[Deck] Dragon Stompy

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Originally Posted by ChemicalBurns

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/oa...ra-flamecaller

So how does everyone feel about the new Chandra? I can only see it being potentially a one-of, because six mana is a heckuva lot, but its abilities fit pretty nicely with what we want to be doing. The zero is very powerful when we're out of gas, the minus is great because we typically don't have that many way to deal with creatures, and her plus can aid us when our opponent is locked out and we want to quickly clock them. Could just be only a sideboard consideration too, for matchups where our planeswalkers have always shone, like vs. Miracles etc. She then begs the question whether Koth or Chandra, Pyromaster are just better though.

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My first glance says that new Chandra is flat out bad. 6 mana for 6 damage, a Wheel of Fortune +1, or an Anger of the Gods? Crap. I seriously doubt that new Chandra will even see play in Standard. The only way that I feel that she'll impact any format is if she manages to create some broken combo with her 0, but again, we come back to that issue of her costing 6 mana. We tried to utilize Inferno Titan which has the same casting cost and he failed to pan out, so new Chandra is a no for us sadly.

It really sucks that blue gets stuff like Jace, Vryn's Prodigy and red gets this piece of shit.

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Originally Posted by Figurative

As for the builds, I was testing the one equipment build that has popped up. I know there's also a hellbent build and a goblin build -- any others I should know about?

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Hellbent, Goblin, Werewolf, Human, Dragon... There's even a planeswalker control build around using main deck Ensnaring Bridge over Trinisphere. :wink:

This deck can completely wreck your 4-round weekly, but struggles when the tournament is 8+ rounds. I'd guess you lose at least 1 game in 6 rounds due to mulligans. If it's against an archetype you should beat, there goes your afternoon... cause there are definitely bad match ups (basically any other rogue strategy like Painter, Manaless Dredge, Goblins).

I've always struggled against Death and Taxes. I'd love a room full of Miracles. They usually have a tough time against me, but it really depends on your build.


I like the new Chandra... really, really like her. But she's an EDH card. She needed to cost :1: less.

Pia and Kiran Nalaar should be a 2 or 3 of in this deck. That card is a house.

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Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew

Hellbent, Goblin, Werewolf, Human, Dragon... There's even a planeswalker control build around using main deck Ensnaring Bridge over Trinisphere. :wink:

This deck can completely wreck your 4-round weekly, but struggles when the tournament is 8+ rounds. I'd guess you lose at least 1 game in 6 rounds due to mulligans. If it's against an archetype you should beat, there goes your afternoon... cause there are definitely bad match ups (basically any other rogue strategy like Painter, Manaless Dredge, Goblins).

I've always struggled against Death and Taxes. I'd love a room full of Miracles. They usually have a tough time against me, but it really depends on your build.


I like the new Chandra... really, really like her. But she's an EDH card. She needed to cost :1: less.

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Here's the list I'm using now. I've had a lot of success with it but my Miracles matchup is not good. I used to play the Hellbent version with everything from Arc-Sloggers, Rakdos Pit-Dragons, Taurean Mauler.

city of traitors 4
ancient tomb 4
chrome mox 4
simian spirit guide 4
mountain 10
blood moon 4
magus of the moon 4
stormbreath dragon 3
seething song 3
goblin rabblemaster 2
Trinisphere 4
Chalice of the void 4
sword of war and peace 2
Prophetic Flamespeaker 4
Stone Rain 4

Cursed Totem 2
Bonfire of the Damned 2
Anarchy 2
Shattering Spree 2
Phyrexian Revoker 3
Pyroblast 4

Basically, I agree with Ace.

I think it's fair that the deck is low-mid tier as it is swingy. High risk - high reward. Sometimes you get bad hands or are manascrewed, but that's Magic. With this deck, until you focus on mulliganing when you need it, it will happen more often.

You can get on a lucky streak and crush everyone, but the higher the number of games you will play in an event, the higher the chance it that your luck will run out.

@Octopusman: Tell me, what was your impression of the Hellbent version compared to the list you've just posted.

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Originally Posted by The Crow's Eye

@Octopusman: Tell me, what was your impression of the Hellbent version compared to the list you've just posted.

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I also started with the Hellbent version, so I'll throw my 2 cents in.

It's outdated. There was a time when Arc-Slogger was all you needed to take control of a game. Gathan Raiders and Rakdos Pit Dragon are the hellbent cards. Both are great when you are hellbent and are bad to average when you aren't. If you are hellbent and an opponent actually deals with them, then you are in a terrible position. Worse is that Lightning Bolt is ubiquitous and immune to Blood Moon and kills both if you don't have Chalice of the Void @ 1. Granted killing Raiders is tougher once hellbent.

