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Clearly that Snow-Covered Island should have been Spara's Headquarters to cover for accidentally resolving random pacts! ::tongue::laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
Abeyance only stops instants and sorceries, so Lotus Petals can still be played. But then I guess you win with the spirit while Asthereal doesn't have mana to play Barren Glory and Duress no longer matters.
So, I start with two disagreements:
Indeed Ertai is 3/2, so the 3-4 2/2s I make are enough to race it and freebooter (even two would be enough if there is no ephemerate).Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
Me OTP: CC. If it resolves, you lose: I pass. If you play freebooter, I respond with PC. You have to Ertai it. In response 2/2 plus shuffle.
You do not have ephemerate up.
My turn, draw eldrazi. make a 2nd 2/2, shuffle (so I will have 4 2/2s in total, as I have 2 now and 2 in the library) --> I win.
If you do not play freebooter and pass, I just activate bazaar and make a 2/2 out of PC. You eventually will have to cast Ertai to not lose to this 2/2, to which I will be able to respond by a second 2/2 plus shuffle, and will eventually win with 4 2/2s again (ephemerate can take 2 out).
If you try to Ertai CC, I will answer with PC on Ertai. If you then ephemerate Ertai, I will be able to shuffle all and eventually replay CC and win with it.
You OTP, freebooter plus ertai exile cc and you win.
3-3?
Why would I cast PC first?Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
You have to play three cards to both discard CC and play BB on T1.
Then I will just play bazaar, play PC targeting you, hold priority, tap bazaar and shuffle with PC on the stack. You let resolve (otherwise I draw a card and gain a turn).
So I gain 1 turn on your schedule, resolving converter T3.
WW for me?
Otherwise:
1. silkster: Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Inquisition of Kozilek, Vex, Bitterblossom
6-0 if I am right, see above
6
2. dte: Prismari Command, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Bazaar of Baghdad, Currency Converter
Me, playing discard/recursion I was impressed by the effectiveness of 4dogs' word of wildling power as a hard-to-disrupt, make a 2/2 every turn deck, but thought it lacked to have at least on piece of protection/disruption, here represented by PC.
3. GoblinSmashmaster:Crystal Vein, Barbed Shocker, Abeyance, Flusterstorm
6-0. I am fine with discarding :)
12
4. Reeplcheep:Forbidden Orchard, Sudden Substitution, Intervention Pact, Abeyance
6-0. PC wins these.
18
5. jfb1337: Chain of Smog, Witherbloom Apprentice, Urborg, Delay
2-2, staring contest.
20
6. Wrath of Pie: Geier Reach Sanitarium, Mountain, Stronghold Gambit, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
6-0, I win the mirror!
26
7. Dooey: Foil, Snow-Covered Island, Nether Spirit, Ashiok, Nightmare Muse
0-6. Plussing on making 2/3 and exiling?? Ashiok is truly a nightmare for my deck.
26
8. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress
0-6, I was sure PC beats this deck! but actually it absolutely does not.
26
9. Symbi: Vex, Path to Exile, Inquisition of Kozilek, Memnite
6-0. None of these cards prevent me from making 2/2s
32
10. FTW: Ertai Resurrected, Ephemerate, Kitesail Freebooter, Scrubland
3-3 per above
35
PS@Reep: Abeyance does not prevent Asthereal to play or use lotus petal. And as he will control both the "I win" and the "I lose" trigger, he'll stack them how he sees fit. Amazing stack of triigers in the upkeep though.
7. Dooey: Foil, Snow-Covered Island, Nether Spirit, Ashiok, Nightmare Muse
1. silkster: Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Inquisition of Kozilek, Vex, Bitterblossom
No disagreement, WL, +3, 3 total.
2. dte: Prismari Command, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Bazaar of Baghdad, Currency Converter
I don't fully understand your deck but pretty sure I beat it, WW, +6, 9 total.
3. GoblinSmashmaster:Crystal Vein, Barbed Shocker, Abeyance, Flusterstorm
OTP I get ashiok out, who wins. OTD you strip my hand and 2/2s stare. WD, +4, 13 total.
