[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

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Originally Posted by Final Fortune

I don't think Silence being better than Autumn's Veil vs Vendilion Clique is relevant, you're playing 7 discard spells MD for any deck that plays significant number of Vendilion Clique.

How is it irrelevant? Most of the decks that play Clique are playing either FoW and/or Counterbalance/other hard/annoying counters. Just because YOU have 7 main-deck discard doesn't mean everyone does, but regardless, if you're diluting your combo even more with 4 Veil post-board then i don't think the argument is relevant at all, you become more control than a pure combo, which is more like ANT than TES.

Yes, Xantid can only come in against decks without removal, the point is Veil can come in against any deck with removal. What would you rather play vs RUG when you have a Tropical Island in your SB, Silence or Autumn's Veil? The mana continuity of all of your MD and SB cards being green is really, really important.

I don't think RUG is a good example, I wouldn't bring in Veil from my board for them, I'd much rather have a Carpet of Flowers.

Discard is better than Silence or Autumn's Veil vs Miracles therefore a direct comparison between the two cards is irrelevant there.

Post-board sure, but we're back to the list argument here anyway. In any list running Silence it COULD be the difference between winning with goblins or not.

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

This isn't heading in the direction I intended. Autums Veil is plain bad and can't replace Xantid or Silence by any means as it doesn't prevent your opponent from Pyroblasting, Lightning Bolting your face during Ad Nauseam/DimRet, Extracting cards during PIF-loops, casting CiP effects with flash (Clique, Venser, etc.), Stifle on storm triggers, Brainstorming, etc.

Veil leaves too many gaps for my taste to seriously consider it. I was trying to get the Tropical out of the Sideboard ... If you still want to run it in the SB, I don't see a reason for now to cut Silence for more discard other than "more-peeks", which is not enough for me.

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I don't have time to participate in discussion at the moment, but this is the truth. The gains to running Autumn's Veil over Silence are few. I think the 4 Cabal Therapy/3 Silence package is the best disruption option at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Final Fortune

My proposed SB right now is, 1 Tendrils of Agony 1 Grape Shot 1 Empty the Warrens 1 Diminishing Returns 1 Past in Flames 1 Thoughtseize 1 Bribery 1 Simplify 1 Tropical Island 4 Autumn's Veil 2 Carpet of Flowers with 3 MD Thoughtseize, -2 City of Brass for +1 Fetchland and Chrome Mox. Conceptually, this makes the most sense to me right now.

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Simplify seems absolutely terrible, what can it do besides kill a leyline for 3 mana?

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Originally Posted by Jay_Gatz

Simplify seems absolutely terrible, what can it do besides kill a leyline for 3 mana?

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I'm sure the reason for this card was that it can stay in the board and him still having four outs against Leyline without having to board in permanent-solutions for pure speculation if his opponent is running Leyline or not.

Not an option for me personally. Freedom of choice ^^

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

This isn't heading in the direction I intended. Autums Veil is plain bad and can't replace Xantid or Silence by any means as it doesn't prevent your opponent from Pyroblasting, Lightning Bolting your face during Ad Nauseam/DimRet, Extracting cards during PIF-loops, casting CiP effects with flash (Clique, Venser, etc.), Stifle on storm triggers, Brainstorming, etc.

Veil leaves too many gaps for my taste to seriously consider it. I was trying to get the Tropical out of the Sideboard ... If you still want to run it in the SB, I don't see a reason for now to cut Silence for more discard other than "more-peeks", which is not enough for me.

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Seriously, how many corner cases do you expect to need Silence for as opposed to how many SB cards do you need on color Green mana for? I don't know if you play ANT, but ANT plays an all discard page MD and an all green disruption suite SB (Xantid Swarm and Autumn's Veil) and that deck is a DTB while TES is not. If ANT can be a DTB with a Tropical Island and Autumn's Veil in its SB than I see no reason why TES can't follow suit with the same strategy if we want to play a Silence effect and Carpet of Flowers post-board vs RUG.

As far as those corner cases are concerned

1) Silence doesn't stop Clique either, they should Clique in response to shuffle away your tutor anyway
2) Silence only protects Brainstorm and Ponder on the combo turn, and Brainstorm and Ponder are rarely played before Silence because they're used to assemble the combo prior to the combo turn and thus are vulnerable to Red Elemental Blast regardless
3) You can still play around Lightning Bolt, the only difference is that you can't dig as deep with Ad Nauseam
4) Stifle on Storm triggers is a legitimate problem if you're playing against RUG game 2 and you're planning on using Empty the Warrens, personally I don't plan on using Empty the Warrens because I A) SB out Cabal Therapy game 2 and B) expect Rough/Tumble and thus C) SB out Empty the Warrens
5) I don't see players SB in Surgical Extraction against us very often, U/W decks are playing Rest in Peace first, RUG decks are playing Grafdigger's Cage second, BUG decks are playing Nihil Spellbomb third and if the opponent wants to SB in a card that does practically nothing vs this deck otherwise they must be desperately lacking SB hate vs Storm to replace Swords to Plowshares with in a Snapcaster Mage deck. Even if Past in Flames is a guaraunteed win, having resolved an Autumn's Veil then Diminishing Returns is a probable win if you know they're playing Surgical Extraction against you.

@SScout

I'm suggesting a complete overhaul of the MD disruption suite, MD manabase and SB, if you fail to take any one of those factors into context and just compare Silence to Autumn's Veil in a vacuum then ofcourse Silence is better.

I'm not arguing that Silence isn't better than Autumn's Veil, I'm arguing that if we're Mding Silence and SBing Tropical Island, Xantid Swarms and Carpet of Flowers then we could get greater value out of SBing Autumn's Veil, replacing Silence's role in the MD post-board, boarding in Autumn's Veil in order to offset Cabal Therapy's weakness to distributed hate cards post-board and then gaining EV as a result of Autumn's Veil and Carpet of Flowers sharring the same Dual Land. So yes Autumn's Veil is worse than Xantid Swarm vs Show&Tell, yes Autumn's Veil is worse than Silence vs RUG but is it so significantly worse vs both match ups that it isn't worth 4 additional mana sources that can cast it compared to Silence, being the same color as Carpet of Flowers and having 7 discard effects MD to remove Pyroblast from the SB entirely? Is Leyline of Sanctity so prevalent that we need to have all of our disruption be immune to it, and if all of our disruption is immune to it then should the opponent ever SB it in?

