gotcha that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qweerios
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gotcha that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qweerios
Sincerely disagree with this. He applies card advantage but generally to what end? You want to just find a guy to kill jace with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qweerios
Primal Hunter makes tokens, and he might draw you into a way to deal with jace, but the reality is if they have any threat at all down he bounces the token and kills primal hunter.
People can swing into his tokens with mediocre goyfs, they can't swing into Relentless tokens since they have deathtouch. Relentless also straight tutors your win conditions at no mana. That is by far the most powerful function a card can have for GB--tutor Grave Titan for free. He's a sac outlet for veterans, and his ultimate is relevant with zombie tokens.
Nic Fit doesn't need a lot of cards, it just needs the right ones, it quite naturally ends up in top-deck mode very quickly and you bank on your top-decks being better than theirs with a top out. Relentless ensures massive, massive card quality.
To be completely honest with you, if your opponent has a threat and a Jace, there isn't much you can do, and there is nothing Relentless can do more than PH on his own in that specific scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kich867
As far as CQ vs. CA goes with regards to both Garruks, keep in mind the matchup you want it for. Between drawing 3+ cards and sacrificing a creature to find a card, there is no contest there, take the 3+ cards. If your deck is redundant enough you are more likely to net a piece of removal, two pieces of pressure, or one of each (note that you also draw for that turn so thats 4 cards deep if in topdeck mode) than to have your tutored piece not dealt with. I personally played many variants of Blade Control decks to great success, and I can assure you that UW based control decks are based on 1 for 1 exchange and when you go for CQ, unless it is uncounterable, you won' get very far when your opponent is brainstorming every turn. The only massive thing about Relentless' tutor ability is the amount of setup required to get to that point... Also, let's not forget that Garruk PH's ultimate is a win-con, while Relentless' hardly is.
Don't kid yourself, Nic fit does need a lot of cards, after all, it is a control deck. It may not look like it, but the deck is built on card disadvantage and has to make up for it somehow. The most common ways of doing so is by hitting 2 cards with Therapy and Deeding for 2+ permanents, but there is another way: Top. Top assures CQ because it extend our hand size by 3-6 cards, and CQ is merely another virtual way to offset Nic Fit's built-in CDa.
There is no denying that Relentless is good, it clearly has more synergy with the rest of the deck, but PH is simply stronger, it has more impact. Every card in your deck has a purpose, so think of why you want that card in your deck and how it solves certain issues.
I use 2 Extirpate, 2 Nihil Spellbomb, and I side in most discard spells as well. There isn't much you can do against an Entomb/Reanimation/Counterspell hand if you're on the draw. Just like any combo deck, there is the possibility that they blow you out without fighting back because you don't have FoW in your deck. All I can tell you is don't try to react to a reanimated creature, prevent it from happening. Grisselbrand will not be removed and you won't trump him either. In the past I have played against Reanimator a lot (mainly with BUG Fit variants) and I have won most of my matches. The games I win always go long but one thing is constant throughout the matches, when my opponent manages to reanimate within the first 2 turns, I lose. My bombs always end up in my sideboard and my win-cons consist of Witness and Ooze beatdown. Note that I played Negates at the time and I usualy had 2-3 Lilies and 2-3 Jace as milestones in that matchup (nothing really sticks against a PW).Quote:
Originally Posted by Siiig
Question for Scapewishers: If I wanted to remove Olivia and the Hellion, what would I replace them with?
I think at Scapewish as a sort of swiss-knife deck with an answer to virtually anything, this is why I temporarily opted to add 1x Acidic Slime for nasty lands. I really hate to lose because of it, even though its rare.
I was also thinking about 1x Dragon Broodmother, what do you guys think about it? I wanted a flying guy to replace Olivia and this one seems to make the job pretty good.
I made the changes just to fill the slots until a better idea comes out, so let me know why do u think Slime is bad in Scapewish and why the Dragon mother is horrible :)
how often should you keep a hand that doens't have either Explorer or Therapy. i find that sometimes my hands have either one or the other or neither.
While I have little experience with the deck, it would seem to me that it is more important to have a Therapy than an Explorer if you only have one, since your deck effectively runs 7-8 Explorers.
