to compliment your discard. Discard + do nothing does nothing lol

Mac Ansbro just entreat'ed Haas in response a decay targeting his top... why did he miracle if it wasnt his first draw? He just stole the game to haas

Went 6-3 at SCG Columbus over the weekend with my above list, ended up in 40something place. Lost a tough game 3 in round 9, had I won that I believe I would've made top 16 (opponent who beat me last round got 17 and I believe my breakers were better). All in all, had a blast, and deck performed extremely well. If anyone wants a writeup just say so :)

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Originally Posted by Okapikid

Went 6-3 at SCG Columbus over the weekend with my above list, ended up in 40something place. Lost a tough game 3 in round 9, had I won that I believe I would've made top 16 (opponent who beat me last round got 17 and I believe my breakers were better). All in all, had a blast, and deck performed extremely well. If anyone wants a writeup just say so :)

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I would be extremely interested in your report! Right now I'm playing a GB loam version (started brewing before Jund Depths won couple weeks ago). I'm also interested in an all-in combo version too!

I tried posting in the lands.deck to get some help, then posted in the "jund" depths because I thought it was referring to colors, and now have come full circle back to here since the deck at its heart is a dedicated combo deck.


Spells - 29

3 Entomb
4 Crop Rotation
4 Life from the Loam
1 flame jab
1 raven's crime
4 Exploration
4 Vampire Hexmage
4 Mox Diamond
4 Gamble

Lands - 31
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
4 Dark Depths
4 Thespian's Stage
1 Maze of Ith
1 Riftstone Portal
1 Karakas
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 City of Brass
3 Gemstone Mine
1 Bojuka Bog


SB: 4 Sphere of Resistance
SB: 4 Chalice of the Void
SB: 2 Seal of Primordium
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 3 Golgari Charm




I did very well at our LGS tonight. Its very small but I went 3-0-1

UWR Delver - 2-0

game 1 he fetched for batter skull with SFM and I wasteland locked him. He never got the batter skull into play and I loamed into the combo while wasting him.

- karakas - bojuka bog - flame jab - ravens crime +2 grip +2 Seal

game 2 i played exploration t1 and made t2 token. It got swords and I loamed the combo back over and over till it got him.

Miracles - 1-1-1

Game 1 He played out counterbalance top and I get there cause he fails to find a swords.

- bojuka - flame jab - riftstone - loam +2 seal +2 grip

Game 2 (craziest game i've played in a long time) I start out slow but its fine cause he's slow too. He drops a counterbalance and I grip it. I'm struggling to find the second piece of my combo and he has me on a clock with vendilion. His vendilion took a crop rotation (i think). I end up finding the combo but I know that he has a humility on top of his deck cause it flipped to a previous counterbalance. He swords it and drops a jace. I try to reassemble combo pieces with loam but he drops rest in peace and a blood moon on the same turn. I don't sweat it because I draw into a gamble, and get a krosan grip. he fate seals something to the bottom and I draw into a seal. cast seal, then he casts humility. He's committed to the jace plan and I'm desperately needing a hexmage. I seal his moon and grip his humility but cannot get to my combo before his jace wins. I gambled for a hexmage the turn before jace's ultimate but i lost that gamble. I had gambled 2 times earlier this game and came out favorably.

Game 3 we start at time. I end up with an amazing hand. T1 exploration into 2 lands, t2 depths and wasteland, I attempt to crop rotate for the stage to make my token and win on my next turn but he brainstorms into a force and foils my plans. Match ends in a time


Esper blade 2-0

game 1 I come out fast t3 token and he can't find a swords to save him.

- jab - karakas - bojuka - riftstone +2 seal +2 grip

Game 2 we are both durdling bad. I've got loam with wastelands so he ends up with a bunch of basics. He puts me on a clock with TNN. I have to make the token into a swords to buy me time. I loam the combo back out 2 turns later and tap down his white with ports to win it. He's holding 2 swords in hand.


Big Zoo 2-1

game 1 I punt hard, very hard. I got greedy and tried to play exploration t1 but I couldn't take advantage of the extra land drops. I fumble around and he wastelands my only colored source FTW. I should have entombed into a loam and started loaming. I could have played exploration after t1 and taken advantage of it.

