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Im actually a fan of glacial chasm in the monogreen version with explorations and crucible. It does have its applications against burn as well as infect, just not sure if you can actually support it in this version. I won't discard the idea though, I might be wrong on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Pizzatog
rocklee: what would you cut from your tuesday list to squeeze back in candelabras?
what cards under performed for you that would be worth swapping?
-rob
When I made the cut for the 2 slots to make this version of the deck I added a 4th Devastation Tide and a 4th Exploration Map. If I were to consider the "weakest" cards or most appropriate for Candelabra atm, I would probably cut 1 force of will and 1 Thirst for knowledge. Reasoning being Candelabra functions at its best when you are running at mostly-colorless mana, which you want to maintain with 4 exploration maps. You also are going to be drawing fire with Candelabra so your forces are less needed, and you will be going faster so theoretically they are less needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by mistercakes
After doing some more testing sans-Candelabras I can say that a zero-candelabra version can work, but it is simply the extreme side of a Wasteland-metagame density scale. The more wastes there are the worse Candelabra is and the bigger a liability it is. Currently RUG, Maverick, & Tribals are doing better than normal, Candelabra doesn't power you out faster than Combo goes off and Candelabra isn't needed to out-pace Control anymore. In earlier variants of the deck when the current card pool was not available (no Glimmerposts, Titans, and Miracles) you needed 4 Candelabra to simply go fast enough to stabilize. Now you can stabilize on turn 3 with extreme consistency and don't need a Candelabra-fueled All-is-dust.
I'm not saying that Candelabras don't belong in the deck's relevant card pool. If the abuse of cards like Maze of Ith, Manlands and future land-tapping-abilities becomes strong, such as Standstill becoming dominant, then Candelabra would see a huge surge and I would likely run 4 on the main. Also depending on how many Merfolk/High Tide lists start running Back to Basics and Mavericks start running Choke I could reintroduce candelabras if I feel that Devastation Tide does not answer these sufficiently.
TLDR: Fast combo doing well at the same time that a Wasteland-heavy remainder of the meta is doing well means that Candelabra is taking a sideline for the time being.
thanks for the reply, sounds pretty fair overall. i appreciate the quick feedback. are you far from that place in connecticut? i live out in jersey.
I actually had someone at this recent event demeaningly tell my opponent after I beat him that RUG had a favorable matchup against me and I balked and had to make a comment. In my two fisted testing both pre and post board, I was 8-2 against RUG in 10 matches. The matchup is ridiculously favorable and their only chance against you is trying to zerg you dead with 2+ delvers while drawing all their wastelands off of minimal cantrips. It can happen of course, and those are 1/10 of the games they steal, with heavy forces holding you back on your spell-oriented grip while a single threat beats down being the other 1/10. Without Show & tells, post-board the matchup can approach 4-6 for them, which for a meta-dominant deck I don't like the odds of, so I add S&T and more titans and they just crumple to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xtreme
I sincerely felt bad for this teammate of my opponent who was digging into him HARD for losing, when it really was just a poor matchup for him. But supposedly this mindset of RUG-beats-Eldrazi is commonplace. One I am all-for people having of course.
Glacial chasm isn't about being supported. It is literally supposed to be an instant tutorable Fog. It won me a game hands-down yesterday, with me drawing nothing against RUG, and him having the triple-mongoose beatdown going to town with 3 wastes (the scenario I just explained above). I showed in a Kozilek, but was facing down lethal in two turns even with blocks. Swing annihilate, he sacs all lands and 1 dude to still swing back, so I play Glacial Chasm for the win. The hidden-information and game-altering-effect it has is enormous beyond words. Yes, it does change games against Infect, Blightsteel and Price of Progress, but the real use of it is for allowing you to not lose board power and let them swing or prevent them from doing such when they think they have lethal.
