[Deck] Manaless Ichorid

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Originally Posted by Hollywood

How do you guys feel about going with three Faerie Macabre, three Leyline of Sanctity and two Mindbreak Trap in the board?

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Do you still run one Macabre main? I tend to want maxed out hate against grave decks especially since reanimator is very prevalent in my meta. I often feel like that match up is super tough when they get a good hand. Im good on the two mindbreaks (other blue cards strengthen only having two mindbreaks or vice versa). My only question is why not max out on leylines? For reference my board is 4 macabre, four mindbreak, four shoal and three contagion. Probably would cut down on the traps just dont know what else to replace them with.

I once tried 4 leyline 3 traps (not sure if i had faeries, too), and it worked decently,although i didn't test it for long (i had a tournament where i expected ant, and i had nothing but this to sleeve up, so i had to overload on storm hate). I've never liked Shoal in the storm matchup, it's too conditional for the double counter plan, so i guess having trap in addition to Leyline might be worth it for the leyline + counter plan,too. I'm not sure about the 3/2 split, maybe 4/2 or 3/3 would be better, i like helping maths, when i can.

@slave: i play it the same way. I'm quite careful when it comes to side in Shoal, i try to avoid doing it, if it's not completely needed.

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Originally Posted by jimmythegreek

Do you still run one Macabre main? I tend to want maxed out hate against grave decks especially since reanimator is very prevalent in my meta. I often feel like that match up is super tough when they get a good hand. Im good on the two mindbreaks (other blue cards strengthen only having two mindbreaks or vice versa). My only question is why not max out on leylines? For reference my board is 4 macabre, four mindbreak, four shoal and three contagion. Probably would cut down on the traps just dont know what else to replace them with.

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I run two main.

I was thinking three total seems acceptable in a meta without tons of Reanimator and such. I was curious to see how you all mix it up.

Another legacy night at the local, another group sigh when I bring dredge. :laugh:

6 matches, went 4-1-1. Didn't keep much in the way of notes, although I did write down my counters.
I beat LED-Dredge, UW Blade, UW Miracles & some WUG exalted-aggro pile of shame. Lost to Reanimator quickly.
Drew to D&T > Slow player played slow. Time called. If he played quicker early on, he had me beat with a resolved RiP game3.....

I countered;
3 RiP, 1 Cage, 1 SFM, 1 Jitte. Not much huh?
Combined with not getting a swag of blue in my 7, some of the counters I did play, got countered.

Impressions;
Chuffed to beat LED-Dredge c/o Faerie & Trap, that deck usually smashes me.
Contagion was okay for stopping SFM land Batterskull early.
I spoke with the Reanimator player after > seems we both agree that RiP has made white decks a lot more viable, I seem to be facing a glut of them recently.
We both sadface.

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Originally Posted by jimmythegreek

... I'm good on the two mindbreaks (other blue cards strengthen only having two mindbreaks or vice versa). My only question is why not max out on leylines? For reference my board is 4 macabre, four mindbreak, four shoal and three contagion. Probably would cut down on the traps just dont know what else to replace them with.

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Originally Posted by Thrasher

I once tried 4 leyline 3 traps (not sure if i had faeries, too), and it worked decently,although i didn't test it for long (i had a tournament where i expected ant, and i had nothing but this to sleeve up, so i had to overload on storm hate). I've never liked Shoal in the storm matchup, it's too conditional for the double counter plan, so i guess having trap in addition to Leyline might be worth it for the leyline + counter plan,too. I'm not sure about the 3/2 split, maybe 4/2 or 3/3 would be better, i like helping maths, when i can.

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I like Trap, but they're too narrow to be a 4-of in the side I think.

When my LoS turn up in the post I'm gonna be running 4 in the side for a few weeks to try and see how effective they are in non-storm matchups. This to me is the bigger reason to run them, the flexibility of the card, to prevent griefer/discard decks > like D&T that just stop us dredging for the first few turns before they power out a batterskull etc.
I think you mentioned something about that a while back Hollywood.... how have you found LoS in these sort of discard-heavy matches?

My current side, 4 Shoal, 4 Faerie, 3 Trap, 4 Contagion.
I don't have much reanimator in my meta, so Faerie is all in the side. Until recently, I usually experience a lot of DRS. A lot of RiP lately > the blue side has been an absolute rockstar.
RE: Los, I'd like to include all 4 when I get them > but so far I'm not sure what to cut. Trap is quite narrow, but effective. Contagion has always been one of my fave side cards in many matchups, but given we're running Probe, Phants & Wraith > is shutting down DRS still necessary in the first place?

