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Originally Posted by Michael Keller

How do you figure a highly-saturated tempo strategy like RUG is a cakewalk? Taxing counters and the ability to stunt the deck's primary focus of advancing the board state with cards like Wasteland and Stifle can throw opening draws out of whack and force the Post player to invest their resources to find answers as opposed to just winning.

I wouldn't say it's a "cake walk"; that seems egregious and superficial at best to dishonor a potentially strong pilot with such a powerful archetype. It's really not hard to throw this deck off its resources early and repurpose lines of play while taking shots of five to eight damage a turn - discounting burn.

I get there are virtual "Time Walks" in the deck, but still. This isn't a ramp deck, and that can sometimes not work to the pilot's advantage against an archetype tailored to thoroughly strip you of your resources.

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IMO behind stoneforge, RuG is the easiest matchup. You've just got to know what they're trying to do. Bog and repeal are very cheap ways to ruin their offense. Those running EE have it even worse. And think, what card MD is actually bad in the MU, to me only needle comes to mind. Everything else either promotes mana production, wins games, or is an easy answer - what's not to like? Rug also hates SDT. It requires testing but I have a very easy time, even against full time delver players.

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Originally Posted by TimHarding

IMO behind stoneforge, RuG is the easiest matchup. You've just got to know what they're trying to do. Bog and repeal are very cheap ways to ruin their offense. Those running EE have it even worse. And think, what card MD is actually bad in the MU, to me only needle comes to mind. Everything else either promotes mana production, wins games, or is an easy answer - what's not to like? Rug also hates SDT. It requires testing but I have a very easy time, even against full time delver players.

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Pithing Needle still shuts off Wasteland, which is one-half of their resource denial strategy. I like fetches the least against RUG since Stifle compels me to play much more carefully.

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Originally Posted by Zotmaster

Pithing Needle still shuts off Wasteland, which is one-half of their resource denial strategy. I like fetches the least against RUG since Stifle compels me to play much more carefully.

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Yeah, but they only hit 4 cards in their whole deck, which is pretty weak. I side them out for flusterstorm or something usually. I prefer to steer the game into baiting them into crop response on waste: either you win(at the added cost of their land drop) or they spend a counter, which further exposes them to SnT and other bombs.

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Originally Posted by Michael Keller

How do you figure a highly-saturated tempo strategy like RUG is a cakewalk? Taxing counters and the ability to stunt the deck's primary focus of advancing the board state with cards like Wasteland and Stifle can throw opening draws out of whack and force the Post player to invest their resources to find answers as opposed to just winning.

I wouldn't say it's a "cake walk"; that seems egregious and superficial at best to dishonor a potentially strong pilot with such a powerful archetype. It's really not hard to throw this deck off its resources early and repurpose lines of play while taking shots of five to eight damage a turn - discounting burn.

I get there are virtual "Time Walks" in the deck, but still. This isn't a ramp deck, and that can sometimes not work to the pilot's advantage against an archetype tailored to thoroughly strip you of your resources.

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It's not a cakewalk like miracles, but when you grab the deck you will start to notice that you have some very powerful cards against delver decks: Show and Tell into anything as well as Repeal and the Needles to let you build the board. Lifegain and Chasm are no blanks either. Also, if you ever get to 2-for-1 your opponent with a sweeper, it's hard for them to recover. I consider myself the favorite against delver decks that don't play Price of Progress.

Usually struggles with rug delver are a sign of piloting post like a combo deck, not control.

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Originally Posted by TimHarding

Usually struggles with rug delver are a sign of piloting post like a combo deck, not control.

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I feel as though this is somewhat true. I feel as though the RUG matchup is closer than indicated here though. A good RUG pilot can definitely pull through, but the match-up feels pretty close to 55/45 in Post's favor for me. A huge thing in the RUG matchup is simply knowing when to mulligan correctly so you aren't punished by their wastelands or hyper-aggressive starts. Show and Tell is very strong against them, and just playing Glimmerposts can be enough a lot of the time.