4. Reeplcheep:Forbidden Orchard, Sudden Substitution, Intervention Pact, Abeyance
No disagreement, LL, +0, 13 total.
5. jfb1337: Chain of Smog, Witherbloom Apprentice, Urborg, Delay
No disagreement, WW, +6, 19 total.
6. Wrath of Pie: Geier Reach Sanitarium, Mountain, Stronghold Gambit, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Ashiok just wins, WW, +6, 25 total.
7. Dooey: Foil, Snow-Covered Island, Nether Spirit, Ashiok, Nightmare Muse
It me, +0, 25 total.
8. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress
Foil counters duress and ashiok bounces barren glory. WW, +6, 31 total.
9. Symbi: Vex, Path to Exile, Inquisition of Kozilek, Memnite
OTP Ashiok and foil vex. OTD you can inquisition to remove foil (either leave me without a discard, or let it resolve), then path nether spirit and vex ashiok (or vex foil if I discard ashiok to foil your path). WL, +3, 34 total
10. FTW: Ertai Resurrected, Ephemerate, Kitesail Freebooter, Scrubland
No disagreement, WL, +3, 37 total.
This is my best week by quite a bit. I guess good threats + free counterspells still win games.
6. Wrath of Pie: Geier Reach Sanitarium, Mountain, Stronghold Gambit, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1. silkster: Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Inquisition of Kozilek, Vex, Bitterblossom WW
2. dte: Prismari Command, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Bazaar of Baghdad, Currency Converter LL
3. GoblinSmashmaster:Crystal Vein, Barbed Shocker, Abeyance, Flusterstorm WW
4. Reeplcheep:Forbidden Orchard, Sudden Substitution, Intervention Pact, Abeyance LL
5. jfb1337: Chain of Smog, Witherbloom Apprentice, Urborg, Delay LL
7. Dooey: Foil, Snow-Covered Island, Nether Spirit, Ashiok, Nightmare Muse LL
8. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress WL - I appreciate the dedication.
9. Symbi: Vex, Path to Exile, Inquisition of Kozilek, Memnite WW
10. FTW: Ertai Resurrected, Ephemerate, Kitesail Freebooter, Scrubland LL
7w = 21 points
I disagree with myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dooey
On your play you cast Ashiok. Instead of countering, I let it resolve.
You +1 making a 2/3. (There are no legal targets to -3, so you can't make me discard)
On my turn I play Kitesail Freebooter. You Foil (otherwise I exile it and strand Nether Spirit in hand -> win), I let Foil resolve.
I play Ertai & destroy Ashiok with the trigger.
On your upkeep Nether Spirit returns. You attack with 2/3 and I take it.
I untap Scrubland & Ephemerate Ertai, destroying the 2/3 token.
Then Ertai and Nether Spirit stare. You can't attack because a 3/2 would race you.
WD 4-1 for me, DL for you?
It is certainly more complicated as 3/2 than 2/3 (would block and kill all).Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
I miscounted how quickly you can make 2/2s. I thought just 2 activations until I untap Scrubland, but then you still get 2 more 2/2s with the 2 cards in library. In that case I cannot win. But I think I can draw by doing nothing. If I never play Freebooter, I can threaten Ertai + Ephemerate at any time, so you can never reshuffle and only get 2 2/2s.
dte T1: Bazaar. Currency Converter. I let it resolve.
A) If you Prismari Command me proactively, I can discard Freebooter & Scrubland because you can't make any 2/2s without putting Kozilek in GY. Ertai counters the reshuffle trigger, Ephemerate flickers Ertai to kill the 2/2 token.
B) If you instead activate Bazaar on your turn, you can put 2 cards under Currency Converter (Prismari & Kozilek), but then Ertai will counter the 1st reshuffle whenever you put Kozilek in GY.
