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Thanks for the info. I have seen Earthquake mentioned before and I think I may lean that way as it's easier to cast and gives me reach (beyond Slogger) Has anyone had issues with tapping tombs for this with no moon effects out? Worst case I can run 2x Clasm and 1x QuakeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark_Cynic87
Rolling Earthquake on the other hand would put a hurting on my wallet so I'll stick with regular old quake.
I've been using Steam Blast instead of pyroclasm, to positive results.
It easier to cast without a moon out, the only downside is tapping a tomb taking 2 to turn around and take another 2, good suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION
Dragon Stompy won a 474-man event in France called the Bazaar de Moxen.
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=25933
The build is fairly boilerplate, except for one thing: he dropped 4x Arc-Slogger to fit in 4x Taurean Mauler. I realize this is just one list, but an event that big has to be of scientific merit, right?
I speculate that the 3x maindeck Jitte are a lot more important in the absence of Slogger. It's worth noting that there are no Merfolk or Goblins in the top 16.
Thoughts?
Also, questions about the sideboard:
1) How does Shattering Spree interact with Trinisphere and Chalice set at 1? What happens if I cast it paying 2R? What about RRR?
2) With Trinisphere down, to cast Pyrokinesis via the alternative cost, I still have to pay 3, yes?
3) Doesn't it piss you guys off to have REB/Pyroblast in your hand and Chalice set at 1? Just thinking about it makes me want to cast Boil.
Cheers.
Trinisphere and Chalice at 1 in play:
Spree cast for 2R (because of Trinisphere) -> Chalice counters it
502.52a - Replicate is a keyword that represents two abilities. The first is a static ability that functions while the spell is on the stack. The second is a triggered ability that functions while the spell is on the stack. "Replicate [cost]" means "As an additional cost to play this spell, you may pay [cost] any number of times" and "When you play this spell, if a replicate cost was paid for it, copy it for each time its replicate cost was paid. If the spell has any targets, you may choose new targets for any number of the copies." Paying a spell's replicate cost follows the rules for paying additional costs in Rule 409.1b and Rule 409.1f through Rule 409.1h. [Guildpact FAQ 2005/12/22]
As replicate is an additional cost which is paid before Trinisphere even considers increasing your cost Trinisphere doesn't do anything once you create at least 2 copies. Even though the original Spree will be countered by chalice the copies are not "played" and therefor do not trigger Chalice.
All this tells us is that Dragon Stompy is capable of doing well in a large event. We've known that for years. Just because a deck placed high in a large tournament doesn't mean its card choices are ideal. That said, there is zero justification for cutting the best creature in the deck for Taurean Mauler. None.Quote:
Originally Posted by danpo
1) Chalice at one will only counter the original Shattering Spree not the copies. To destroy a Chalice at one with Shattering Spree, you need to replicate at least once. If you play Shattering Spree with 2R and a Trinisphere out, you get to destroy one artifact. If you pay it with RRR when a Trinisphere is out you can choose whether to create zero, one, or two copies of the spell. You may target the same artifact with multiple copies. Paying for replicate satisfies Trinisphere's requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by danpo
2) Yes
3) That's why I don't run any red blasts in my list. The decks Chalice is strongest against are the same decks blasts are strongest against, and the two cards don't get along. I'd rather run Boil, but only if my metagame was loaded with blue decks.
I just played an event in Oshawa On at When Worlds Collide it was part of their Legacy for a Mox *blank* events this one was for an Emerald and theirs one coming up in July for a Pearl *plug* DStompy was great and turn one chalice @1 basically ruins the format. I remember most of what happened so here it is:
Round 1: Servants Stone I think?
Game 1, for the first few turns it looked like we were playing the same deck until he dropped a Grindstone and that was that. Game 2, I lay a first turn needle on Grindstone and he ends up grinding me out on turn 2 boo!