Thank you for weighing in, Ace. I was asking because I've got room for either Rakdos Pit Dragon or Thunderbreak Regent in a build that does not utilize Gathan Raiders. Your thoughts on which of the two might best fit? Doublestrike's nice, but I'm not playing equips at the moment.

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Originally Posted by The Crow's Eye

Thank you for weighing in, Ace. I was asking because I've got room for either Rakdos Pit Dragon or Thunderbreak Regent in a build that does not utilize Gathan Raiders. Your thoughts on which of the two might best fit? Doublestrike's nice, but I'm not playing equips at the moment.

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Neither have haste.
Regent has unconditional flying, is bolt-proof, and punishes an opponent that targets it with Swords to Plowshares.
Pit Dragon has firebreathing and conditional flying and doublestrike. It dies to bolt and is a waste of 4 mana if your opponent Swords it.

If you are not playing equipment I believe Regent is the hands-down favorite.
I would also recommend you consider Pia and Kiran Nalaar.
4 seems like a lot, but as keys mentioned above, that card is a house!

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Originally Posted by The Crow's Eye

@Octopusman: Tell me, what was your impression of the Hellbent version compared to the list you've just posted.

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Ace already said everything I would have.

Regent is seeing a lot of play, but I personally love Stormbreath Dragon for the faster clock and plow immunity. Regent is probably better if you're not running Seething Songs.

I'm trying to think of a good reason to run Thunderbreak over Stormbreath and I'm really drawing a blank here. Anybody have any ideas?

I'm playing both in a list like the one from a few pages back with FTKs, RPD and TMaw Hellkite. Except with Regent over RPD and 3 FTK and 1 Rakka Mar. It's been fun and done well locally, though the Legacy meta's really kind of scattershot. There's a RUG, BUG, and then some random janky things that don't even have threads here. Instead of the Seething Songs I've opted for Magma Jets, and the Bonfire of the Damned slot is occupied by Rabblemaster. THhinking about it, my list is closer to the Demon Stompy that did well in Japan with the 3 Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath. Except with Stormbreath over Obby.

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Originally Posted by Zupponn

I'm trying to think of a good reason to run Thunderbreak over Stormbreath and I'm really drawing a blank here. Anybody have any ideas?

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4 and 5. Comparing Thundermaw to Stormbreath, or Thunderbreak to Pia Nalaar or Hero is a more apt comparison. Comparing 4 drops and 5 drops is fruitless.

I took nedleed's list to the latest installment of the Philadelphia Legacy Series. I swapped a SoLaS for a SoWaP. I used Boil over Anarchy as ned suggested.

Creature [20]
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Prophetic Flamespeaker
4 Simian Spirit Guide
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Scab-Clan Berserker
2 Avalanche Riders

Instant [4]
4 Magma Jet

Artifact [12]
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of War and Peace
2 Umezawa's Jitte

Enchantment [4]
4 Blood Moon

Land [20]
8 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 City of Traitors


Sideboard:
4 Faerie Macabre
2 Stingscourger
2 Smash to Smithereens
2 Sudden Shock
1 Boil
2 Sudden Demise
2 Tormod's Crypt

There were 25 people. I ended the swiss at 4-0-1 in first place! I was 8-1 in games.

R1 - BUG, 2-0
R2 - Reanimator, 2-0
R3 - 4C Aggro Mentor
R4 - Grixis Pyromancer, 2-1
R5 - Aluren, ID

I thought my Aluren opponent was on Shardless BUG cause I saw Brainstorm and Shardless Agent when I was scouting the room. That cost me game 1 in the semi-finals.

Top 8 - Esper Mentor with :g: splash, 2-1
Top 4 - Aluren, 0-2

I ended up 3rd with enough credit to get a playset of Khans Wooded Foothills.

Top 8 was:
Blood Moon Stompy vs. Esper Mentor with :g: splash
Elves vs. Grixis Pyromancer
Painter vs. Belcher
4C Aggro Mentor vs. Aluren

Aluren took down Belcher in the finals and got a 1 round bye for Eternal Weekend.

Prophetic Flamespeaker was nuts all day. Scab-Clan Berserker didn't resolve the two times I cast her. The sideboard was fantastic against Reanimator.

The list was good! Would play again. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew

I took nedleed's list to the latest installment of the Philadelphia Legacy Series. I swapped a SoLaS for a SoWaP. I used Boil over Anarchy as ned suggested.