Below is the SB ive been running and liking. The 4th REB could be a 3rd Extirpate. I really like extirpate against combo decks, miracles and of course reanimator. With the rebs, discard, and extipates (and reanimate and IB) I dont think ive lose to reanimator in a tourny yet. You can side out some of your HM and thrags, and either combo win, or drop a HM off a GSZ and just win with that in a few turns. Just watch out for their S&T game 2+3 and sometimes game 1, as some people have been maindecking them with DRS being a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siiig
SB:
2 Extirpates
4 REB
1 Scapeshift
1 Slaughter games
1 perish
1 pyroclasm
1 reanimate
1 damnation
1 Pulse
1 Innocent blood
1 Thoughtseize
It is very hard to keep up with this thread. You miss one day and your behind like 300 pages lol. I think we need sub threads for the different versions.
But anyway, I think I am going to try a different approach for SB with Rector Fit. NO only really helps me vs 12 post and I am not sure that they will even make an appearance at SCG Cincy. So I am just going to focus on making my combo match up better. I can't even attempt to play against Miracles without Choke, I need to cut down on their Top mana so I'm putting it back in. I seen someone talk about Acidic Slime. How is that working out? I'm thinking of putting some in my SB as a Green Sun target as it gets rid of annoying lands.
Other than that I think I am going to have a full rector SB. Was thinking of adding a 4th Rector also, any thoughts?
Hell yeah! Now all we need is a Scapewish player and we'll have a fairly solid "team" for SCG Cincy 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by CRich3
Anyhow, my list.
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Eternal Witness
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
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2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Batterskull
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4 Cabal Therapy
4 Pernicious Deed
2 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Damnation
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4 Brainstorm
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Living Wish
1 Diabolic Intent
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1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
2 Mishra's Factory
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Island
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2 Carpet of Flowers
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Cranial Extraction
1 Memoricide
2 Mindbreak Trap
2 Living Wish
1 Angel of Despair
1 Karakas
1 Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Bojuka Bog
Sideboard Strategies--Combo:
TES/Belcher: -1 Thrun, -1 Skull, -2 JMS, -2 Damnation, -1 Ooze, +3 Surgical, +1 Cranial, +1 Memoricide, +2 MBT
Elves!: -1 Thrun, -1 Skull, -2 JMS, -2 Pulse, -1 Ooze, +3 Surgical, +1 Cranial, +1 Memoricide, +2 MBT
Omni/Sneak: -1 Thrun, -1 Skull, -2 JMS, -4 Deed, -1 Ooze, +2 Carpet, +3 Surgical, +1 Cranial, +1 Memoricide, +2 Wish
Reasonings:
-MBT will not stop Elves before they start, but it will stop them before they finish. Either they'll have to stop short and cast Craterhoof Behemoth next turn, provided their Elves don't meet the graveyard, or they'll have to risk casting it into MBT and then lose all of their Elves. Same goes for Belcher going LED+Belcher route, although in this instance, that's the equivalent of MBTing a Storm Spell.
-Wish for Angel/Karakas is my only out against Sneak and Omni, but Wish itself is fairly meh in other matchups, hence the 1 Main 2 Side split.
-The Troll Package (Thrun, Skull, Jace), while hilarious against fair decks, does not do well against combo decks.
-Carpet is not as crucial imo with Miracles dying out.
Honestly.... Advice and tips are good. And i completely agree that this thread is soo weird bc theres 4 versions. But some of us or some ppl need to just go out and test that shit out, im not hating or anything lol im just saying in general because sometimes some things might work for you but not for someone else. Then once you've done that then bring your two cents + evidence and then that will help this 4 version deck grow. Bc I guarantee that everyone here has different experiences with magic and wayy different play styles. Just like last time i posted on here, Arianhood likes the aggro side of the deck and i like the I win scapeshift combo way more.... And rectpr fit, dont get me started but that deck can just become soo broken but based on your on what you like and know how to work around. Im not hating, im just basically saying, go and learn the deck, 100 bucks says you'll find the answer your looking for and you'll bring it back and then nic fit is gonna be DTB.
Remember, it was said when this deck was made, that you basically have to accept losing for a while until you learn this thing in and out.
@ Qweerios I use 2 Extirpate, 2 Nihil Spellbomb, I see SB with nihil spellbomb or Tormods crypt. What is the advantage of spellbomb? The extra card draw. It does cost more mana. Crypt would be on the table faster?
I thought about it but cannot figure it out so I value your opinion.
On another note: because the thread is reaching page 200 soon (great achievement nic fittirs (fitties?) and because there are so many posts. Woul it be an idea just to refer to a post number rather than posting the decklists everytime when we quote a post. This would give us more posts per page which makes it far more easier to view.
Keep on posting.