If you make the 1st 2/2 with Kozilek: Ertai counters the reshuffle, Scrubland + Ephemerate kills the 2/2, Rebound kills a 2nd 2/2 if one is in play. If you slow roll the 2nd 2/2, Ertai's 3/2 body trades with it and Freebooter wins.
If you make the 1st 2/2 without reshuffling (Prismari): Ertai kills it before Currency Converter untaps. Then I always have Ephemerate up whenever Kozilek hits the GY & Rebound kills the 2nd 2/2.
C) If you instead activate Currency Converter with mana, you could start making 2/2s without discarding Prismari, but you won't have enough mana to cast Prismari after so it doesn't help. Same as above. If you make a 2/2 (Kozilek), Ertai counters the reshuffle & Ephemerate kills the 2/2.
D) You do nothing else on your turn. I play Scrubland and pass.
Now we're back to A or B or C, except I have 1 more mana open for Ephemerate. Casting Prismari leads to you losing. Activating Bazaar leads to you losing. You can't move first.
I only lose this line if I play out Freebooter first, tying up mana for Ertai + Ephemerate.
WD 4-1 for me?
GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Vexed Eldrazi"
1. silkster: Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Inquisition of Kozilek, Vex, Bitterblossom
Shocker, then discard 3-3
2. dte: Prismari Command, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Bazaar of Baghdad, Currency Converter
Eldrazi :( 0-6
3. GoblinSmashmaster:Crystal Vein, Barbed Shocker, Abeyance, Flusterstorm
Shocker is not type Goblin and can't smash :(
4. Reeplcheep:Forbidden Orchard, Sudden Substitution, Intervention Pact, Abeyance
Shocker 4-1
5. jfb1337: Chain of Smog, Witherbloom Apprentice, Urborg, Delay
Shocker 4-1
6. Wrath of Pie: Geier Reach Sanitarium, Mountain, Stronghold Gambit, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Eldrazi :( 0-6
7. Dooey: Foil, Snow-Covered Island, Nether Spirit, Ashiok, Nightmare Muse
Spirit 1-4
8. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress
Shocker, then combo 3-3
9. Symbi: Vex, Path to Exile, Inquisition of Kozilek, Memnite
Shocker, then discard 3-3
10. FTW: Ertai Resurrected, Ephemerate, Kitesail Freebooter, Scrubland
Ertai :( 0-6
Total: 18 nongoblin points
Sounds right, 4-1 for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
Asthereal's scores for this round:
1. silkster: Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Inquisition of Kozilek, Vex, Bitterblossom WL
EDIT: OTP I Duress Vex with starting B mana, then I play Barren Glory and win. OTD you get to remove something relevant with Inquisition and win with any wincon.
2. dte: Prismari Command, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Bazaar of Baghdad, Currency Converter WW
Command looks scary, but I just discard a Petal and my Duress, and the remaining Petal and Barren Glory win it.
3. GoblinSmashmaster:Crystal Vein, Barbed Shocker, Abeyance, Flusterstorm WL
Abeyance doesn't stop my stuff as it got errata'd into only stopping activated abilities that aren't mana abilities. So OTP I get to do my thing, albeit having to wait to cast Duress and win a turn later.
4. Reeplcheep:Forbidden Orchard, Sudden Substitution, Intervention Pact, Abeyance LL
Uh.. Abeyance doesn't do as much as you might think, but it does stop me from casting Duress, so I guess I have to use Petal mana to pay for the Pact and then lose to the 1/1?
5. jfb1337: Chain of Smog, Witherbloom Apprentice, Urborg, Delay LL
EDIT: I misunderstood this deck. You Chain yourself to win with the guy. You Delay the Duress to force it through, and your win is a few phases faster than mine. Cool deck!
6. Wrath of Pie: Geier Reach Sanitarium, Mountain, Stronghold Gambit, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth WL
OTP I dump my stuff. OTP you make an Annihilator guy, which I have to sac my Barren Glory to.
7. Dooey: Foil, Snow-Covered Island, Nether Spirit, Ashiok, Nightmare Muse LL
EDIT: I Duress Foil with starting B mana, then drop Barren Glory. But your Ashiok gets to bounce Glory and you still have a wincon afterwards.
8. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress <-me
I had no inspiration, so I just replaced Seize with Duress and went with it. It's still too vulnerable, but so be it.
9. Symbi: Vex, Path to Exile, Inquisition of Kozilek, Memnite WL
EDIT: OTP I Duress Vex with starting B mana, the drop Glory FTW. OTD you Inquisition me, which makes me lose a Petal and I can't win anymore. Any wincon will do here, even Memnite, though that feels like rubbing it in. :wink:
10. FTW: Ertai Resurrected, Ephemerate, Kitesail Freebooter, Scrubland LL
Ertai would counter a Petal, so I'd play nothing if you had nothing else. But you're too smart for that and have a Freebooter which will boot me.
Total: 18 points
Disagreements.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoblinSmashmaster
I think they're both right. You can't win OTD, but they can't win either.
Reeplcheep
T1 R: Abeyance, you Abeyance back. Pass
T1 G: If you play Shocker, Sudden Sub steals it and you lose. Pass.
T2 R: If Sudden Sub + Pact, Flusterstorm counters Pact and Shocker wins. Pass
Draw
WD 4-1
jfb1337
T1 J: Witherbloom. If Chain of Smog, then Abeyance + Flusterstorm counters it.
T1 G: Shocker. J can Delay, but it will resolve 3 turns later and trade with Witherbloom.
Draw
WD 4-1
+2 nongoblin points
On your play:Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Duress (using starting B). Foil is forced out.
Petal + Petal + WURG casts Barren Glory. Win.
On your draw:
Ashiok resolves but has no legal targets for -3, so it makes a 2/3.
Duress forces out Foil.
Petal + Petal + Barren Glory wins again.
Edit: I'm wrong.
Duress protects against Foil on Petal. You make Barren Glory, but Ashiok has time to -3 it.
LL 0-6
Right. I'm really dumb. I forgot I could use the starting mana for Duress. I need coffee. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
(And I need to rethink every match where I reckoned I'd lose to one counter.)
Yeah I caught that. Ashiok just bounces my Glory and it's over.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
1. silkster: Hive of the Eye Tyrant, Inquisition of Kozilek, Vex, Bitterblossom
OTP I take bitterblossom, but hive of the eye tyrant stops memnite. OTD I lose to bitterblossom. Edit: OTP, if you vex, I vex back and you don't have the mana for hive. If you don't vex, I counter inquisition and have path for hive WL 3-3, 3 total
2. dte: Prismari Command, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Bazaar of Baghdad, Currency Converter
Recursion beats my discard. LL 0-6, 3 total.
3. GoblinSmashmaster:Crystal Vein, Barbed Shocker, Abeyance, Flusterstorm
OTP I take abeyance, then path shocker and pay for flusterstorm. OTD I can't answer shocker. WL 3-3, 6 total.
4. Reeplcheep:Forbidden Orchard, Sudden Substitution, Intervention Pact, Abeyance
OTP I take abeyance and counter the pact, then I path your 1/1. OTD I lose to the combo. WL 3-3, 9 total.
5. jfb1337: Chain of Smog, Witherbloom Apprentice, Urborg, Delay
If you go for your combo, I wait until the first chain resolves and your hand is empty, then path and counter the chain. If you chain me, I keep path and memnite and delay can only, well, delay these spells from resolving. WW 6-0, 15 total.
6. Wrath of Pie: Geier Reach Sanitarium, Mountain, Stronghold Gambit, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
My hand gets dismantled. LL 0-6, 15 total.
7. Dooey: Foil, Snow-Covered Island, Nether Spirit, Ashiok, Nightmare Muse
OTP I lead on inquisition. If you counter, I path nether spirit and counter Ashiok. If you let it resolve, I take nether spirit. Then you can't cast both ashiok and foil, so I counter whichever one of these you do cast and path the spirit. OTD I lose to Ashiok. WL 3-3, 18 total.
8. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress
OTP I take duress and counter barren glory. OTD You take my counter and I lose to barren glory. WL 3-3, 21 total.
9. Symbi: Vex, Path to Exile, Inquisition of Kozilek, Memnite
That's me, being rather annoyed that I couldn't submit one of the cards in spanish.
10. FTW: Ertai Resurrected, Ephemerate, Kitesail Freebooter, Scrubland
OTP I take kitesail freebooter and counter Ertai. OTD you have ephemerate to stop me pathing freebooter. WL 3-3, 24 total.
I did miss that lotus petal and barren glory are castable. But how does he get rid of the duress?Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
You're right, he can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
Yep, I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by FTW
I don't. I have to use Petal mana to not die to your Pact, and then you murder me with the token you gave me and then stole back again. Very crafty. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
He was pointing out the line where you play out the petals and glory and then stack the triggers so that you win before you lose. But you can’t get the win trigger if you still have duress in your hand (Or I give you an extra Spirit)Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
"T: Counter target Barren Glory trigger. Play this as a mana ability" is a strong ability to have on a land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
Both of you graciously gave yourselves the L, 0 points each.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
I think you WW. Kozilek negates Barbed Shocker. You'll get your cards back, play out your lands, and can keep jamming Stronghold Gambit until it resolves.
Oh right, the draw part is relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
Alas, my mental model of your play cannot exceed my own play.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
I'm not sure I understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
I was just playfully saying that when I'm going over my matches and choosing your lines I can only choose lines as good as I can find. Like how I could try to cosplay as Magnus Carlsen and imitate his accent, but any attempt to imitate his play will be limited by my own chess ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
But on third thought, what if I counter the PC once the shuffle trigger is on the stack? Then PC gets shuffled in with the rest of the stuff, but no cards are in your library to draw from Vex resolving.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
Understood!
That's right third thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
But on fourth thoughts, from this, and still not casting PC first, I cast it T2 (or rather 3, as it becomes worse to draw kozilek T2), targetting your discard and a faerie. If it resolves I gain one clock turn, if it doesn't I draw cc and gain a turn as well:
On the play, it takes 8 turns for me to win and I lose 7 life along the way. PC gets countered, and then your turns are 1) Bazaar, shuffle; 2) draw PC; 3) draw Kozilek; 4) draw Converter, make a 2/2; 5) attack for 2; 6) attack for 4; 7) attack for 6 and put me to 1 (though I do have one blocker here to spare).
Did we get a week's break just because I said I was away for the holidays? :cool:
(Just checking from my holiday location. :smile: )
Playing Prismari Command on turn 3 does look better now. Unfortunate for me if Vex allowing you to draw a card costs me a win. There's also now the possibility of Inquisitioning the Command instead, now that you're not firing it of on my upkeep. I don't think this helps me, but I haven't confirmed it. I'll do that later.
For now, new bans are:
Abeyance
Ashiok, Nightmare Muse
Bazaar of Baghdad
Currency Converter
Ephemerate
Ertai Resurrected
Foil
Intervention Pact
Kitesail Freebooter
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Nether Spirit
Orchard
Prismari Command
Scrubland
Snow-Covered Island
Sudden Substitution.
Hi everyone! Sorry I'm late. I decided to make the deadline Wednesday this week so that I don't rush people too much and you can enjoy puzzling it out. I should also consider how many rounds this season should go since I left it open ended. Are you finding the lengthy banlist annoying, or are you excited that more obscure and ridiculous cards are going to get their turns in the spotlight?
ROUND 9 OF SEASON 14: WUBRG is now open.
I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 8, and for fun I made a salted hash at https://emn178.github.io/online-tools/sha256.html which is d1592d3c769693e3b9e1e615d65546b3da4ea48b673e935285e50c57f20ddd9e
[B]DEADLINE: Wednesday, January 4th at 1:00pm Eastern Standard Time (GMT-5).
PLEASE NOTE:
The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
Please send your deck as follows:
silkster: Lightning Bolt, Lightning Blow, Lightning-Core Excavator, Dazzling Lights.
