Oracle Opposition

was thinking more about a Bant build:

// 60 Maindeck
// 2 Artifact
2 Winter Orb

// 24 Creature
4 Coiling Oracle
3 Elvish Visionary
3 Wirewood Symbiote
2 Dryad Arbor
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Gilded Goose
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Quirion Ranger
3 Birds of Paradise
1 Archon of Valor's Reach

// 3 Enchantment
3 Opposition

// 4 Instant
4 Brainstorm

// 18 Land
4 Gaea's Cradle
3 Tropical Island
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Snow-Covered Forest
2 Savannah

// 5 Planeswalker
3 Oko, Thief of Crowns
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Teferi, Time Raveler

// 4 Sorcery
4 Green Sun's Zenith


// 15 Sideboard
// 3 Creature
SB: 1 Scavenging Ooze
SB: 1 Collector Ouphe
SB: 1 Reclamation Sage

// 4 Enchantment
SB: 2 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 2 Rest in Peace

// 8 Instant
SB: 4 Veil of Summer
SB: 2 Force of Vigor
SB: 2 Swords to Plowshares


and in BUG:

// 60 Maindeck
// 2 Artifact
2 Winter Orb

// 24 Creature
4 Coiling Oracle
3 Elvish Visionary
2 Wirewood Symbiote
1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
2 Dryad Arbor
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Gilded Goose
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Quirion Ranger
2 Birds of Paradise
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage

// 3 Enchantment
3 Opposition

// 4 Instant
4 Brainstorm

// 18 Land
4 Gaea's Cradle
3 Tropical Island
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Bayou
2 Snow-Covered Forest

// 5 Planeswalker
3 Oko, Thief of Crowns
2 Garruk Wildspeaker

// 4 Sorcery
4 Green Sun's Zenith


// 15 Sideboard
// 3 Creature
SB: 1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
SB: 1 Tolsimir, Friend to Wolves
SB: 1 Collector Ouphe

// 3 Enchantment
SB: 2 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 1 Leyline of the Void

// 6 Instant
SB: 3 Abrupt Decay
SB: 3 Veil of Summer

// 3 Sorcery
SB: 3 Thoughtseize

Thinking I might give this a go tonight. I don't have a Tolsimir though. Maybe a Thragtusk? Or a Master of the Wild Hunt?

You don't need him at all. :) run a force of will or two in the sb in case of combo matchups if you want.

We've also been tinkering around a lot with once upon a time builds on the discord.

I went 2-2 in my weekly

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You don't need him at all. :) run a force of will or two in the sb in case of combo matchups if you want.

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That probably is the best idea. I kind of wish I there was a Plague Engineer, but since you can't GSZ it (obviously) it's not real good here.

so the build i went with on tuesday went 2-2

1-2 to ANT

game 1 i landed an opposition pretty early
game 2 i went for ooze instead of leovold, and he natural tendrils'd me
game 3 i landed leovold. he tendrils me and despite 3 veil of summer in the deck and 15 cards to draw, i didn't find one and died.

2-0, or 2-1 (can't remember) to DNT

games were pretty grindy and both finished with a craterhoof

0-2 to sneak and show

g1 he mulled to 5 and turn 2'd me
g2 he killed me on turn 3. i never saw an opposition, but he was also on the release the ants kill, so not nearly as favorable.

2-0 to UG show and tell

g1 he had a show and tell and i had opposition (his emrakul)
g2 he had eureka and i had opposition


// 60 Maindeck
// 2 Artifact
2 Winter Orb
// 22 Creature
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Coiling Oracle
3 Wirewood Symbiote
2 Dryad Arbor
1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Quirion Ranger
1 Scryb Ranger
2 Elvish Visionary
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Scavenging Ooze
// 3 Enchantment
3 Opposition
// 8 Instant
4 Brainstorm
4 Once Upon a Time
// 16 Land
3 Tropical Island
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Bayou
1 Forest
4 Gaea's Cradle
// 5 Planeswalker
3 Oko, Thief of Crowns
2 Garruk Wildspeaker
// 4 Sorcery
4 Green Sun's Zenith


i know canali is playing a once upon a time build that is a bit more stable and less greedy. he's more in favor of the cantrip guys and not so crazy about the planeswalkers. he mentioned on the discord he went 4-0-1 at the eternal weekend trial.

this deck does seem like it should be likely the best once upon a time deck (along with maverick).

I didn't have OuaT to try out, so went with your BUG list from above.