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Originally Posted by slave

WUG exalted-aggro pile of shame.

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This made me laugh. :tongue:

Nice result!
Honestly, i would not side Contagion versus SFM-based decks. I actually side it in only vs goblins and elves. I always feel like in those matchup i want to take the token route and just overwhelm whatever comes at me.Do you often side contagion in in this matchup? Do you find it effective?

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Originally Posted by Thrasher

Honestly, i would not side Contagion versus SFM-based decks. I actually side it in only vs goblins and elves. I always feel like in those matchup i want to take the token route and just overwhelm whatever comes at me.Do you often side contagion in in this matchup? Do you find it effective?

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Cheers.
Depends > I probably use Contagion more than I should, I use it to target my own creatures on occasion too. You could be right, maybe a misplay???

I've typically included Contagion mainly for DRS.
The last month I've been facing a heap of decks with SFM. I have no idea why, could just be freak chance? I'm just getting tired of having turn3 Batterskull, coupled with Swords to Plowshares, so I've occasionally been using contagion to kill SFM to give me more time. I typically find SFM players to be greedy against us, often going for batterskull as they know we have few options for stopping it hitting the field, but since they're typically creature light, killing one can be favourable so we can just attack and kill their Jace/Elspeth or in the occasion of D&T, Liliana.
Opinions on this line of play?

I really like Leyline of Sanctity not just against discard-heavy metas, but as a dynamic utility against so many other cards that spell trouble.

My sideboard at the moment *is* this:

4x Leyline of Sanctity
4x Disrupting Shoal
4x Contagion
2x Faerie Macabre
1x Force of Will

However, I'm currently looking at something like this:

4x Disrupting Shoal
4x Contagion
3x Leyline of Sanctity
2x Mindbreak Trap
1x Force of Will
1x Faerie Macabre

(Or going with -1 Contagion, +1 LoS there.)

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Originally Posted by slave

Cheers.
Depends > I probably use Contagion more than I should, I use it to target my own creatures on occasion too. You could be right, maybe a misplay???

I've typically included Contagion mainly for DRS.
The last month I've been facing a heap of decks with SFM. I have no idea why, could just be freak chance? I'm just getting tired of having turn3 Batterskull, coupled with Swords to Plowshares, so I've occasionally been using contagion to kill SFM to give me more time. I typically find SFM players to be greedy against us, often going for batterskull as they know we have few options for stopping it hitting the field, but since they're typically creature light, killing one can be favourable so we can just attack and kill their Jace/Elspeth or in the occasion of D&T, Liliana.
Opinions on this line of play?

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Yeah, SFM is one of the most common threats. I see your point, i don't think it's a bad strategy, it's just a different way of playing the matchup. I wouldn't side it in vs d&t, though, there's thalia who makes contagion a dead card...that's if she doesn't get Fow'd/Shoal'd. Using contagion on our own creatures is pretty good vs Swords to Plowshares, it makes profit with Bridge from Below. It's funny how some people say this deck is brainless, but even a slight difference in sideboarding changes the gameplan.

As for the amount of SFM's, i haven't seen SFM's presence increasing, here. I haven't attended the latest big tournament, though, and it was the one after the GP, so i guess something might have changed. I'll see how the next one goes. Probably i'll have to stick with my old list for it, after getting DRS decks in 50% of my matchups in my area i don't feel safe with less than 12 answers which don't timewalk.

Huge tournament tomorrow. I'll keep you guys updated.

For me too. I'll post a report afterwards.

Should be a sizable turnout tomorrow.

Expect a report to follow, as well.

Hello boys and girls next weekend I have a tilt of the league rule of my zone suppose that we will be between 100 or 130 it will play this list:

[4x] Golgari Grave-Troll
[4x] Stinkweed Imp
[4x] Golgari Thug
[4x] Ichorid
[4x] Nether Shadow
[4x] Narcomoeba
[4x] Bridge from Below
[4x] Cabal Therapy
[4x] Dread Return
[4x] Phantasmagorian
[4x] Street Wraith
[4x] Gitaxian Probe
[4x] Force of Will
[3x] Shambling Shell
[3x] Whirlpool Rider
[2x] Flayer of the Hatebound


Since podeis to see and put the fourth fow of main and a fayer mas. It is to be able to have some kind of mas of control that niunca comes badly jeje and the fayer to curve before for that it seems to me that one is too just as to be able to curve fast.