So with name, colon, and card tags around each card, and not above each other, and with your Username and 4CB S14R09 in the topic.
Usually you should keep an eye on the banned list, found in the second post and in the spreadsheet. Remember that the card pool is Vintage minus Unfinity.
After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.
Happy listbuilding! :smile:
PHP Code:name and 4CB S14R09
YOURNAME: [cards]A[/cards], [cards]B[/cards], [cards]C[/cards], [cards]D[/cards].
We're up to 8 entries including mine, but since I'm already a day behind I'll go ahead as scheduled. I was just checking that no banned cards were submitted and I think we're good.
Season 14: Round 9 Lists
1. silkster: Brain Maggot, Nimble Obstructionist, Ionize, Subtlety
2. dte: Bayou, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Mayor of Avabruck, brain maggot
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Duress, Erayo, Soratami Ascendant, Mana Vault, Empty the Warrens
4. FTW: Brainstorm, Violent Outburst, Restore Balance, Shrieking Affliction
5. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress
6. Wrath of Pie: Eldrazi Temple, Thought-Knot Seer, Thought-Knot Seer, Spell Pierce
7. jfb1337: Insist, White Plume Adventurer, You See a Guard Approach, Cathedral of War
8. Reeplcheep: Lutri, Funeral Charm, Bojuka Bog, Hexdrinker
Hashed entry: Brain Maggot, Nimble Obstructionist, Ionize, Subtlety, it should have been ionize last round!
Direct link to round 9: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1948457480
1. silkster: Brain Maggot,Nimble Obstructionist,Ionize,Subtlety
Me ending up on more or less the same deck, mostly from lack of inspiration.
2. dte: Bayou, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Mayor of Avabruck, brain maggot
You have the mana to cast Mayor once and Grist twice...
LL
3. GoblinSmashmaster:Duress, Erayo, Soratami Ascendant, Mana Vault, Empty the Warrens
Countering Duress and stifling the storm trigger is still not good enough.
WL
4. FTW: Brainstorm, Violent Outburst, Restore Balance, Shrieking Affliction
Instant speed interaction is on the decline, so turn 0 is looking really cool here. I only just noticed that the Affliction can be tucked under the Balance. I haven't mathed how this does, but it looks like it gets a handful of 6-0 and 0-6 rather than mostly 3-3. For my part, I can counter one action spell and then stay at 2 cards in hand.
WW
5. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress
My two reactive spells don't quite line up.
WL
6. Wrath of Pie: Eldrazi Temple, Thought-Knot Seer, Thought-Knot Seer, Spell Pierce
Funnily enough, I just remembered TKS this round and considered playing it, but I didn't find a version I liked.
Unlike against Grist, you can only cast TKS twice, so Maggot on Spell Pierce is enough.
WL
7. jfb1337: Insist,White Plume Adventurer,You See a Guard Approach,Cathedral of War
Finally my countermagic lines up properly!
WW
8. Reeplcheep:Lutri, Funeral Charm, Bojuka Bog, Hexdrinker
On my play, if you lead with Funeral Charm, I can discard bird/Subtlety, counter the Lutri, and Maggod the Hexdrinker.
On the draw, I need to counter Hexdrinker and Subtlety the Lutri, then Charm defeats the Brain Maggot in one of two ways.
WD
8W, 5L, 1D
I like the diversity and creativity this round. Most of these cards haven't been played at all this season.
4. FTW: Brainstorm, Violent Outburst, Restore Balance, Shrieking Affliction
#BanBrainstorm
T0 upkeep Brainstorm, putting back Balance & Affliction. Violent Outburst cascades into Balance with 0 cards in hand, 0 permanents in play, and B floating. Draw and play T1 Affliction.
What can't Brainstorm do??