Went 4-1. I beat:
Death and Taxes 2-0 (Game 1, he has one land, double Vial. My mana is a bit awkward, I make a copuple sequencing errors with getting Rec Sage, but in the end, I get Opposition with ~8 creatures and he scoops. Game 2, he has double Vial and Jitte, but I Rec Sage it, and then am able to Hoof.)
Big Red Wildfire 2-1 (This was literally Kai's 1999 World Champion deck Game 1 is grindy, but I dodge a Temporal Apature activation twice then get to Oko it and win. Game 2 I have the win if she doesn't have a turn 4 Wildfire, but he does. Game 3, Opposition locks things out.)
Mono-Blue Counterbalance-Standstill (Really not sure what this deck was, but game 1 I win with Opposition lock. Game 2 I get a turn one Carpet and ride that to an Oko and Hoof win.)
Hogaak 2-1 (He gets a good start, but I manage to ford the early Hogaak by holding things off with Opposition, then Hoof for the win. Game 2 he again has a decent start, but I manage to get to Ooze, then Hoof for near exactsies (because of Garruk's +1 on Cradle).)
Bant SnOko (Miracles) 0-2 (Neither games was at all close. I mull, he had double Force for both my Oppositions, then literally all the Planeswalkers, oh, and double Terminus. Game 2, again, a mull, he just has the nuts and I draw triple Cradle and no action post-Terminus.)

Not bad. Oko seemed either super good, or literally useless. All and all, the deck was pretty fun, I'd probably play it again, it definitely is sometimes tricky with sequencing, I made a bunch of mistakes, but none that really cost me much.

Nice! Glad you had fun with it. I think I shouldn't modify the deck too much without getting enough reps in with it. Did you keep the underground sea in the deck?

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Nice! Glad you had fun with it. I think I shouldn't modify the deck too much without getting enough reps in with it. Did you keep the underground sea in the deck?

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No, I used your BUG list from post 181, with 3 Trops and 2 Bayou. There was one time where I was held back by not having U/B from one land, but being able to bounce any of my lands was nice vs Wastelands.

Cool, how was Gilded goose for you?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...222_111214.jpg
2 astrolabe, 2 teferi

Sb was:


1 stp, 3 Veil, 1 submerge, 2 carpet, 1 ouphe, 2 rest in peace, 1 faerie macabre, 1 karakas, 1 natural order, 1 trinisphere, and 1 unknown


Hopefully they will post about their matchups and thoughts on their list.

At first glance it looks like a slightly different take on the 2nd place GP bug deck.

Congrats on the finish!

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Cool, how was Gilded goose for you?

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It was decent when it showed up. Got Swords once, made Mana twice, made some Food to pair up with Oko in one game.

I'd think one is certainly worth it, it was a good Mana sink and gives you another Flying option when you Hoof.

Thanks. I'm still torn if it should be another BoP or not.

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Thanks. I'm still torn if it should be another BoP or not.

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Well, if we think of the 3 slots, I think BoP was "better" about 2/3rd of the time, so a 2-1 split with Goose would seem to make sense. But of course, I am estimating and I only played a small amount of games.

Hi everybody!

I read since a few year the topics of new and experimental decks on the source but haven't posted yet because of my bad english (it's sometimes difficult for me to understand already...)

So I built something when mistercakes raised the topic about 2 months ago and it worked nicely so I decided to take the deck for eternal w-end and that was awesome. I made a little report and some explanations of the deck here in french http://www.legacy-france.org/index.p...76#entry290730

Here is the complete decklist

// 60 Deck principal (Okosition)
// 2 Artifact
2 Arcum's Astrolabe

// 19 Creature
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Questing Beast
1 Archon of Valor's Reach
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Knight of Autumn
1 Brazen Borrower
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
2 Gilded Goose
4 Ice-Fang Coatl
4 Noble Hierarch
2 Dryad Arbor

// 2 Enchantment
2 Opposition

// 8 Instant
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will

// 18 Land
1 Snow-Covered Island
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Savannah
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Gaea's Cradle
2 Windswept Heath
2 Tropical Island
3 Snow-Covered Forest
4 Misty Rainforest

// 5 Planeswalker
2 Teferi, Time Raveler
3 Oko, Thief of Crowns

// 6 Sorcery
2 Natural Order
4 Green Sun's Zenith


// 15 Réserve
// 1 Artifact
SB: 1 Trinisphere

// 2 Creature
SB: 1 Collector Ouphe
SB: 1 Faerie Macabre

// 4 Enchantment
SB: 2 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 2 Rest in Peace

// 6 Instant
SB: 3 Veil of Summer
SB: 2 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 1 Submerge

// 1 Land
SB: 1 Karakas

// 1 Sorcery
SB: 1 Natural Order

It's not a combo deck, neither an elfball, but a midrange with one plan NO and one plan opposition

I finished on 2nd place despite of many mistakes (9 rounds+ top8 is very long in one day) and I thnk the dck is very good but the list can maybe even improve...

I'm not sure about 4 coatl + 2 astrolabe, it was very difficult to give deathtouch but flash flying cantrip is already fair enough. Not sure as well for th 2 goose, courser and brazen borrower but none was useless...

I can debate with you and I want to thank you for making this thread alive!!

Very entertaining report!

I found it so amusing that you played against opposition two times in the tournament. Were there really two opposition decks in the t8?

I think you came across some really interesting insights crossing the opposition and Tristan's deck together. I would recommend 1 bop over a goose and I also came to the same conclusion about the Coatl rarely having deathtouch.

I would prefer the visionary in most cases here, as getting multiple green is much easier than UG.

The questing beast was an oversight for me. With hierarch it is the most powerful gsz target at 4cc in the format.