I get people want to play Silence and Xantid Swarms and Pyroblasts as the strongest, individual cards in their roles, but you have to disregard their power level for a moment and think about the restraints that your putting on your manabase when you need white for Silence, green for Carpet of Flowers, red for Pyroblast and black for discard when you could just need only green mana for Autumn's Veil and Carpet of Flowers and black mana for discard. My point in all of this is that individually powerful cards can be undermined by the strains they put on the manabase and disruption that performs multiple roles like Thoughtseize discarding hatebears in order to eliminate the need for Pyroblasts entirely and a card that's only slightly worse than Silence in effect but significantly easier to cast is possibly a better, whole game strategy.

I've given this a lot of thought, if you stop knee jerking long enough to play test it then it'll become pretty clear that -4 Cabal Therapy for +4 Autumn's Veil, -3 Silence + 3 Thoughtseize, - 1 Infernal Tutor and Ponder for +2 Carpet of Flowers and -1 Chrome Mox for +1 Tropical Island is a much better post-board configuration vs RUG than what you guys are playing because you're picking up +4 mana sources for your "Silence"

Think about your mana base, think about the variability of their SB cards, think about Magic as a 3 game match and start playtesting with your deck optimized for games 2 and 3 and then work backwards in order to determine your MD.

Stop right here!

1) I do play ANT if the metagame favors it over TES
2) Thoughtseize has still not preplaced Duress In ANT
3) I've never seen Autums Veil in top performing ANT lists and am not even sure if I ever.saw a list with it
4) Your seriously want to argue by refering to this sites DtB section as a proof? You can argue with some noobs who don't know how that status is determined, but trying to prove a point on me with that nonsense is insulting.
5) The DtB status is determined by the frequency the deck is played and tells nothing about it's strenght as we had Burn.dec there for quite a while last year
6) following your argument we should play Cabal Ritual and PIF mainboard as well, just because ANT is listed here as a DtB
7) That DtB bullshit obviously makes me angry
8) I have no clue why you side out the Cabal Therapy + EtW plan completely as RUG usually has only 2-3 out against the goblins or dies miserable
9) being able to dig less deep is an issue if you go for Ad Nauseam against decks with Bolts or Price of Progress, especially as you choose to side out the goblins-plan
10) Having 10 white initial mana sources (not counting chrome mox) is fine for 3 white cards. This also answers the topic of mana restrains
11) Leyline isn't the only reason to run Silence as I outlined in previous posts
12) Thoughtseize is crap against tempo
13) Carpet of flowers is just a green manastone against tempo in a deck with already 40% mana (said this at least 3 times over the last 3 pages)
14) Xantid swarm being a creature is sometimes a feature if you play against specified counter like Flusterstorm, spell Pierces and such
15) What is the significant advantage other than more peek-effects if you still have to run SB Topical and a shitload of protection in the sideboard?

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

I'm sure the reason for this card was that it can stay in the board and him still having four outs against Leyline without having to board in permanent-solutions for pure speculation if his opponent is running Leyline or not. Not an option for me personally. Freedom of choice ^^

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It just seems like that is the only card it can fight against which definitely means it isn't worth a slot in a deck this tight

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

Stop right here!

1) I do play ANT if the metagame favors it over TES
2) Thoughtseize has still not preplaced Duress In ANT
3) I've never seen Autums Veil in top performing ANT lists and am not even sure if I ever.saw a list with it
4) Your seriously want to argue by refering to this sites DtB section as a proof? You can argue with some noobs who don't know how that status is determined, but trying to prove a point on me with that nonsense is insulting.
5) The DtB status is determined by the frequency the deck is played and tells nothing about it's strenght as we had Burn.dec there for quite a while last year
6) following your argument we should play Cabal Ritual and PIF mainboard as well, just because ANT is listed here as a DtB
7) That DtB bullshit obviously makes me angry
8) I have no clue why you side out the Cabal Therapy + EtW plan completely as RUG usually has only 2-3 out against the goblins or dies miserable
9) being able to dig less deep is an issue if you go for Ad Nauseam against decks with Bolts or Price of Progress, especially as you choose to side out the goblins-plan
10) Having 10 white initial mana sources (not counting chrome mox) is fine for 3 white cards. This also answers the topic of mana restrains
11) Leyline isn't the only reason to run Silence as I outlined in previous posts
12) Thoughtseize is crap against tempo
13) Carpet of flowers is just a green manastone against tempo in a deck with already 40% mana (said this at least 3 times over the last 3 pages)
14) Xantid swarm being a creature is sometimes a feature if you play against specified counter like Flusterstorm, spell Pierces and such
15) What is the significant advantage other than more peek-effects if you still have to run SB Topical and a shitload of protection in the sideboard?

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1) Ok
2) It's commonly played in lists not using Ad Nauseam in some quantity
3) I don't know about top performing lists but I have seen it in lists in order to address Leyline of Sanctity and replace Cabal Therapy before, I've certainly played with it in ANT myself previously.
4) No, I want to argue based on comparing the disruption suite used in the better performing, more often played version of Storm and hope that TES becomes just as commonly played and successful by assimilating whatever merrits it has.
5) I know
6) Irrelvant, comparing the disruption between two Storm decks isn't the same as comparing the acceleration between two Storm decks, disruption is interchangeable where as acceleration in the case of Cabal Ritual is based on the deck's ability to reach Threshold and lack of red color requirements.
7) You took it out of context
8) If you don't know your opponent's SB then you're at an informational disadvantage with Cabal Therapy game two and therefore the EV of Cabal Therapy decreases that game. If you discover your opponent is SBing a wide range of 1x counters game 2 then the EV of keeping Thoughtseize MD increases for game 3, if you discover your opponent is SBing a narrow range of 4x counters game 2 then the EV of returning Cabal Therapy to the MD increases for game 3. I don't want to rely on the presumption that I know what counters their playing post-board and the variance of whether or not they're playing Rough/Tumble in order to win game 2.
9) It's an issue, but it's a minor issue and I don't have to dig as deep as you do with the 4th Chrome Mox - Since when does RUG play Price of Progress?
10) No it's not and people need to stop pretending that it is, having to cast Silence off of a Lotus Petal is an incredibly commital play that leads you to awkward situations after your opponent counters it and you're forced to try to go off that turn into another potential counter because you've already committed 2 cards to Silence otherwise.
11) I never said it was.
12) You think Thoughtseize is crap against UWR Tempo? I think it's a perfectly serviceable card, I've done everything I can to offset the minor life loss by cutting City of Brass and playing 4 Chrome Mox.
13) And it's frequently two green mana stones vs tempo decks or it restricts their ability to play threats and hold up mana for counter spell(s). 40% mana is irrelevant, more mana pays for their soft counters so more mana may as well equate to more disruption.
14) I said it was worse vs Show&Tell for a reason, however unlike Xantid Swarm it's actually playable vs decks with removal.
15) The advantage is that it's faster because it uses all black disruption spells which can be cast off of Dark Ritual, more efficient because it can disrupt before the combo turn, more reliable because it can be cast off of 10 lands as opposed to 6 lands and it reduces, not increases, the total number of disruption spells I have to play in my SB i.e. I have 4 Autumn's Veil and you have 3 Xantid Swarm and 2 Pyroblast because I can discard Meddling Mage, Vendilion Clique and Counterbalance and it doesn't conflict with Lion's Eye Diamond. And as you said, "More Peeks"