I have had 2 abrupt decays in that slot since I cut bonfire. And it has been awesome. I dont think the deck needs either of those creatures. You can have Sowing Salt in your SB for lands, and at GSZ 6 you always want prime titan.Quote:
Originally Posted by sderenatore
If you dont already, you should try playing the deck on cockatrice against some of the teir 1 decks. You will see in certain matches you want one of those cards much more than the other. For example, against BUG a resolved explorer is a moat, while against UWx control you dont want to even think about setting off an explorer till you are sure your hand is a lot scarier than theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZimAshe
@Cire_dk
Theres a setting to switch it to 40 posts per page, which is really nice.
@Queerios/kich
Totally Agree with Queerios here. Prime hunter is the way to go in GB. Also something to note, flipped relentless dies to abrupt decay.
kabards' list seems solid, guess this would be my starting point then :laugh:
If they keep in abrupt decay against this deck by all means.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheArchitect
I'll likely be throwing together my G/B list again (or maybe G/B/w for Sigarda / Sun Titan / Teeg and other white goodies) and do more playtesting with it. I just need to buy a set of Veteran Explorer's again and it's done haha. In my time playing it though, Garruk Relentless was by far the best card in the deck. We have so many saccable targets between Fierce Empath and Dryad Arbor and Explorer's and random tokens, it's just amazing.
hmm either abrupt decays or maelstrom pulsesQuote:
Originally Posted by sderenatore
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kich867
FWIW when I was playing in an event with GBW i was never able to keep a Relentless on the board against a blue player. it's almost like they were afraid of him.
I actually don't really -like- the aggro plan -- Nic Fit is a true hybrid to me, with control as the central ethic. My playstyle is more like control first, combo deck, aggro third; as far as the various plans go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petree
But yeah, aside from that, I agree with everything you said =)
The default for those slots is a pair of Abrupt Decays (or 3 Decays if you want to keep it at 61). You're far from locked into that, though, and there's a lot of flexibility to be had. I don't personally favor the Decay plan in Scapewish, but I also haven't found anything better yet in my various testings. There's probably something better, but I don't know what it is at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by sderenatore
Carpet isn't just for Miracles, or I'd agree with you. It's also for Esperblade, BUG of any variety, RUG, and blue-based combo. That said, I think that your board is reasonable for SCG Cinci, given what we know now. Keep a very close eye on Edison, though, and I'll try to provide as much meta-based data as I possibly can for you guys -- Edison and Cinci's metas will likely be fairly similar due to their relative closeness geographically. I won't be at Cinci, though =(Quote:
Originally Posted by EpicLevelCommoner
On that note, is anyone else here going to Edison?
Also, we're probably hitting 200 today. #Celebration
While I certainly understand why you want Carpet against those decks, what do you board out for it? It's always the hardest to bring in, i find, since you're usually cutting business spells for mana. At least in the Miracles matchup you're making the easy swap of 3 Explorers for 3 Carpet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
I almost always swap 3 for 3, except vs Combo. And vs Combo, you have so many bad cards that it's easy to make the cuts. Like, vs Esperblade, say, I still take out the 3 Explorers. BUG and RUG is a little trickier. If I know that they don't have Stifle, then I'll board out a few Therapies since they basically HAVE to crack my Explorer via combat at some point. If I suspect that they have stifle, though, I usually trim out some of my top-end....like Empath/Yosei/Titan for the 3 Carpets. Depends on what else I'm running in the sideboard and what else I want to board in.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrIggins
you can also remove grave titan and change it to Garruk Relentless <-- if it flips it becomes tutor, or Garruk Primal Hunter since you were in BG list.Quote:
Originally Posted by sherko7
Nihil is all-around better for its cantrip effect. When playing against other GY dependant decks such as Dredge, Loam, Lands, RUG (if it was relevant), or even Esperblade, there is a lot of value to be had out of exiling a GY at the sole cost of 1B. As far as exiling an entire GY goes, both Tormod and Nihil enable that effect on turn 1. If you are having issues mainly with Reanimator, Tormod's Crypt has its perks because it dodges daze on the draw (most likely in G3). If Mental Misstep was legal, I would probably advocate Crypt > Spellbomb but as it is now, the vulnerability of Spellbomb in that particular matchup is insignificant compared to the benefits of drawing a card in a wider spectrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire_dk
***EDIT: First!
You mean, Three thousand nine hundred and eighty first. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Qweerios
Surgical effects are just overall not powerful enough at the moment. Not in this meta anyway
I've actually found them to be devastatingly efficient. Most decks run so few 'true' threats that even removing all copies of tarmo or jace from a deck can completely cripple them for awhile. Then again I've been using extirpate in my current Goblins build, so perhaps that's only with the added pressure of fast aggro on the board, but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
But on a side note, I had ended up looking into this deck some 6 months ago, and am VERY interested in making one. It looks like an absolute blast to pilot. Do we have any current 'core cards' list for the GBw and scapeshift variants? Or do I need to just take some time and muscle my way through the pages :tongue:
Thanks in advance, and kudos to designers of this monster and thanks for all the work you've put in to the primer :cool:
This is hte list I've been using to some success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remy
Junk Nic Fit (GWB Explorer)
Creatures:
4x Veteran Explorer
1x Wall of Blossoms
1x Qasali Pridemage
2x Scavenging Ooze
1x Eternal Witness
1x Kitchen Finks
1x Fierce Empath
2x Thrun, the Last Troll
1x Wickerbough Elder
1x Thragtusk
1x Grave Titan
1x Sun Titan
Spells:
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Green Sun's Zenith
2x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skeletal Scrying
4x SwordS to Plowshares
2x Liliana of the Veil
2x Pernicious Deed
1x Recurring Nightmare
1x Vindicate
Lands:
3x Bayou
2x Savannah
1x Scrubland
3x Forest
2x Swamp
2x Plains
3x Verdant Catacombs
3x Windswept Heath
1x Marsh Flats
1x Phyrexian Tower
I personally like skeletal scrying but it can easily be taken out to add the third Pernicious Deed
The heart and soul of any Nic Fit is as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by Remy
4x Veteran Explorer
4x Cabal Therapy
From there, you have the lesser staples: things that you may not need a full playset of but are nice to have:
2-4x Green Sun's Zenith
2-4x Pernicious Deed
3x [0x] Sensei's Divining Top [0 is just fine if running 4x Brainstorm]
1-3x Eternal Witness
Then there's the matter of a recursion engine, which most Nic Fit lists tend to run to great success:
1x Phyrexian Tower [+] 1x Volrath's Stronghold [Tutorable via GSZ into PrimeTime]
1x Recurring Nightmare
Some GSZ targets would be nice, but there's a megaton of options here, so just let me just say that, because of Deed, you'll want all your bomby creatures to be CMC=>4 for the most part. The exception to this is Scavenging Ooze, since while he can be bomby, he has great utility in omnoming yards. Also, utility creatures, especially manadorks, are expendable.
Now that's out of the way, time for additional control elements.
Maelstrom Pulse [Good against Planeswalkers, Tokens, high CMC creatures, enchantments, and artifacts]
Abrupt Decay [Good for spot removal and punching through Counterbalance/Chalice of the Void/Force of Will/etc.]
Krosan Grip [Good in conjunction with Abrupt Decay]
Damnation/Innocent Blood/Diabolic Edict [Same function, different perks: all can get rid of Iona on Green [which severely cripples Nic Fit tbh], Progenitus, and Emrakul. Damnation acts as another sweeper, IB acts as another cheap sac-outlet for Vet, and Edict has instant speed in case they Omni/Sneak any of them in.]
And that's about all I can chime in on: best to wait for someone with more experience though ^_^
This is a 4-of. Any less is 100 percent wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpicLevelCommoner
I haven't played it as a 4-off for a long time, only sporting 4 in my Junk-like list now, often my BUG lists don't even run it at all, because it's very Planeswalker heavy and doesnt need the green utility creatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaNDoMxGeSTuReS
I have to agree with RandomGestures that any less than 4GSZ is a mistake. Nic Fit's goal is to pop an explorer, and GSZ provides copies #5-8 with added benefits. Just like any respectable Delver decks, they need their 4 Brainstorms and 4 Ponders to be successful. I have played PW heavy lists in the past with as few as 9 creatures and the 4 GSZ have never left the main. I would go as far as to say that even more so in these lists that the 4 GSZs are crucial considering how you tend to clog your hands with 3-5 CMC PWs and relatively slow removal.
If I could only pack 7 Explorers in a deck, I would cut the 4th Explorer before the 4th GSZ without the shadow of a doubt.