I found it interesting that you played 4 fow. Would you consider cutting it down to 3 or 2, or did you see yourself as always the control deck?

I didn't run any as I wanted to play more of a tap out control style.

The symbiote + oracle + visionary is very strong, did you get to test it much?

Thanks again for posting!

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Very entertaining report!

Thank you!

I found it so amusing that you played against opposition two times in the tournament. Were there really two opposition decks in the t8?

Oops! I played twice against bug oko but not opposition

I think you came across some really interesting insights crossing the opposition and Tristan's deck together. I would recommend 1 bop over a goose and I also came to the same conclusion about the Coatl rarely having deathtouch.

My list was not so far when Tristan perfed in Bologna, I just copied coatl+ 2 astrolabe and he convinced me in his report that courser is fine with GSZ and brainstorm. I copied one half of the sideboard as well.

I would prefer the visionary in most cases here, as getting multiple green is much easier than UG.

Yes you're right but coatl is blue and fly which is important for me. Flash is fine but not necessary.

The questing beast was an oversight for me. With hierarch it is the most powerful gsz target at 4cc in the format.

Yeah it was devastating! And vigilance + opposition worked nicely

I found it interesting that you played 4 fow. Would you consider cutting it down to 3 or 2, or did you see yourself as always the control deck?

Lol I didn't notice that you didn'tplay them, I thought it was auto include for having a chance against combo but I'm maybe wrong. I sided them out on all but 3 matches (on 11 matches)

I didn't run any as I wanted to play more of a tap out control style.

The symbiote + oracle + visionary is very strong, did you get to test it much?

Yeah! I played a 4c version of the deck a few years ago with them (UGwb) it was very powerful but I needed space in the deck and more blue cards. Why not if I don't play FoW anymore. And the 1-of quirion ranger convinced me as well but I wanted to play only 60 cards :) and playing too many elves lead some devastating plague engineerered...

Thanks again for posting!

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thx for your answer!

Oops sorry for the readability!

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Very entertaining report!

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Thank you!

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I found it so amusing that you played against opposition two times in the tournament. Were there really two opposition decks in the t8?

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Oops! I played twice against bug oko but not opposition

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I think you came across some really interesting insights crossing the opposition and Tristan's deck together. I would recommend 1 bop over a goose and I also came to the same conclusion about the Coatl rarely having deathtouch.

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My list was not so far when Tristan perfed in Bologna, I just copied coatl+ 2 astrolabe and he convinced me in his report that courser is fine with GSZ and brainstorm. I copied one half of the sideboard as well.

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I would prefer the visionary in most cases here, as getting multiple green is much easier than UG.

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Yes you're right but coatl is blue and fly which is important for me. Flash is fine but not necessary.

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The questing beast was an oversight for me. With hierarch it is the most powerful gsz target at 4cc in the format.

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Yeah it was devastating! And vigilance + opposition worked nicely

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I found it interesting that you played 4 fow. Would you consider cutting it down to 3 or 2, or did you see yourself as always the control deck?

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Lol I didn't notice that you didn'tplay them, I thought it was auto include for having a chance against combo but I'm maybe wrong. I sided them out on all but 3 matches (on 11 matches)

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I didn't run any as I wanted to play more of a tap out control style.


The symbiote + oracle + visionary is very strong, did you get to test it much?

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Yeah! I played a 4c version of the deck a few years ago with them (UGwb) it was very powerful but I needed space in the deck and more blue cards. Why not if I don't play FoW anymore. And the 1-of quirion ranger convinced me as well but I wanted to play only 60 cards :) and playing too many elves lead some devastating plague engineerered...

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thx for your answer!

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Thank you! I'll try to do better next time!

There's a chance that some nonzero number of force of will is still okay in the maindeck.

I'll still focus on the elves variant.


60 Deck principal (Okosition)


// 22 Creature
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Questing Beast
1 Archon of Valor's Reach
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Knight of Autumn
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Gilded Goose
2 Birds of Paradise
1 Wirewood Symbiote
1 Quirion Ranger
1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
4 Coiling Oracle
4 Noble Hierarch
2 Dryad Arbor

// 3 Enchantment
3 Opposition

// 6 Instant
4 Brainstorm
2 Force of Will

// 18 Land
1 Snow-Covered Island
1 Savannah
1 Bayou
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Gaea's Cradle
2 Windswept Heath
3 Tropical Island
2 Snow-Covered Forest
4 Misty Rainforest

// 5 Planeswalker
2 Teferi, Time Raveler
3 Oko, Thief of Crowns

// 6 Sorcery
2 Natural Order
4 Green Sun's Zenith

I would consider testing this. Fow is quite strong with teferi. I really like garruk in the deck, but if you choose to play teferi over it, it makes more sense to run some number of Fow. Maybe 2 is also fine and frees up a spot for something tricky. (it should be uw UG or bant)

I do miss a Leovold in this list and it might make sense to run a bayou over the 3rd cradle and fit Leo into the list. (will just edit it for this)

Knight of autumn could be worse than rec sage with a symbiote in the deck, but it's very narrow and this helps dodge plague engineer.