- bojuka - karakas - ravens crime - riftstone - loam +2 seals + 3 COTV (didn't need the seals)

Game 2 I start out with Mox Mox wasteland and COTV @ 1. t2 I drop hexmage because he's safe from removal. t3 I draw depths make the token and swing on the following.

Game 3 I just dominate him. he drops savannah and nacatal, I drop wasteland and take it. he plays a land and passes, I drop a city of brass. he plays noble heir arch and attacks. EOT i entomb a flame jab. I'm able to pick off his noble with jab and wasteland him. The nacatal bites the dust next turn and I dredge into the combo.



There are some flex spots and I'm not sure of what to do with them. I really like how the deck is playing right now. I remember when I said that loam is too slow for this deck but with mox's and explorations loam is very quick and quite a nice addition. It the perfect card for games that go longer than desired. Gamble is simply amazing. I'll gamble for anything I need and usually it pays off.

I consider the flex spots to be, ravens crime, flame jab, riftstone portal, maze of ith. Karakas and bojuka are not necessary main but in competitive meta's they should be in as a 1 of because of Crop rotation.

I'd like to improve my miracles matchup but I'm not sure thats possible. I dread playing D&T too because i would imagine its much like the miracles matchup. Golgari charm helps there a lot.

I didn't play against any combo decks but Spheres and chalices are great against them and My deck is very quick so its a good race. Their disruption typically doesn't interact with me.


I cut some mazes of ith, glacial chasm, and barren moor from the deck before the tournament because I felt like they were unnecessary since the speed of the deck is very quick.

The deck has many many ways to make an early token and can even do so on t1. Between wasteland, port, and loam, the deck solves most of its problems (opposing wastelands, swords, karakas, maze of ith). The issues the deck now faces are other decks winning faster, me not being able to solve a problem (such as ensnaring bridge) before they win the race, and fighting through tokens. I know fling is one option but i don't know if will be more beneficial than the current SB. If there was a fling with flashback, that would be a different story and be an auto include.

Here's what I played to 6-3 (42nd?) at SCG Columbus last weekend (lost game 3 of round 9 to prob miss top 16):

MARITOCRACY
1 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Brass
2 Gemstone Mine
4 Thespian's Stage
4 Dark Depths
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Sejiri Steppe
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
1 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Vampire Hexmage
4 Sylvan Scrying
4 Expedition Map
4 Into the North
4 Crop Rotation
4 Pithing Needle
4 Not of This World
4 Lotus Petal
2 Fling

Sideboard:
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Fling
4 Ashen Rider
4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Seal of Primordium

Rd 1: Affinity
This matchup is meh—they have life gain (vault skirge & Tez), and flying chump blockers that Sejiri Steppe doesn't get through (I decided against Tower of the Magistrate in the 75 the day before, didn't expect any Affinity). Games were close, but he squeaked them out. Not an ideal start.
(1-2)
*0-1

Rd 2: Reanimator
Game 1 he reanimates an Inkwell Leviathan. I don't play islands and "mine's bigger."
Game 2 he counters my hexmage early, I bojuka bog him early, then he has to cast exhume. I crop rotation for depths, exhume my hexmage, and that's it.
(2-0)
*1-1

Rd 3: Affinity again
Game 1 I roll him,
Game 2 I think I've got it locked up and he peels Ensnaring bridge, proceeds to destroy me with signal pest + cranial plating.
Game 3 He rips the bridge again, but I've got dat fling ...
(2-1)
*2-1

Rd 4: Omnitell
Game 1 I kill him on turn two (go-go sicko Lotus Petal X2 + depths + hexmage ...)
Game 2 I mull to 6 and keep almost no combo but Ashen Rider + Seal. Pays off. He plays S&T on turn 2, my Ashen Rider eats his Omniscience and he doesn't have a response (whew). On turn 5 he cantrips a few then goes for it again now that I'm threatening lethal with Ashen Rider + Hexmage (the hard way ...), he puts in Omniscience (with 2 cards in hand) and I put in Seal of Primordium, he reads it, sighs, then casts Cunning wish. I respond by destroying Omniscience, he scoops.
(2-0)
*3-1