My build is perfectly viable and the mana base and mana requirements are rock solid, what I lose in having a slightly weaker "Silence" vs RUG I make up by being significantly more resilient to Wasteland. What I lose in not having Xantid Swarm post-board vs Show&Tell and Merfolk I can't really make up in anyway regarding disruption or resiliency to disruption, but I'm hoping playing Bribery for the best possible win condition and Simplify in order to not waste MD space on Chain of Vapor helps out.

I'm trying to iterate towards the fastest, most consistent list that doesn't have to SB Pyroblasts and consolidates its manabase as much as possible into the same colors. I think having 10 lands that cast Thoughtseize and 9 lands that cast Autumn's Veil is a much bigger deal than you guys are admitting regarding Silence.

If you've come to other conclusions regarding the SB Tropical Island and the disruption suite that's fine, personally I've found the white, red and black mana requirements for the deck's disruption and the inconsistency of Cabal Therapy games 1 and 2 to be incredibly burdensome. I'm hardly at a loss for SB space myself, I have plenty of SB cards to bring in vs RUG other than Autumn's Veil so I could just as easily play a couple of Swarms again and then I'd have almost all of my disruption running off of Tropical Isand vs Show&Tell. I like Carpet tho', boarding in mana sources and extending the use of Tropical Island is pretty strong in that match.

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Originally Posted by Jay_Gatz

It just seems like that is the only card it can fight against which definitely means it isn't worth a slot in a deck this tight

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As opposed to SBing in a Chain of Vapour and risking a dead draw not knowing whether or not you'll see Leyline of Sanctity at all? There's always Revoke Existence, but considering all I want/need that slot to do is get rid of Leyline of Sanctity it seems more sensible to use the 1cc alternative that I can cast off of Tropical Island.

I guess another way of doing this is playing SB 4 Silence, 1 Tundra and 1 Revoke Existence if you cut Carpet of Flowers, maybe you could replace them with Orim's Chants and just Silence the hell out of them? It kind of functionally works the same vs Show&Tell and RUG I guess.

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Originally Posted by Final Fortune

As opposed to SBing in a Chain of Vapour and risking a dead draw not knowing whether or not you'll see Leyline of Sanctity at all? There's always Revoke Existence, but considering all I want/need that slot to do is get rid of Leyline of Sanctity it seems more sensible to use the 1cc alternative that I can cast off of Tropical Island.

I guess another way of doing this is playing SB 4 Silence, 1 Tundra and 1 Revoke Existence if you cut Carpet of Flowers, maybe you could replace them with Orim's Chants and just Silence the hell out of them? It kind of functionally works the same vs Show&Tell and RUG I guess.

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On that point, I almost never find chain to be useless. Either I get free storm or it buys me an additional turn. It's singlehandedly one of the more versatile options at our disposal.

Chain can also answer more than just one single card in the format reliably

First, I want to appologize as my response was very rude, but the "DtB"-argument haunts me for years in this forum and became a soft-spot for me. Back to the topic

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Originally Posted by Final Fortune