Lastly, if you are having problems with MUD, which that and Affinity I struggled against for a long time in previous builds despite knowing they were a low metagame presence, include 2x hurkyl's recall into your SB where I have the 2x Cursed Totems. There are currently 4 "wiggle room" spots in the sideboard, the Pithing Needle, The Tabernacle, and the 2x Cursed Totems. I guess I could write up a complete-sideboard-option primer to help folks make their sideboards. But for now, I choose those 4 because the other cards in the SB handle sufficiently the major meta powers and the remainder can handle my pet peeve decks/cards, which are Sneak Attack, Empty The Warrens and Combo Elves.
I live in Windsor, CT, which is 10 minutes north of Hartford, dead center in the state. the CT legacy scene is pretty scarce, but being positioned ~2 hours away from all the RI folks and 2 hours away from the NY folks can have its advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by mistercakes
How do you find the Merfolk MU? I have had problems in testing, without a resolved Tide the MU is nearly unwinable for me.
I haven't put as much testing into it as I would wish. I'll do some two-fisted testing tonight. In the past, Merfolk was 60/40 in their favor and required tight play to pull off. I can definitely see them being a rough-er matchup and might merit some sideboard consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipp2293
you could consider running llawan out the sb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Lee
I feel like something more akin to Ensnaring bridge might work better since it isn't completely dead in other matchups, namely combo ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by mistercakes
Something like elephant grass would probably be good versus the tribal matchup. It comes down fast and the deck can usually produce enough mana to feed its upkeep; it also stops griselbrand (sort of) and dredge. (This is all theory-crafting on my part).
If that doesn't work, i think a combination of moment's peace and propaganda would probably slow down tribal enough.
The card wouldn't be for tribal decks. that's what S&T, titans and Glacial Chasm are for.Quote:
Originally Posted by somethingdotdotdot
If you had been following the logic instead of seeing "ensnaring bridge = tribal solution" you would see I suggested it as a combination of anti-combo hate and specifically merfolk hate. Currently doing playtesting to determine how exactly the current build has weaknesses against Merfolk though. Which is how I decide both SB and MD slots instead of just intuiting them out. Good deck design is grueling and boring, not pulling cards out of a Sorting Hat.
Initial Merfolk testing is in. results out of 10 matches 2 fisted testing were 50/50.
Preboard I'm 2-10 for the matchup, Post board with Show & Tell I am 11-5, which puts the matchup very slightly in Eldrazi's favor, but extremely close to even. Moreso than I am comfortable with.Quote:
M1 (Win)
G1 down to 1 hp. Devastation Tide + GP stabilizes against Mutavault to 4. Titan + Temporal stabilize next turn.
G2 down to 16 hp. Show & Tell Titan
M2 (Win)
G1 T5 devastation tide returns 17 dmg. Loss to double reejery replay 5/5's
G2 T5 Show & Tell clinches game.
G3 T15 Win from Primeval titan hardcast.
M3 (Win)
G1 overrun. 15 card dig for Devastation Tide on turn 5 yields nothing.
G2 Show & Tell Titan clinches at 7 for infinite turns.
G3 Mull to 3. WIN through top and maps against a hand of counters and only 2 lords.
M4 (Loss)
G1 T3 devastation tide. Loss stall out on turn 6 to 10 dmg via mutavaults.
G2 T13 Double blind flip of Miracles wins the game. Lucksackery embodied.
G3 T6 Show & tell counterwar won by Merfolk loses game.
M5 (loss)
G1 Mull to 5. T5 kill loss to double lord, double waste, double force /w CC & SA beats. "the nuts"
G2 Standstill /w vial & 2x mutavault and force.
M6 (Loss)
G1 Lose to hardcast kozilek. had to choose titan or kozilek. Titan would have won.
G2 Triple force, double waste, 5 lords. Brutal.
M7 (Win)
G1 Loss to Vial 2x Lord /w cursecatcher and 2x waste.
G2 T8 Hardcast titan after 3 Forces and 2 standstills.
G3 T9 Eot Temporal into Hardcast Kozilek and hardcast Ulamog
M8 (Loss)
G1 Loss to CC, Master, Mutavault 3x beats.