Round 2: Cephalid Breakfast
Game 1, I get a turn 1 CoV @1 and applied the beats before I saw what his deck was all about. Game 2, this one is drawn out due to the fact I can't find a threat to save my life my board was CoV @ 1,2 and Trinisphere and a Slogger staring down a goyf I top decked another slogger and won.
Round 3: Canadian Thresh
All I have to say about this round is it's a great matchup when you land an early Chalice or Trinisphere and not a good matchup when you all of a sudden forget to play the game of Magic a punt huge. I had him loced under a turn one Chalice, Trinisphere and Blood Moon and I let him bolt two of my Dragons. This Sloppy play resulted in his concession and he offered me the win but I decided to take the draw due to it being a F'up on my end as well.
Round 4: I can't remember anything about this round other then he wastelocked me both games and destroyed any permanents I manged to land.
That's where my memory falls right off. The deck was great (I was not)
Props:
-When Worlds Collide - always a great event worth the 2 hour drive.
- Chris and Ben for putting up with my s*it
- David Caplan for some crazy T4 action
-Picked up 2 more Tundras at a decent price
Slops:
-Me for punting huge
-The shops fridge broke so luke warm coke was the order of the day
-Sticking 25ish geeks all in a room together gets warm, uncomfortably warm
I have dropped songs and slogger for more threats. Goblin Assault and Jitte's, and uping maulers to 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wereodile
Assault haven't been testing very well. It's the best threat red has to offer which costs 2R. I personally dislike song very much as we only have our first 7 (quite often 6) to play with and mox and SSG is card-loss already. Topdecking song midgame is a pure disaster when you want threats.
If Arc-Slogger isn't a threat, what is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by mercc
Goblin Assault is worse than Arc-Slogger?! It can't be! 1/1s are so much better than a three-turn clock. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mercc
Taurean Mauler is a much better threat than Goblin Assault. Mauler forces your opponent to kill it or watch it get huge.
What are you trying to say? You upped Maulers to four while calling Goblin Assault the best 2R threat in red but said they aren't testing well?
Hellbent good. Dropping Chalice + Threat/Trinisphere/Moon good. Turn one Slogger or Pit Dragon good.Quote:
Originally Posted by mercc
Oh, and if you have a Rakdos Pit Dragon on the table, Seething Song is the best midgame topdeck you could ask for.
If you can't deal with the card disadvantage go play Landstill.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuma
^^New hero.:laugh:
Many, many lists are running Arc-Slogger along with Mauler, you don't really need to choose either/or.Quote:
Originally Posted by danpo
My current list:
11 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Chrome Mox
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Arc Slogger
3 Seething Song
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Gathan Raiders
4 Taurean Mauler
2 Blood Moon
4 Trinisphere
4 Chalice of the Void
SB:
3 Boil
3 Powder Keg
3 Pyroclasm
2 Pyrokenisis
2 Pithing Needle
2 Umezawa's Jitte
This is working well for me at the moment.
Here is the list I recently played, I was happy with the list other then a 3rd Jitte would have been nice as I didn't see them often enough imo. It's all quite standard:
//Creatures//
4x Rakdos Pit Dragon
4x Gathan Raiders
4x Simian Spirit Guide
4x Magus of the Moon
3x Arc Slogger
3x Tauren Mauler
//Spells//
4x Seething Song
//Enchantments//
2x Blood Moon
//Artifacts//
4x Chalice of the Void
4x Trinisphere
4x Chrome Mox
2x Jitte
//Land//
4x Ancient Tomb
4x City of Traitors
10x Mountain
//Sideboard//
3x Pyroclasm
3x Boil
3x Shattering Spree
3x Pithing Needles
3x Powder Keg
I really didn't board that much throughout the day, basically needles and Spree's came in.
I've dropped Jittes from the maindeck as well. They're great against aggro and random stuff, but against a low-threat density meta (8-10 creature Thresh lists, Dreadstill, etc) that Dragon Stompy will typically be played in, I think Jitte in the board is the right call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe_C
Did you guys see the Dragon Stompy deck that won the Bazaar of Moxen tournament?