1) Ok
2) It's commonly played in lists not using Ad Nauseam in some quantity
Have not seen that so far, but ok
3) I don't know about top performing lists but I have seen it in lists in order to address Leyline of Sanctity and replace Cabal Therapy before, I've certainly played with it in ANT myself previously.
Roger, boss. I'll coment on that later in this post
4) No, I want to argue based on comparing the disruption suite used in the better performing, more often played version of Storm and hope that TES becomes just as commonly played and successful by assimilating whatever merrits it has.
I'm sure the decks can adopt techs from each other like once it was the case with Gitaxian Probe. TES has even outclassed ANT in abusing Probe + Therapy lately. ANT adopted the EtW-tech
5) I know
6) Irrelvant, comparing the disruption between two Storm decks isn't the same as comparing the acceleration between two Storm decks, disruption is interchangeable where as acceleration in the case of Cabal Ritual is based on the deck's ability to reach Threshold and lack of red color requirements.
My douchebaggery ... there was no need to adress this my friend :)
7) You took it out of context
8) If you don't know your opponent's SB then you're at an informational disadvantage with Cabal Therapy game two and therefore the EV of Cabal Therapy decreases that game. If you discover your opponent is SBing a wide range of 1x counters game 2 then the EV of keeping Thoughtseize MD increases for game 3, if you discover your opponent is SBing a narrow range of 4x counters game 2 then the EV of returning Cabal Therapy to the MD increases for game 3. I don't want to rely on the presumption that I know what counters their playing post-board and the variance of whether or not they're playing Rough/Tumble in order to win game 2.
This is the effect you described a few post above with push/pull. I can only speak out of my local context and that the 1-for-2 effect via flashbacking therapies won many games against RUG and friends by stipping their Ponder/Brainstorm, limiting their outs to find Rough/Tumble etc. The quick way to win with goblins also leaves many of their counters like flusterstorm, Envelop and Spell Snare dead in hand if they open with a Delver or start the game on the draw. i prefer sitting in the driver seat here
9) It's an issue, but it's a minor issue and I don't have to dig as deep as you do with the 4th Chrome Mox - Since when does RUG play Price of Progress?
I don't want to pick on the 4th mox in regards to having thise in your opener/draw them as the topic has already a beard. Just a word to the last part: It's the newest innovation from Japan to play Price of Progress in RUG for a whooping 6-10 damage finish and Dead/Gone in the main to have a catch-all for opponents Delver/DRS as well as midgame solutions to Tarmogoyf, Tombstalker and Reanimator-doods
10) No it's not and people need to stop pretending that it is, having to cast Silence off of a Lotus Petal is an incredibly commital play that leads you to awkward situations after your opponent counters it and you're forced to try to go off that turn into another potential counter because you've already committed 2 cards to Silence otherwise.
2-for-1 yourself just to test the water is a bad move, no doubt. If I have your build in mind correctly you have a total of 13 initial green mana sources postboard for 6 green cards. I'm not quite sure the relation is better here then the 10/3-one with silence :/
11) I never said it was.
12) You think Thoughtseize is crap against UWR Tempo? I think it's a perfectly serviceable card, I've done everything I can to offset the minor life loss by cutting City of Brass and playing 4 Chrome Mox.
There is a misconception. When I talk about tempo, I have RUG, bUrg and other builds with Stifle, Daze and Wasteland in mind. The UWR Delver lists I see in US top8 are imo rather midrange decks considering the amount of locked mana with SFM and TNN, their spellsuit and them opting to have 3+ lands in play which also affects the use of Carpet.
13) And it's frequently two green mana stones vs tempo decks or it restricts their ability to play threats and hold up mana for counter spell(s). 40% mana is irrelevant, more mana pays for their soft counters so more mana may as well equate to more disruption.
It's not quite irrelevant as more and more tempo decks run spell snare over Pierce to battle SFM, Goofy, Wish and Infernal on a more reliable base, turning the additional mana off Carpet rather pointless. Sideboard options like Envelope don't care for your flooded mana either. On top of that there are tempo decks with DRS which can easily opperate off one dual ... a miserable experience during december as I tested carpet.
14) I said it was worse vs Show&Tell for a reason, however unlike Xantid Swarm it's actually playable vs decks with removal.
Does it make a real difference if you play Therapy or Veil in those matchups aside the fact that Therapy can also dismantle their threats giving you additional time, something that Veil can not do?
15) The advantage is that it's faster because it uses all black disruption spells which can be cast off of Dark Ritual, more efficient because it can disrupt before the combo turn, more reliable because it can be cast off of 10 lands as opposed to 6 lands and it reduces, not increases, the total number of disruption spells I have to play in my SB i.e. I have 4 Autumn's Veil and you have 3 Xantid Swarm and 2 Pyroblast because I can discard Meddling Mage, Vendilion Clique and Counterbalance and it doesn't conflict with Lion's Eye Diamond. And as you said, "More Peeks"
Please lets not forget that all those cards can be topdecked or hid on top with SDT. Pyroblast does not conflict with hellbent if you don't have the idea of using it for protection abainst counterspells, which isn't the purpose

My build is perfectly viable and the mana base and mana requirements are rock solid, what I lose in having a slightly weaker "Silence" vs RUG I make up by being significantly more resilient to Wasteland. What I lose in not having Xantid Swarm post-board vs Show&Tell and Merfolk I can't really make up in anyway regarding disruption or resiliency to disruption, but I'm hoping playing Bribery for the best possible win condition and Simplify in order to not waste MD space on Chain of Vapor helps out.
you know what? That is all fair and to credit all your work you put into this and the last posts, I'll give the idea a spin this weekend and stop theorycrafting. How sounds that? :D

I'm trying to iterate towards the fastest, most consistent list that doesn't have to SB Pyroblasts and consolidates its manabase as much as possible into the same colors. I think having 10 lands that cast Thoughtseize and 9 lands that cast Autumn's Veil is a much bigger deal than you guys are admitting regarding Silence.

If you've come to other conclusions regarding the SB Tropical Island and the disruption suite that's fine, personally I've found the white, red and black mana requirements for the deck's disruption and the inconsistency of Cabal Therapy games 1 and 2 to be incredibly burdensome. I'm hardly at a loss for SB space myself, I have plenty of SB cards to bring in vs RUG other than Autumn's Veil so I could just as easily play a couple of Swarms again and then I'd have almost all of my disruption running off of Tropical Isand vs Show&Tell. I like Carpet tho', boarding in mana sources and extending the use of Tropical Island is pretty strong in that match.

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Today i played tes at night event here.
4-1 getting 2nd losing to dragon stompy who won.
1st game he makes trinisphere turn 1 gg
2nd i burn my hand make 12 goblins he makes city simian bonnefire gg

Full report will follow i took notes ^^

Today I played the friday night local league with Bryants last version of TES and ended 4-1 and second place.

That where my rounds and thoughts and so:

1st round vs bug birthing pot nick fit

I keep a hand of 2 ponder bs mox DR infernal led on the play thinking my opp plays jund. But he swaped. Was ok cause he still played a fair deck and I got not really punished for my hand.
I go mox imprint ponder shuffle draw a blank, next turn I draw ponder, Bs see a land and another mox and gitaxian. And just put pack ant nauseam and with gitaxian I cast it and win while he only has 1 land and a shaman. I saw with gitaxian birthing pod and glen elendra.

I dont really knwo the side of this deck so I think its side board its just discard and may be some bad counters like 2 fluster or so.

I side nothing then.

I get a normal hand he goes therapy calling dark ritual and gets there. Then i ponder and have led in play and in my top is burning and a dark ritual.
I draw the ritual and have bruning on top. He misplays from my way going eot to surgical my dark ritual cause i have one less in deck and i should already have riped the good card. then he goes therapy and calls something irrelevant but has keept only one lander.
I ponder again and set up a empty on top with a gitaxian. So I make 6 tokens and see a chaman and a pernicius deed among evelope and swang song and brainstorm. SO I just hope to get there before he rips a land. Obv he draws a fetch and plays chaman, I atack for 5 damage and draw the infernal wich dosnt get me the therapy on time for his pernicius and I die.
Now that I know that he plays plenty of 1cc I side something that might be good. I also know about the deed and the surgial.

- empty - ponder - infernal
+ tendrills +2 pyroblast

I just get a nuts hand and go empty the warrens turn one for 12 goblins via burning wish and win. Cause he dosnt have the shaman, fetch, and the deed at the same time at least.