G2 Win to Eot Temporal Mastery facing lethal to Primeval Titan to infinite turns
G3 Mull to 5. T5 Loss to 4 counters, 3 lords and 2 CC's.
M9 (Win)
G1 Win to multiple tides, no mutavault or Vial for Merfolk.
G2 T13 Ulamog and Glacial chasm hold off for TFK chaining.
G3 T6 infinite turns made possible by 3 turns of GLacial Chasm versus 6 lords in play.
M10 (Loss)
G1 Loss to 2nd waste with 6 lords and vial.
G2 Loss to quintuple counter 2x lord, Vial Mutavault, 2x Waste. More nuts.
Just came back from another weekly event. This time in Lincoln, RI. 1st place with Eldrazi again. This time testing a build without exploration map as follows. MD S&T allows for a strong tribal matchup, and the matchups where it is a liability against you have a chance against G1, and G2 you can sideboard against to be disgustingly in your favor.
// Lands
4 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [U] Tropical Island
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [IN] Island (1)
2 [ON] Flooded Strand
// Creatures
2 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
3 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [ROE] Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
// Spells
4 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
4 [AVR] Temporal Mastery
4 [5E] Brainstorm
4 [AVR] Devastation Tide
4 [AL] Force of Will
3 [US] Show and Tell
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
4 [UL] Crop Rotation
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
SB: 1 [M11] Primeval Titan
SB: 4 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 2 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
SB: 1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
SB: 2 [MR] Chalice of the Void
SB: 2 [MI] Cursed Totem
SB: 1 [SH] Ensnaring Bridge
I've been testing many variants of the deck with the Miracle build: no Candelabras, no Show & Tell, no Exploration Maps. Sofar all variants have won me events in the last week. So all there is remaining is to determine what is most needed for your meta. No Candelabras for wasteland-heavy, No Show & Tell for Reanimator/Hive Mind and no Maps for a Maverick meta. I tested with no-Crop Rotations, and the only meta I feel it would be viable in would be a heavy-UR, where crop rotation will be a liability even after 2 bait spells.
Again, I emphasize. This deck is ridiculously powerful at the moment. Pick it up. Any variant you can manage. The meta is slow enough for nothing to clock you by turn 3, and if it can, you can sideboard 6 cards on top of Force and make them pay for it.
Hi,
Been following the thread for some time, and have a question about your SB.
Might be a noob question, but the Ensnaring Bridge in SB, doesn't that affect you too?
So you get rid of it before attacking with your own fatties?
/PollePotDK
Devastation Tide end of opponents turn or Ulamog get rid of it easily :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by PollePotDK
What BlackSTarDeceiver said here. Additionally, you can Devastation Tide on your own turn, resetting your own candelabras and often recast all your guys the same turn with ease. I recently beat Mono Red in a similar board state where I had glacial chasm and couldn't attack, but couldn't let the chasm die because of a vexing shusher and mana for 2x lethal Price of Progress, despite being at 40+ life. I could hardcast devastation tide and recast ulamog multiple times to kill all his mountains while taking extra turns off emrakuls, shuffling back in the devastation tides to continue doing it over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackStarDeceiver
I often laugh when people bring in Ensnaring Bridge against me. Yes it does require an answer for me to end the game, which can be of relevance in niche situations, but for the vast majority it doesn't stop me from winning the game, which is a process up to ending the game. Bridge is one of the worst sideboard cards against Turbo Eldrazi since the strength of the deck is not Annihilator, it is its inevitability.
Gotta :tongue: I'm playing a GW Cloudpost version right now, so wanted to be clear about that one since I need something like that in my SB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Lee
But the UG versions sound tempting :wink: really like the Miracles in the list.
/PollePotDK
Okay is there like a standart list right now for the eldrazi Ramp deck?
I wanted to build it on my own.