Rd 5: Miracles
Game 1 I go off early, he tops and tries to Terminus on my turn to get rid of Marit Lage, Fling sends my 20/20 to his head rather than the bottom of my library.
Game 2 was ridiculous. At one point I had Pithing Needles on JTMS, SDT and Karakas. He STPd two tokens (Forcing a Not of this World by pitching a Force at one point), before the third token took him down. Props to my opponent for paying enough attention to not side in Rest in Peace (since I think I was the only person in the room playing this combo and not running Loam).
(2-0)
*4-1

Rd 6: Reanimator (Thomas Graves, who would go on to Win, off-camera feature match)
This was my worst match of the day, and the only time I punted. Game 1 I go for hexdepths early, he forced my hexmage. He's locked on just an island, but my Urborg lets him entomb/reanimate Griselbrand. I asked him how he was casting entomb off an island, he points at my Urborg, I blush (just recently added Urborg to the deck ...). I still felt that I played that part correctly, just didn't work out
Game 2 I've got an expedition map in play. At the end of his turn two he moves to discard, I say ok, he discards, then I attempt to activate my map, which he points out (absolutely correctly) that I can't do. I'm usually super talkative in my matches, and he was mono-stoneface, and I think it kinda ruffled me. He was a perfectly fine cat, I simply wasn't paying enough attention and I goofed. It probably didn't matter in the long run, just frustrating to make such a blatant mistake. He played well, and deserved the trophy :)
ALSO: If I have Karakas in my 75, this game probably goes my way. I was hesitant to drop the cash for it (almost costs as much as the rest of this deck combined ...) but it's def worth it. I'm comfortable cutting the (borrowed) Tabernacle completely at this point, but Karakas is necessary.
(0-2)
*4-2

Rd 7: U/R Delver
Game 1 I attack for lethal on turn three, searching for Sejiri Steppe to get through his delver. This matchup is rough for him, especially b/c opponents almost always side in submerge, and I run all of 1 forest (for that reason).
Game 2 he comes out fast, with t1 goblin guide, turn 2 delver, turn three delver. It's his guide, flipped delver and unflipped delver attacking into my token, and I'm at 11 (he played a Price of Progress the turn before). I block the flyer, take 3 to put me to 8, and the last two cards in his hand are PoP + PoP for exactsies.
Game 3 I play through two Dazes with Spirit Guides (THE FEELS) and make short work of it. He has two submerges in hand, but they COST SO MUCH MANA ... :D
(2-1)
*5-2

RD 8: Manaless Dredge
I rejoice about winning my second die roll of the day. LOL.
He goes on the draw, discards Phantasmagorian. I make a 20/20 on turn two. He kills me on his turn two. I was amazed. (Phantasmagorian discarded 6, then he cycled street wraith, Dread Returned a Balustrade Spy, Flayer of the Hatebounded my face off.
Game 2 I skillfully go on the draw, and Bojuka Bog all the things.
Game 3 he skillfully goes on the draw, but I still Bojuka Bog all the things. Love that deck, but it's SB games must be incredibly demoralizing.
(2-1)
*6-2

Rd 9: RUG Delver
We decide to play b/c we should both be guaranteed top 64.
Game 1 I keep a solid one, he drops two early Goyfs and slows me down with Stifle on Thespian's Stage (correctly), then another Stifle on it next turn, the Ice's my token (fire/ice), then FIREs my for lethal after attacking. I love his build, haven't seen Fire/Ice in a minute.
Game 2 I ESG through a Daze and Not of This World an Ice to get in for lethal. We're at the front table playing an interesting matchup, so that gets a good laugh :)
Game 3 I mull to a questionable 5, and can't make a game out of it. At one point I Crop Rotation for a Bojuka bog on my own graveyard to prevent lethal from two Goyfs, but my hand was never getting there. Only bad hand of the day, but sure did count :)
(1-2)
*6-3
(My opponent ended up 17th)

All in all, great day, deck performed fantastically. I need a Karakas somewhere, but aside from that don't think I'd change much of the 75.
All my opponents were great peeps as well.