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2nd vs team america

I just go therapy something then therapy a styfle he get one more draw. I go all in for goblins and he brainstorm but dosnt get the fow and I win.

- ponder - infernal -mox
+ 2 pyroblast + tropical

He makes delver I just go land petal pyroblast it. Then I therapy he brainstorms and I get a hymn . Few turns draw and GO and he still has 2 lands and no pressure and I have a petal, led and volcanic, city, gemstone, and a fetch (cause I know he has styfle). I hold in hand ant nauseam infernal. I wish for seize wich he bs in response when i cast it and see 2 daze and 2 styfle and fow. Fow gets discarted and then next turn I draw another wish now for the ponder. With it I see Ritual and Silence. So next turn I go silence he dazes I ritual in response he stops dazing me and lets my silence resolve. So with the 5 mana I have exactly I go ad nauseam response cracking led for red. If he dazed again I would not been able to make ad nauseam and only infernal fro goblins with 2 therapys. Wich 1st would have called golgary charm for the may be and then 2nd just there for value. Was also a good plan but ant nauseam just wins on spot. So its ok.

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Round 3 Doomsday

I play against a friend with my old version with 4 silence 3 chant and sensei and also ant nauseam main (I was not sure If he still has inside).
I Keep a gitaxian 3 lander and rip a fourth land. On turn 3 I make 10 goblins with the possibility of next turn double burning wish for a seize and and any other card. But he had DR sensei in play and led. Draws ponder, plays it and gets AD nauseman and I die.

The deck HAs important blue cards like ideas unbound and gitaxian or brainstorm at some spot and he dosnt know that i have pyroblast so it’s a good surprise card if i manage to only have ntaped the volcanic and tap my white sources to make him fall in the trap. Therapy is also not so good cause of sensei.

- empty -2 therapy
+1 xantid +2 pyroblast

I start with a cantrip, He plays ponder and I go of infernal, led Ad nauseman turn 2 for game.


In game 3 I have brainstorm, pyro, mine, flooded, and some ritual or so. He plays sensei and pases. I play gemstone and pass. I draw gitaxian, and see 2 silence and 3 other cards. With probe I draw brinasotm so i fetch for volcanic brainstorm with it so I still have white mana. And then find a therapy wich gets his 2 silence. If he top decks one of the three doomsday he can go of due having led in play dr and gitaxian. But he only finds burning wich is casted to search doomsday. I draw gitaxian cast it for lives. And pass. He casts ritual, then doomsday and I spread his deck so I know what pile he has made. His pile is maniac pile so he gitaxians and dostn crack. With his 2 lands plays ideas unbound I pyro and on my turn he is on 7 live. So I just go ritual, led burning fr thendrills and GG.

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4th rounds vs Dragon stompy.

I thought he was playing pox, but donst matter cause my hand was also good vs him. But he goes game one city of traitors and simian into trinispehere and I just play 2 fetchs so that he donst see that i play combo and He plays a golem. When i have to discard I just scoop up.

-3 Silence -2 ponder
+1 Chain of Vapor +2 Abrupt Decay +1 Thoughtseize +1 Tropical
I burn my hand of 2 ritual, 2 mox, led, germstone and burning to make 1st turn 14 goblins and he just city of traitors, simian into bonefire for one O.O. Next turn another simian and triniesphere and the next turn a blood moon for my chain of vapor makes me concede when im facing a lodestone.


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5th round vs Ant

He played tes before and knows the pairing is really hard for him cause im faster and so.

We both mull to six but he draws 7 again and has to go 5. he just plays a land and pases. I start gitaxian seeing 3 petals and infernal and therapy makes fast justice of him. Then He duress me and so and at the end I have 2 rite of flame, 2 dr burning and infernal and I go pif loop and gg.

- empty
+1 pyroblast

last game of the night I keep my seven with led DR silence and Ad naseam and some more. He mulls to 5 again and I bling therapy for led and get one seeing surgial (O.O?), lim duls, and dark ritual. next turn therapy again for dark ritual and then Next turn rip a land and cast ad nauseam at 19 life. crack for black if may be he dosnt surgicals my rituals now. But he thinks and does finaly and then I reveal before getting to 11 live 2 petals, 3 led burning and more stuff and he concedes.



So ended 2nd and liked the deck. In 5 hours I have a trial for GP Paris and Im gonna play it again. So lets see.

Losing vs the dragon stompy is bad But that bonefire and triniesphere 1st turn is really cruel from him :D

Boarding Versus ANT and Doomsday may need minor tweaking, my friend. A big congratz!

Why? Can you explain what you mean?

I think he's referring to the fact that you hope to resolve Pyroblast against a deck with 7 chants.

The thing is the surprise factor.
My gameplan was to tap on white so that i dont own white source. So they will not fear my silence and chant me. Then i just catch him with the pyro sheningan.
His deck only plays 7 chant 4 gitaxian and usualy playing chantbinnadvance is slow but possible. And gitaxian is holded yo the end combo cause is important in the ddpile usaly if no sensei is there.
Apart from may be geting brainstorm in response to thereapy is huge.

Thats my thoughts^^

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Why? Can you explain what you mean?

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I seem to remember notes from Lem's reports saying: "Sideboard: Nothing! Speed is king!" :smile:
Since I play a different sideboard, I usually have an additional discard to board, but with Bryant's current list I agree with the "side nothing" strategy.

Yes but enpty the warrens is worser than pyroblast. And with the new list vs ant is the correct way.

But i think vs d day if they dont know the plan of pyroblast. Its a win card. And xantids is also nice in 1x
I could also have sided out 1 empty and 1 therapy just for the 2 pyro but thought xantid was beter cause of silence and therapy bad cause of sensei.

Doomsday with Silence and SDT is a cornercase to board in Xantid Swarms package + Thoughtseize over the Therapies and EtW.

ANT is a race and I would step back from boarding more than the EtW out for a Thoughtseize

Ok, I got destroyed vs Show&Tell without Xantid Swarms so I think I'm going to go back to the drawing board on how to consolidate the disruption spells and the manabase, discard is good enough against RUG not to have to worry about SBing in Autumn's Veil at all and I honestly think SBing in 2 City of Brass would be better than SBing in 2 Carpet of Flowers because you can actually keep hands with City of Brass. As ridiculous as it sounds, I'm starting to wonder whether or not SBing lands just for the tempo match ups is a real strategy because I'm already about "this far" away from SBing Tundra.