1. silkster: Balance forces out Ionize, but Brain Maggot races Affliction since you can keep 2 cards in hand. LL 0-6
2. dte: T0 Balance takes your hand. Affliction wins. WW 6-0
3. GoblinSmashmaster: T0 Balance takes your hand. Affliction wins. WW 6-0
5. Asthereal: T0 Balance takes your hand. Affliction wins. WW 6-0
6. Wrath of Pie: If I cascade combo, I can't pay for Spell Pierce. If I don't I can dodge discard & Pierce, but 2 TKS races Affliction + suspend Balance. LL 0-6
7. jfb1337: T0 Balance takes your hand. Affliction wins. WW 6-0
8. Reeplcheep: If I try to combo, you double discard in response to Brainstorm. If you lead on discard, I respond with Brainstorm and can Outburst -> Balance to draw. Instead you just play Hexdrinker. Affliction & suspend Balance are too slow. LL 0-6
24 points (8 wins, 6 losses)
8. Reeplcheep: Lutri, Funeral Charm, Bojuka Bog, Hexdrinker
I had 0 inspiration so I just played t0 discard.
1. silkster: Brain Maggot, Nimble Obstructionist, Ionize, Subtlety
Disagreement, you are forgetting the removal mode of funeral charm. DD 2-2
2. dte: Bayou, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Mayor of Avabruck, brain maggot
I only play hexdrinker if you do nothing. 2 creatures keeps grist under control until I get an 4/4 and leading on creatures is vulnerable to funeral charm removal mode. WW 6-0
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Duress, Erayo, Soratami Ascendant, Mana Vault, Empty the Warrens
My double discard doesn’t do a ton here. OTD you just barely get over the finish line if I trade everything. OTP you only get 4 goblins. WL 3-3
4. FTW: Brainstorm, Violent Outburst, Restore Balance, Shrieking Affliction
Disagreements: I don’t need bog to cast hexdrinker, only to upgrade it. So I can force the issue without opening myself up to shrieking. WW 6-0.
5. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress
my discard doesn’t do much if you cast barren glory second. LL 0-6
6. Wrath of Pie: Eldrazi Temple, Thought-Knot Seer, Thought-Knot Seer, Spell Pierce
Disagreement: when you are OTP 1 TKS beats lutri. WL 3-3
7. jfb1337: Insist, White Plume Adventurer, You See a Guard Approach, Cathedral of War
Disagreement. I can attack with lutri before WPA grows both OTP and OTD. If you trade, I have take the initiative with my 2/1 before you get a creature. If you don’t trade, I win the race by chumping. WW 6-0
Lots of disagreements. 8 W 2 D 4 L for 26/42.
GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Discard"
1. silkster: Brain Maggot, Nimble Obstructionist, Ionize, Subtlety
Goblin smash, then discard 3-3
2. dte: Bayou, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Mayor of Avabruck, brain maggot
Goblin smash, then discard 3-3
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Duress, Erayo, Soratami Ascendant, Mana Vault, Empty the Warrens
That's me on Goblins again!!
4. FTW: Brainstorm, Violent Outburst, Restore Balance, Shrieking Affliction
Discard :( 0-6
5. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress
Goblin smash, then discard 3-3
6. Wrath of Pie: Eldrazi Temple, Thought-Knot Seer, Thought-Knot Seer, Spell Pierce
Goblin smash, then discard 3-3
7. jfb1337: Insist, White Plume Adventurer, You See a Guard Approach, Cathedral of War
Goblin smash!! 6-0
8. Reeplcheep: Lutri, Funeral Charm, Bojuka Bog, Hexdrinker
Goblin smash, then discard 3-3
Total: 21 goblin points
7. jfb1337: Insist, White Plume Adventurer, You See a Guard Approach, Cathedral of War
Not a good choice of protection spells this round.
1. silkster: Brain Maggot, Nimble Obstructionist, Ionize, Subtlety
LL - Too many counters.
2. dte: Bayou, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Mayor of Avabruck, brain maggot
LL - OTD discard. OTP I play white plume, brain maggot takes (or forces out) YSAGA, then grist kills white plume next turn
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Duress, Erayo, Soratami Ascendant, Mana Vault, Empty the Warrens
LL - OTP I play white plume, you make 8 gobos + leave erayo unflipped. Next turn you atk with all but 1, and are then able to indefinitely defend the initiative. OTD same.