So a Snow-Post deck made Top 16 at Star City Games Vegas Open: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=69125

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Originally Posted by Mockingbird

So a Snow-Post deck made Top 16 at Star City Games Vegas Open: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=69125

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Hey, it's the same guy who got that Top 8 with the Mono-Green Cloudpost deck a few months ago.

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Originally Posted by Mockingbird

So a Snow-Post deck made Top 16 at Star City Games Vegas Open: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=69125

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why Into the North over Nature's Lore?

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Into the North fetches Dark Depths

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Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning

why Into the North over Nature's Lore?

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This:

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Originally Posted by Postman

Into the North fetches Dark Depths

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I watched the feature match against the Burn list, and the amusing PoP play into Crop for Chasm. That was sort-of-good play by Kassani.

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Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning

why Into the North over Nature's Lore?

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I found myself thinking, "Why Into the North over Sylvan Scrying," more than Nature's Lore.

Obviously Into the North puts it straight onto the battlefield, and since Dark Depths doesn't generate mana anyway it coming in tapped doesn't really matter, so ItN is clearly great for Dark Depths, but wouldn't the ability to grab something other than either DD or a Snow-Covered Forest be more worthwhile? I could easily see using it to grab Eye of Ugin so you can tutor up your win condition; the Thespian's Stage if you've managed to naturally draw the Depths; the Tabernacle in creature-heavy, post-board games... it just seems like it would be more versatile overall, but I've never played the deck so I may not know what I'm talking about. :smile:

U already have map, crop and titan. Why u need more? This ramps. Thats better.

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Originally Posted by Togores

This ramps. Thats better.

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Yeah, that is a fair point.

I think they did a deck tech of some sort on him, but not sure where it is; anyone happen to know where in the stream it happened, if it did?

Hey folks, long time follower here.

I took down a 26 people local tournament on saturday with basically Lee´s list -1 Candelabra +1 Vesuva.
Matchups were:
Grixis Tempo 1-1-1
Miracles 2-0
Affinity 2-0
SneakShow 2-0 (lived the dream of putting a Kozilek into his show and tell with him at 4 permanents ! )
DarkMaverick 2-1

I lost every die roll but it felt pretty good to be on the draw all day^^ except against maverick.
I barely got to use the Maps. Think I used them only one or two times over 12 Games and was wondering if there could be any sort of replacement or if they are just too fundamental ?!

Greetings

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Originally Posted by Lord Seth

I think they did a deck tech of some sort on him, but not sure where it is; anyone happen to know where in the stream it happened, if it did?

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Here it is.

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...ith_john_.html

Interesting to see he changed so little (almost nothing, right?) from his last showing. It just doesn't feel like lelyline of sanctity should be the straw you want to grasp against combo decks, they'll just get rid of it.

On another note, has anyone been toying with black? The black splash provides discard and pernicious deed: answers to the fair decks and the unfair decks. I'm looking into that.

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Originally Posted by Hencules

Here it is.

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...ith_john_.html

Interesting to see he changed so little (almost nothing, right?) from his last showing. It just doesn't feel like lelyline of sanctity should be the straw you want to grasp against combo decks, they'll just get rid of it.

On another note, has anyone been toying with black? The black splash provides discard and pernicious deed: answers to the fair decks and the unfair decks. I'm looking into that.

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There's actually a lot of heat for combo decks in his SB; between Thorn, Leyline, Teeg and RiP, most combo decks can beat one of those, maybe two. But Thorn and Leyline or Teeg and RiP? Most of the combo decks can't actually beat that, outside of Elves! which suffers from the sweeper problem.

I know that Oblivion Stone and All is Dust have been in previous versions of this deck. Any thoughts on the "new" O-Stone?

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/...0888116670.png

Seems slower than the alternatives, but the effect is quite powerful.

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Originally Posted by lordofthepit

I know that Oblivion Stone and All is Dust have been in previous versions of this deck. Any thoughts on the "new" O-Stone?

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/...0888116670.png

Seems slower than the alternatives, but the effect is quite powerful.

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I dont like too much, this stone eats the ulamog and the emrakul,(And u cant search with eye the kul again :( ) and u cant do the trick (Attack with emrakul, anniquitalor trigger on the stack and crack the stone to destroy all)

I prefer the O-stone :)