I'm completely happy with discard and the MD tho', maybe I should still be playing Pyroblasts with discard.

Totally off topic: Does anybody have the mail-contact of Cedric Phillips? Can't find it on SCG.

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I seem to remember notes from Lem's reports saying: "Sideboard: Nothing! Speed is king!" :smile:
Since I play a different sideboard, I usually have an additional discard to board, but with Bryant's current list I agree with the "side nothing" strategy.

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Yeah, I did say this. :)

The four cabal main has been running hot for me. Love it, fcking love it. The empty plan has been so much more consistent for me since the switch. Kudos to you T.E.S. thread.


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Yes but enpty the warrens is worser than pyroblast. And with the new list vs ant is the correct way.

But i think vs d day if they dont know the plan of pyroblast. Its a win card. And xantids is also nice in 1x
I could also have sided out 1 empty and 1 therapy just for the 2 pyro but thought xantid was beter cause of silence and therapy bad cause of sensei.

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Read your report well done!

I agree with lem on instead of pyro put the T.Seize in the EtW slot. vs the ANT match up.

Related to the Sideboard plan vs DD, i believe that you made a good use of the factor surprise, however a good DD player would have prevented those pyroblasts from TES, anyway good trap! I believe again that the Lem plans vs DD is good also, the Xantid puts them in a presure so that the DD player is advocated to Silence you, I think if he handles senseis and a Silence or two on the top you're dead. so +3Xantid+1Tropical+1T.Seize -4C.T,-1EtW plan is ok for me also. but I'm not sure... because of below, and just sideboard -1E.T+1Xantid. mainly the difference is that DD plays Senseis + 7 Orims.

The other day we went to that same local and went only 3 boys to play, there wasn't tournament... I played a match vs a known boy playing both TES, he played full silences and me 3 and full therapys, the first game was also critical C.Therapy discarding him 2 silences in a row playing the 3rd in response!, the second game I was in a need for a discard effect as I sided out -1EtW+1Tseize. he won when he reached the second silence... and we talked next about the decks, a fact is that Therapy is a very good card, the more I play it the more I like it, I think he shares this same feeling. I love it. we talked about Siding options in a TES mirror and we think we reach the conclusión -1 EtW +1 Xantid is the ritgh move - even can serve to flashback therapy!, Although T.Seize potentiates the base, sometimes you reach scenarios in which you need to B.W. into a discard effect, sometimes it is a Quick game but sometimes is just an attrition war, disrupting each other. and having 2 B.W. in hand now it is becoming risky in a TES mirror...

vs ant Im sure i want to make -etw +pyro
and vs tes -etw +xantid.

I have come to lots of situations where I can not go of cause of silence fear but have get lots of extra bw so i can just wish for the seize.

so sure never in storm matchups -empty +seize

from my expericence.


btw after diner im going to write the report of the gp trial for parís where I condeced on top 4 to my friend (but won).

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vs ant Im sure i want to make -etw +pyro
and vs tes -etw +xantid.

I have come to lots of situations where I can not go of cause of silence fear but have get lots of extra bw so i can just wish for the seize.

so sure never in storm matchups -empty +seize

from my expericence.


btw after diner im going to write the report of the gp trial for parís where I condeced on top 4 to my friend (but won).

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I don't see that much value in Pyroblast vs ANT compared to Thoughtseize as their whole combo is Black/Red while the matchup being a race. Wishing for Thoughtseize in this matchup is insanly slow and mana intense to do against a deck that kills turn 3 if unmolested. In the TES mirror, I don't see the buzz about Silence. You sling your own Silence or Discard at opponents Silence/Business or use it to interrupt their combo and win. What happens if you drop your Xantid? They say "thank you!" can go for the kill unmolested! Xantid only interacts with 3-4(!) of their cards. Think about it.

So yesterday I played the GPT to Paris here in Madrid. But not being able to go I would just scoop to my friend if we play because he is going. But whatever.

I played the new TES version of Bryant.

1st round vs GW zenith
He has a one lander with zenith, 2 hierarch, forest, wasteland and 2 libraries. I just go off for empty before he is able to cast zenith with empty and he misplays when he draws an extra card with library cause he drew into the second sword having his own thalia on table so he lost 4 lives and was not able to cast both spells having paid 4 lives. So my goblin race won him the game. In this situation he also drew into a stoneforge but a infernal I put on top before going on for therapy was enough to get rid of his batterskull.

-empty -3 silence – ponder
+ thoughseize + tropical +chain of vapor +2 decay

G2 I he had a mother of runes 1st turn and I saw with gitaxian a zenith and a revoker which I therapy away cause I had a led. He had only one more land in hand so may be he was not able to cast zenith and I draw into win. Then I brainstormed and had to decide if I try to draw into an bussines next turn and combo or keep both chain of vapor and decay even one of them gets countered by mother of runes cause I just had 2 permanent mana sources. So I decide to go for the fast path and just get have the chain and next turn let go of. I win Nauseam and win.

2nd round vs Team America
This round I think I lost due a mistake in both games. I go for nauseam on 17 lives after some discard and disruption. I fail to get combo but Im at 4 lives vs his active shaman so that if I lose 2 more lives shaman can just kill me. The revealed cards miss one coloress mana to kill my opponent. There is like 20-30 cards still in my deck and there are exactly 13 cards which are win (Petals, Mox. Led, Dark ritual or Rite of flame) and 5 cards that kill me (infernal and burning) cause I had empty already revealed. I have 2 options: Keep going on the nauseam or brainstorm and try to get the extra mana which can end in this scenarios with nauseam:
- Draw a cost 1 card and stop going for the bs route directly
- Draw a cost 2 card and lose
- Draw a mana source and win
Or if I stop I have the following brainstorm plan:
- Draw into 1/3 leds in 3 cards and win
- Draw into 1/2 dark rituals and win
- Draw into 1/3 rite of flame and win
If this fails but I find one of the following and stopped at 4 and found one of the following 1/3 petals or 1/2 mox and fetch then brainstorm again and try to get one of the +2 mana sources. If all this fails I can just go to try to keep digging and try to get 2 rituals or a led. But this plan is bad.
So the thing is If I continue at 2 lives risking to lose on the spot or start the brainstorm plan.
I decided 5 vs 13 in 25 cards is a fair thing so I keep going. And a burning was revealed and I lost.