Dragon Stompy by Francesco dalla Via
Mainboard:
4 Blood Moon
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 Chrome Mox
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Seething Song
3 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Gathan Raiders
3 Trinisphere
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
10 Mountain
4 Taurean Mauler
Sideboard:
3 Powder Keg
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Shattering Spree
3 Pyrokinesis
3 Red Elemental Blast
Interesting cutting the Sloggers...
He could'nt afford :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Esper3k
just kidding
I don't see any reason to cut it...
It is the best threat in the whole deck...
and with mauler (a virtual meneace) a couple of removal starts to get no use...
Blood moon still good as 2 in MD and maybe 1 SB...
Congratz to the italian boy...
First of all, congratulations to Francesco! 1st place shows skill, no matter what. Even if I disagree with the decklist, and so I'll enter the debate:smile:
At some point in this thread someone wrote that 10 is a small number of games to play in order to test a deck vs. another deck, and I partially agree. Small no, but not big enough. Now in a tournament you play less games than that vs. each other deck. His list did undoubtedly a damn good job, but so have done many decklists with Slogger in the past, and this deck has a history to support your choices.
Don't get me wrong, I like innovation, and the guy had balls to try and pilot such a bold list that good!! But even when the best player in the galaxy plays, Magic will always be skill and luck. Francesco could have forseen his meta as well and probably he made the right choice. Again, I'm not trying to say that he got lucky to be 1st. 1st place shows far more than luck.. But luck is always a factor.
The question is: If he played again the same series of games 10, 100, 1000 times what would the results be? Test it and find out if you are so eager to cut Sloggers completely. Maybe if our new champion read this thread somehow he could give us a useful play report and then we could msw his opponents vs one of our friends. Of course his opponents would play their decks better probably. If a sourcer knows Francesco please let him know of our thread.
Lastly, don't forget that the 1st two choices that make DS successful and famous are Moons and Chalice. It is them that do all the dirty job most of the times in this format, even if some of our other choices are not that good. It could be them winning a large portion of that tournament as well.
And the cool pilot of course.
Sunday I played Dragon Stompy in a small Legacy tournament at my local comic shop. This is the list I played.
11x Mountain
4x City of Traitors
4x Ancient Tomb
4x Chrome Mox
4x Simian Spirit Guide
4x Rakdos Pit Dragon
4x Arc Slogger
4x Seething Song
4x Gathan Raiders
4x Trinisphere
4x Magus of the Moon
4x Chalice of the Void
2x Blood Moon
1x Banefire
2x Sulfur Elemental
SB--
1x Pyroblast
1x Red Elemental Blast
3x Boil
2x Jitte
2x Blood Moon
2x Sun Droplet
4x Ingot Chewer
It's pretty close to Mink's list, which I really liked, but I had to sub in Sulfur Elementals for Taurean Maulers because I couldn't get my hands on them. Thus, Sulfur Elementals went in since I like Flash, and I threw in a solo banefire.
Round one I played against Mono Green BerserkStompy. I lost the die roll and lost game 1 on turn two. I got game 2 with turn 1 trinisphere and then a bunch of crazy creatures, and game 3 with jitte on a gathan raiders on turn 2.
Round two I played against Eva Green and mulled to five both games, with no first turn plays in any of those six hands. naturally I lost.
Round three I played against It's The Fear and won game 1 with magus and chalice and trinisphere. Game 2 I had turn 1 blood moon, turn two chalice and thurn 3 sphere followed by big beasties.
Cut to top 4, I played against Ankh of Mishra. I won both games pretty handily by landing moons and chalices and spheres and beating down.
Finals I played against the Eva Green guy again and once again mulled to five both games with my 5 card hand in game 1 giving me turn 1 chalice but no second land. Game 2 was equally pathetic but with no turn one play.
Overall, the decklist played great, and other than the complete bull!@#$ mulligans against the eva green player, I loved it. I might be playing this deck at the end of the month in a tournament for a black lotus.
With or with out mauler?Quote:
Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION
If I can get them, I'd probably go with the mauler.