When I look at Rock Lees list I feel like Devestation Tide seems not good enough for a Legacy Deck. Also Candelabra is very good in the Deck so why only play 2?
I like the fact that you are not playing expedition map as 4 crop rotation + 24 lands is enough already.
What about Explore? That card seems like a natural inclusion pretty much! And lastly Kozilek is also bad. I like the one of Ulamog but playing too many of those guys seems pretty loose.
Actually Devastation Tide is huge for stabilizing. I've won my fair number of games due to it.
Also Rock Lee has given a lengthy explanation why Candelabra is not needed (at all or in full numbers) depending on meta. It should be somewhere on the last 2 pages.
Kozilek is pretty boss, the draw 4 leaves you with a lot of CA even if Kozilek gets handled. In addition he's pretty easy to cast.
Hell, I've been thinking seriously of adding a 4th devastation tide, it's just that good.
Not sure if this is a troll or just someone who is too lazy to read. As other folks have mentioned, I comment about all the cards mentioned, and the most recent list has had 4 Devastation Tide in it for awhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pemmin
In other news, I lost to 2x Merfolk decks to get bumped out of contention at the most recent 6 round event. Nutty draws of 3 Wastelands, Vial and Cursecatcher -> Lord of Atlantics -> Master of Pearl Trident. that was 3 of my 4 game losses, the 4th being a mulligan to 4 on zero mana sources for my first 3 hands, which would have been a turn 5 win if not for them keeping yet another 3 wasteland hand with vial.
I realize that Merfolk's success relies not on skill but rather mass-numbers of decks having that perfect pairings and then ontop of that above-average hands for a handful of the plethora of Merfolk entries to make it to Top 8/16. So looking at improbability when designing a deck is something that can drive someone mad, but it does make me wonder if I should address inherent weaknesses directly.
My teammate wanted a "simpler" version of the deck where he didn't have to make hard Force of Will choices, and went with a nearly identical list but with 3x Pithing Needle and 1+ candelabra. He faced off against just as many Merfolk decks and stomped them, but obviously faltered when he hit the combo deck. I think the idea has some merit and might explore it for a bit.
Just because a deck ran well against you doesn't make it a skill-less deck. If you oversimplify any decks game plan it sounds herp-derp easy. For example, play and recur lands that tap for too much mana and cast uncounterable I-win buttons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Lee
I think you misunderstand both my point and statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by cuthbertthecat
A player making many showings in top8's indicates they have good playskill and deck selection abilities. When one of these skilled players makes repeated victories with the same deck, it shows consistency with the deck. Merfolk has never been a deck that the same players pilot to success, and thus shows a flaw in the deck's consistency, which can be due to necessary pairings, deck inconsistency or both. Merfolk is one of those "both" decks, and thus their successful showings are people who RNG win.
My point was not that my Merfolk opponents, or any merfolk opponent is skill-less, but rather that the deck has a low skill threshold, a large pairing variance and requires necessary hands against that large pairing variance.
Don't take necessary pairings as an automatically negative aspect. That is the essence of what deck design and choice is. A necessary low deck skill is also something that is not always bad. Knowing something poor is happening doesn't always enable you to negate it.
Deck inconsistency, which was what I was referring to, is entirely the problem. And I was speaking more to my deck than the Merfolk players. Anyone who follows deck archtypes and playtests realizes that Merfolk is inconsistent. That is why it is the entry level deck. It is cheap to construct and easy to play, so it is highly accessible. Once you have a card pool to move away from it, you do. This doesn't mean that it can't be brutally good when the dice are rolled in its favor.
hey rock,
i've been thinking about slinging this up on modo, but not sure what you think the best build for this likely meta:
lots of
maverick
rug delver
stoneblade
there's the occasional sneak and show, but i guess the deck just wants to beat up on those decks the most?
now i know that S&T will be very strong here, crop rotation seems bad vs 2 of the 3 decks, and candelabra seems weak here.