-Infernal – ponder
+ 2 pyroblast

G2 I was at 10 lives he had a 3/4 goyf in field and a shaman that he just summoned last turn. I have just brainstorm putting empty under burning wish. My hand is an extra land, 2 led and rite of flame. He has no blue card in hand, no way to draw into a fow or cast it. An envelope was already discarded. So any daze pierces are the only good cards apart from a nut brainstorm. This means I have to combo next turn. With him at 19 and I’m going to be in a so low life range I’m not able to go for infernal into ad nauseam so I will have to go into diminishing return. I think this can be bad cause I don’t have enough storm to kill him after the diminishing and so I don’t drop the leds which is usually a bad idea vs hymn and discard decks.
He rips the hymn to tourarch gets rid of my rite of flame and led and then I have to go for diminishing with just one or zero mana in pool. My diminishing is not so great and I lose.
Should I have played the leds? Or don’t worry about storm count and just have the ton of mana?
BTW this guy ended beating my friend in the finals.

3rd round vs agro loam
On the first game he starts and goes for mox diamond, land and chalice on one. So my half hand goes to the bin : ( and I manage to make a natural empty with 2 lands 2 moxes and a petal but a tarmo, punishing fire and ooze just destroy them before I can kill my opponent.

-3 silence -2 ponder
+tropical +2 decay +thoughseize + chain of vapor

I go for a fast empty the warrens turn 1 or 2 and he just loses somehow.

on the 3rd game he goes for chalice on 0 on the first turn and end of turn 2 I decay it and then on my turn 3 I go nauseam and win.

4th round vs goblins
He starts with lakey and I cabal a matron and get it (I don’t know if I should have called ringleader instead) but see the sharpshooter being my plan to drop empty the warrens turn 3. So my plan fails because It was his only goblin among with piledriver and so was going to drop it anyway after casting the pile. Then I draw a cantrip and see a 3rd dark ritual and the nauseam and go for it going to 1 live while he is tapped. And combo off. After this he shows me that if he had not taped out he could have tarfired me.
I think he does this to show me he has the card wich he is going to side but I knowing that he has it in his hand I can may be slow myself playing around, or may be not.

-3 silence –empty
+2 decay +chain +tropical

I have decent hand but not op. Just a burning and a led and some other good spells like a petal or so and a chain of vapor but low on lands. He goes mountain into lakey. I have no turn one action apart from gitaxing him to see 1 tin street, matron, cavern, and mountain so I just pass. In his turn I time walk myself chain of vaporing his goblin. I topdeck a brainstorm and then fetch to make gitaxian and see a second tin street to keep going I have to play a mox for later mana and so have black to therapy him both tin street. He draws a chieftain plays it and attacks with both goblins dropping the matron so he can search for piledriver to kill me. I draw into decay and now I have 2 options. Or do nothing going to 1 live on next turn if he doesn’t draw any relevant spell. Decay the chieftain losing a gemstone on the way so that I get only a few damages and be able to draw one more card. Or go for diminishing return and after resolving it having URB on pool. So I decide to go for the Russian roulette with a more than 70% chance of winning and so I if I fail I may be get rid of his piledriver if he don’t draw a second. So I draw into burning and led and win.
Time to eat, eggs with potatoes and bacon and back to work.

5th round vs Maveric
They put up the standing and I can draw myself into the top for the top with another guy of my group playing.

Top 8 vs GW Armageddon, suppression field, chalice agro deck.
He keeps a hand of seven thinking I play my usual deck (sneak attack) and then when I go for gitaxian see his shitty hand vs me I wonder and he starts cursing that he knew I was playing storm when he saw the gemstone and making the mistake to think I’m on sneak attack. Then I just go turn 2 nauseam and win on 4 lives.

-3 silence –ponder –warrens (because he sides in ghostly prison and ratchet bomb)
+tropical +2 decay +thoughseize + chain of vapor

I mull to 5 while he keeps his seven starting with land into noble hierarch. I gitaxian him and see 2 revokers, rip, cavern and a master of blades or something like that (2WW battle cry and makes 2 tokens) I therapy his 2 revokers and he starts complains that he has so much diferent hate cards and he just has to draw 2 of the same and also get therapy for both. Then turn 3 or 4 I go ant nauseam but I fail standing at 2 lives but cause he only has a noble so it’s no big problem. I pass the turn with 3 mana up in case he plays something like a quasali or trinisphere I can just bounce it. Then next turn untaping and so I combo in some maner I don’t remember.

Top 4 vs FOWless miracles with stoneforge (not even side board)
I’m going to concede to my friend anyway but before saying to him I want to just scoop I want to play the game out to know if he can beat with his no fow deck a storm. And so he plays in full energy.

He ended 1st on swiss so he starts and mulls to 5 searching for any kind of counterbalance, or spell pierce and so. I just go on and manage to make turn 4 a few goblins after making therapy for his spell pierce and then again to get rid of his hand good cards with the flashback.

-empty -ponder –mox –infernal
+2 decay +2pyroblast

This game he has some counter and makes a turn 3 counterbalance I pyroblast It, he flusters back and then with the mana of a land and a black mox I decay it. Next turn I can’t go of. But keep digging. I see his hand somehow and see a venser. So I have to force it. I manage to do so. But then when he is on top deck he draws counterbalance. I make therapy and he has nothing but the land on top of the counterbalance hinders me on comboing out. Then I wait. I cast a spell and on top of deck is a jace. So I can’t go for my silence plan into diminishing return with a top of artifact mana. He draws the jace brainstorm and from there on he has more counters and always a cost 2 card on top so I just loose.

3rd game I have the nut hand with turn 1 ad nauseam vs a deck without force of will. So I just go and fail on it ending on two lives. I gitaxian him with a mox mana and he has nothing relevant apart from a rest in peace, a counterbalance and a stoneforge. I keep a seven consisting of 1 gemstone, 1 fetch, 2 brainstorms, 1 decay, 1 burning, 1 silence and 1 rite of flame. He plays land and passes then I just go brainstorm, into ponder seeing having drawn the 2nd rite of flame. And I just set up with a ponder for in 2 turns being able to cast therapy, silence, two rite of flames who are waiting on top of my deck so I can make 10 mana with the 4 rites. And pass turn. He plays the counterbalance. And I just pass waiting for decay the balance. He can now cast the rest In peace or the stoneforge while I’m at 1 live. So obv as expected he goes into the stoneforge and I decay the balance. Then on my turn, therapy, silence, rite of flame. Past in flames and win.