4. FTW: Brainstorm, Violent Outburst, Restore Balance, Shrieking Affliction
LL - T0 balance
5. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress
LL - Barren glory wins
6. Wrath of Pie: Eldrazi Temple, Thought-Knot Seer, Thought-Knot Seer, Spell Pierce
WL - OTD discard. OTP I play WPA and cathedral, TKS takes YSAGA. Turn 2 I enter forge, WPA becomes 5/5 and attacks for 6. You can play a second TKS, but if you don't attack then I keep the initiative and win, whereas if you attack with both you lose one and I get back the initiative next turn anyway.
8. Reeplcheep: Lutri, Funeral Charm, Bojuka Bog, Hexdrinker
LL - by dte's calculations
Total: 1W = 3.
6. Wrath of Pie: Eldrazi Temple, Thought-Knot Seer, Thought-Knot Seer, Spell Pierce
1. silkster: Brain Maggot, Nimble Obstructionist, Ionize, Subtlety WL
2. dte: Bayou, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Mayor of Avabruck, brain maggot LL
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Duress, Erayo, Soratami Ascendant, Mana Vault, Empty the Warrens WL
4. FTW: Brainstorm, Violent Outburst, Restore Balance, Shrieking Affliction WW
5. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress WL
7. jfb1337: Insist, White Plume Adventurer, You See a Guard Approach, Cathedral of War WL
8. Reeplcheep: Lutri, Funeral Charm, Bojuka Bog, Hexdrinker WL
7w = 21 points
I am cursed to never finish above average.
Asthereal's scores for round three for the barren brain of dubiously glorious creativity:
1. silkster: Brain Maggot, Nimble Obstructionist, Ionize, Subtlety WL
OTP Duress the counter and Glory wins it. OTD you Maggot my stuff.
2. dte: Bayou, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Mayor of Avabruck, Brain maggot WL
OTP I discard your.. uh.. Duress? And drop Glory FTW. OTD you Maggot my Glory and I die to whatever.
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Duress, Erayo, Soratami Ascendant, Mana Vault, Empty the Warrens WL
OTP I drop Glory and make you discard Warrens. OTD you Duress my Glory and you win with whatever.
4. FTW: Brainstorm, Violent Outburst, Restore Balance, Shrieking Affliction LL
Uh.. what does this even do? On my upkeep you Brainstorm, put Balance on top, Affliction below, then cast Outburst leaving B open, Balance resolves. I have no hand. You then draw Affliction, cast it and I die. That's quite strong this late in the game.
5. Asthereal: Barren Glory, Lotus Petal, Lotus Petal, Duress <-me
Busy and so third time's a charm for the barren brain of depleted inspiration.
6. Wrath of Pie: Eldrazi Temple, Thought-Knot Seer, Thought-Knot Seer, Spell Pierce WL
OTP I Duress the Piece and then drop Glory FTW. OTD you dump a Seer that eats by Glory and I die.
7. jfb1337: Insist, White Plume Adventurer, You See a Guard Approach, Cathedral of War WW
I had to read these cards. Thankfully they don't seem to do very much against my plan.
8. Reeplcheep: Lutri, Funeral Charm, Bojuka Bog, Hexdrinker WW
Double own choice discard gets rid of my Duress and Petal. I still get to drop the Glory and win.
Total: 24 points. Crap, now I have to find a new deck to shamelessly copy. :laugh:
How do we draw with me OTP? I reckon I cast Duress for the WUBRG mana, take your Pierce, then play Petal, Petal, Glory and win on the next turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
I make you feel pity for me by your casting Lotus Petal first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
(I don't.)
Ah you made the same mistake I did last time around. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
Anyway, issue resolved then.
I updated the post and the spreadsheet. I may have things wrong but I had several disagreements that should get another eye.