[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

@Tom4ik: I'm currently trying out Sun Titan (I really don't know if I like him or not) but as somebody suggested below I will probably put another 6 drop in there (likely Grave Titan). Thanks for your reply!

@Ralf: I partly agree with your opinion on Sigarda, still she is crazy strong even without equipments, also i can get her with Zenith. But I think i will put Thrun back in there somehow. Thragtusk got lost somehow on the way building this deck but i agree that it is a very strong addition. I think i will put Pontiff MD for Bone Shredder, but i think i will keep him SB as an additional creature removal.
I will think about the rest of you suggestions. But and post an updated list in the near future. Than you too for your reply!

@Arianrhod: The bayou is in there, still i will only run 3 duals and a karakas in the beginning. Partly because of budget reasons party bc wasteland. I'm not completly sold on sidsi considering i don't have any blue mana source (apart from drs) and she could be a dead draw if i can't zenith or pod her.
The reason i have two intents is, i can run maybe (thinking about it) only 2 pods and one senseis and stiff have effectively 4 pods and 3 senseis (if that makes any sense). Also i can fetch other possible answers i need with it. It never felt weak really. Thanks for your reply!


btw. what do you all think about Ruinous Path from BFZ as a sideboard answer for planeswalkers? (currently my strangeroot geist servers this kind of purpose)

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Originally Posted by Dadadot

@Tom4ik: I'm currently trying out Sun Titan (I really don't know if I like him or not) but as somebody suggested below I will probably put another 6 drop in there (likely Grave Titan). Thanks for your reply!

@Ralf: I partly agree with your opinion on Sigarda, still she is crazy strong even without equipments, also i can get her with Zenith. But I think i will put Thrun back in there somehow. Thragtusk got lost somehow on the way building this deck but i agree that it is a very strong addition. I think i will put Pontiff MD for Bone Shredder, but i think i will keep him SB as an additional creature removal.
I will think about the rest of you suggestions. But and post an updated list in the near future. Than you too for your reply!

@Arianrhod: The bayou is in there, still i will only run 3 duals and a karakas in the beginning. Partly because of budget reasons party bc wasteland. I'm not completly sold on sidsi considering i don't have any blue mana source (apart from drs) and she could be a dead draw if i can't zenith or pod her.
The reason i have two intents is, i can run maybe (thinking about it) only 2 pods and one senseis and stiff have effectively 4 pods and 3 senseis (if that makes any sense). Also i can fetch other possible answers i need with it. It never felt weak really. Thanks for your reply!


btw. what do you all think about Ruinous Path from BFZ as a sideboard answer for planeswalkers? (currently my strangeroot geist servers this kind of purpose)

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Sidisi, Undead Vizier

You're thinking of the wrong Sidisi.

Went 3-0-1 at redcaps weekly with reanimator-fit
2-0 omni
2-1 jeskai stoneblade
2-0 Jund
ID with punishing maverick
list:
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Baleful Strix
3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
2 Thragtusk
1 Grave Titan
1 Aetherling
1 Elesh Norn
1 Griselbrand

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Reanimate
2 Show and Tell
1 Life from the Loam
1 Deep Analysis
1 Maelstrom Pulse

4 Brainstorm
4 Entomb

2 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare

4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
1 Wasteland
3 Bayou
2 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Island

//sb
4 True-Name Nemesis
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Ravens Crime
2 Krosan Grip
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Flusterstorm
2 Duress
1 Glen Elendra Archmage

Deck surpassed my expectations and was a ton of fun to pilot, not too sold on the true name back up plan, but cant think of anything better so if anyone has suggestions let me know
elesh was great in the maindeck and was more relevant then iona would have been, having 8 therapies maindeck with entomb make the combo matchup alot easier g1

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Still it seems kinda slow for the purpose i am using the intents for. Could you give me an example or two for how i could use her. I am still very new to magic and i don't see all the possibilities. Thanks in advance.

Sorry, I meant my list was roughly the same I have been playing. Its a bug control variant with the Vet/Therapy engine. Not the junk pod version.

http://media.wizards.com/2015/bfz_8a...TclURjhCMu.png

Pretty interesting curve topper. Get back something important, death effect if you have a loose Therapy and need something else more important than a 5/4.