Then I just conceded but he lost the finals. I told him that for paris its not a good idea to not play fows and after all today he played fows again XD


Thoughts after playing the deck:

I have still never used the grapeshot, not even in test games, but I would have won some games or do it easier having a pyroclams on the place of it when I used it.

I missed in this 2 days of events the ill gotten in my side deck but I understand not having it. May be changing one xantid for it is a good idea. But I don’t really know 3 xantids are so sexy.

Gitaxian + more therapy’s + goblins is nuts!

I think past in flames is necessary but I use it in too small amount of times (1 only) where I would have wished for ill gotens more. I’m not gonna cut it but thats just my thoughts.

Seeing this creatures matchups as a belcher mode matchups changed my mind completely and it gave me wins thanks to mulligan accordingly.

I failed in far too many Nauseams even at +15 lives at the event. Being able to still manage to win but only a few which where fast win without making some extra drawing cards, it’s just weird.


Deck is awesome love it!

Heya dude, great result! I'm glad you've been enjoying playing TES.

A few comments on your report (mainly touching on some of your questions)
I think in your match vs Team America you were definitely correct to try and keep going with AN, in that situation the maths was definitely on your side and I imagine even had you chosen to brainstorm you still could have bricked fairly easily.

Against decks that like to run a lot of discard (so both Thoughseize AND Hymn together) you should try to drop your rocks early, the exception being when you know he has engineered or deed or the like, then I would drop some but not all (if that makes sense).

Ad Nauseum can be fickle, sometimes you just don't get the cards you need. I did however like how you were happy to pass the turn and win the turn after when you knew they couldn't just kill you. That takes balls, but that's sometimes what playing combo is about!

I too have thought about grapeshot vs other sweepers, and my conclusion has generally been that grapeshot itself is far far less succeptable to counters than a Pyroclasm would be. With both situations your wish is the first counter target, but if they let it resolve, the grapeshot (as long as storm count is good) can't really be hard countered by the likes of daze/Peirce etc (assuming they hoped to stop you because of tight mana).

Hi, just wanted to add something about the grapeshot issue. Nothing new.

Grapeshot counts both as a board sweeper (or targeted removal) and win condition, where pyroclasm just have one role. I remember a game making some goblins tokens, attacking, and my opp freshly drawing a maelstrom pulse, and destroying my gobbs. Then I held a brainstorm as much as I could, and when facing lethal (tarmo and vendilion), I just casted brainstorm, drew burning wish, LED, land, and then I just went for the grapeshot kill, doing the exact 6 damage I needed.

Didn't have mana aviable to do anything else, so grapeshot gave me that game. Pyroclasm won't.

@Togores

I have a bad gut feeling about your boarding in the Team America matchups. I don't see how Pyroblast is better than the potential quick kill by having more Infernals, especially considering their Hymns. Pyroblast on the draw only gives you outs against their turn 1 Delver, putting you in the control seat you cannot fit in.

PS: drop your mana rocks ;)

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Hi, just wanted to add something about the grapeshot issue. Nothing new.

Grapeshot counts both as a board sweeper (or targeted removal) and win condition, where pyroclasm just have one role. I remember a game making some goblins tokens, attacking, and my opp freshly drawing a maelstrom pulse, and destroying my gobbs. Then I held a brainstorm as much as I could, and when facing lethal (tarmo and vendilion), I just casted brainstorm, drew burning wish, LED, land, and then I just went for the grapeshot kill, doing the exact 6 damage I needed.

Didn't have mana aviable to do anything else, so grapeshot gave me that game. Pyroclasm won't.

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This happens to me every tourney I play TES. Tokens don't get there, but Grapeshot does.
Believe me, after the third time this happens to you, you don't ever consider to drop Grapeshot anymore. :wink:

TES just missed the top 8 yesterday in the scg open. Dude must not follow the thread though. Running the duress cabal silence split with ill-gotten gains the second discard spell and the third decay In the board as well a the second chain of vapor. No trop only two swarm no blasts.


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Oh yeah and it was miss labeled as ANT, typical.


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Small update for the ones who care: The Heart of the Storm Series is confirmed to move to a bigger publisher!

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Great to hear! I must admit I enjoy your little stories and jokes as much as the actual reports, but they definitely come together as an absorbing read each time :)

Out of curiosity, how long have you played TES (I know you've played ANT too), and how long did you play for before you felt like you'd mastered (as much as one can use that term) the deck?

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Can I ask where they will be published?

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TES just missed the top 8 yesterday in the scg open. Dude must not follow the thread though. Running the duress cabal silence split with ill-gotten gains the second discard spell and the third decay In the board as well a the second chain of vapor. No trop only two swarm no blasts.

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Not sure. He might just disagree with the innovations. :wink:
The guys from Team Nijmegen in the Netherlands know about the innovations, but still play different stuff. Like 2x Dual, 4x Fetch, and 3x Wish + 2x Ad Nauseam. They also tend to run a different protection package and sideboard.

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Awesome! Where will you publish now? We wants to know... :wink:

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Great to hear! I must admit I enjoy your little stories and jokes as much as the actual reports, but they definitely come together as an absorbing read each time :)

Out of curiosity, how long have you played TES (I know you've played ANT too), and how long did you play for before you felt like you'd mastered (as much as one can use that term) the deck?

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Oh my! Wouldn't say I'd ever "master" it as brainfarts still occur at times :)

On a more serious note, I play the deck for about 2 years or so now and for newcomers, I expect a timeframe of about 6-9 months for learning, to pilot it on a decent level in tournaments.

I'm happy about every reader enjoying the reports and hope this stays true, even if the format of HotS will change from a pure tournament report to an article.

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Cam I ask where they will be published?

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There are 2 well-known websites interested in hosting the Series. I hope you understand, that I cannot tell anything till the article launches.

Editing the Report for the websites is annoying as fuck.

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When? When?!?! WHEN!!!!????