RaNDoMxGeSTuReS was my round 3 opponent in that tournament. He's also my roommate. Being my roommate, he knows a thing or two about the deck and is correct in his assessment that 4 GSZ is absolutely correct for exactly the reasons Qweerios stated. (I happened to run 4 in that particular list anyway) His comments on that report were in good jest.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpicLevelCommoner
On another note for ZimAshe:
You really should play the 3rd Deed and the 3rd Top. I would cut the Scrying and the second Thrun. You really don't need two. Ever. You could also cut one of the Artifact/Enchantment kill effects. Probably Wickerbough. Pridemage should be enough.
Wooo page 200!Quote:
Originally Posted by Remy
Now, for comments on this --- ELC's got it pretty much right, but I'm going to give my perspective on the various versions' staples.
ALL Nic Fit, and I mean ALL, starts with the following:
4 Veteran
1 Eternal Witness
4 Therapy
3 Deed
3 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Phyrexian Tower
These are immutable truths. Every single Nic Fit list should run these cards. Someeeeeeeetimes you can get away with shaving a Deed if you have access to other sweepers maindeck (usually in blue versions), but Deed is just so critical that I don't know if that's correct even with Damnations or blue manipulation.
Most versions run Green Sun's Zenith. I personally run 3 in Rector, because of the large quantity of white creatures in the deck that cannot be Zenithed, but the next slot that I open up in the deck will be going to the 4th Green Sun. I -have- been wanting it for a while now...I just need to figure out what I want to cut. I also need to get my 4th jap foil so that they all match -.-
Scapewish runs 4, and I would recommend every non-blue version run 4. Blue versions are weird. The Jace-control varieties want GSZ, whereas Chronos for sure doesn't want it, and Future Fit is conflicted on the issue. I've been in a tuning cycle, so I haven't been working on the blue versions as much as Rector and Scapewish lately. For now, I'd recommend that you steer clear of the blue lists, while we work on hammering them out better.
Most Nic Fit lists run some kind of backup ramp dude, usually one that's one-sided -- I favor Sakura-Tribe Elder, while Tao prefers Sylvan Ranger. Others use Viridian Emissary. The choice between them largely comes down to the style of your deck. Sakura-Tribe provides an easy way to get a dude into the graveyard for Recurring Nightmare shenanigans, and it's also guaranteed ramp that doesn't involve needing to die to trigger. At the same time, it does have the drawback that you can't ramp -and- use it for Therapy, which can be relevant.
Then you have the recursion engine. A lot of lists add a 2nd Eternal Witness, and then it's usually split down the middle between Volrath's Stronghold or Recurring Nightmare. Rector prefers Nightmare for obvious reasons (tutorable), while G/B does the same with Stronghold (Primeval Titan). I personally don't run either in Scapewish, but some favor Stronghold for that list.
Aside from that....most of the rest of the space is filled up by your win conditions and your engine packages. If you opt to not run an engine, then you just put in more discard and removal, and season to taste.
I'll clarify.
I've come to realize that there are two basic "styles" of Nic Fit decks, on a base level: those with gimmicks, and those without. A gimmick can be defined as an extra engine that makes the deck -do- something, aside from just ramp and play big fat fatties while controlling the board state. Scapewish and Rector are both gimmick lists, as Scapewish has Burning Wish and Rector has...well...Rectors. At the same time, there are straight Jund and straight Junk lists of Nic Fit that don't run a gimmick, but play more like a Big Jund or a Big Junk, with relation to their smaller siblings (which do not run Explorer). Same with Jace Nic Fit as compared to something like Future Fit.
So....basically you've got a short list (per above) of the core staples that each version shares. Then you've got some thinking and deciding to do -- what splash color do you want, if any, and then what gimmick do you want, if any. Then we can give you more specific advice from there.
My bad: I felt like I was being challenged on that particular subject since I've dropped to 3x GSZ a long time ago in BUG Nic Fit, and, after some unnecessary investigation, I came to the wrong conclusion about Random Gestures.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyT
@ Random Gestures: I'm sorry, and this time there is no sarcasm.
Anyhow, the reason why I don't run 4x GSZ is because, strangely enough, is that they're too consistent. And by that I mean, if you're stuck in a position where you have to spin Top, crack Fetches, and play an empty GSZ for an answer, the last thing you want is to brick on that GSZ. 3x seems like a good number for me, as any crucial GSZ targets are already in at 2x or 4x anyway.
I'm trying to nuke out the perks of going Junk-Fit over straight G/B.
A small list would be:
Sigarda
Sun Titan
Qasali Pridemage
Gaddock Teeg
Are there any others? Would you bother running swords in Junk-Fit (not rector, just junk-fit)?