-rob
I'd play 3-4 crop rotation in that meta as crop rotation is at its best in response to wasteland
Rob, I'd go with a list like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by mistercakes
// Lands
4 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [U] Tropical Island
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
1 [IN] Island (1)
3 [ON] Polluted Delta
3 [ON] Flooded Strand
1 [DK] Maze of Ith
// Creatures
2 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [ROE] Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
// Spells
4 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
4 [5E] Brainstorm
4 [AVR] Devastation Tide
4 [US] Show and Tell
4 [UL] Crop Rotation
3 [M10] Pithing Needle
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
2 [ZEN] Expedition Map
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
SB: 4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
SB: 1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
SB: 2 [DS] Trinisphere
SB: 2 [MI] Cursed Totem
SB: 1 [CMD] Bojuka Bog
You don't need FoW against any of those matchups, except Maverick G2 when they bring in Armageddon, where flusterstorm SHOULD be sufficient if you are holding spells. Needle covers your real combo matchups and SneakyShow is already a decent pairing since S&T is liability for them. Needle also hinders the major gameplan Maverick & Rug will have against you and isn't entirely dead vs Stoneblade, which is already an amazingly good matchup.
The SB is 100% combo hate, as I'm becoming more and more inclined to prefer in most meta decks. Good luck with it. This list is similar to the list I'm trying out currently. the 2x Expedition Map is where the "wiggle room" is in the deck atm with a Needle-based build. Other options in that slot are Temporal mastery, Ponder, All is Dust, Energy Field depending on meta specifics.
Rock, is there any meta in which you would consider Sylvan Scrying over Crop Rotation, or is CR that essential to the plan?
I ran a list for several weeks with Sylvan Scrying prior to Miracle printing. A slow meta with lots of Jace, Stifles and Wastes is where Sylvan Scrying is best. I ran it while RUG was absolutely dominating and every Top 8 had 3-4 RUG lists. Since keeping a hand of 6-7 lands beats RUG, this is just as good, especially if you're running a correct toolkit for that meta. Also, any meta that loses to one of your tutor targets. So decks like Dreadnaught, Ichorid, Reanimator, all are greatly improved with scrying. The only time I would want Scrying over Crop rotation would be if there are gads of daze & pierce, but no spellsnares in a majority of the meta, which is rare. Crop rotation and Sylvan Scrying, while both being green land tutors, perform entirely different functions in the deck. Scrying only has one speed, but risks much less. Crop Rotation is usable at all stages of the game and does entirely different functions during them. It is one of the best cards in the deck. One of the most important skills in piloting this deck is baiting correctly so Crop rotate doesn't get countered, or if they do counter it, that it is a 2-for-2 exchange in the very least, preferably a 2-for-3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
Tragically Sylvan Scrying, it is completely dead against combo, only "ok" against knight/waste recursion, and a liability in a counterbalance or standstill meta. So I would not suggest it atm.
I'd just like to say that the last sideboard Rock Lee posted makes this deck nearly unbeatable vs combo and reanimator. With it, I've only lost about 1 out of 15 matches vs TES and about the same ratio vs reanimator post-board.
I've been doing really well with the deck but got stomped the other day when I ran into a mono-white Parfait build. Just couldn't do anything vs a resolved scepter-chant. Any game he didn't resolve it I just ran over him but once it resolved it became a pain to deal with. After testing a bit vs the deck, we came to the conclusion that it all comes down to setting up an instant speed devastation tide / mastery if you manage to get top out before or holding on to your countermagic for the big turn.
Good to hear. The sideboard is 100% combo. It has really odd multipurpose usages outside of combo, namely the flusterstorms coming in against really odd matchups like Maverick, Chasm coming in against something trying to race you like RUG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pizzatog
About Scepter-Chant, if you really think that scepter-chant is dangerous, you can swap the 2x Cursed Totems for Krosan Grips. Remember Pithing Needle can name Isocron Scepter also.