Can't be looped but I don't think that's bad. Whether it's better than a Titan... remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by Firepaw3

Deck surpassed my expectations and was a ton of fun to pilot, not too sold on the true name back up plan, but cant think of anything better so if anyone has suggestions let me know
elesh was great in the maindeck and was more relevant then iona would have been, having 8 therapies maindeck with entomb make the combo matchup alot easier g1

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I guess it is up to what you are trying to do.
You could easily replace the graveyard package with some natural order (progenitus to name it) if you want to stay on the dark (combo) side.
If not, I cannot see anything stronger than TNN. The main issue being that once you become popular, opponents will start putting their REB postboard.

You could always side into a helm/leyline kill not sure how bad that would muck up the board and which matches youd loose ground in but it could help versus some faster combo decks.

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Originally Posted by maharis

http://media.wizards.com/2015/bfz_8a...TclURjhCMu.png

Pretty interesting curve topper. Get back something important, death effect if you have a loose Therapy and need something else more important than a 5/4.

Can't be looped but I don't think that's bad. Whether it's better than a Titan... remains to be seen.

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It's a 5/4 for 4GG. Your opponents are playing 5/5s for B

What are you going to get back? An explorer? Sun Titan already gets deeds back, and they go directly to the battlefield.

Against 5/5 for B you get whatever, then trade with it and get something else. Deed isn't helping you there anyway. Those games are probably grindy so kill your guy regrow 2 isn't bad.

There's also blowout opportunity in combo games that go long like grab force, therapy you, grab blue card.

I think this is a possible card in pod builds depending on what else you have going on. This also gets rhino, glen elendra, 4cc walkers, and non-permanents that sun titan doesn't.

Btw death&exile is a may trigger so you can loop these with recurring nightmare and draw your GY.

Very few 6 drops will actually change much with this deck. Any 6 drop you play will be powerful so if you like this card play it. I personally would not as I think its worse than other options but to each their own.

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Originally Posted by Philipp2293

@Pettdan: As stupid as it sounds, but between Top, Rector and Leap I want to see a Recycle in the list, could make Mentor even more brutal ;)

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Thanks for the suggestion, Philipp, and sorry for the late response! Recycle seems powerful but clunky, I was thinking of trying to remove some clunky cards (Rector, Nightmare and possibly the Glen Elendras but they fit so well) for cheap removal to help games go longer.

The list didn't work out that well, but I'll play some more games because it seems interesting and I want to see if Evolutionary Leap can do broken things. I didn't draw a single Leap in the four games I played, so I don't know how good or bad it is yet. What I would very much want the deck to do is the following. This is the game plan, I'm aware that the games may not play out like this but I need to have a vision for what the deck is trying to do and why it should have Evolutionary Leap in it.

- Vs combo (these are the bad matchups, of course), turn 1-2 Thoughtseize and/or Cabal Therapy to slow them down. Deathrite or GSZ for Arbor to accelerate. Then turn 3 [or more likely turn 4] Evolutionary Leap ramping 1-2 Veteran Explorers and allowing you to put Glen Elendra into play the same turn. Go ahead combo player, enjoy your basics! Sideboarding out Stoneforges and a Mentor should help this plan. Keep one Mentor in as a quick finisher. Board in extra Thoughtseizes, Surgicals and a Glen Elendra.

- Vs fair decks, turn 1-2 Deathrite/StP/Thoughtseize/Therapy/Abrupt Decay slowing them down. Turn 3-4 play the Leap and chain an explorer or two, GSZ for Explorer to start with if needed or fetch for Arbor, chain into a Mystic, play it and get Batterskull. When the opponent tries to kill Stoneforge it is sacrificed chaining into a Mentor. Notice that you spent zero card resources doing this, actually ending up with the same amount of cards in hand and a permanent in play (Leap) plus probably a few extra basics for both players. Turn 4 sees you playing the Mentor and producing multiple monk tokens with two SDT's or instead you play the Batterskull. And then you play a second creatures, starting a new leap chain. A creature with persist offers pretty good card advantage next to a Leap.