Off the top of my head this would be something my list looks like:
//Creatures: 15
4x Veteran Explorer
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Fierce Empath
1x Eternal Witness
2x Thragtusk
1x Wolfir Silverheart
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
1x Sun Titan
1x Grave Titan
// Spells and Stuff: 22
3x Pernicious Deed
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Cabal Therapy
2x Garruk Relentless
3x Sensei's Divining Top
2x Maelstrom Pulse
4x Swords to Plowshares
// Lands: 23
2x Bayou
2x Scrubland
2x Savannah
3x Verdant Catacombs
3x Marsh Flats
4x Forest
3x Swamp
1x Plains
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Phyrexian Tower
1x Volrath's Stronghold
I agree with Arianrhod's core, especially in that 4x GSZ is not necessary (although it may be optimal, depending on the list). I played a Birthing Pod list for a while which ran more random non-green utility creatures (Reveillark, for example) and fewer GSZs.
Pod's almost certainly not a good call at the moment, though, with all the Deathrites around.
EDIT: I don't think swords is necessary--Deed kills most of the threats in the format, and pulse/vindicate hits the others. Or you can just block their creatures with Baneslayers etc.
I wouldn't even know what to fill those slots with. I could run 2x vindicate just for more flexible removal but then those last 2 spots, no idea. I had to cave to put a second thragtusk in just to hit 60 cards with this list haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by brattin
Do you actually read anything you write here? You lack simplicity and concise English. I read most of your posts and they consist of regurgitated information or simply horrible ideas. They. Are. Bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpicLevelCommoner
Also:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...0-UW-Bomberman
If you're casting GSZ and fail to find you're either...
A. Winning the game
B. Losing anyway
The reason you play 1-2 copies of most creatures is because you play GSZ as a 4-of. It makes little sense to play 1-2 copies of it when you play a tool box of creatures.
"Bricking" on GSZ is such an unlikely scenario. If that's the case, you should have probably scooped already or just played storm combo.
So you want as high chance as possible to draw GSZ so you can win with durdle.dec.
ELC apologized. There's no reason to keep pressuring him just because you disagree with him. And as someone who worked in the Writing Center for my college as a tutor, I take offensive to you criticizing his linguistic skills. Trust me, ELC's writing is a hell of a lot better than 75% of college students today. That this is even a topic for discussion on an international website for a hobby we all enjoy horrifies me.
I say again: he apologized. Move on.
From Bardo, ala The Source forum rules:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
1.0 Writing Skills
Presenting your thoughts clearly and coherently encourages others to take you seriously and to listen to what you have to say. The best way to do this is to use proper grammar, punctuation, capitalization, and sentence structure.
I'm a professional writer. I take offense to his writing. Apologies don't mean anything when intent shows otherwise.
Moving along now.
So there's this hot new deck out there you guys might be interested in. It's a BGx control deck that abuses the synergy between Veteran Explorer and Cabal Therapy to disrupt the opponent and ramp into big finishers. I think the kids were calling it "Nic Fit"?
I think it has lots of potential. Can we discuss this idea instead?
For a professional writer, you don't understand English very well, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by RaNDoMxGeSTuReS
Since you want to reference the forum rules:
This is not a mandate. This is not worthy of you condemning him. Do you show up waving your stacks of papers in the faces of every person on this forum who is English-Second Language? There a lot of people on this forum for whom English is not their first language. While I do not believe that ELC is among their number, I will never criticize someone's ideas merely because they aren't skilled in expressing them properly, with the utmost poise and precision as allowed by language.Quote:
Presenting your thoughts clearly and coherently encourages others to take you seriously and to listen to what you have to say. The best way to do this is to use proper grammar, punctuation, capitalization, and sentence structure.
And coming in here, saying about how you're "moving on," while unloading a passive-aggressive load of BULLSHIT, is not advancing the thread nor the well-being of its attending members. If you have truly moved on, you won't even reply to this. You'll take your arrogance and your elitist attitude, and you'll kindly remove yourself back to a thread that cares.
I do not suffer the presence of trolls. ELC may not be the most accomplished member of this thread, but I will not allow anyone to blithely poke their head in here and start potshotting the players who make this thread the best goddamn community on the Source. ELC is as entitled to his opinion as anyone else in this thread, and he is entitled to express that opinion how he deems fit. If he is taken less seriously as a result, then that's on him, and nobody else. Citing rules and acting like a pompous ass will not make you friends, nor will it win you points for your side of the argument.