Im embarrassed I ever made this post

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Originally Posted by BadLegacyPlayer

What about that Jund depths deck? I just consider a deck based around a non basic land kinda on/off. Non basics can get surgical extracted/extripated. And its an instant so its on top of the stack before life from the loam. Wasteland is also a 4 of in most competitive decks. I am not a big fan of combo/bomby deck. There is a reason why Delver variants are still on top. Even sneak and show which is better than most combo decks is still very hit or miss.

However, If you want to play the deck I would suggest using the following strategy. I would use mono black build. I would use Aether Vial to make sure Hexmage doesnt get countered. Use Cabal Therapy turn one turn two cast a hexmage and sac it to cabal therapy. Drop Dark Depths second turn. Have some counter backup. I think you should just kinda rip off sneak and show. Have some cantrips, some counter/discard. Maybe something like this

4 cabal therapies
4 Drain Life
4 Hymn to tourach
4 Hexmage
4 Damnations
4 Diabolic Edict
4 Duress
4 Aether Vial
4 Nether Spirits
4 Dark Confidants
12 Swamp
4 Dark Depths
12 creatures have a 2 casting so you can vial them in. The drain lifes is to gain life in case of a grindy game because of Confidant life loss. 12 discard spells is pretty sufficent. You can safely deal with True name nemesis and delver. You need an alternate win because the gig is up once they see Hexmage. In the sideboard is an alternate win package plus 4 more thoughtseizes and extripate if you are expecting a grindy matchup. You have a possibility of removing 16 threats with that card. I am not trying to reanimate Griselbrand because I can easily cast it late game or vial it in. Corrupt give you more cushioning. Try it out

Sideboard(Alternate Win)
4 extripate
4 Griselbrands
3 Corrupt
4 Thoughtseize

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You are trolling rite? Or maybe just living up to your name?

***EDIT - just told my wife about your post. She lol'd and said "just dont suck bro"

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Originally Posted by apple713

You are trolling rite? Or maybe just living up to your name?

***EDIT - just told my wife about your post. She lol'd and said "just dont suck bro"

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You and your wife can go sit on it. So sue me, I made a deck that was trying to be experimental. we all build bad decks. I am sorry I am not as good as magic as you. Not all of us can be LSV's or Jon Finkels. But then again, that is why I do magic as a hobby. I am not that good at it. I will admit it. But dont be a jerk about it.

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Originally Posted by BadLegacyPlayer

You and your wife can go sit on it. So sue me, I made a deck that was trying to be experimental. we all build bad decks. I am sorry I am not as good as magic as you. Not all of us can be LSV's or Jon Finkels. But then again, that is why I do magic as a hobby. I am not that good at it. I will admit it. But dont be a jerk about it.

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your deck has cards that work against itself. You can't run that many creatures if you plan to use nether spirit effectively. If you are playing with confidant having damnations isn't the best option. Drain life is a very poor choice for life gain. Your list only contains 56 cards. You are playing mono black with 0 liliana of the veil. Your land count is 12 (mana producing lands). Even if you added 4 urborgs to your deck to make it tournament legal, you still wouldn't ave enough lands to cast a damnation when you need it. Cabal therapy is great with nether spirit, but not with hexmage as you indicated.


Basically what I'm saying is as a legacy player the community expects you to have a general knowledge of the game and sense of synergy. Your deck lacks synergy. It lacks thought, and you haven't tested it at all. You haven't even proof read your list to make sure the list was a legal 60 cards.

TLDR : GTFO

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Originally Posted by apple713

your deck has cards that work against itself. You can't run that many creatures if you plan to use nether spirit effectively. If you are playing with confidant having damnations isn't the best option. Drain life is a very poor choice for life gain. Your list only contains 56 cards. You are playing mono black with 0 liliana of the veil. Your land count is 12 (mana producing lands). Even if you added 4 urborgs to your deck to make it tournament legal, you still wouldn't ave enough lands to cast a damnation when you need it. Cabal therapy is great with nether spirit, but not with hexmage as you indicated.


Basically what I'm saying is as a legacy player the community expects you to have a general knowledge of the game and sense of synergy. Your deck lacks synergy. It lacks thought, and you haven't tested it at all. You haven't even proof read your list to make sure the list was a legal 60 cards.

TLDR : GTFO

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hey dude, I thought this was expiremental meaning I can have a brief sketch/outline but it still needs alot of work. I understand synergy. I have card knowledge. There are pretty good builds out there. How about that Jund depths deck. That seems to be doing well. Yes, it was a bad idea. I had a bad idea, deal with it. Big deal, I had 56 cards. Arrest me magic police. I wouldnt even dare take it to an LGS/event. I would net deck if something was on the line. I thought ok vampire hexmage/ dark depths. Let me put my favorite black cards in their. Ill be damned how it flows. Originally I had Bitterblossom. Is it deck synergy? Hell no but I love that card. Like I said, If i want to do well, I would net deck. Whats that new deck, Meritocracy? That has like 20 land tutors, The spirit guides, dark depths, and that land that copies it? And some other stuff. That is a good idea. Those ideas are way better than anything I could come up with. But i thought to hell with it, I will say the first thing that pops into my head. I understand how to play magic dude. I just didnt think the Magic Nazis would police me. i apologize for misunderstanding what i thought the forum was. So kiss my grits.

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hey dude, I thought this was expiremental meaning I can have a brief sketch/outline but it still needs alot of work. I understand synergy. I have card knowledge. There are pretty good builds out there. How about that Jund depths deck. That seems to be doing well. Yes, it was a bad idea. I had a bad idea, deal with it. Big deal, I had 56 cards. Arrest me magic police. I wouldnt even dare take it to an LGS/event. I would net deck if something was on the line. I thought ok vampire hexmage/ dark depths. Let me put my favorite black cards in their. Ill be damned how it flows. Originally I had Bitterblossom. Is it deck synergy? Hell no but I love that card. Like I said, If i want to do well, I would net deck. Whats that new deck, Meritocracy? That has like 20 land tutors, The spirit guides, dark depths, and that land that copies it? And some other stuff. That is a good idea. Those ideas are way better than anything I could come up with. But i thought to hell with it, I will say the first thing that pops into my head. I understand how to play magic dude. I just didnt think the Magic Nazis would police me. i apologize for misunderstanding what i thought the forum was. So kiss my grits.

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you are posting in new and developmental decks. I think you are better off posting at the link below


http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/f...d-Budget-Forum

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...Game 2 we are both durdling bad. I've got loam with wastelands so he ends up with a bunch of basics. He puts me on a clock with TNN. I have to make the token into a swords to buy me time. I loam the combo back out 2 turns later and tap down his white with ports to win it. He's holding 2 swords in hand....

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Hmm. Why didnt he use his swords in response to port?

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Originally Posted by jhhdk

Hmm. Why didnt he use his swords in response to port?

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I port him during his upkeep and make token EOT.

Even if he could use the 2 swords I'd have more than enough life to survive through making a token every 2 turns. Loam is good in these situations. Kinda renders the swords to plowshares useless unless they have 10 damage to deal you each turn... and still you'd probably come out the victor.

I realize that giving you 40 life may not have been a good long term plan, but he would have had another 4 rounds to dig for an answer.
He COULD have StP'ed your token in resp to port.

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I realize that giving you 40 life may not have been a good long term plan, but he would have had another 4 rounds to dig for an answer.
He COULD have StP'ed your token in resp to port.

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I apologize if i did not explain the situation well. His turn starts. I port his plains during his upkeep. His end of turn happens and I make my token. I attack on my turn. He doesn't have an opportunity to swords the token because it's never in play when he has white mana available.

I understand now, that sure took a while. I applaud your patience, if you quietly thought "How can anyone be so stupid" I can certainly understand.

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Originally Posted by jhhdk

I understand now, that sure took a while. I applaud your patience, if you quietly thought "How can anyone be so stupid" I can certainly understand.

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nah, My wife tells me i speak all jumbled up and out of order sometimes and I just took it for that since I wrote the tournament report at like 2am