I did find one interesting combination that may be worth considering next to Evolutionary Leap. Too cute perhaps but still. It's Skaab Ruinator. Once you get going with Evolutionary Leap you should be able to put a couple of creatures into your graveyard. And when you do, you can play the Ruinator. If the opponent tries to StP it, then you sacrifice it with the Leap, replaying it next turn probably and drawing a card creating card advantage in the process. If the opponent decays it, same story. They'll have to decay the Leap instead, which leaves you with the Ruinator in play. It's probably not good enough, but I could see myself trying it as a one of in a BUG Leap Fit list.

Good morning all!
So I am relatively new to legacy, and am super new to Nic Fit, I've been playing Magic on and off forever:Ice Age and had just recently gotten into Legacy due to my qualifications to a few SCG invitationals. (Both of which I played MUD, which I would also suggest as a fun and powerful deck, only problem is that it doesn't really segway into any other Legacy decks) but I wanted to write this short essay for people getting into legacy. I have been into EDH for a few years on MODO and realized thanks to my EDH collection building Nic Fit is a great budget deck to get into Legacy online.
I am a standard player mostly but the recent state of standard had left me wanting more and thanks to Magic Onlines wacky market it's cheaper to play Legacy then it is to get into Modern. Pernicious Deed is at a low low cost of 8.5 tix, Deathrite Shaman, Veteran Explorer, and Green Sun's Zenith are all super cheap Titans are not expensive and the deck plays tons of basics, though if you're like me you may have one of each dual land for EDH (though I have more than that) and a few fetchs and don't mind not playing blue then Nic Fit is a relatively easy deck to build on a low budget, a good midrange style deck for people who like to do powerful things that make their opponents wonder how they're losing to a Titan in Legacy. (apparently if you like blue there's a fit for you too!)

The original primer mentions the deck takes some getting used to and that's true in a sense, I've been on the deck for about a week and my affinity for big midrange decks made me feel right at home with it. Nic Fit feels kinda like a standard deck but the cards are so powerful it can stand up to noncombo decks very well, I've had great success vs Delver decks and other midrange decks; I have also been destroyed by omni-show, and Belcher. After tinkering with the board and messing around with my base deck and doing 1v1 to relative success today I will be playing in my first Legacy daily (provided it fires) with my own brand of Abzan Nic Fit and I'm pretty excited about it.

I want to write a tournament report for it but it will only be three rounds so I am sure it'll be a bit less then enthralling, but to start I will leave you with the list I had entered into the event. It is still a work in progress but this forum has certainly helped me come a long way with it as I started the list without the forum and playing cards like lingering souls, Satyr Wayfinder the not so budget friendly Liliana of the veil and a whole three Recurring Nightmares though one technology I naturally started with and am sticking with for now is the 2 maindeck Carpet of Flowers, I actually think it's an awesome way to ramp into my sweet planeswalkers and the deck is naturally pretty decent against decks that don't play blue.

1 Recurring Nightmare
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Eternal Witness
2 Bayou
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Oblivion Ring
2 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
3 Forest
3 Swamp
1 Phyrexian Tower
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Windswept Heath
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
2 Plains
3 Marsh Flats
1 Sylvan Library
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Path to Exile
1 Grave Titan
3 Siege Rhino
1 Sun Titan
2 Academy Rector
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Path to Exile
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Karn Liberated
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Sideboard
3 Leyline of the Void
2 Choke
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Krosan Grip
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Pithing Needle
1 Leyline of Sanctity

Also sorry I have no idea how to do that whole linking thing so you can hover over cards to see what they are I am not only new to legacy but this is my second or third post ever on forums.