The this sideboad:


[4x] Disrupting Shoal
[4x] Contagion
[4x] Leyline of the void/faeire macare. In this I doubt
[3x] trap


That seems to you?

Nothing to report here today, fellas. Was a short day at 1-2 drop having played against Leyline of the Void twice.

Although I did manage to win the Vintage side event and a couple of City of Traitors, which was nice.

It didn't go as planned yesterday. Ended 3-3
R1 SneakShow
G1 fast win for him.
G2 shred his hand and he didn't find a creature in time.
G3 I guess his keep was a little shady. He didn't find a Creature in time.
1-0 (2-1)

R2 UWRDelver
G1 fast win on my side.
G2 fast win on my side thanks to T2 FoW on SFM. The WTF-face on my opponent was hilarious!
2-0 (4-1)

R3 TinFins
G1 combo for him on T3
G2 long game with me eventually taking the game.
G3 again a long drawn out game with us going in time en he finally finding a shallow grave to start the combo.
2-1 (5-3)

R4 Elves
G1 easy win after double Cabal naming DRS & NO
G2 combo for him on T3
G3 long game with me eventually grinding him to a pulp
3-1 (7-4)

R5 Jund
G1 T1 Thoughtseize, T2 Thoughtseize, T3 Ooze with G open. Not winning this one!
G2 open with LoS, to no avail. He opens with T1 Cage, T2 DRS, T3 Extirpate, T4 Ooze. Yeah, not winning this one either!
3-2 (7-6)

R6 BUGDelver
G1 T1 Delver, T2 DRS, T3 DRS and the few dredges I could do gave me no dredgers...
G2 more of the same. I try to FoW a DRS, but he FoW's back. Contagion on a DRS the eats a Pierce. DRS 2 joins the battle and that is my deathsentence.
3-3 (7-8)

Long time lurker, first time post. Just wanted to share. I used Hollywood's list at my local big legacy on saturday. I did scrub out after the 3rd round but not after defeating a blue white control deck 2-0. His first rest in piece met FOW and his following turn SFM met disrupting shoal. His life total met a wall of ichorids and zombie tokens. It was most satisfying. Unfortunately my next couple rounds were greeted with Turn 1 DRS go, with no hate in hand or enough gas. The deck was an absolute blast and I will be piloting it for a long time.

Sorry to hear you guys had a hard time of it.

Holly, which decks were running LotV?

Sucks about Jund > I hate that matchup. They just have so many good options for screwing us in the main, & in the side.

Yes indeed! It was the only MU that I felt really unable to do anything relevant that could change the outcome of the match. Oh well, I guess we have to accept that there are decks out there that are hellish MU for us and thus almost unwinnable.

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Originally Posted by slave

Sorry to hear you guys had a hard time of it.

Holly, which decks were running LotV?

Sucks about Jund > I hate that matchup. They just have so many good options for screwing us in the main, & in the side.

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Two Dredge decks.

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Originally Posted by Michael Keller

Two Dredge decks.

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OO00oooo.....:eek: Yeah that matchup is uphill regardless of LotV.

I play the LED- variant on occasion, but I favour manaless as discard/counter doesn't ruin us as much. That and I tend to win more with manaless for some reason (maybe I just suck with led-dredge :rolleyes:)
Most times I've faced/played LED-dredge, they don't seem to run gravehate, just things like Ingot Chewer et al, Chain of Vapor etc. with Elesh Norn in the side.
Is LotV even that good in LED-Dredge?
I mean, besides Reanimator or the mirror (which isn't too common I would think), there can't be many decks using the grave they're afraid of.... am I missing something? Why wouldn't they just run Faerie?

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Originally Posted by slave

OO00oooo.....:eek: Yeah that matchup is uphill regardless of LotV.

I play the LED- variant on occasion, but I favour manaless as discard/counter doesn't ruin us as much. That and I tend to win more with manaless for some reason (maybe I just suck with led-dredge :rolleyes:)
Most times I've faced/played LED-dredge, they don't seem to run gravehate, just things like Ingot Chewer et al, Chain of Vapor etc. with Elesh Norn in the side.
Is LotV even that good in LED-Dredge?
I mean, besides Reanimator or the mirror (which isn't too common I would think), there can't be many decks using the grave they're afraid of.... am I missing something? Why wouldn't they just run Faerie?

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Because lazy peolple are simply netdecking and the standard-olschool-quadlazer-list plays LotV as a 4-off:wink: ... but maybe it was a meta-choice? :eyebrow: