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Rise looks interesting enough, but it might just be too cute.
@borz: You're right that the meta might not be very good for Bob... It just feels weird to not have him in a black list, to me. But if I ever go into black your list might be a starting point for me (unless I just go BUG).
Oh, and your english is pretty good, don't worry. :)
I've been playing Defector's list from page 100. It is really good and has few bad matchups. I just started playing Thresh and gotta say it is alot of fun to play Delver makes the deck so good.
It's still a great deck, no one has brought it down yet. GW Maverick i.e. is not a good matchup, maybe, but I'm not having THAT much trouble with it, really.
A problem I do have is that there suddenly is 3 burn decks in our meta, and some random zoo-like decks, I will be running CB/top next week, anyone got a decent list? I'm thinking less wastes, more lands, 4 snappys. But I'd love to have someone who actually have played it's input.
Sorry if this might sound like a dumb question, which is better to board in vs maverick, mind harness or submerge? I'm planning to change my submerges and try mind harnesses.
Probably Submerge. You can Submerge in response to a shuffle-effect, like cracking a fetch or activating Knight of the Reliquary or casting Green Sun's Zenith. Submerge is free and at instant speed. Mind Harness is nice because you actually get the card, but it is susceptible to Qasali Pridemage and Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast. I think when you use Mind Harness, the creature comes over tapped, so it's not like you can use it until your next turn. I don't view the cumulative upkeep on Mind Harness as such a bad deal, as you can usually pay it for 2-3 turns and that's usually enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheerios
Another top8 for me, this time at a 72men tournament.
2-1 imperial painter
2-1 maverick
2-1 MUD
ID maverick (friend of mine)
2-1 maverick
2-1 maverick
ID
Top8
1-2 maverick (we wasted than surgically extracted my volcs and I lost because he was in bolt range but couldn't cast it FTW..)
Were you playing the same list as before? What's your secret to beating Maverick so consistently? It's very impressive.
I'm curious too! I've basically been playing the same list but -2 fire//ice +2 snappy.
I'm also envious that you have so many big tournaments.
This wednesday I'll try this list: http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=939103 (-1 grim +1 bolt).
I took first at the last Jupiter Event.
Here's a tournament report if you care:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...609#post605609
Fire//Ice is still sweet.
Hey all. I top 4ed with a UR Tempo deck, forgoing the green for Goyfs, but still keeping the Stifle Wasteland package, making this deck more similar to Thresh than to the UR Delver Burn decks that have been popping up.
Here's a link to the tournament report: http://jupitergamesonline.com/2011/8...rnament-report.
And here's the list:
Main deck:
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Delver of Secrets
3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Chain Lightning
2 Dismember
4 Stifle
4 Brainstorm
3 Preordain
4 Force of Will
3 Spell Pierce
3 Daze
2 Island
1 Mountain
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
4 Volcanic Island
Sideboard:
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Smash to Smithereens
2 Shattering Spree
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Pyroblast
3 Surgical Extraction
3 Submerge
That Delver Burn list sure looks like fun though.
A few questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyvith
1) Why preordain over ponder?
2) Were you actually able to cast Jace with 19 lands? Seems like 3 should be the top of the curve.
3) What, if anything, would you change about the deck after the tournament? What were the easy/hard match ups?
4) Did you ever want Price of Progress? - NM, just read your tourney report and now I understand - possible a singleton sideboard in the future - interesting you played against Doug!
5) From your tournament report: "When he Brainstormed with no fetches in play at the end of my turn with no pressure on the board from me at all, I felt like I had already Top 8′ed. I know this sounds completely obnoxious and elitist, but it was blatantly obvious to me that he still had a lot to learn." Why do you say this is a bad play? Isn't this good tempo/using available resources? I don't know as much about the state of the game as you, but this is a play I sometimes make, in hopes of drawing a fetch, playing it the next turn and saccing it - I guess if you have Stifle mana open, it's a completely different story. I don't consider blind brainstorming at the end of an opponent's turn always a bad play...
Thanks,
W_W
So because I'm a bit lazy and or unresourceful,
Is there already a thread for the U/R Burn style of this deck? Or are you guys just hoping it goes away eventually?
I don't see a separate thread, but if you want to ask questions about the deck, ask here or start a new thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goin Aggro
The big debate seems to be mana denial package with Stifle and Wasteland or Burn with Chain Lightnings or Price of Progress.
Here are two tournament reports and decklists. The first is the U/R Tempo mana denial package and the 2nd is the U/R Tempo burn package. Both did well at tournaments last weekend.
From Dyvith: http://jupitergamesonline.com/2011/8...rnament-report. Read the comments down below. Doug McKay gives some great insight into the deck. I think it will do well at SCG Invitational this upcoming weekend!
From Star City games:
decklist: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=42531
coverage from the finals: http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...a_vs_andr.html
Here's a very recent article: http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/s..._Progress.html
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...-Control/page3Quote:
Originally Posted by Goin Aggro
Hi guys,
I play the canadian thresh version (nimble mongoose with no snaps) and have been beaten consistently by countertop thopters by my friend during playtesting. Any tips on the sidboarding strategy versus counterbalance decks with ensnaring bridge if you dont have grudge/krosan grip available on the board? Ensnaring bridge can be too much and counterbalance just owns the deck. I usually bring in 3 pierces, 3 blasts and 3 extractions and remove 4 delvers 1 Lightning Bolt and 4 Chain Lightning. Post-board, I am confused on whether going on the full defensive (removing 4 delvers and bolts) or staying aggresive and just board in a few cards (prolly blasts and pierces). I might be removing/inserting the wrong cards during sideboarding or I'm just a horrible pilot. Any help is appreciated. :)
Ok, there's a few very wrong things here which I just can't understand. Why don't you have Grips/Grudges in your board? If artifacts/enchantments are causing you trouble, put in artifact/enchantment hate. Simple, no? Also, why do you try to play the control role against a control deck? You think he'll go out full offensive with his 2 Mishra's Factories and start making Thopters turn 3? He's a goddamn control deck, he can kill you turn 40, and he's damn better at doing so than you. Boarding out Delvers... So, you're left with a vanilla dude and a 3/3 shroud dude against his Moat, Bridge, etc...? Geez.
A.) Upgrade your deck. Play Snapcasters, etc.
B.) Make a good SB. It's not like blue, green or red don't have anti artifact or enchantment spells. Hint, there's one, actually two, even in the newest set if you can't afford Grips.
C.) Read Who's the Beatdown. Think about it. Understand that every single spell in his deck is better than yours, so he will overwhelm you over time. You choose to give him that time. Don't. Play aggresively. You know what is your answer to his dreaded turn 1 top, turn 2 balance? Turn 1 Delver, flip, kill him while he's trying to counter your spells with no cards spent.
Thanks for the input. I usually play the aggressive role against control (vs stoneblade), I don't know what has gotten to my brain and I decided to play more counters against thopters. Counterbalance must have gotten under my skin. I'm planning on including 1 or 2 krosan grips/grudges for my sideboard after playtesting. Maybe it's just lack of experience playing against counterbalance on my behalf. So boarding grips/grudges and rebs against them should be enough? I wasn't that impressed on the surgical extractions versus this matchup.
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Originally Posted by PhanTom_lt
Postboard, just try to bait his CounterTop with some 1CC spell (eh, half Canadian's deck). Then, if he can't find a 1CC in his 3 cards, and try to flip Top, just Pyroblast Counterbalance in response.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheerios
Works fine.
And just be as aggressive as you can. Turn 1 Delver, or an early Goyf is usually a good headache for them.
Also, you can hold your snares for their CB. Stifle their fetchs + snare their CB. This make the mu more just.