R1 Unkoman
M1
M2 Keep a no land hand with double Veteran, Ooze, Top, Rector. Thoughtseize right off the bat.
miss four drop steps in a row only to on the fifth draw step draw a non green source, I guess I deserve this. I therapy only to be met by spell pierce.
Turn 6 I cast veteran explorer after drawing a fetch and gathering a bayou.
he let's explorer resolve but force of wills Therapy. Best outcome I could have asked for. He plays True-name and batterskull feels pretty awful
The game went on much longer than it ever should have.

g2 kept another sketch hand one land, with a Veteran. this match has made me feel like the deck needs more than 22 lands but up until this match I've had no problems

After playing the tightest three games of my life I emerged victorious against Esper blade. although at one point in g3 I had miss tracked the cards in his hand and Therapy him calling Force when he had a truename in hand that I knew about. all three games came down to Veteran Explorer and Pernicious Deed being ridiculous.

R2 Oriver001
UW Mystic blade deck
Lost in two, the match felt pretty bad, I am not entirely sure what I was supposed to do here, but I've learned two polar things, Veteran is terrible vs Swords to plowshares, and it happens to be pretty decent at pressuring Jace TMS.
I couldn't get out from under the card advantage his deck was providing him. I could probably have taken a game but like I said I am still new to the deck, I suppose I would need to test against it more. G1 the maindeck blossoms was pretty decent but eventually I had to use deed to clear the board causing me to stumble on mana.
Thrun and my own equipment would have probably been very benificial in this matchup.

R3 Nemureke
I keep an awkward hand of Catacombs, Savannah, Plains, Maelstrom Pulse, Grave Titan, Decay, Siege Rhino.
He t1 ritual into top hymn and it hits my pulse and savannah it did not feel good for sure. mid game starts to feel terrible as I stand on three lands and all 4+drops in hand. I never draw past a third land, He swords my Veteran and I die.

g2 I keep a 2 therapy Veteran hand, getting rid of his three spells leaving him with only lands.

Not gonna lie G3 my girl made me lunch and I just stopped paying attention and made like 18 misplays.
I am running short on time but that's it I went 1-2 so I could have certainly done better, I could use any help provided.

Hello,

I played a tournament (30 players) saturday with Rea Fit until semi finals.


Round 1: Mono Green Aggro Won 2/1

Lost the toss

G1: Not much to say here. I kept a heavy ramp hand (2 explorers) without any relevant business spell hoping to find some. Veteran died twice, I drew perni to take care of a really powerful board and got to resolve a Griselbrand against a creature deck. Easy win.

G2: Dryad Militant T1 followed by a T2 Root Maze. I'm stuck with 2 fetchs and we were ready for G3.

G3: Veteran into deed, another Deed and a Grave Titan to close another easy game.


Round 2: Dredge Won 2/1

Lost the toss

G1: My oppo led with Coliseum. Yeah Dredge -> Oops I got to entomb + reanimate Elesh before getting hit by Cabal Therapy -> G2

G2: Black leyline T0 and I couldn't find any solutions (be it krosan or pulse) -> G3

G3: Black leyline T0 again (without any mulligan) but I have a T3 grip into a T4 entomb + reanimate. Elesh for the win !


Round 3: 4 color Delver Won (2/1)

Lost the toss

G1: Delver was ready to go crazy but a S&T into Thragtusk followed by 2 reanimate on the ever dying Thragtusk made my oppo scoop.

G2: Triple Delver put me in a hard spot. Decayed 1 and managed to land a Grave Titan via a successful S&T. Few miscalculations later (because I didn't attack once with Titan) and a missed trigger on zombie tokens, we headed towards G3.

G3: I'm stuck on 1 land + 3 veteran. My oppo went full tap T2 for double delver (T1 Delver, T2 Ponder + Delver) seeing that I'm stuck on 1 land. T3, I drew fetch -> entomb therapy. T4 I have no other choice than S&T into Titan if not I'm dead. It resolved and I was able to race the double delvers.


Round 4: Omni Won (2/1)

Won the toss

G1: Veteran followed by CT into BS -> hit 2 + flashback hitting 2 S&T. Wow valueeeeeee. I'm able to close the deal right after his first DTT. Phewwww.

G2: I got over confident when my oppo went S&T putting Omni and me Iona but he had a heavy board with Pyro + 7 tokens. Here again, I didn't see that attacking with Iona could give me the win in 2 turns. I chose to play it safe leaving Iona as a blocker. Eventually he drew Emmy like a champ the turn before my lethal strike.