Creature [20]
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Prophetic Flamespeaker
4 Simian Spirit Guide
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Scab-Clan Berserker
2 Avalanche Riders

Instant [4]
4 Magma Jet

Artifact [12]
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of War and Peace
2 Umezawa's Jitte

Enchantment [4]
4 Blood Moon

Land [20]
8 Mountain
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 City of Traitors


Sideboard:
4 Faerie Macabre
2 Stingscourger
2 Smash to Smithereens
2 Sudden Shock
1 Boil
2 Sudden Demise
2 Tormod's Crypt

There were 25 people. I ended the swiss at 4-0-1 in first place! I was 8-1 in games.

R1 - BUG, 2-0
R2 - Reanimator, 2-0
R3 - 4C Aggro Mentor
R4 - Grixis Pyromancer, 2-1
R5 - Aluren, ID

I thought my Aluren opponent was on Shardless BUG cause I saw Brainstorm and Shardless Agent when I was scouting the room. That cost me game 1 in the semi-finals.

Top 8 - Esper Mentor with :g: splash, 2-1
Top 4 - Aluren, 0-2

I ended up 3rd with enough credit to get a playset of Khans Wooded Foothills.

Top 8 was:
Blood Moon Stompy vs. Esper Mentor with :g: splash
Elves vs. Grixis Pyromancer
Painter vs. Belcher
4C Aggro Mentor vs. Aluren

Aluren took down Belcher in the finals and got a 1 round bye for Eternal Weekend.

Prophetic Flamespeaker was nuts all day. Scab-Clan Berserker didn't resolve the two times I cast her. The sideboard was fantastic against Reanimator.

The list was good! Would play again. :laugh:

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Congrats on your finish. Glad to hear Flamespeaker is doing work for you. Thanks for your post!
Picking up Berserkers now.

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Originally Posted by nedleeds

4 and 5. Comparing Thundermaw to Stormbreath, or Thunderbreak to Pia Nalaar or Hero is a more apt comparison. Comparing 4 drops and 5 drops is fruitless.

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Oops, I meant Thundermaw and not Thunderbreak. I just couldn't think of a really great reason to run Thundermaw over Stormbreath outside of facing Bitterblossom.

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Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew

R5 - Aluren, ID

I thought my Aluren opponent was on Shardless BUG cause I saw Brainstorm and Shardless Agent when I was scouting the room. That cost me game 1 in the semi-finals.

Top 8 - Esper Mentor with :g: splash, 2-1
Top 4 - Aluren, 0-2

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I was fortunate that you hadn't led with blood moon in any of our games... and I had drawn the reclamation sage. There is no way the matchup is in my favor with your 8 moons.

Congrats on your finish!

Nice job, Ace! Did you ever miss having your Trinispheres?

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Originally Posted by The Crow's Eye

Nice job, Ace! Did you ever miss having your Trinispheres?

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Thank you. :laugh:

In matches played, no.
I missed them greatly when I thought I'd be paired against Belcher in the quarter finals.

I'll try some swords and jittes in place of mine. I have to say, I haven't missed Seething Song despite playing two Sarkhan Dragonspeaker and two Stormbreath. They either come out quick enough, or work as Mox fuel while Thunderbreath Regent and Flametongue Kavu hold the fort. Spite Bellows has worked well as a 'goyf killer. I'd forgotten about the 1RR Evoke ability. The singleton Rakka Mar is also still doing work with her elemental tokens.

My list:

4 Magus of the Moon
4 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Rakka Mar
3 Flametongue Kavu
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Stormbreath Dragon
2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker

4 Magma Jet
3 Spitebellows
4 Blood Moon

4 Chrome Mox
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of War and Peace
1 Umezawa's Jitte

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Mountain
1 Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep

SB: 15
3 Scab-Clan Berserker
3 Faerie Macabre
2 Koth of the Hammer
2 Sudden Demise
2 Tormod's Crypt
3 Trinisphere

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Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew

Thank you. :laugh:

In matches played, no.
I missed them greatly when I thought I'd be paired against Belcher in the quarter finals.

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I'm bored of playing my usual BUG decks and locals have resorted to making half their boards dedicated to beat me, so I'm up for throwing a curveball in the next couple weeks. I like the look of Nedleed's/your list, plus it will only cost me about $8 to get the few cards I need. The last time I ran this deck, I had Werewolves in it, :laugh: (although beating people to death with an Instigator Gang sure was funny).

Considering your statement though and knowing that my small local meta can have anywhere from 1-3 ANT/TES decks at a given time, how would you advise on fitting in Trinisphere(s)? Perhaps two out of the board?