This week I went 4-1 at the local Tuesday event. I punted my only loss super hard by THINKING I had sideboarded in bojuka bog for black hive mind mana, but not having done it, when I could have paid for 1x Pact of Titan and 2x Slaughter Pact while my opponent would have lost to non-payment.
Other than that, I faced Maverick, Burn, RBW control, and Affinity, all of which are favorable matchups and were won with relative ease.
Current list:
// Lands
4 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [U] Tropical Island
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
1 [IN] Island (1)
3 [ON] Polluted Delta
3 [ON] Flooded Strand
1 [DK] Maze of Ith
// Creatures
2 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [ROE] Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
2 [ZEN] Oracle of Mul Daya
// Spells
4 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
4 [5E] Brainstorm
4 [AVR] Devastation Tide
4 [US] Show and Tell
4 [UL] Crop Rotation
3 [M10] Pithing Needle
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
SB: 4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
SB: 1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
SB: 2 [DS] Trinisphere
SB: 2 [MI] Cursed Totem
SB: 1 [CMD] Bojuka Bog
How's Oracle of Mul Daya working out for you? I'd thought about including her, but it seemed that she would never last on the board long enough to make a difference.
I find that she's a great alternate to Show & Tell in the 3-4 mana range before you hardcast a Titan. If you're playing against decks running bolts/plows, just get an extra land drop out of her. With decks running less setup, she will win the game for you. Most importantly though, with decks running bolt/plow she will make them debate keeping them in against you, despite being entirely dead. A Deck running bolt HAS to race you, and preventing 3 dmg to your face by having her eat it is worth the damage every time. Neglected though, she will completely win you the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pizzatog
Basically, Oracle puts THEM in a position to lose the game without a clear superior choice, which any good card will do.
So,
In an wasteland-heavy meta, is it better to run needle + candelabra or just pass on both? I can't imagine naming anything else than wasteland against an unknown opponent with a t1 needle(if you want to slam it t1 that is)
In a wasteland heavy meta, decks are slower and often rely on their opening grip more. Especially if you get to a point where I am, where people recognize you on sight and KNOW that you are playing 12-post, or you have been scouted, or it is game 2/3, people will keep hands of Wastelands + recursion or extraction. In all these cases, Pithing needle is often your best play. Heavy Devastation Tide means you often have the opportunity to reset your early Needle choices, so don't concern yourself too much about naming "wrong" like most decks would obsess over. I frequently name my needles very aggressively with the simple thought of "I don't need this to win me the game, only to prevent me from losing it." Additionally, people will often use their wastelands for mana first with Pithing Needle naming them, instead of last. This means that when you do Tide, you won't be facing an army of wastelands before you replay the needle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xtreme
Candelabra is more a complex card choice based off a combination of how fast decks are (a mix of "how much combo" and how fast can aggro be") and how much Choke and B2B are pervasive in addition to how much Wasteland is present.
My meta breakdown is extremely healthy, with a leaning towards Maverick & Aggro Control (RUG). Both Decks are slow, but can clock you if they forgo their control elements and just zerg you. This justifies 2 Candelabra, but not a full compliment. The two most dominant archetypes would have me both siding out Force of Wills, so their maindecking is optional at the moment, but because combo exists enough to have won events, a heavy combo sideboard would be needed if this route is taken. Cavern of Souls also re-evaluates Force of Will, since Knight, Lackey & Merfolk Lords would be your only offensive Forces minus Combo wins. Lastly, Pithing needle hits nearly all the Force of Will targets (Knight, Vial), while still hitting what you effectively want to stop, Wasteland with throwins (Factory, Mutavault, Planeswalkers).
TLDR: Yes, kinda.
rock: was that you at jupiter games on saturday?
Myself and a few buds were at Jupiter Yesterday/Today. I faced some tragic draws and scrubbed, my bud Scott Hughes went undefeated in the Swiss into Top 8, but lost due to inexperience with the deck while it was handing him the win if he saw it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mistercakes
But yes. I was there.
cool, were you two running identical lists?
what was the situation that he overlooked?