G3: Nasty hand with 2 TS + 2 entomb + 1 reanimate. I chose to go for a T3 entomb + reanimate on Iona after ripping his hands. She got me there !


Round 5: Dunno Draw

We chose to lock the top 8 as we were both at 4/0.
It happened that I was first at the tie breakers !


Quarter Finals: Dredge Won 2/1

I got to start against the same player as G2.

G1: T2 Elesh for a quick scoop

G2: Black leyline T0 (AGAIN !!!! FFS) into dredge half my deck on T1 -> fast scoop

G3: Black leyline T0 (insane probabilities here as he always had T0 black leyline in every G2 & G3 without mulligans). At one point, I managed to destroy the leyline and entombed an Elesh but I'm facing a 15/15 GGT. I'm completely out but a BS revealed = reanimate, snapcaster, reanimate (being at 15 lifes). Eventually, I chumped block several turns (7 or 8) and decked him. DECKED HIM !!! Hell yeah, unbelievable.

Semi Final: D&T Lost 2/0

G1: I reanimated Grisel T2 and drew 7 cards right away (because my opponent's first land was a plain). He had to have a karakas in hand. We traded blow for blow until a point where my board was:
- 1 Baleful strix
- 1 liliana
- 1 Veteran
- 1 Grave titan + 6 tokens

He is dead on my next turn but I'm dead on his because he has just landed another flyer. He has no cards in hand. I waste his karakas and S&T into Grisel. So basically, if he draws another karakas, I'm dead. Topdeck. Karakas...

G2: I kept somewhat a shaky hand that could become great to very great (2 island 2 brainstorm and a bunch of green spells). Eventually, the 2 BS bricked hard and I was about to come back in the game the turn after he had lethal on board. Too bad.

Here is the list I used:

1 Misty Rainforest
1 Tropical Island
1 Wasteland
2 Island
2 Polluted Delta
2 Swamp
2 Underground Sea
3 Bayou
3 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Grave Titan
1 Griselbrand
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Ætherling
2 Thragtusk
3 Baleful Strix
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Recurring Nightmare
2 Pernicious Deed
4 Brainstorm
4 Entomb
1 Careful Study
1 Life from the Loam
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Show and Tell
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Reanimate

SB: 1 Raven's Crime
SB: 1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
SB: 1 Glen Elendra Archmage
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Duress
SB: 4 True-Name Nemesis

Something new to help out with the pesky 12 Posts decks.

http://mythicspoiler.com/bfz/cards/crumbletodust.jpg

I am getting closer and closer to wanting to throw a red source into my BUG deck. Between Slaughter games and now anti-post tech (which is surprisingly relevant in my meta all of a sudden...) I am getting there.

@inwaking - card links are [ cards ] with no spaces and then after the list [ /cards ] no spaces.

Definitely a relevant one. The RRR cost in Scapewish was always rough (because of Burning Wish). 3R is a much more palatable cost, and not being Blue Blast-able is a cherry on top.

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Originally Posted by Tom4ik

I am getting closer and closer to wanting to throw a red source into my BUG deck. Between Slaughter games and now anti-post tech (which is surprisingly relevant in my meta all of a sudden...) I am getting there.

@inwaking - card links are [ cards ] with no spaces and then after the list [ /cards ] no spaces.

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Yep, I don't have a red dual land, so I'm hoping a single Cinder Glade or Smoldering Marsh will have to do. But yeah, I've wanted Slaughter Games in my Junk SB for awhile, this new card gives me even more of a reason to splash a red. I'm testing out Gitaxian Probe with no blue sources since I can offset the life loss with Rhino and/or Tusk. This would put me on a 5 color "Junk" deck :P

When I played the punishing fire version of this deck I ran 4 probes without a single blue source. I play probe in my bug deck now and pay mana for it very rarely so I think you are fine. Especially with multiple rhinos. I approve of probe in most nic fit decks. We have limited interaction in the first few turns and maximizing that is important. That said it does take up space which better cards could fill so YMMV.